Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic #3 - "Demon blood is thicker than... regular blood."

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Uhhhh, did Swampqueen Hagatha break? I'm playing Highlander Quest Shaman and got two 5/5's that cast Feral Spirit and Eye of the Storm, and then Lava Burst and Vivid Spores. I was up against a Galakrond Warlock with an empty board and just figured I'd do the first then the second and just create a state they couldn't possibly clear and end the game, but it wouldn't let me cast the Lava Burst at his face. I had to kill my own 2/3 in order to use it.

Nowhere on Hagatha or Lava Burst has it ever said "only targets minions" or anything like that, and I have absolutely killed someone and been killed with a double battlecried Lava Burst before. What the fuck just happened? I still won, so I'm not upset, just extremely confused.

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Did they break Battlegrounds matchmaking during the game? I just faced off against Reno in three of the first five rounds in my last game.

Edit: In my current game, my first three opponents were Reno, Pyramid Guy, Reno. Reno won't leave me the hell alone.

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Token Druid against Paladin. I go off for a big turn, full board of taunted, buffed tokens and he is at 3 health with zero cards on the board. He plays Dragonqueen Alex, gets the 7/7 taunt and the Dragon the replays your opponents cards from last turn, one of which was the "Give your minions +2/+2 and taunt".

I'm fairly certain those were the exact two cards he needed to win, and he got them. Like even Deathwing would have been fine because I had a few more options in hand. He needed multiple 11/11 taunts and that's what he got.

That's at least enough Hearthstone for the next week for me. I feel like Ulti on his RNG rants.

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Hmm Highlander Libram Paladin sounds interesting now that you mention it...


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skullbone posted...

Hmm Highlander Libram Paladin sounds interesting now that you mention it...

Highlander Libram just sounds skethcy.

Often in Libram paladin I draw my Librams without drawing my cost reducers, or draw my cost reducers without drawing my Librams.

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Crafted Solarian Prime, and the very first time I played the card it trolled me. Three of the spells it cast were Conjurer's Calling. I was far enough ahead at that point that I was still able to get control of the board back, and the twinspell copies of them were nice even though I likely win without them, but this is not how I want to start a relationship.

My opponent also got trolled pretty good that game as well, as they played two copies of Puzzlebox and both of them left him worse off than when he started.

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I just got wrecked by Al'ar in wild. AMA.

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I saw a dragon hunter list on running that new 5/4 dormant for 2 mana, and the new secret and thought, yeah, that seems like a good fit in the deck, I'll try that out.

Tried it out in legend. Got destroyed, like 0-6.

The 5/4 dormant itself never really felt particularly impactful.

Also, demon hunters have all switched over to that new aggro list where they don't run any 7 drops or much healing and also run Warglaves of Azzinoth and it's a lot harder to deal with (at least for dragon hunter). They kind of do the thing that dragon hunters do, where they have a high durability 3 attack weapon, and can just keep clearing the board with it. Except they can clear 4 minions in one turn, instead of 4 minions over 4 turns. Well, RIP farming DH with hunter, they were farmable before, when they were running the 7 mana 6/7 Priestess of Fury for Rotnest Drake to dunk on, but I guess they finally realized that card was bad.

Also playing the 1 mana 2/2 into a turn 1 Crimson Sigil Runner that already drew a card feels awful; same mana spent, just down a card. I tried not doing that, coining out the 5/4 dormant--that was a mistake (allowed them to get a free 3/3 and I didn't live to see turn 5).

So anyway I switched back to Pure Paladin and gained back a bunch of ranks.

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I'm starting to see an Aggro Warrior deck that's REALLY annoying. It uses "damaged minion" synergy and it seems pretty strong honestly.

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/decks/aggro-warrior-200-legend-darkk-ashes-of-outland/

I'm losing to this deck more than Demon Hunter at this point!

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If you use Bloodsworn Mercenary on a Ruststeed Raider (after it hits something) will the copy keep the +4 damage or does it also lose it at the end of turn?

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I was two wins away from my first time ever getting to Legend with Highlander Priest and went through a bit of a slump. So I joined the dark side and started playing Galakrond Warlock. Well, I think the universe is punishing me for this decision because I just had possibly the most tilting loss I've ever suffered in Hearthstone in the mirror. It would've 100% gone on Trolden if I was a streamer.

My final card in the deck was Galakrond. My second-to-last card in the deck was Kronxx, so if I played it, I'd just turn on fatigue. My third-to-last card in the deck was a Veiled Worshipper, aka something that would've been incredibly useful to get to those cards, but not at that point!

So the turn I draw Kronxx, I decide to play Dragonqueen Alexstrasza and get Ysera Unleashed. OK awesome, that's potentially two more board reloads if I survive, but he has 3 minions with 8 attack on board, I'm at 17 health and have no taunt, and he hasn't played his Zephrys yet, so I'm probably just dead to Bloodlust. Sure enough, he plays it and then..... Blizzards me? So I'm stuck at 9 HP with a frozen board.

