Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic #3 - "Demon blood is thicker than... regular blood."

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Naxx is out?!

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Wait really?

One shot, one kill on everything.

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As in, the first add-on content to ever be released for Hearthstone? That Naxx?

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FFDragon posted...

One shot, one kill on everything.

Same, although some of the fights stalled out and went slowly.

azuarc posted...

As in, the first add-on content to ever be released for Hearthstone? That Naxx?

Yes, although to be fair I think it works in some other adventures too, not just Naxx. (Not all of them, though. You can't play against the Lich King for example).

Anyway, took the default demon hunter deck into Naxx Heroic. Got my teeth kicked in. Took it into Naxx normal, beat most of the fights first try, except for Grobbulus. (The hero whose hero power deals 1 damage to everything, and then makes a 2/2 slime every time it kills something). Yeah, the starting DH deck is just full of 1 health and 2 health minions so that hero power kinda wrecks. I could change my deck, but I just changed my strategy instead; literally just hold all the 1 health stuff in my hand, wait to draw a 7/4 or try to set up a big combo turn.

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First fight was the hardest but I top decked ray of frost to help with the aggression

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Found anohther old adventure normal mode boss that the base demon hunter deck struggles with. Garr from Blackrock Mountain. The one who deals 1 damage to all minions every turn.

I'm noticing a pattern here, where Demon Hunter seems to get rolled by whirlwind effects....

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OK, finally found an old normal mode adventure boss that I straight up can't beat with the starting Demon Hunter deck.

"I like your deck, I think I will TAKE it"

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Hmm...thoughts on DH cards from adventure play.

Twin Slice: solid, almost never sad to draw it, lots of synergy.
Battlefiend: high variane. particularly in adventures this sometimes carried when it grew to like 5/2 while hitting face, but also sometimes traded with a 1 drop
Ur'zul Horror: Okay filler card. Sort of DH firefly. Not blown away by it though.
Chaos Strike: Okay filler card. It's a slam that always draws a card and can go face (but you take face damage when clearing).
Feast of Souls: worst card in the deck; sure, sometimes rolls big, but can't even cast it for 0 to set up outcast. often I was happy just to draw 1 to get it out of my hand.
Sightless Watcher: Okay filler card. I expected it to be bad, and it actually wasn't. Two reasons. One it seems to shuffle away the cards you don't pick, so that's a lot better than I thought--I figured you'd still draw the bad cards immediately after your good card and just know how fucked you were cause you knew trash cards were coming up, but that didn't actually seem to be the case--maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. Second thing this does, putting an outcast card like Eye Beam on top of your deck is...fairly strong.
Umberwing: Solid. It's a slightly weaker muster for Battle, but also a 1/2 weapon on 2 is more impactful than a 1/3 weapon on 3.
Altrius the Outcast: Felt like the strongest card in the deck by far. Part of this is just that it's single-player content and the AI doesn't handle Altrius well. But man, my blowout wins usually involved Altrius.
Coordinated Strike: Underwhelming, but serviceable. Removal is removal.
Eye Beam: 3 damage backstab with lifesteal. Yes it's good.
Satyr Overseer: Got work done in singleplayer modes, but I'm not really sold on it in constructed. 2 health was important in this deck, because that was about as high as health goes in this deck, and whirlwinds are common in old adventures. But I think 2 health is gonna be low in construted. In particular, SI:7 agent, and Scalerider match up really well against this. Also typically it's not free to trigger the 2/2 on 3 mana; need a twin slice or a weapon already up.
Wrathscale Naga: Juggles hit face when you want to hit mininos, and hit minions when you want to hit face. Also 1 health sucks. That said, I would dismiss this, but 3 per death is a lot of damage. Sometimes.
Illidari Fellblade: Did work. 5/3 rush immune is pretty great.
Command the Illidari: Felt a lot better than the 3 mana version. 5 mana for 6 1/1s with rush. Didn't feel bad using this on an empty board.
Glaivebound Adept: Definitely a workhouse in the deck, particularly in singleplayer content with a premade deck where protect the 7/4 for a few turns while it hits face was often the strategy. Not as busted as it looks in constructed; effectively costs 6, which makes it basically Fire Elemental that deals 4. Fire Elemental that deals 4 is still real solid and goes in the deck, though.
Nethrandamus: The nature of single player modes and the way this deck was built (with only one card costing more than 5), yeah, sometimes the big bad 9 drop was needed to win against more controlling boss enemies (whereas against a lot of other enemies they were just dead by turn 9). As far as 9 mana cards go, it's probably fine. Want to say the average CMC it got me was summoning two six drops. That's like...Power of Creation at 1 more mana with no discover, but with an extra 8/8 attached. That's...fine.

