Poll of the Day > Would you rather life return to normal at risk of others or continue quarantine?

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As more and more people lose their jobs, Ive been seeing a some individuals wanting this whole thing to end even if it risks their life or the lives of loved ones. I dont personally agree fully with that but I dont feel like this quarantine is going to be sustainable for much longer. Was wondering how other people feel about this whole situation.

GameLord113 posted...

As more and more people lose their jobs, Ive been seeing a some individuals wanting this whole thing to end even if it risks their life or the lives of loved ones. I dont personally agree fully with that but I dont feel like this quarantine is going to be sustainable for much longer. Was wondering how other people feel about this whole situation.

Screw it at this point. From the left hey green house gasses will go down. From the right government over regulations. So lets thin the Hurd while we can.

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Millions? Not millions, BILLIONS!

This is the end. Doom! Doom! DOOM!

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soon there will only be 98% of us left

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why let a good crisis go to waste lets thin the herd while we can. Let everyone go. We can fix a ton of your government budget issues in one go. Let my people free

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The risk as we've discussed is mild. Wait just a bit more then allow those willing to go back to normal. Anyone at risk can hang out. It's not like you'll force them out any more than you're forcing the stubborn to stay home.

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We need to slow this thing as much as we can in order to prevent a total collapse of our medical infrastructure. If that happens, it won't just be the ~1% of people going to the hospital and dying of COVID-19, or even the ~20% of people who need medical attention to survive it but can't get it. It'll be that and everybody else who needs medical attention for ANYTHING, whether from an infected splinter to multiple vehicle collision with dozens wounded, and everything in between and beyond, that won't be able to get any medical attention, and depending on the severity of the incident, will die because we let this thing get too far out of hand.

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Im willing to continue but I can certainly understand how other people might be frustrated with the way things are at the moment

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oh noes all those poor chain smokers that pollute my breathing space

I mean..I was practically a shut in anyway already (especially w/ spring allergy season starting soon), and now I can telework every day, which is kinda fucking awesome...
The pandemic is a tragedy, but the quarantine itself has been pretty good thus far for me, aside from the grocery shopping experience. I'm sure other people in impacted businesses want the quarantine to be over, but for me personally...it's not unwelcome...

streamofthesky posted...

I mean..I was practically a shut in anyway already (especially w/ spring allergy season starting soon), and now I can telework every day, which is kinda fucking awesome...
The pandemic is a tragedy, but the quarantine itself has been pretty good thus far for me, aside from the grocery shopping experience. I'm sure other people in impacted businesses want the quarantine to be over, but for me personally...it's not unwelcome...

Pretty much this. I know it sucks for some people but it's working out for me for the moment. But definitely want people to get their jobs back

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Being as I was NEET before and now I'm being told to be a NEET I'd rather "Continue our indefinite quarantine". i see no point in rushing things back to normal only to have the problem probably become worse.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is only one way for this to end without a ton of deaths or a very long quarantine and that is by releasing people in waves.

You start off with the people already out there for emergency jobs etc, wait 2 weeks so that those who need serious medical help in that time have recovered as much as possible, and then release 20% of the population to get back to work.

Wait another 2 weeks and release another 20% (now 60% total).

And finally after 2 more weeks the last 20% (Who are not elderly or have pre-existing conditions etc).

80% of your work force is back, only the sick/elderly are in quarantine anymore, and things are mainly back to normal before the end of May.

That would cut down seriously on deaths, prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, but still allow people to get back to work in a fairly resonable amount of time.

It's not a perfect solution, but it is a solution that would cover both bases as much as possible, preventing a majority of the deaths, while also getting things back to normal as fast as you can without a massive number of people getting infected.

You could, I guess, halve the time by releasing 40% a pop, but only if you had the medical supplies/beds etc ready for such large numbers of people getting sick at once. That could enable most people to be back at work by the end of april though...and is still better than any solution that has most of the US quanrantine until everyone is released at the end of april etc, or even possibly may.