Out pops three dragons from Ysera and then finally my Galakrond. Still no taunts, so I sadly have to Plague of Flames away my massive board, then Galakrond away and hit him in the face to bring him down to 10. He has already used Alex on himself earlier, and he only has one Nether Breath left, so even if he clears my board, I can just Kronxx and second weapon charge for lethal. One of the four demons I get is dormant (keep this in mind).

On his turn, he responds with his own Plague of Flames, and spends too much mana to be able to Nether Breath, so he's stuck at 10 HP, ripe for the easy 10 damage I have left. My next turn starts and Kronxx isn't glowing. I can't play him. Oh, right, my dragons are coming in; I just have to wait for the animation to load, I guess. The first dragon pops up; it's a small one. Then comes a Zzeraku. Then another Zzeraku. That's kinda funny. Then a Deathwing. Then fatigue damages me. I now have a dormant demon, 4 dragons from Ysera, and suddenly two 6/6's from Zzeraku fatigue.

I can't play my Kronxx because I have no fucking room on the board.

I smack him in the face anyway to put him to 5 for next turn. He Twisting Nethers everything and Nether Breaths my face. I can't kill him with Kronxx anymore and I'm fatiguing faster because I put a bunch of Albatrosses in his deck, and I end up losing and I have a useless 5/4 that draws me at least 9 damage in fatigue if I play it. He deals with the Kronxx stuff and I have to concede to this guy who just gave up the most obvious Zephrys lethal there's ever been at Rank 2.

I need to take a break from this game. I played entirely too much of it today, in the hopes of getting over the legend hump and I'm kinda worried about my mental state right now.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

If you use Bloodsworn Mercenary on a Ruststeed Raider (after it hits something) will the copy keep the +4 damage or does it also lose it at the end of turn?

I'm guessing it doesn't but there's not really a reason it shouldn't

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I was two wins away from my first time ever getting to Legend with Highlander Priest and went through a bit of a slump. So I joined the dark side and started playing Galakrond Warlock. Well, I think the universe is punishing me for this decision because I just had possibly the most tilting loss I've ever suffered in Hearthstone in the mirror. It would've 100% gone on Trolden if I was a streamer.

My final card in the deck was Galakrond. My second-to-last card in the deck was Kronxx, so if I played it, I'd just turn on fatigue. My third-to-last card in the deck was a Veiled Worshipper, aka something that would've been incredibly useful to get to those cards, but not at that point!

So the turn I draw Kronxx, I decide to play Dragonqueen Alexstrasza and get Ysera Unleashed. OK awesome, that's potentially two more board reloads if I survive, but he has 3 minions with 8 attack on board, I'm at 17 health and have no taunt, and he hasn't played his Zephrys yet, so I'm probably just dead to Bloodlust. Sure enough, he plays it and then..... Blizzards me? So I'm stuck at 9 HP with a frozen board.

Out pops three dragons from Ysera and then finally my Galakrond. Still no taunts, so I sadly have to Plague of Flames away my massive board, then Galakrond away and hit him in the face to bring him down to 10. He has already used Alex on himself earlier, and he only has one Nether Breath left, so even if he clears my board, I can just Kronxx and second weapon charge for lethal. One of the four demons I get is dormant (keep this in mind).

On his turn, he responds with his own Plague of Flames, and spends too much mana to be able to Nether Breath, so he's stuck at 10 HP, ripe for the easy 10 damage I have left. My next turn starts and Kronxx isn't glowing. I can't play him. Oh, right, my dragons are coming in; I just have to wait for the animation to load, I guess. The first dragon pops up; it's a small one. Then comes a Zzeraku. Then another Zzeraku. That's kinda funny. Then a Deathwing. Then fatigue damages me. I now have a dormant demon, 4 dragons from Ysera, and suddenly two 6/6's from Zzeraku fatigue.

I can't play my Kronxx because I have no fucking room on the board.

I smack him in the face anyway to put him to 5 for next turn. He Twisting Nethers everything and Nether Breaths my face. I can't kill him with Kronxx anymore and I'm fatiguing faster because I put a bunch of Albatrosses in his deck, and I end up losing and I have a useless 5/4 that draws me at least 9 damage in fatigue if I play it. He deals with the Kronxx stuff and I have to concede to this guy who just gave up the most obvious Zephrys lethal there's ever been at Rank 2.

I need to take a break from this game. I played entirely too much of it today, in the hopes of getting over the legend hump and I'm kinda worried about my mental state right now.

Ouch, that bites. I would suggest taking a mental day for sure. Or maybe do a round of BG when constructed feels rough.