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I mean, trying to play seriously right before the year change is always going to end poorly.

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I'm trying to get Nemsy through these personal fireside gatherings that they've allowed people to make, but the website won't recognize the address and location of the house of this tiny town I'm currently in on this tiny piece of land in the middle of the ocean. First it defaulted to another larger town on the island, but then when I went to join with another device to get the hero, it obviously didn't find the gathering because I'm multiple miles away from that town.

I tried again and got it at least to recognize the town, but it's more of a central location and I'm closer to the edge of the town. I have to wait another hour to see if it works because you apparently can't set a fireside for the current time.

Third world problems. Except it's not actually the third world

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I've heard you can't actually get Nemsy from the personal fireside gatherings anyway

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Well fuck

EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/8svz4w/you_can_now_host_your_own_private_fireside/

This link makes it seem like it is possible, assuming all requirements have been filled. I have no idea what these requirements are and whether I will be filling them.

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Well that post is also from a year ago, pretty sure these new personal taverns that you're allowed to make are different.

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Hmm someone laid out the requirements in that post, and while it's all doable for me, it might not be worth the hassle. Also realized that it's an old post and that they may have changed how it works.

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Just won a Battlegrounds game where I got the dream. I rushed a tier 6 minion as Galakrond and got mama bear. A few turns later I tripled an Alley Cat and the 1/1 beast so I had two 17/17 minions.

I would not recommend this strategy because I only had 12 health left once I started getting good minions, if I whiffed on the tier 6 it would have been a complete failure.

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What site was it that listed the hero that puts a murloc in the tavern whenever you sell one as the worst hero? Because I just want to know what site to never trust again.

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I mean I usually die before I can even get the murloc strategy going on him because he offers no early game advantage so I wouldn't rate him very highly either.

But the worst hero is definitely Jaraxxus

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Camden posted...

What site was it that listed the hero that puts a murloc in the tavern whenever you sell one as the worst hero? Because I just want to know what site to never trust again.

HSReplay.

It actually breaks down the common places to finish with that hero:

8th place 27%
7th place 19%
1st place 15%
6th place 12%
5th place 9%
etc

Fungalmancer actually finishes first more than the vast majority of heroes (there's only four heroes that finish 1st more than Fungalmancer). Fungalmancer just...also finishes last more than any other hero.

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How many of those people finishing last are buying every murloc at every turn even if it's not the best play?

Edit: Also, I'm playing as Elise for the first time and had no idea those maps she gets cost gold to use.

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Considering the average MMR is less than 5000, probably a lot of people

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Speaking of MMR I should hit 8k today :D

And yeah those tier lists spoils be used as guidelines but you have to consider the type of players who are contributing to those results. Heroes worth higher skill caps are invariably better than they appear.

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Did anyone else open their Outlands packs yet?

I got 4 legendaries in my 90 bundle and am pretty close to number 5.

Metamorphosis(Great and sure will see play)
Teron Gorefiend(ehhhhhhh)
Archspore Msshffsshfsssisfh'n(I knew all the classes had prime legendaries but still forgot about the Druid one)
Kelidan the Breaker(Oh ya control warlock. def excited for this card)

Also my epics were not very spread out. I either got the playset of 2 or none when it came to epics. Thank goodness pack protection will make filling them out so much easier.

firaga89 posted...

Thank goodness pack protection will make filling them out so much easier.

I typically get a total of like 10 epics, and 7 of them are the same two cards.

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I made a fireside gathering today, not knowing you couldn't spend gold during one, so I just exited Hearthstone in shame.