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Return to normal life I'm sorry but the jobs have stopped but the bills haven't I literally cannot afford to sit in the house all day.

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Hard to say. I really don't like people dying and stuff. But this new life also sucks, if you can call it that. I mean, it's like people really aren't living, anyway. So, Idk...

Not to mention, it's impossible to shop or get basic living supplies. People keep buying lots of toilet still. They probably already have a couple years worth. Glove and hand sanitizer will probably be impossible to find in some places for who knows how long...

Zeus posted...

Millions? Not millions, BILLIONS!

This is the end. Doom! Doom! DOOM!

Sounds like somebody didn't get his sacrifice this morning...

@wolfy42 How do they choose who?
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afrodude77 posted...

Return to normal life I'm sorry but the jobs have stopped but the bills haven't I literally cannot afford to sit in the house all day.

How exactly does the government expect people to stop working with a one time $1200 social security check "within the next three weeks"?

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Yellow posted...

How exactly does the government expect people to stop working with a one time $1200 social security check "within the next three weeks"?

I don't think they really think we can. But they can use that to calm some people down. And maybe get a few more people to stay inside for a little longer...
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LinkPizza posted...

How do they choose who?

First 20% (or more) is already out there working "emergency" based jobs (which sadly seems to include almost everything lol).

Second 20% would probably be by age, or if you work in certain other jobs that are high demand but were not emergency before. It doesn't have to be exactly 20% just about that much.

I would probably say you slowly increase the age range of people released. So emergency only at first, then say people between 18-30 next, 30-40 after that, then 40-50 and finally 50-60.

Anyone over 60 or with medical conditions stay home for another month and get supplimented by the gov so they can afford that (if they are not already on Social Security or disability etc). Same for people with medical conditions.

There is a very low death rate for people under 30...so the first group would be a test group, and wouldn't be released till april 16th anyway (more than 2 weeks from now when we would start a REAL quarantine ...ie....no more people just going out/having parties etc.)

On the 16th you release everyone 18-30, hospitals should be mostly free by then to handle any cases. That will give a good idea of how well this will work. If it works well, on the 30th (or May 1st) you release everyone 30-40 then on the 15th everyone 40-50, and end of maybe 50-60.

At that point most everyone is back to work and things are getting back to normal. You keep the elderly/sick inside at least through june, keeping an eye on new cases. If there are no new cases for 2 weeks (before the end of june) you start releasing the ones who are younger but with mild conditons (high blood pressure, asthma etc), and see how that works. As long as nobody starts catching it again, you release everyooe by the end of june.

Still seems like forever to me, but it would be the safest way I can think of to handle this.

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This is a false choice.

The economy is shit and it will stay shit, regardless of what we do because, surprise surprise, filling your workforce with sick and dying workers isn't good for economic growth.

If anything, going back too early is just going to create a knock-on effect where we get the worst of both worlds: more death AND a longer recovery time for both people and the economy.

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Stay quarantined with a stimulas check for awhile. I want the rest of my student debt payed off

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AnnoyedCops posted...

Pretty much this. I know it sucks for some people but it's working out for me for the moment. But definitely want people to get their jobs back

So does the government. If we aren't working, they arent making money and if they arent making money then where does the help come from?

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Don't care either way.

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Zeus posted...

Millions? Not millions, BILLIONS!

This is the end. Doom! Doom! DOOM!

that came out last week already
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afrodude77 posted...

Return to normal life I'm sorry but the jobs have stopped but the bills haven't I literally cannot afford to sit in the house all day.

In which case, UBI needs to be implemented for the length of the quarantine. Going back to work because you can't afford not to will only make the whole thing worse, especially if it comes in waves like the 1918 outbreak did.

For my part, I don't mind carrying on at the kind of level of quarantine that's currently in place in the UK for a while longer. I'm used to that sort of isolation, honestly, and I think it might bring home to the non-disabled among us just what those of us who are often housebound have to endure every damn day.

