Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic #3 - "Demon blood is thicker than... regular blood."

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metroid composite posted...

https://twitter.com/FenoHS/status/1241422505165967373

This is the kind of chaotic Hearthstone energy I live for.

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Incidentally, for those wondering how the new Maiev card will work:

https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/1241282619263684608

Dormant cards keep all enchantments when they wake up. (So no it's not a silence against magnetized mechs in wild or anything like that).

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I'm kinda curious if they'll be able to attack the same turn they wake up. Normal dormant cards can't attack the same turn they wake up.

Maiev + Kaelthas is going to setup a lot of silly things I think.

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skullbone posted...

I'm kinda curious if they'll be able to attack the same turn they wake up.

Pretty sure the answer is no for all dormant cards. (Unless they have charge or rush).

skullbone posted...

Maiev + Kaelthas is going to setup a lot of silly things I think.

Maiev + Clockwork Automaton in wild as well. With Cube you can set up an OTK with hunter or Bloodreaver Guldan hero powers. (And there's some setups for the Demonhunter metamorphosis hero powers as well).

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Welp, they've added another new archetype for Paladins. (This one looks good, though).

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Whoa whoa whoa, I dunno how they snuck this one by me, but they're not gonna have the whole "buy this many packs of new expansion, get a 3rd choice in Battlegrounds" thing this year? Instead, you're stuck with 2, unless you pay them $20 for the Tavern Pass, which lets you choose between 4. And then the pass runs out after the expansion, so you have to pay another $20. This announcement came out last week, but somehow I just realized what that meant for Battlegrounds, because when I saw that earlier, I read the words "4 arena tickets" and dismissed it as something I didn't care about.

Well that's nice, Battlegrounds is gonna be pay to win starting in 3 days, when every other autobattler on the planet has no such feature whatsoever. WTF Blizzard....

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I'm pretty sure you can still buy it with gold as well?

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2500, which is 100% designed to get you to spend money on it. In order to make 2500 gold playing exclusively Battlegrounds (which is the target audience for the pass), you have to play AT LEAST 750 games. If you go off a 50/50 winrate, that's 1500 games! That's around 600 hours of playtime! Making those big bucks at
*checks notes*
..... 3.3 cents an hour.

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I mean you can still do daily quests even if you're planning on playing Battlegrounds. You can easily get 2500 gold from daily quests before a new expansion drops. It might not be fun to make crappy decks for daily quests but if you don't want to do that you could just spend $20 every 4 months.

I think it's a dumb decision too but gotta monetize it somehow!

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I'm not too upset about the decision to monetize, I just feel like a recurring $20 payment three times a month is about twice as much as should be tolerated.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I just feel like a recurring $20 payment three times a month

Three times per year you mean.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled with it either. (Although I'm pretty happy with the changes to regular hearthstone to make it cheaper, so overall I'm fairly happy).

Are they actually reducing our number of choices in battlegrounds for heroes down to 2, though? I was under the impression that buying the pass increased choices up to 4, which implied to me that the rest of us plebs would stay on 3.

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If everyone else is at 2, then this is awful and I will boycott battlegrounds. If everyone else is at 3, then this sucks but at least battlegrounds is still playable.

$20 per expansion is bad if you aren't a dedicated battlegrounds player. If it's all you do for entertainment, sure, it's fine, but that's $5/month. I don't even like to spend money on regular Hearthstone, and generally haven't. I understand they need to make money off this from people who are foregoing the main game to play battlegrounds, but I feel like that's maybe a little too high. At the very least, I don't intend to pay it.

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They were real vague about it. Here's the quote from the announcement:
"If you currently have Battlegrounds bonus stats, choose from 3 Heroes, or visual emotes unlockedyou will get access to the equivalent new perk starting on March 26."

I don't know if "equivalent new perk" actually means "you keep your 3rd choices" or "we've found something else to give you so we can sell Tavern Passes". The way it's worded leads me to believe it's the latter. If it was the former, I don't feel like they would specifically mention the date. It would just read like "if you have these things, you will continue to have access to the equivalent perks for the upcoming expansion."