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skullbone posted...

Considering the average MMR is less than 5000, probably a lot of people

I mean, they occasionally post stuff from higher MMR ranges. For example, from 11 days ago, only from games with 6,700+ MMR (top 20%):

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fnm9k9/hsreplaynet_battlegrounds_hero_rankings_patch_166/

Fungalmancer on the bottom.

That was 11 days ago granted, might be out of date as more people get to know how to play the hero.

Buuuuut they publically provide data for "all ranks" and "top 50% of players" (top 50% being 5600+)--the trend seems to suggest that Fungalmancer actually is more successful at low MMR compared to 5600+ MMR. (This doesn't actually surprise me too much; at higher MMR people tend to get strong quite early, which makes teching up to tier 5 more dangerous).

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The thing with flurgl is his he kinda makes you force Murlocs, which is why he isnt good at all

its like how Murlocs have the lowest placement rating despite being the best late game, if you whiff on Brann and/or Megasaur you just lose.

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I think the bigger problem is that people don't know how to transition out of their build and INTO murlocs so they try to force them all game instead. But yes Brann is essential and good luck surviving until you get him with no advantage in the early game.

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I've got him twice and won both games. Granted it was at 47XX and 48XX, but I didn't get Brann and only got a single Megasaur. First game I didn't switch to murlocs until the late game when I got said Megasaur and hit divine shield, and then it was just Holy Mackerals and a divine shield merry-go-round. Still ended up being a close finish because I didn't have a ton of stats.

Second game I wouldn't say I forced murlocs as much as murlocs were forced on me. Triples were just being showered down onto me and in the late game I was able to build poison the hard way on five murlocs. This game probably skews my feelings towards the hero because I don't think things could have went better for me.

Edit: My worst performing heroes are Shudderwock and Daryl. Shudderwock just never seems to work out for me and almost always ends with me losing points. I haven't played Daryl since animations were sped up so I imagine things would be better now, but they used to take long enough on my computer that even if I tried to go off at the start of the round there was a good chance I wasn't going to finish. I also didn't care for Elise from earlier today that much, but that's the only time I've had her.

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Yeah I've played him probably 4 or 5 times and I think I've gotten 8th place in all of those games.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I made a fireside gathering today, not knowing you couldn't spend gold during one, so I just exited Hearthstone in shame.

I've been hit by this before.

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Deryl is my best hero. Curator is the one I pick most often, without success.

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My top five played
Yogg/Rafaam/AFK/Elise/Curator

Top five wins
AFK/Yogg/Rafaam/Curator/Elise

>_>

Though since this patch I think it's mostly been Millhouse and Noz starting to catch up

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I'm 19/22 with Yogg, easily my best win percentage.

#Ialwaysbowdown

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My best heroes are Bartend-o-tron and Nozdormu. I've played as Curator a lot, but his win percentage is way down.

Meanwhile, Brann on dino is still hanging on to #5 in wins with 9, despite my 5th most played only being 12, so he's gotta be either 9/9, 9/10, or 9/11, which is pretty absurd.

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i booted up the game again because a passed by a video of trump saying they were giving away a free deck with decent cards in it and its like "okay free stuff".

so i played a few games with it (i chose mage) and it took me a while to get used to it. After a couple of more I swapped out cards with ones i had and crafted a couple (like the seven mana choose 2 of 4 effect guy).

i also played battlegrounds, but only got through the tutorial one because something was up with my connection to the server or something and i kept dcing from it.

I noticed they changed the rank system and that a lot of cards got unnerfed. Also saw they changed priest, added new portraits, and a new class is coming soon and i looked at some of the cards for demon hunter, and my god

KokoroAkechi posted...

and a new class is coming soon and i looked at some of the cards for demon hunter, and my god

Yeah, demon hunter has good cards.

(To be fair it kind-of needs good cards, given that it's starting with nothing. I think they're trying to avoid launching DH and then it being a bad class that nobody plays, or a class with only one viable deck).

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metroid composite posted...

I think they're trying to avoid launching DH and then it being a bad class that nobody plays, or a class with only one viable deck

Yeah, that's Priests class identity now.