I just wish they'd sort out the grocery delivery services properly already, they're a mess & I'm stressed out that I can't get a slot for weeks, and that may be even worse if the companies decide to prioritise the people the government have decided are most at risk, because they didn't bother to include half the people who *would* be, or those of us who already ordered online regularly due to mobility issues. That, and certain horrendous provisions of the Coronavirus Bill the Tories have just passed, including rolling back the Care Act 2014 in its entirety, really bother me. The latter essentially meaning that disabled people who need help with personal care etc but won't die immediately if left without it won't be able to *get* that care anymore if they can't afford it, as the majority of disabled people can't. And would you be happy to be left sitting in your own waste for days, as that may do to some care recipients without family? It'll be bad for me, but much worse for people even less mobile than I am.

Anyway, I went tl;dr, sorry. But if we don't hold down the quarantine now, our medical services won't be capable of helping us when we need them.

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darkknight109 posted...

This is a false choice.

The economy is shit and it will stay shit, regardless of what we do because, surprise surprise, filling your workforce with sick and dying workers isn't good for economic growth.

If anything, going back too early is just going to create a knock-on effect where we get the worst of both worlds: more death AND a longer recovery time for both people and the economy.

I'm glad to see others undertand the forest beyond the trees.

If anyone should be sent back to work (and by work, I mean "as is", not hyper vigilant or squeaky clean like we are now...because we all know that's how a "return to work"would be handled) it should be the politicians. Lead by example you cowardly old bags of air. You think the Texas Lt. Governor was really gonna go back to work unprotected like he was urging the seniors of Texas to do?

If so, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Hit me up.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

soon there will only be 98% of us left

I know right...only just over 7 billion people on the earth after all this is over. Man we are really going to be down to the final strands of civilization here.

How will we ever cope with only 7 billion on the earth? No species should gave to be so sparse...its unfathomable. 7 billion is just...such a small number. The opposite of a big number...that's what 7 billion is indeed.

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Until control of the global economy has successfully been transferred, they will continue to tell us to stay home.

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If people would actually follow the stay at home order, and only go out for essentials like food, clothing (and not fashion clothing, just stuff you need like replacement jeans or sneakers), or for repair. We'd be fine. This would be over quicker.

It wouldn't even matter if places like gamestop said they were essential, since if people were doing what they were supposed to, there wouldn't be any customers.

But no. People have to be stupid and do things like have a tailgate party at the golf course, use costco or walmart as a "socialization spot", pack 1000 people into a church, or go window shopping at a store because they are "bored".

At this point this is dragging on not because of governement or businesses trying to say they are essential, but becuase people are stupid and can't follow instructions and aren't even taking this seriously.

So continue the quarantine. If for some reason it's lifted before makes any sense, I'm still going to be socially distancing for the rest of the year and probably just wear a mask/gloves when I go out.

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It should happen in the US just so the "healthcare" system can bankroll everyone who survives and the country is so mortified by the predation killing off even more people that they have to accept that public healthcare is essential.
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Yellow posted...

How exactly does the government expect people to stop working with a one time $1200 social security check "within the next three weeks"?

I have no idea lol I'm just crossing my fingers I get unemployment soon.

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DPsx7 posted...

The risk as I've decided for no particular reason or with any appreciable understanding of the situation is mild.

FTFY

GameLord113 posted...

As more and more people lose their jobs, Ive been seeing a some individuals wanting this whole thing to end even if it risks their life or the lives of loved ones.

The thing with those people is that they don't understand just how significant that risk is. The way this thing spreads, if we give up on containing it (that is, continue gathering in large crowds, stop bothering to sanitize stuff, go back to rarely washing hands), there'll be millions of cases within a month or two. That's just how exponential growth works. Most of those won't require hospitalization, but for those that do, there won't be hospitals available for them and they will almost certainly die. Many will say "we'll just worry about containing it then," but it's infinitely easier to control the spread with a seed of a few thousand cases than with a seed of several million. Once it hits that kind of casualty rate, you're not stopping it without full-on militarized lockdown, which people are going to resist and fight back against because they're idiots.

