Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic #3 - "Demon blood is thicker than... regular blood."

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Forceful_Dragon
03/16/20 4:53:43 PM
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This is the topic for Hearthstone discussion.

A new expansion was just leaked. Here is some info.
https://hearthstone-decks.net/hearthstone-leak-16-03-2020/

It looks like polygon was the original source for leaked info, but they have since taken their article down.

And here's the hearthstone page from the b8 wikia:
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Hearthstone

The wikia page has not been updated in some time. Add yourself to the list if you aren't on it. I'm not really sure how that works.

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Forceful_Dragon
03/16/20 4:54:34 PM
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And here are some tags for people who have posted in the HS topic recently:

@MrSmartGuy
@azuarc
@FFDragon
@VeryInsane
@Camden
@davidponte
@skullbone

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Forceful_Dragon
03/16/20 4:56:05 PM
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@Emeraldegg
@UltimaterializerX
@Wedge_Antilles
@CybrMonkey
@GANON1025
@Ngamer64
@metroid_composite

And I think that's everything. Just wanted to have this ready since I imagine the previous topic will 500 shortly with the hype from the leaks.

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Wedge Antilles
03/16/20 5:13:17 PM
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I'm really worried for the state of the game with this coming expansion. DoD put the game in a really bad place due to way too powerful cards. Are they going to continue to let the game get further out of hand and continue it's slow death? Will they give us some weaker expansions to bring the power level down? But if they do, are we then stuck with the same Galakrond and Highlander meta we've had this expansion or do they give a bunch of the cards the Baku/Genn treatment and accept the dust hit?

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Emeraldegg
03/16/20 5:52:23 PM
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Yeah I just recently got back into it and the first thing I told MSG when I saw it was "wtf why did they print a 1 mana 2/2 neutral" and he goes "that's not even the tip of the insane **** they're doing right now"
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GANON1025
03/16/20 5:53:53 PM
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Make it more insane, more crazy IMO. More cool paladin reborn minions would also be appreciated

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FFDragon
03/16/20 6:00:43 PM
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I'm willing to give them this expansion + new year to fix things.

I've pretty much only played Battlegrounds since DoD.

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davidponte
03/16/20 6:12:53 PM
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I earned that tag on essentially a technicality after posting for the first time in months today.

I am ready to jump back in though. Played today and got like 12 packs through some event and special quests.
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Forceful_Dragon
03/16/20 6:15:13 PM
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I'm mostly just playing battlegrounds at the moment but I'm excited to see where things are going in Standard.

But first I really want to hit 8k in BGs :/

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skullbone
03/16/20 6:19:22 PM
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The game just got almost 10% more expensive, what are the chances they increase the number of cards in a pack?

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Camden
03/16/20 6:23:31 PM
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skullbone posted...
what are the chances they increase the number of cards in a pack?

lol

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skullbone
03/16/20 6:25:51 PM
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skullbone posted...
what are the chances they increase the number of cards in a pack?

lol

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VeryInsane
03/16/20 6:27:17 PM
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Battlegrounds is pretty fun though not gonna lie, got 7.5k now

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GANON1025
03/16/20 6:51:20 PM
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I actually really like the state hearthstone is in right now. Maybe I just find op stuff fun, but I dont know.

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VeryInsane
03/16/20 10:00:05 PM
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Its pretty swingy, but in all honesty the meta is kinda balanced, so long as you believe Shaman doesnt exist

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metroid composite
03/17/20 2:42:33 AM
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The meta is ok, but it's pretty hard to innovate.

Like...there are metas where I can do dumb experimental shit at rank 5 and get wins. This is not one of them. You're playing Galakrond, you're playing highlander, or you're playing a highly tuned aggro deck. Or if aggro gets too out of control, resurrect priest can sweep in. That's the meta.

From my experience don't try to run decks that are outside of that.

Like...what are some things I've experimented with....

I mean, purely with themes from the new set...

Dragon Priest used to be a thing way back in the day--how's that go? Yeah, good luck winning with that with the new cards.

Dragon Paladin got a bunch of cards, and it already had a dragon theme before this set--yeah, no I got zero wins even when playing in casual when I tried to just jam a bunch of dragons into a paladin deck.