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Camden posted...

Yeah, that's Priests class identity now.

Also Shaman's class identity.

It's a bit different, though, all the hype they've built up around this expansion is based around demon hunter. All their trailers are demon hunter. All their promo art is demon hunter. The returning player quests are now demon hunter quests. The prologue to the new adventure is Illidan's backstory.

It's sort of like...Rise of Shadows was based in Dalaran, literally the mage city, they had better have some frickin awesome mage cards in that set. (And they did. Magic Trick, Ray of Frost, Khadgar, Mana Cyclone, Conjurer's Calling, Power of Creation, Kalecgos).

Except this set is even more extreme, cause Rise of Shadows wasn't just about mages.

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All glory to the Unstable Ghoul. My little dude turned an otherwise unwinnable game into a 32 point smashing that got me to 5,000 on EU. I can no longer claim to be 4,000 in any region now. The only bad part about starting to finally move up is my ridiculously high finishes up until this point will eventually start coming back down to earth. I like looking at my last 15 warbands at the moment and seeing 11 of them being 1st and 2nd, and only one of them being outside of top 4. Please, I don't want real competition...

Also, I managed to hit 5,000 with the exact same build in all three regions: Lightfang Enforcer.

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KokoroAkechi posted...

i booted up the game again because a passed by a video of trump saying they were giving away a free deck with decent cards in it and its like "okay free stuff".

so i played a few games with it (i chose mage) and it took me a while to get used to it. After a couple of more I swapped out cards with ones i had and crafted a couple (like the seven mana choose 2 of 4 effect guy).

i also played battlegrounds, but only got through the tutorial one because something was up with my connection to the server or something and i kept dcing from it.

I noticed they changed the rank system and that a lot of cards got unnerfed. Also saw they changed priest, added new portraits, and a new class is coming soon and i looked at some of the cards for demon hunter, and my god

Most of the cards un-nerfed are either no longer in standard or won't be once the new set comes out.

so im playing right and i queue into revive priest. Just by playing a few games against it I can tell I'm probably not in a good spot against it.

but did i ever cheese a win. This is the deck i'm runnign right now. I just kind of picked the free deck and cobbled together other cards I had on me.

### Pepega Reno
# Class: Mage
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
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# 1x (1) Arcane Breath
# 1x (1) Ray of Frost
# 1x (1) Violet Spellwing
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Doomsayer
# 1x (2) Frostbolt
# 1x (2) Zephrys the Great
# 1x (3) Arcane Amplifier
# 1x (3) Arcane Intellect
# 1x (3) Flame Ward
# 1x (3) Frost Nova
# 1x (3) Ice Barrier
# 1x (3) Voodoo Doll
# 1x (4) Azure Explorer
# 1x (4) Conjurer's Calling
# 1x (4) Dragonmaw Poacher
# 1x (4) Fireball
# 1x (4) Polymorph
# 1x (4) Twilight Drake
# 1x (5) Cobalt Spellkin
# 1x (5) Harrison Jones
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 1x (6) Blizzard
# 1x (6) Dragoncaster
# 1x (6) Reno the Relicologist
# 1x (7) Archmage Antonidas
# 1x (7) Flamestrike
# 1x (7) Siamat
# 1x (9) Alexstrasza
# 1x (9) Dragonqueen Alexstrasza

anyway. I'm pretty far down into my deck. im playing some minions just to get bodies on the field to maybe force him to trade because I have some burst in hand since i got 2 fireballs from antonidas. But the guy has so much healing as the only thing that the 3/1 has revived has been the heal taunt with rebirth. Anyway long story short I summon dragonqueen (among the bottom cards in the deck), it gets me a normal alexstrsza and another dragon that can discover a spell. I summon that dragon and it gets me a frost bolt. I won the next turn.

Oh I dunno if you knew this but theres a pseudo adventure that you get Reno as a hero card

Hes basically a Plague of Death and then you basically just become Yogg every turn

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**** that reno
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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://hsreplay.net/replay/nGhkmmPkwJnLLLpwkAo3XS

On my turn 8, I traded the Armorsmith instead of Bloodsworn Mercenary. I figured I had enough armor to win the game at that point and wanted the bigger minion on board. Was this the correct play?