It's very tempting to just give up and see where it goes, because this whole quarantine thing is really annoying and feels futile (bear in mind that the current spread rates are a consequence of what was happening 2-3 weeks ago, so whatever people are doing right now won't bear fruit for another 2-3 weeks), but where it's going to go is going to completely overwhelm the country's health care capabilities and result in vastly more deaths. That's not a risk anyone should want to take.

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I was originally really worried about all the job loss and things shutting down, But with the government actually freezing evictions, extending unemployment/raising it as well.. and doing these things and already talking about doing more down the pipeline, I'm not as concerned for that portion. We should continue to isolate as much as possible and try and keep this from spreading around for as long as we can.

Really if you think getting your business back up and running is worth extra people dying, you are an evil person.


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Sequiro posted...

I was originally really worried about all the job loss and things shutting down, But with the government actually freezing evictions, extending unemployment/raising it as well.. and doing these things and already talking about doing more down the pipeline, I'm not as concerned for that portion. We should continue to isolate as much as possible and try and keep this from spreading around for as long as we can.

Really if you think getting your business back up and running is worth extra people dying, you are an evil person.

and honestly if we kept up some practices we could reduce or eliminate a lot of other contagious diseases while were at it

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Sequiro posted...

We should continue to isolate as much as possible and try and keep this from spreading around for as long as we can.

While I am going a bit stir crazy here, that isn't the worst part. Looking down another month stuck in a basement with no window, no fresh air, and no company at all......that is bad.

What is worse? My roomates upstairs are still going out, still partying (literally had a birthday party with friends/relatives the other day), one is still working (the other is semi-working from home I think). They and MANY others are not taking this seriously.

That means even though I'm doing what I can, I'm likely to still get it. They come down here to do the laundry etc, and it just takes me not hearing them come down once, and heading out there after they have been down recently for me to get infected.

So I feel almost like what I am doing is worthless (other than if I do get it, at least I wouldn't be responsible for spreading it).

Too many people are laughing about this, or just don't care, or follow trump religiously (my roomates for instance) but not enough to realize he has changed his tune somewhat at this point. He basically called it a flue and that it would be gone by Easter and that is all they care about.

So yeah, the worst part is that all this self isolation may be for nothing, and ii's not freaking easy. I'm used to being at home alot, but damn it's been weeks, I have decent food at least, but there is only so much I can do at home.I can't even think about playing a video game anymore and I'm seriously burnt out on watching TV, but there is literally nothing else for me to do.

They should make all streaming services free right now to give people more options, they should do SOMETHING to provide online socialization methods (zoom for free for large groups for instance), there has to be more done to prevent people who are all alone going batshit crazy as this continues.

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wolfy42 posted...

While I am going a bit stir crazy here, that isn't the worst part. Looking down another month stuck in a basement with no window, no fresh air, and no company at all......that is bad.

You can go outside, if you want. It's a really good idea to, actually, because fresh air and sun are good for you. Just avoid other people and don't go anywhere crowded.

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adjl posted...

You can go outside, if you want. It's a really good idea to, actually, because fresh air and sun are good for you. Just avoid other people and don't go anywhere crowded.

It's funny you say that because the police over here are telling folk to go back home when they go to the peaks. All the peaks are is fresh air, countryside and nobody around. Still yeah you're fine for a walk. Mental health is important too maybe even more so for some people.

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wwinterj25 posted...

It's funny you say that because the police over here are telling folk to go back home when they go to the peaks. All the peaks are is fresh air, countryside and nobody around. Still yeah you're fine for a walk. Mental health is important too maybe even more so for some people.

I'm guessing they're trying to keep people away from popular outdoor destinations. My home province has closed all provincial parks and most walking trails and beaches for that reason, since they don't want too many people flocking to them as the most interesting way to get their fresh air. If you try to get your fresh air in lower-traffic areas, you should be alright.

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adjl posted...

You can go outside, if you want. It's a really good idea to, actually, because fresh air and sun are good for you. Just avoid other people and don't go anywhere crowded.