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Side note, one of the cards revealed earlier today was bugged/changed after the reveal video went out

https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/1242117550319652864

The Shaman AoE card that is being released does not damage itself. Totally did not catch that until like...hours after I had stopped paying attention to reveal news about the card and written it off as bad.

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Jaina and Succubus too sexy

https://www.powned.it/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/priestess-of-fury.jpg
Priestess of Fury A-OK

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Demon Hunter confirmed OP.

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The full decks for returning players have been revealed and they're...pretty good.

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fo9coo/free_deck_for_new_and_returning_players/

So...details--if you haven't logged in for 4 months as of March 17 you qualify.

Looking through all these decks, near as I can tell they either come with 3 legendaries...or 2 legendaries and 4 epics (4800 dust value either way). With the rest of the deck filled up with commons and rares (with the new duplicate rule, commons and rares are basically free anyway). All composed strictly of year of the dragon cards (rotation-proof).

The most exciting one is probably the Reno mage, since it has Zephrys, Alex, and Reno--two of these are neutral, and all cards that will be relevant for years (in wild at minimum). The deck doesn't actually look like a good stand alone deck, though. (Actual Reno Mage runs like...800 more legendaries than that).

The most functional one for an actual stand alone deck for someone who hasn't played in years and really doesn't have cards is up for debate; IDK maybe Treant Druid? Reddit seems to think it's Galakrond Rogue, but it's like -4 legendaries on the meta list (no Flik Skyshiv, Zilliax, Snip Snap, Leeroy. Sure, most of those are going to wild, but that will probably make the deck a lot less meta).

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This is the first co-op brawl where the All My Partners Are Idiots And Don't Realize It's Co-Op Disease has actually hit me. It was a good run while it lasted.

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Somewhere, Ravenholdt Assassin is quietly weeping.

https://media.hearthpwn.com/avatars/439/320/637207560641800071.png

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Stealth Rogue seems like it could be a scary deck if they keep printing support

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My fifth partner went Cho on 2 and Manastorm on 3 and we still managed to get a victory. Thank god these things aren't difficult or this would've taken all day.

Are all of the cards revealed now? I haven't watched the stream yet so at this point I'm just waiting until everything is available.

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skullbone posted...

Stealth Rogue seems like it could be a scary deck if they keep printing support

They got quite a bit of support in the card dump.

1 mana 3/1 stealth.

2 mana 3/2 give a stealth minion +3 attack and immune this turn.

The already revealed 3/3 that draws 2 cards if you have a stealth.

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What I've been keeping a close eye on though is Shaman, worst class right now, underwhelming reveals up until now, did they get anything in the last hour to change their position...and yeah, I think so.

Serpentshrine Portal is busted:

https://imgur.com/cN4uEnh

It's Flanking Strike. That can go face. And for 3 mana with overload 1 instead of 4 mana. Just everything about this card is good.

Marsh Spawn is also solid.

https://imgur.com/grnuNgP

Totemic Reflection also looks like it might be solid:

https://imgur.com/Pn4aNRT

Like if you just totem on 2, and use this on 3 and attack with your totem I think that's a perfectly solid play. Like a more limited but much stronger shattered sun cleric. Or on turn 5 if you roll a taunt totem, you can pretend that you just played Saronite Chain Gang. Not a card that is really knocking anyone's socks off, but just a card that is quietly pretty good for the cost and might add stability to Shaman's earlygame.

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Some notable cards that are quietly hiding in the giant card dump and didn't appear in the reveal stream:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fovhgt/new_card_felfin_navigator/

4 mana 4/4 murloc with battlecry give your murlocs +1/+1

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fovg6b/new_card_overgrowth/

Double wild growth for 4 mana. Quietly snuck this one in without revealing it in any stream (why??)

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fovfix/new_card_imprisoned_ganarg/

a 1 mana imprisoned card in Warrior. (I tend to think the 1 mana imprisoned cards will be the strongest ones, just because you don't fall behind very much by "wasting" 1 mana on an earlier turn). 2/2 plus a Firey War Axe.

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/founp8/new_card_immolation_aura/

This one was on the reveal stream, but it didn't really sink in how good it is (because it didn't do much in the stream). 2 mana deal 2 damage to all minions. That's like...a better Volcanic Potion.