I'm sure you can hit legend this week though :D

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If you makes you feel any better I'm pretty sure Zephyrs is bugged right now and not giving good cards half of the time. People have reported not getting fireballs when enemy is at 6 hp which makes no sense.

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Man, I have had some weird conversations with people about balance with regards to Demon Hunter.

First it was reddit being super mad that Priestess of Fury wasn't nerfed. (A few days later and legend players aren't even including that card in decks anymore).

But today I had a real head scratcher--someone who thought Aldrachi Warblades should have its nerf reversed (it shouldn't--was run in every DH deck pre nerf and pretty much the highest winrate card in every deck) that Twin Slice is just a bad card that enables some good cards (ehh...I guess this one is possible? I think it would still be solid without synergies) and that Furious Felfin should be nerfed (what? High legend decks mostly aren't even running it...)

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Priestess was kinda infuriating but this Lower curve one works better in the mirror and against control warlock and druid, which rely on the mid game stabilizing and can really struggle against some aggressive starts

plus it has anti synergy with the outcast cards, especially altruis. which is probably the strongest card in the whole deck


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Played a decent amount again today. Reverted back to my Highlander Priest deck. If I'm gonna get mad at the game; might as well play a deck I at least enjoy. Sure enough, I started off immediately on a 9-1 stretch, which I guess is the universe rewarding me for leaving the dark side. Of course, that was only enough to put me one win away from Legend again. And then lost a bunch more. But more of the games were fun!

Had one where I Murozond'd a rogue's Wondrous Wand into Dragonqueen turn, and got free Galakrond and Soul Mirror off it, clearing their entire board and playing a Sandhoof on the back end. I don't remember my entire Hearthstone career, but I'm pretty sure that has a solid case for the single most insane turn I've ever had.

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Heeeeelllllllllllll yeah boiiiiiiiiii



It's funny, I had gone back and forth from Rank 1 two stars to Rank 1 three stars so many times, I had completely forgotten that this one was a three star match. It popped up that I was legend and I was like "oh yeah, that was a promotion match!"

Man, I'm glad I stayed up for this.

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Grats

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This is pretty amazing:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyAdorableStinkbugAllenHuhu

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Octosari was a mistake.

I kind of love Octosari.

It's like...simultaneously bad sometimes, while sometimes really good, and there have been times when Octosari was good enough to run in wild.

It's kind of exactly what I want to see out of high rarity cards--something with potentially a lot of power that's really hard to use, and that you don't need to craft in order to compete.

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In the right deck it's basically a more expensive Myra's which isn't terrible

There's a reason I haven't dusted mine yet

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I'm running a Dragon hunter list that also runs 1 beast, Zixor, Apex Predator.

Just had a game where BOTH turns that i'm about to play Scavenger's Ingenuity (to draw the ONE beast from my deck) I topdeck Zixor. Was something like a 1/18 followed by a 1/17. Consequently I have to play 4/4 Zixor instead of 7/7 and they just barely get cleared by the warrior "1 damage when a minion is played" AoE.

Felt bad.

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And i'm having 5-10 second DCs nearly EVERY FREAKING TURN now.

I don't understand why HS specifically is having connection issues. I have to decide on my play IMMEDIATELY because if I rope there is a 50/50 chance I wont get the play off.

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is this the fucking twilight zone



am I dreaming

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

And i'm having 5-10 second DCs nearly EVERY FREAKING TURN now.

I just went to start playing and there's a notice on the Battle.net startup that says they're undergoing DDoS attacks right now. So that's cool.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

is this the f***ing twilight zone

am I dreaming

I don't see either of those on the free meta report.

But...aggro decks always seem to overperform winrate a bit on HSReplay meta reports, and Totem Shaman and Murloc Paladin are both pretty aggro.

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RegisKillbin just did a video showcasing Totem Shaman, and it really does seem pretty strong. He shows that top tier in the first 10 seconds of it. Time to put Mass Dispel back in my Highlander Priest, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADdoIpwQPU&t=0s

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Almost time for Hearthstone Topic #4: Vengeance

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MrSmartGuy posted...

RegisKillbin just did a video showcasing Totem Shaman, and it really does seem pretty strong. He shows that top tier in the first 10 seconds of it. Time to put Mass Dispel back in my Highlander Priest, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADdoIpwQPU&t=0s

I mean, I played some totem shaman in wild, where you can pair Totemic Reflection with Primal Fusion and Totem Golem.

So...here's the thing, Totemic Reflection is the best card in the deck by fucking miles (in both standard and wild). Like...look at the drawn winrate stats on this deck: https://hsreplay.net/decks/4eXc1WxNTDTDIWhhQd82ob/ -- that's some Keleseth/Zephrys level winrate on Totemic Reflection. If you don't draw Totemic Reflection, though, you........just have a bad deck. At least that was my experience in wild.