I mean yeah, they're all SAYING that. but if/when it gets real and its more like actual martial law quarantines...police aren't going to have time to decide who's out for what reason. In fact, many dont know already nor do they really no how much to enforce since this is new ground in America.

So gradually, and maybe even now... those supposed runs that were okay may not be so okay anymore

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I was going outside to bbq etc until last week. I even have stuff to bbq in the freezer that I planned on using.

The problem is my roomates, they live upstairs, and they have a dog, and they go out the back (my way outside) all the time because of that. I can use my shirt/gloves etc, to open the door, but I don't know how long it's been since they went back there.

So going up the stairs even to go into the back yard right now is a risk. I will do it some, because yeah, I can't just stay closed in down here forever, I need to at least get out and walk, but I am not using the kitchen upstairs at all, and trying to only go up there when I am pretty sure they have not used the area in the last 15-20 minutes (I open my door so I can see if they do).

It's not a great situation. I should have moved awhile ago for a bunch of reasons but I can't handle additional stress right now (lol yeah, that obviously isn't working out) and moving is really stressful to me. I can't even use my TV/computer because they "hear" it up there, so I have to use headphones/earplugs to watch tv etc. I stopped using the kitchen mostly months ago as well, just doing so rarely, but now I don't use it at all.

Shows that you just shouldn't put things off, but I planned on visiting relatives and going on trips this summer, and I couldn't think about moving when it was still so cold and got dark so early. I also had Pneumonia for the last 2 months (they complained about the coughing to, at least in that case I said play background music cause there is nothing I can do about it).

I don't think they want anyone to live here anymore, but they don't want to give me a 30 day notice or anything. The woman who owns the house got married like 2 months after I moved in, and then her new husband moved in, so she doesn't really need the rent anymore I'm sure.

Anyway, my situation isn't normal, but I'm sure there are a ton of people out there stuck inside and dying for this to be over....then again, I guess we are lucky because at least we are not sick and all alone at a hospital or something.

Hard to feel lucky though as the weeks pass by.

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Sequiro posted...

Really if you think getting your business back up and running is worth extra people dying, you are an evil person.

I think it depends. If you whole life depends on that business (like being a small local business), then I can definitely understand. That's like saying if you want to have a good life after this is all over and not be on th streets after, you're an evil person...
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Sequiro posted...

Really if you think getting your business back up and running is worth extra people dying, you are an evil person.

and if someone can't feed their family because of it?
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DrYuya posted...

I mean yeah, they're all SAYING that. but if/when it gets real and its more like actual martial law quarantines...police aren't going to have time to decide who's out for what reason. In fact, many dont know already nor do they really no how much to enforce since this is new ground in America.

So gradually, and maybe even now... those supposed runs that were okay may not be so okay anymore

Eventually, yeah, it may get to the point where being outside at all is no longer considered okay. For now, though, a half-hour walk around your neighbourhood isn't likely to be problematic, so enjoy some fresh air while the option's still available.

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The issue is that the quarantine isn't enough and might have to be in place for like, a year or more. Probably would be better to have region quarantines and basically test everybody in area after like 2 months quarantined and if everybody in that region is healthy, it's a cleared zone. Cleared zones can freely interact with other cleared zones in certain clusters (in case of someone breaking the rule and reinfecting a zone). Eventually you'll clear every zone and the virus will be gone. I just kind of imagine morons would fuck it up and keep reinfecting zones that had been cleared.

It is true, as much as I hate it, that at some point it might be a better option to just eat a 4% loss of the US population than continue the quarantine. I could very likely be in that 4% so I'm clearly not in favor of it but if the quarantine keeps going, eventually a lot more people will die from economic collapse.

It is definitely really frustrating though. If EVERYONE obeyed quarantine for like 2 months, the virus would just be gone from existence but it's one of those things where even 1 single person can fuck it up for everybody so it really won't actually be gone until we either get flawless easy testing (like 100% accurate cheap instant results breath testing) that allow us to easy track the spread before symptoms appear or we find a cure.

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