Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic #3 - "Demon blood is thicker than... regular blood."

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skullbone
03/30/20 2:41:55 AM
#152:


After a weekend of Battlegrounds I've dropped to 6200 MMR.

I really don't know what I'm doing wrong anymore

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Forceful_Dragon
03/30/20 5:32:06 AM
#153:


I've had a slow climb from 7k to 7500, but there have been a number of runs that have collapsed what felt like 1 turn before everything came together. Timing is so important :/

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VeryInsane
03/30/20 9:54:20 AM
#155:


I had some bad timing and fell from 8k to 7.5k but the last couple runs I've been doing ok again

just gotta learn what aren't my good heroes and avoid them like the plague >_>

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metroid composite
03/30/20 11:05:59 AM
#156:


For what it's worth, I think it might just be harder to play a stable safe game in Battlegrounds than it used to be.

The strategy of battlegrounds has changed quite a bit since the dragon patch. If you're going dragons, beasts, or murlocs, you want to tier up to tavern tier 5 very quickly. (Mechs and demons do still exist, and can still hang out on tier 3-4 for a while for safety, but both of them have had their effectiveness reduced quite a bit).

Aggressively tiering up is inherently pretty dangerous and can just get your teeth kicked in. In addition, when other people aggressively tier up, and then hit good tier 5 minions right away (they highroll) they end up with these comps with a bunch of tier 5 minions that are going to deal 20 damage to you if they win.

All of this together means you're often more vulnerable, and you're simultaneously also more likely to die from 1-2 losses.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/30/20 2:56:49 PM
#157:


It certainly does feel like a more volatile game. But even still the average placement for most heroes isn't too widespread:

https://hsreplay.net/battlegrounds/heroes/

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MrSmartGuy
03/30/20 4:31:43 PM
#158:


Welp, that was probably my most insane run ever after a massive losing streak to go from 7260 to 6730.



About to do 37 damage to 2nd place in the background.



I didn't even start going Demons until tripled into a Voidlord. Tripling Mal'Ganis and Soul Juggler both got me Imp Mamas. The stars just super aligned for this build. I'm sure there are matches with crazier stats on those demons with buffs and such, but this game ended SO fast. I was dealing 25+ damage to everyone. Going into the very last battle, I tripled the Voidlord and it only gave me the Foe Reaper wow so unlucky

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Camden
03/31/20 3:21:40 PM
#159:


So I almost managed to get an entire final line-up of golden minions, but I killed the other guy so I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Golden Foe Reaper
Golden Ghastcoiler
Golden Egg
Golden Scalebane
Golden Rat Pack
Golden Glyph Guardian
Regular Maexxna that I bought just to kill Zap

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Forceful_Dragon
03/31/20 7:43:44 PM
#160:


Does anyone else have an issue where Hearthstone CONSTANTLY has connection issues? Multiple times every game things will just get hung up. Usually it's just for a few seconds at a time, but every once in awhile it has to do a full reconnect. It makes it impossible to use an entire turn to full effect such as trying to do a Brann Murloc transition late in the game.

I've tried to google it but none of the advice seems to be relevant or helpful for fixing it. It's pretty frustrating.

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firaga89
03/31/20 7:49:13 PM
#161:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Does anyone else have an issue where Hearthstone CONSTANTLY has connection issues? Multiple times every game things will just get hung up. Usually it's just for a few seconds at a time, but every once in awhile it has to do a full reconnect. It makes it impossible to use an entire turn to full effect such as trying to do a Brann Murloc transition late in the game.

I've tried to google it but none of the advice seems to be relevant or helpful for fixing it. It's pretty frustrating.


I have the exact same problem. Like half of my turns in Battlegrounds the game will "stop responding" 15-20 seconds and then reconnect and resume. No clue how to fix it.
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Forceful_Dragon
03/31/20 7:59:35 PM
#163:


It's the freaking worst. If it's just a port that needs to be forwarded I can do that. It's not a windows firewall thing because I turned that shit off, I have a solid connection streaming videos the entire time even when HS is going in and out. And it isn't just hearthstone, it's all blizzard. I have similar periods of non responsiveness playing Diablo as well. It makes it impossible for me to roll a hardcore character in D3 right now because I could just randomly die to the blizzard-only latency issues at any time.

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skullbone
03/31/20 8:02:27 PM
#164:


Make sure that you don't have any Power Saving settings enabled in Windows 10 or more specifically for your wireless card. I had similar issues a few years ago and my wireless card was basically disabling itself every 30 seconds for "power saving".