To be clear, you can run some of the shiny new dragon synergy cards but only if you're like...supporting one of the three main archetypes (Galakrond/Highlander/Aggro). Like...Galakrond Warlock can run Nether Breath and Crazed Netherwing. That's fine. Similarly, you can run some paladin dragon synergy cards if you are running highlander paladin. And...Dragon Hunter is basically a face deck, so it's ok to run that.

IDK, I've gone back to mostly playing wild personally. Yeah, Galakrond decks exist in wild too, but there's still more room for innovation and deck variety.

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MrSmartGuy
03/17/20 2:48:44 AM
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Yeah, that sums up exactly how I feel about the state of Standard at the moment. I pride myself on never playing any of the top-tier decks and still reaching Rank 5 every month. But that's only led me to be stuck at Rank 10 for March, despite playing more Hearthstone than any other month thanks to spring break and corona. I've even started playing what I would guess are Tier 3 decks with stuff like Handlock and Highlander Priest and I still can't consistently win because Rogue and Hunter get completely out of control on an every game basis.

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metroid composite
03/17/20 3:18:54 AM
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Emeraldegg posted...
Yeah I just recently got back into it and the first thing I told MSG when I saw it was "wtf why did they print a 1 mana 2/2 neutral"
I will say though, a 1 mana 2/2 neutral has always been something they could print. It was never a question of "if" but "when".

Like...Mistress of Mixtures is a 1 mana 2/2 neutral with deathrattle heal both players for 4. And that was printed what...three to four years ago? If wild is any indication, not only is Mistress of Mixtures a better card than the new 2/2 (due to fitting into any slow warlock deck), a lot of old aggro 1 drops are also better than the new 2/2, all three of Glacial Shard and Fire Fly and Southsea Deckhand are seeing more play than the new 2/2.

Of course wild can be a little weird sometimes (Runic Egg and Skaterbot and Violet Spellwing are seeing play due to extreme synergy). But the point is...the 1 mana 2/2 doesn't really stand out and is basically not meta at all.

Even in Standard where it is meta, Technically on HSReplay it's only the 4th most included 1-drop right now (behind Praise Galakrond, Pharaoh Cat, and Dwarven Sharpshooter). Though sure, if we ignore class cards it's the best neutral 1 drop in standard (with #2 being fairly far behind; Mecharoo and Hot Air Baloon basically tied for #2-#3 cause they go into all the same mech decks, followed by Beaming Sidekick in 4th). Basically all the other good 1 drops rotated out a year ago.

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Emeraldegg
03/17/20 10:08:29 AM
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metroid composite posted...
or you're playing a highly tuned aggro deck.

So how far should I expect if I want to run shaman murloc
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davidponte
03/17/20 10:45:48 AM
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Dragon Hunter is the fun type of Aggro where you don't immediately lose after a board wipe or a single taunt minion.

Except the mirror sucks because its first to stick the weapon wins
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skullbone
03/17/20 12:22:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7L4Jzhebeo

Okay they didn't add more cards to packs but duplicate protection now applies to ALL rarities. No longer will you open 40 packs and get 6 copies of the same rare or 4 copies of the same epic.

That's pretty big honestly

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Forceful_Dragon
03/17/20 12:24:46 PM
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That is honestly pretty great!

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skullbone
03/17/20 12:31:54 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyC7HrKLea4

Livestream here

5 cards getting HOF:

Leeroy
Mountain Giant
Mind Control Tech
Acolyte of Pain
Spellbreaker

hmmm

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davidponte
03/17/20 12:35:03 PM
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Oh shit I'm hyped

Get fucked Leeroy
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Wedge Antilles
03/17/20 12:37:28 PM
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Leeroy should have been gone ages ago. Good choice. Should have gotten rid of Maly too though.

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skullbone
03/17/20 12:38:59 PM
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Priest cards getting HOF:

Auchenai Soulpriest
Divine Spirit
Holy Fire
Shadowform
Northshire
Prophet Velen

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davidponte
03/17/20 12:45:42 PM
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skullbone posted...
Priest cards getting HOF:

Auchenai Soulpriest
Divine Spirit
Holy Fire
Shadowform
Northshire
Prophet Velen


This is the best Hearthstone news I've ever gotten.

