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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1295034607918776321?s=21

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I agree that Democrat cities did activate this mental illness. Just look at Trump Tower in New York City.

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maybe he can lead by example and leave DC by resigning

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Polls are apparently getting close again as men are breaking hard for Trump since June.

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You're talking about that CNN Biden+4 one? CNN has been a bit all over the place but yeah polls tightening up as always. I'd guess it's still a bit higher than that (like maybe Biden +6-8) but it was rather unrealistic to think he'd just hold that +11 lead the whole way through.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Polls are apparently getting close again as men are breaking hard for Trump since June.

Really? I just checked 538 and while it is tighter, Trump is still roughly -13 net approval rating.

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The needle was always going to move in Trump's favor for men once the woman VP was official, regardless of who was selected.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Really? I just checked 538 and while it is tighter, Trump is still roughly -13 net approval rating.

538 has Biden+8 on average (51-43).

It was like 8.6 earlier in the day but that CNN poll knocked it down a bit. I do think you'll see tightening in the polls and either way you just throw the CNN poll on the pile so I'm not here to "well actually" it but fwiw the other two polls today (both by higher rated pollsters) are Biden+9 and Biden+10. and Friday also had 3 double digit Biden leads. Thursday had a ton clumped at 7-9 which is what I suspect where it's at but the conventions this week and next are going to have it jump all around so =/

Probably won't have it regress back to normal until after Labor Day. We'll see it spike for Biden with the DNC then "oh my god panic" with the RNC first.

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https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1295145316149321729?s=21

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1295145316149321729?s=21

Truman? What values would those be? Using nuclear weapons because the ends justify the means?

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https://twitter.com/hctrudo/status/1295129666689421312?s=21

Apparently this is actually a former GOP congressman

Gonna go with Charlie Dent for my prediction

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Are there actually voters who care about an R backing a D in 2020?

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I think there are potential normally-GOP voters who have gotten to not voting for Trump but are having a hard time taking the next logical step of voting for Biden. Other Republicans building a permission structure can help them get there (though I doubt there are many people literally saying well, I was waiting for John Kasich to weigh in on this)

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I think there are potential normally-GOP voters who have gotten to not voting for Trump but are having a hard time taking the next logical step of voting for Biden. Other Republicans building a permission structure can help them get there (though I doubt there are many people literally saying well, I was waiting for John Kasich to weigh in on this)

These people dont fucking exist dude.


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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1295330815828688897?s=21

This man needs so much mental health help
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It is what it is.

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I feel like instead of teaching the narcissism chapter in psychology from now on they will just show Trump interviews and tweets.

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So Rush Limbaugh, a man on his fourth marriage who supports a President who literally cheated on his wife with a porn star who he paid hush money to, called Kamala Harris a "ho".

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Do we really need to talk about shit Rush says? His bar cannot get lower at this point.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/hctrudo/status/1295129666689421312?s=21

Apparently this is actually a former GOP congressman

Gonna go with Charlie Dent for my prediction

Given the mention of Texas my first instinct is Hutchison but if "congressman" != "senator" then that's out the window

Not sure why we care what some former Republican congressman thinks. At this point if the many other former politicians haven't convinced people Trump's a problem, then I'm not sure who will.

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So Nancy Pelosi has recalled the House to deal with current crises. That's a good start.

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Inviso posted...

So Nancy Pelosi has recalled the House to deal with current crises. That's a good start.

I think she recalled it for the USPS specifically. But it is good either way

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Not the time for them to be taking a paid vacation.

To be fair, it is literally the law that Congress go into recess in August (the exact date actually differs if the year is odd or even, seriously) but calling the House back in session was absolutely the correct move given the situation.

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In some irony, I fully expect all the countries that "did well" will get slammed with covid in the fall and winter. While the United States will generally fade off because many areas already have been slammed and have enough immunity to naturally social distance.

Biden wins election and is praised for righting the Covid response. However, he actually did nothing different to cause it. It was simply a numbers game.

All countries start to relatively look similar in numbers when population and population density is taken into effect.

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Those are a lot of big assumptions to "fully expect".

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcFtUdcPhE

I know Twitch political commentators are usually one step ahead of "random shirtless guy on the bus" in terms of who you want to hear social commentary from, but I think Vaush does a good job expressing some frustrations I've had with the Twitter left recently and their "Bernie is a sellout shill" narrative that has been developing.

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On the eve of a Democratic National Convention taking place as millions lose health care coverage, the health care industry is launching a new ad campaign pressing Democrats to back off the partys already compromised health care promises. That pressure seems to be having its intended effect on Capitol Hill as congressional aides say the party will not push the initiative if Biden wins. The signs of retreat come as health care industry profits are skyrocketing and the industrys campaign cash has flooded into Democratic coffers.

The Partnership for Americas Health Care Future (PAHCF) -- a front group created by health insurance, pharmaceutical and hospital lobbying groups to oppose Medicare for All -- announced on Friday that it is launching a new national ad campaign to persuade Democrats to abandon their plans to create a public health insurance plan. The group said it will run ads during the Democratic National Convention (DNC) this week. PAHCF is led by a former Hillary Clinton aide and run out of the offices of a D.C. lobbying firm led by former top Democratic congressional aides.