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fovefb/new_card_frozen_shadoweaver/

It's a new version of Glacial shard. 2 more mana for +2/+2. Seems like a good trade--not having 1 health is a nice upgrade

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/foveo2/new_card_rocket_augmerchant/

Apparently the augmerchants are a cycle that give different keywords. This one looks like the best, because it can ping an enemy minion with no downside (and rush is also a solid keyword)

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fovdcc/new_card_scavenging_shivarra/

Neutral Dyn-o-matic at 6 mana. Pretty sure this will find a home, and it's common.

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Just looked through all of the cards, definitely some interesting stuff there. Of course half the stuff that looks fun or interesting won't be viable and the random card that everyone forgot will cause mass nerfs next month, as is tradition.

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Made it up to 7000 in Battlegrounds this morning, just in time to say I have, in case they set me down to 2 choices later today. Then I played one more, got 7th, and I'll just say that if I'm swearing off the game mode forever, at least I'm at the perfect rating now.


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Christmas patch is out.

Got my 12,100 dust. Thanks golden Leeroy and Velen!

Pack updates, Illidan in BG, Priest update and all that good stuff. But mostly DUST DUST DUST!

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• Cobalt Guardian has been removed from the Minion pool.
• Cobalt Guardian has been removed from the Minion pool.
• Cobalt Guardian has been removed from the Minion pool.
• Cobalt Guardian has been removed from the Minion pool.
• Cobalt Guardian has been removed from the Minion pool.

They replaced him with this card:
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/90/903M1A9NF1HS1584995856560.png

Not quite as good but could still be annoying.

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So it's got lower base stats in exchange for higher stats when you summon more microbots, and...I guess you can't give it divine shield out of the gate. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing for mech builds, since you were always forced into running Cobalt first. Now you can lead with your cleaves, deathrattles, and DS poppers. Typically you wasted one of your mech summons anyway. Now you just line it up to attack after your taunt dies. I *guess* it makes a difference for builds that bought a cobalt, played a single mech later, and then just left a 8/5 or 9/3 cobalt on the field, but were those really any worse than the 2/1 Divine Shield dragon?

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It has divine shield out of the gate.

Also living roots is epic right now for some reason if you want even MORE DUST

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oh derp. Okay, so then what's the advantage of removing cobalt for this? Slightly weaker without microbots summoned, I guess, but that isn't really solving the cobalt problem. What (else) am I missing?

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Yeah thinking about it now this card really only needs a 2/2 buff to land on it for it to be BETTER than Cobalt. Sooo yeah I guess we'll see how it goes. Cards that refresh divine shield have the highest potential to be busted in battlegrounds I think. That new Murloc that refreshes divine shield is powerful and it's a 6 cost.

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I think the fact that its weaker in the mid game and needs more setup is pretty big, you could just slot a 6/3 cobalt without a reset and still do pretty well through the mid game before transitioning to something else, you can

that said mechs needed a decent replacement otherwise it would be way too weak late game, think this works

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If they want more unique mechanics then mechs should do something with spare parts in Battlegrounds. Instead of standard "give a mech +2/2" or the same buffs that every other class gets they could do "add a random spare part to your hand" instead. Since they're random they could be a little stronger than normal buffs. Tier 6 card could add a spare part at the start of every turn or something.

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Went to play some Highlander Priest with some of the updated cards and Hearthstone keeps telling me I can't do that in Standard yet. =/

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FFDragon posted...

Also living roots is epic right now for some reason if you want even MORE DUST

Probably don't dust it though, since you'd be exploiting a bug, and Blizzard tends to be a bit harsh about that. (And at least for me I dusted all my duplicates of living roots a while ago, so the dust gain from dusting living roots now into crafting it back as a common later would be like...120 dust profit assuming Blizzard doesn't just NOPE and subtract 200 dust from my account).

New Cobalt looks strong in mech comps, but weak in other comps. Starting with divine shield is a big deal in the early-midgame; sometimes you just had to go into battle with a non-divine shield 6/3, and that was bad. Sometimes you had to buy a mech you didn't really want and that was bad.

MrSmartGuy posted...