Rotate the entire Rogue class next please
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Emeraldegg
03/17/20 12:46:46 PM
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I didn't knwo shadowform was a problem card
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skullbone
03/17/20 12:48:26 PM
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They said that Shadowform isn't strong but they're just not going to ever print any support for it so might as well get rid of it. It doesn't fit into the Priest archetype anymore. They said Priest relied too much on burst damage and that was never the plan for the class identify.

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davidponte
03/17/20 12:50:38 PM
#34:


This matchmaking and ranked change is insane. Feels like an entirely new game
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davidponte
03/17/20 12:54:41 PM
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So without reading about the no duplicates rule, let's say I own every card in a set, other than the legendaries, am I just going to open 5 legendaries in a pack?
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Lopen
03/17/20 12:57:20 PM
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skullbone posted...
Priest cards getting HOF:

Auchenai Soulpriest
Shadowform

Well good way to guarantee I never play this game again right there. RIP

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skullbone
03/17/20 1:02:50 PM
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davidponte posted...
So without reading about the no duplicates rule, let's say I own every card in a set, other than the legendaries, am I just going to open 5 legendaries in a pack?

No then you just start getting duplicates

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davidponte
03/17/20 1:07:04 PM
#38:


skullbone posted...


No then you just start getting duplicates


Boo
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metroid composite
03/17/20 1:26:04 PM
#39:


skullbone posted...
Okay they didn't add more cards to packs but duplicate protection now applies to ALL rarities. No longer will you open 40 packs and get 6 copies of the same rare or 4 copies of the same epic.
Oh, I've wanted that for so long.

I get super stubborn about not crafting rares or commons when I sometimes don't open them.

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skullbone
03/17/20 1:39:24 PM
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Considering there are only 36 rare cards in an expansion you have a pretty good chance to get them all with about 60-80 packs now.

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metroid composite
03/17/20 1:42:32 PM
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skullbone posted...
Considering there are only 36 rare cards in an expansion you have a pretty good chance to get them all with about 60-80 packs now.
Yep. Whereas right now with 60-80 packs I tend to get really unlucky with rares, like get 6 of one 0 of another.

I also almost always get duplicate epics while getting 0 of most of them.

Pretty hyped for this change.

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Camden
03/17/20 2:20:55 PM
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I think the no dupe rule is the only news out of all of this that I actually like.

Edit: Never mind, Yogg is back!

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metroid composite
03/17/20 2:38:15 PM
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All the wild balance changes are live now, including Raza and Yogg.

Every opponent I've faced in wild on ladder has been Priest.

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VeryInsane
03/17/20 3:16:03 PM
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Are the battlegrounds changes live?

some of them look pretty damn good

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metroid composite
03/17/20 4:14:56 PM
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Apparently the patch notes list the cards that are having their nerfs reverted after they rotate as well:

Updates Planned for March 26
  • Dr. Boom, Mad Genius
  • Old: Cost 9 mana New: Cost 7 mana.
  • Giggling Inventor
  • Old: Cost 7 mana New: Cost 6 mana.
  • Raiding Party
  • Old: Cost 4 mana New: Cost 3 mana.
  • Reckless Experimenter
  • Old: Deathrattle minions you play cost (3) less, but die at end of turn. (Cost can't be reduced below 1.) New: Deathrattle minions you play cost (3) less, but die at end of turn.


Pretty much exactly what I expected, (except I thought Giggling would go back to 5 mana, since it actually wasn't a problem card at 5 mana pre-nerf).

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azuarc
03/17/20 4:21:04 PM
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Wow, active Hearthstone thread.

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FFDragon
03/17/20 5:50:22 PM
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#Istillbowdown

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GANON1025
03/17/20 5:56:56 PM
#49:


I love all these updates. I've been waiting SO LONG for a new class, and Demon Hunter looks cool!

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Camden
03/17/20 6:26:48 PM
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I assume there's wow lore for the name that I'm completely ignorant of, but I'm kind of annoyed that the new class is called Demon Hunter when we already have a class called Hunter.

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