A substantial public option plan which polls show is wildly popular was the centerpiece of recent policy negotiations between supporters of former Vice President Joe Biden and progressive Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who had been pushing for a more expansive Medicare for All program. A draft of the party platform, approved by DNC members late last month, includes a pledge to pass a public option, or a government-run health insurance plan that would compete with private insurers.

Within 24 hours of the launch of the industrys new ads, however, anonymous Democratic congressional sources were telling The Hill that Democrats likely wont bother with the public option fight next year if Biden wins the election. Instead, they said the party will instead work to tweak the partys 2010 health care law, the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which has done little to limit insurance or hospital costs and has failed to ensure universal coverage.

To justify the preemptive retreat, Democratic congressional aides told the newspaper that the partys moderate crop of 2020 Senate challenger candidates could make it harder to pass a public option. That assertion comes even though every single one of those candidates is currently campaigning in support of a public option, according to a TMI review of campaign statements.

https://sirota.substack.com/p/dems-begin-signaling-their-post-election

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://sirota.substack.com/p/dems-begin-signaling-their-post-election

The moderate Dems are never going to do anything resembling universal healthcare. They just don't want it. You have a better chance of getting it out of Trump and the Republicans - if that's what it takes to win elections they'll do it, but moderate Dems aren't even willing to pander.

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://sirota.substack.com/p/dems-begin-signaling-their-post-election

But remember, progressives are supposed to fall in line and vote for these clowns!

yes I understand that literally any democrat is better for progressive goals than any republican, please don't lecture me over a shitty joke

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Those are a lot of big assumptions to "fully expect".

Do you disagree though? Some things are hard to "prove" but are still quite likely to happen and predictably so. Although I don't think Biden winning is more likely than not at this point.

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Reading their website:

When the public option offers lower prices subsidized by higher taxes of private premiums, families are going to stop purchasing the more expensive private options.

And that's supposed to be a bad thing?

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the percentage of covid deaths in relation to the total population in the US is about 0.05% right now and in the netherlands, it's about 0.04%. i was pretty surprised when i looked this up, as i assumed the percentage in the US was WAY higher. obviously, this is is just a random example that doesn't say much, though.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Reading their website:

When the public option offers lower prices subsidized by higher taxes of private premiums, families are going to stop purchasing the more expensive private options.

And that's supposed to be a bad thing?

If you're a member of the top 10%, it's probably a bad thing for you. You are going to be paying more because your tax dollars are going to go to paying for healthcare for the bottom 90%.

My guess is that with due to the extreme inefficiency of our current system, you can pay substantially more in taxes than an average taxpayer and still be better off with a public option, but the breakeven point is probably going to be around the top 10%. Maybe a little wealthier than that even (our health insurance is unbelievably bad).

But that's like, the entire Democratic donor class. So no surprise that they don't want it!

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

the percentage of covid deaths in relation to the total population in the US is about 0.05% right now and in the netherlands, it's about 0.04%. i was pretty surprised when i looked this up, as i assumed the percentage in the US was WAY higher. obviously, this is is just a random example that doesn't say much, though.

The death rate in the US at least is WAY down from where it was in March and April. We've gotten much better at treating it. Thus, the second wave in the US has not killed as many people as the first wave, even though there have probably been more cases in the second wave.

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Some really disturbing (though not surprising) anecdotes about Trump from his former DHS CoS (whos voting for Biden):

https://twitter.com/rvat2020/status/1295428130170195968?s=21

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Some really disturbing (though not surprising) anecdotes about Trump from his former DHS CoS (whos voting for Biden):

https://twitter.com/rvat2020/status/1295428130170195968?s=21

Shit like that really just hits home how fucked up Trump is.

Is anyone aware of Obama doing anything similar?

What about past presidents using their office to stick it to the other party? I'm sure there's got to be instances, I'm just wondering if they were so nakedly disgusting as the current administration.

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Trump is now declaring his intention to shred the 22nd Amendment:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1295475269504032769

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i'd like a redo of the last four years.

just not the way he means it

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Trump ludicrously claims that US coronavirus numbers "are better than almost all countries." (The US has the most deaths -- by far -- of any country in the world.)

ok so trump is just being trump but what i find shocking about this clip is all the people cheering and clapping.

are these people really so fucking stupid that they believe the US coronavirus numbers are better than almost all countries?

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yes they are

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humanity, you always find new ways to disappoint me :-(

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

ok so trump is just being trump but what i find shocking about this clip is all the people cheering and clapping.

are these people really so fucking stupid that they believe the US coronavirus numbers are better than almost all countries?

So in Trump language, "almost all" means "at least one." Is there one country on earth that we have a lower per capita death rate than? If so, there you go!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is now declaring his intention to shred the 22nd Amendment:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1295475269504032769

He would need 38 states to sign on to repeal the Amendment.

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https://twitter.com/WakeUp2Politics/status/1295517135016538113

very cool

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red sox 777 posted...

He would need 38 states to sign on to repeal the Amendment.

Well I was using "shred" figuratively. If he actually went through with this it seems far more likely that he'd just run again despite the blatant unconstitutionality and count on it to somehow sort out to being a purely partisan issue like everything else these past four years.

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The new republican bill they are gonna offer is terrible. Go figure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-plan-scaled-back-proposal-for-virus-relief-bill/ar-BB184xr3

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