Went to play some Highlander Priest with some of the updated cards and Hearthstone keeps telling me I can't do that in Standard yet. =/

Weird, I've been playing the newly buffed classic cards in standard, and played against other people with new cards like Shadow Word Ruin.

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Oh, it started letting me an hour or so after I posted it that.

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Serverside hotfix to all the various bugs:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/fq8pzk/170_hotfix_update/

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Wasn't paying attention in my current BG run.

Rolled rafaam.

Bought a unit on 2 and used hero power, because i'm rafaam and that's what you do.

Ran into turn 2 AFKay and realized I should have leveled on two like everyone else :/

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Rafaam should actually level on 2 a lot more than people actually do.

If you find good 1 stars, sure, buy em and hero power, but if you're finding like mecharoo level 1-drops, nah just level.

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I hopped on my alt account I made a long time ago and hadn't been on for at least 2 years so I could play Battlegrounds with Emerald without destroying my rating, and it led me to play the Outland prologue first, for some reason. So if you wanna see the prologue a week early, there's your avenue, I guess.

Also, if you want to play against Demon Hunter early, you can totally do so by going to solo and practicing against the Innkeeper.

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Oh you can also invite friends to play battlegrounds with you if you want, but it only works one way

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Did they rework daily quests? For a while you always got at least a 60 gold quest, usually Play 3 as X/Y/Z, and if you rerolled it you got an 'easier' 50 gold one instead. Last couple of days I've just been seeing 50s from the start.

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Camden posted...

Did they rework daily quests? For a while you always got at least a 60 gold quest, usually Play 3 as X/Y/Z, and if you rerolled it you got an 'easier' 50 gold one instead. Last couple of days I've just been seeing 50s from the start.

I rerolled a 50g into a 50g into a 50g, so maybe yeah. Did still get a 60g naturally today though, but still hoping I can reroll this 50g into a 60g.

Meanwhile, I did what I normally do at set rotation and manually disenchanted extra copies of cards going to wild. (I keep all my excess copies of everything in standard in case of nerfs and hall of fames, but very little gets nerfed in wild so I can get rid of all the extras all at once).

Messed up for one card, though--had a golden copy and 9+ non-golden copies. Disenchanted the non-golden copies first and was mashing the button, and apparently it lets you go down below 2 copies without warning you if you have golden copies. Whoops. Ended up disenchanting the golden copy anyway and re-crafting the non-golden copy cause that's still more dust in the bank (50 for disenchanting golden, 40 to craft non-golden), and I really hate having half-and-half golden/nongolden in my decks. Not really a big mistake or anything (a whole 35 dust I will never get back) but I'm still mad that I messed that up.

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I don't like mixed decks either. I dust everything golden even if I don't have non-golden versions of the cards, and if I want the card that bad I'll use the dust from the golden copy to craft a regular one which I've done a few times before. The exceptions to this rule are the obviously undisenchantable basics which I would love to be able to get rid of even if I got no dust from it, and a golden Whizbang I made on a different region.

Waiting to disenchant cards is smarter, and I should probably do it since I've got something like 30,000 dust I'm not in a hurry to use anyway so it's not like I need it immediately, but I think the main reason I don't is similar to the above, where I just want to get rid of what I don't want/need and have it done with.

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I used to just disenchant all my goldens (or goldens where I already had 2 copies). Because I tend to just make all non-golden decks for consistency. But what I realized was that if I have something in golden and then it gets nerfed? I make massive bank. Like...golden common that gets nerfed? 400 dust. That's like dusting a legendary, it's so much.

But the flip side is that if I literally never dust duplicates I also effectively miss out on a lot of dust.

Which......is why I compromise and wait for stuff to go to wild as my moment to dust duplicates.

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I keep goldens only if it leads to other goldens. Some examples of ones I have are Lab Recruiter, Witching Hour, and Bronze Explorer. Lab Recruiter can give goldens of any minion!

Or some just look really cool, like Cabal Shadow Priest. And then I'm keeping Thalnos because he was my first ever golden legendary.

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Man I lose so many Battlegrounds games where I'm one turn away from going nuts.

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....... I just got a quest to win games with Demon Hunter.

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