Also if I ever have the Spotify program open it completely fucks up Heroes of the Storm so I only use the web version when I'm playing now. Could also maybe be that

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Forceful_Dragon
03/31/20 8:55:56 PM
#165:


Tweaked the power save settings to see if that was it, and unfortunately it wasn't.

On my 5 Gold Turn I was immediately F***ed over and unable to buy my second unit. So I got through the Coin + FirstBuy and was about to buy again and instead I floated 3 F***ing gold.

And I was playing Lich Baz and it turns out there is absolutely no room for that kind of play so I got 7th place -_-

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skullbone
03/31/20 8:57:51 PM
#166:


Make sure you check power save settings for basically any hardware related to gaming/internet settings. I'm pretty sure there are general power save settings and then individual settings for basically everything. IIRC I had to disable power save settings for my graphics card at one point too because that was causing lag in some Blizzard games.

I had the exact same problem in HOTS and changing those settings fixed it so hopefully you can find something that'll make it better.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/31/20 9:08:01 PM
#168:


No, this issue ONLY happens on PC. On mobile I don't have the problem where it stops responding, but then I have the downside of having less time to do everything because the mobile animations are longer.

I tweaked a few more things following this step by step:
https://windowsreport.com/fix-hearthstone-issues-windows-10/

So I'll try another round or two and see if it still happens.

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Emeraldegg
03/31/20 11:10:40 PM
#169:


2 packs tonight, got an ysera and a golden priest epic!
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azuarc
04/01/20 2:06:30 AM
#170:


I will agree that battlegrounds is very volatile. I'll be playing, thinking I'm doing okay, with a meh comp that has somehow stayed in first place with ~30 health, and then I will literally get one-shot by someone with a board full of 5- and 6-star minions on turn 11 or 12 and go out in 6th place. That's happened to me three times this week, and it's only Tuesday.

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Camden
04/01/20 2:30:13 AM
#171:


It's happened to me twice recently, and both times it was against someone who picked up a Kalecgos.

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davidponte
04/01/20 6:05:16 AM
#172:


Just played my first match with the new ranked system and gained 9 stars for a win.

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skullbone
04/01/20 12:07:16 PM
#174:


Yeah I started with 8 stars per win and then once I hit Bronze 5 it went down to 7 stars. So every time you hit a new rank floor you lose 1 star our of the bonus. Also the win streak bonus doubles your stars so after 3 wins I was getting 14 stars per win.

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davidponte
04/01/20 1:23:06 PM
#175:


Yeah, just went down to 8 stars after hitting bronze 5, which took exactly 2 games from bronze 10.

Also got a golden Al'Akir in the pack for getting there, so that's cool.

So I assume based on the wording of "first time", you don't get these packs every month after the first time you reach any given rank, and instead will just get the card bonuses. I feel like those pack bonuses should be every month.
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skullbone
04/01/20 1:28:15 PM
#176:


Well you start at Rank 25 Bronze again every month so that would be a lot of packs for free but yeah I agree.

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metroid composite
04/01/20 4:55:29 PM
#177:


You get packs every month as an end-of season reward. Just you're also getting extra rewards the first time you reach a rank.

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davidponte
04/01/20 5:09:40 PM
#178:


skullbone posted...
Well you start at Rank 25 Bronze again every month so that would be a lot of packs for free but yeah I agree.

Gwent gives me so many free packs I don't know what to do with them!

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FFDragon
04/01/20 5:39:28 PM
#179:


Got up to Gold 8 just to get a feel for the new system, I really like the change.

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metroid composite
04/01/20 5:54:05 PM
#181:


UltimaterializerX posted...
The real benefit is that there doesn't feel like there's a penalty for losing.
Yeah, true. Some warrior when I was in bronze was taking a million years to decide their mulligan, and I was like "fuck this I don't want to deal with a roper" and just conceded to start the next game. Felt good to be able to do that without any real penalty.

I think the real test will be how we feel about this next month, or the month after, though. Once the novelty of "gaining so many stars" wears off.

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Camden
04/01/20 6:01:34 PM
#182:


https://i.imgur.com/eMT7uMt.png

I kind of don't want to open my brawl pack so I can keep that nice, round number for a little while longer.

Also, I apparently never got a second copy of Acornbearer?

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metroid composite
04/01/20 6:05:41 PM
#183:


Side note, getting regularly into legend should be much less time consuming now; I didn't realize it when it was announced, but while winstreaks don't apply in diamond 5 to legend, the star bonus still does, and the star bonus for legend is 10, which means you'll still have one bonus star in the diamond 5-1 category, so will get 2 stars for a win and 1 star for a loss.