I'll note that in Regis' video, he edits the video (his rank goes down sometimes between games that he won). He draws Totemic Reflection in every game he actually included in the youtube video. (In the video he...also talks about how he got legend off-stream by playing demon hunter).

I want to like this deck, I usually like making totem synergy decks for some reason, but god, decks that are all about drawing one card tend not to be that fun to me.

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### Boar Control
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Wild
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# 1x (1) Rapid Fire
# 1x (1) Smuggler's Crate
# 2x (1) Stonetusk Boar
# 1x (2) Bloodmage Thalnos
# 1x (2) Explosive Trap
# 1x (2) Flare
# 1x (2) Freezing Trap
# 1x (2) Hunter's Mark
# 1x (2) Scavenger's Ingenuity
# 1x (2) Zephrys the Great
# 1x (3) Animal Companion
# 1x (3) Deadly Shot
# 1x (3) Powershot
# 1x (3) Ramkahen Wildtamer
# 1x (4) Dire Frenzy
# 1x (4) Marked Shot
# 1x (4) Scrap Shot
# 1x (4) Witchwood Piper
# 1x (5) Azure Drake
# 1x (5) Explosive Shot
# 1x (5) Hunting Party
# 1x (5) Rotten Applebaum
# 1x (5) Tol'vir Warden
# 1x (6) Deathstalker Rexxar
# 1x (6) Reno Jackson
# 1x (6) Unleash the Beast
# 1x (7) Don Han'Cho
# 1x (8) Call of the Wild
# 1x (10) Zul'jin
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

*If you own Zilliax swap him in for the Applebaum

This has a decent winrate for a meme deck (inspired by Dog's standard Boar OTK deck). Would be interesting to see other people's variants of this kind of deck.

I also played against a guy today who was attempting some sort of strange buffed Knuckles + The Beast Within OTK. It didn't entirely work but he did about 20 face damage.
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I tried out demon hunter, hit legend

losses were to a Rogue that got off nutty draws from Galakrond, Res Priest, and I think a couple demon hunters (one OTK, one regular) beat every druid and warlock I saw cause I drew Battlefiend turn 1

I played the fast version and it cleans house.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/g0okne/hearthstone_team_ama_april_14/fnel6p8/?context=3

There will be additional changes coming shortly that is focused on Demon Hunter, Standard, Wild, and Arena.
For Demon Hunter, we are still monitoring the data as it comes in but expect 1 or 2 cards to see a change. We are thrilled by how players have responded to Demon Hunter, but we want the class to be in a healthy state for years to come. Will be adjusting as we see fit in order to get it into a great spot.
For other standard cards, we are looking at a number of cards including Sacrificial Pact, Bad Luck Albatross, Frenzied Felwing, and Kael'Thas. Some of these cards present some raw power that is just a little too high (Bad Luck Albatross, Frenzied Felwing), while a card like Kael'Thas can create some crazy swing turns but that's usually only fun for one player. Kael'Thas is a super interesting card though so we don't want to kill off his combo potential entirely.
When it comes to Sac Pac, we don't believe it is fun if it plays such a large role in the metagame. That says a lot about where the meta is and your ability to play certain cards. Also, it would be awesome to see more Jaraxxus!
For Wild, we know there has been a lot of very strong reactions to Quest Mage and Darkest Hour Warlock. These decks play in a one-player fashion similar to other decks we've nerfed in the past. There's going to be crazy combos in Wild, but we don't think these two decks in particular are healthy. Expect to see changes to Open the Waygate and Bloodbloom.

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I'm hoping they're just killing the Jaraxxus interaction, because it makes no sense to nerf Sac Pac in any other way whilst simultaneously saying Demon Hunter is still a little too strong.

We hear the request for auto-squelch, but still think it would be a net negative for the game. Emotes are implicitly good-natured

I'm not playing the same game as them.

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When asked if players should keep their wild cards:

Yes, the new game mode we plan to launch this year will allow you to use older cards and there will also be achievements that link into older expansions, so you may want to keep your Wild cards. We are a collectible card game and would like our players to feel better about their collection and its value. The recent change we made to prevent duplicates across all rarities in card packs was in part done to help here, and we want you to be able to collect the majority of an expansion for a reasonable price. - Ben

Yikes for those of us that dusted all of our cards

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Glad they're looking at Wild balance changes this early too. Very slowly becoming more than a meme game mode.

I ended up switching over to Wild ladder because the game gave me 9 bonus stars for that one and Quest Mage sucks ass to play against.

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Sac Pact will probably be changed to only affect a friendly demon. That is, after all, the design of the card. It's right there in the name.

Kael'thas fix is simple. "The third spell you play this turn is free." That way you get one big free spell, but there's no spamming of 0-cost spells just to crank out three pyroblasts or inner demons or ultimate infestations.

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