I think so yes.

In particuar, treant druid is helpless without a board, you can be at 7 health and fairly safe from them if they don't have a board cause they don't run any charge minions and usually don't even run swipe. Warrior wants a bit more than 7 so that you can use your face to clear minions, but 25 is plenty. The thing you are worried about them doing is drawing something that makes a bunch of 2/2s, or alternatively drawing Goru which is a 5/10 taunt, and in both cases you'd rather have a 3/2 than a 1/2.

That said, I think you did make a mistake on turn 4. Scion of Ruin should have been used to kill the 2/1 treants and not the 2/1 acornbearer--for several reasons--limits their options, they can't play the 1/1 squirrels from the second acornbearer next turn (they only ended up playing two squirrels next turn and a blessing of the ancients, but that could have been 3 squirrels and a power of the wild, for example). Also, leaving treants in play is just really risky due to cards like Aeroponics (If they drew their second Aeroponics, it would cause them to spend more mana on it due to having one less treant in play).

The other turn that feels off--I'm less sure about this one, but coin ritual chopper to kill acornbearer feels...suspect, because it led you to hero powering turn 2. Maybe it was correct to coin armoursmith on turn 1, and then play Ritual chopper on turn 2? The, armoursmith challenges the acornbearer, and you can use the front half of the ritual chopper on turn 2 to kill a 2 health treant. (In this particular game coining the armoursmith would kill two minions early, giving you more early board control, and playing Ritual Chopper to kill a treant on turn 2 also prevents them from casting Aeroponics for 0 on turn 3. I just don't know if it's necessarily the right play; obviously there's value in holding armoursmith). Although...another line of play, if you knew you were going topdeck Awaken on turn 3, another line that would have worked in this particular game is pass turn 1, ritual chopper kill a treant turn 2, Awaken kills all the 1 health minions you haven't touched yet turn 3. Preeeetty hard line to make without Awaken already being in your hand, though...hmm...let's see, if you don't topdeck awaken...turn 2 would be ritual chopper kill a treant, turn 3 would be coin devoted maniac, turn 4 is scion of ruin. Hmm...yeah, actually given that you have ritual chopper, maniac, and scion in your opening hand, and can plan out your first 4 turns by saving the coin, maybe saving the coin is correct so that you don't end up doing hero power pass turn 2? (You would still change plans when you topdecked Awaken on turn 3, of course).

So...yeah, the turn 8 play looks correct to me. The turn 4 play is wrong--killed the wrong minion. The turn 1 play is...probably wrong, but that's a hard turn, I'm not 100% sure what the right play is (probably save the coin given that it lets you plan your next 4 turns and guarantee a turn 4 active scion of ruin?)

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I've noticed a lot of the decks ive been facing are like either super control or pretty aggressive. So i dusted off murloc shaman and added in a couple new cards. But I don't have any dust or anything and i want to wait until the next expansion. I mean rip this version of the deck though as a lot of the anti-control stuff is leaving. Like if you get out angler most of the time the opponent can't do anything and they just lose.

### murloc
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
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# 1x (1) Earth Shock
# 2x (1) Grimscale Oracle
# 2x (1) Murloc Tidecaller
# 1x (1) Murmy
# 2x (1) Sludge Slurper
# 2x (1) Toxfin
# 1x (2) Fishflinger
# 2x (2) Murloc Tidehunter
# 2x (2) Soul of the Murloc
# 2x (2) Underbelly Angler
# 2x (3) Coldlight Seer
# 2x (3) Murloc Warleader
# 2x (4) Hench-Clan Hag
# 2x (4) Murloc Tastyfin
# 2x (5) Bloodlust
# 1x (7) Swampqueen Hagatha
# 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch
# 1x (9) Shudderwock

KokoroAkechi posted...

I mean rip this version of the deck though as a lot of the anti-control stuff is leaving. Like if you get out angler most of the time the opponent can't do anything and they just lose.

I mean, Angler isn't leaving at least, so the deck's not dead.

Just Hagatha the witch and Shudderwock.

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