Getting legend when you don't already have it will still be a pain, but maintaining legend once you've hit it should be fairly straightforward.

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skullbone
04/01/20 6:08:03 PM
#184:


I think you only need 3 stars to rank up instead of 5 now too but I could be wrong

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metroid composite
04/01/20 7:00:48 PM
#185:


skullbone posted...
I think you only need 3 stars to rank up instead of 5 now too but I could be wrong
Correct, so reaching legend from diamond 5 is about the equvalent of reaching rank 2 from old rank 5.

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MrSmartGuy
04/01/20 8:47:58 PM
#186:


This game isn't particularly funny or entertaining, but it IS absolutely fascinating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhHoJjTZaSs

Causing your opponent's entire hand to cost more than 10 mana is so devious.

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metroid composite
04/01/20 9:34:57 PM
#187:


Genuinely impressive on the fly thinking. I guess Dane is so used to weird games that he was just able to adapt on the fly, but I don't think I would have seen that line of play in the spur of the moment like that.

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MrSmartGuy
04/01/20 9:41:25 PM
#188:


Right? I'm pretty sure the opponent just kept recruiting more Lab Recruiters because they thought there was no way they were gonna lose, and it turns out to be the play that loses him the game because it makes him not get any 0 mana N'Zoths.

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metroid composite
04/01/20 10:38:22 PM
#189:


metroid composite posted...
Side note, getting regularly into legend should be much less time consuming now; I didn't realize it when it was announced, but while winstreaks don't apply in diamond 5 to legend, the star bonus still does, and the star bonus for legend is 10, which means you'll still have one bonus star in the diamond 5-1 category, so will get 2 stars for a win and 1 star for a loss.
Hmm...actually seems like I was wrong about this. Seems like when you have a star bonus of +1, it's going to be the same as not having a star bonus. So people with +11 starting star bonus get 2 stars for a win in diamond 5+, but people with +10 starting star bonus (baseline for legend) only get 1 stars for a win in diamond 5-1.

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metroid composite
04/02/20 12:32:36 AM
#190:


Side note, I like how the number of stars we get can be used as a way to roughly gauge our MMR. Like...I got a 9x starting multiplier in standard and a 10x starting multiplier in wild.

Not surprising to me, I feel much more comfortable with the wild metagame right now. But there was no real way of expressing this "well, I finished rank 5 in both standard and wild, so which one am I better at??"

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Camden
04/02/20 12:39:21 AM
#191:


I finished rank 23 on Asia and got 4 stars.

I finished rank 23 on EU and got 6 stars.

I finished rank 18 on NA and got 5 stars.

I haven't really been paying attention to how the new ladder works because I don't really play on ladder, but I'm not entirely sure how I managed to get more stars on EU than I did on NA.

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davidponte
04/02/20 9:28:27 AM
#192:


Alright the win streaks are a little insane, in a good way. I went from Silver 7 to Gold 8 in two games. Essentially skipped over an entire tier there.
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CybrMonkey
04/02/20 9:59:56 AM
#193:


I got 9 stars on both NA (rank 8) and EU (rank 21) and was very confused until I learned that it was MMR based. My Asia account which exclusively uses golden Whizbang (RIP) was on rank 15 and got 5 stars.

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metroid composite
04/02/20 11:39:12 AM
#194:


LOL, as soon as my star multiplier was used up (Diamond 10 for standard) I proceeded to go from a roughly 50%-55% winrate to a 100% winrate. Winstreaked straight to Diamond 5.

When your star multiplier is used up is when they start matchmaking you with people at the same rank as you (without a multiplier) instead of the same MMR range, so this isn't entirely unexpected behaviour. But I suppose it does mean that I was on the upper end of the MMR range for people who finished with a 9x multiplier.

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skullbone
04/02/20 12:02:06 PM
#195:


Yeah I won my first 5 games in a row and went from Bronze 25 to Gold 9.

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GANON1025
04/02/20 12:23:12 PM
#197:


Demon Hunter comes out today right?

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skullbone
04/02/20 12:24:54 PM
#198:


The first prologue mission comes out today. 1 a day from now until the 7th when Demon Hunter unlocks with the expansion

Edit: Or maybe the entire prologue unlocks today but Demon Hunter still isn't available until the 7th

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davidponte
04/02/20 12:49:44 PM
#200:


lmao

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metroid composite
04/02/20 4:35:29 PM
#201:


Demon hunter is out.

You can unlock it but not play it in most modes including practice mode and most single player modes.

BUT you can play it in Naxxramus for...some reason.

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