Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals

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Leafeon13N posted...

Conspiracy folks going full crazy here.

This topic is exactly why the bots are able to work effectively.

i agree, the people who believe hillary clintons conspiracy theory uncritically just because they don't like tulsi gabbard are very crazy.

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I see no reason to buy into a conspiracy theory against Hillary Clinton (who is pointing out the obvious), given that Bernie Sanders is in the field, and if Hillary was REALLY trying to take revenge on someone for screwing her over...he would surely be at the top of her list. Yet no one is attacking Bernie for being a Russian asset, or even really shitting on him at all.

It's almost like there's some OTHER reason why Tulsi Gabbard would be considered a reasonable choice for a Russian asset. Now, why would Russian's want to support a woman who goes on Tucker Carlson, is backed by Breitbart, constantly claims the DNC is rigged and out to get her, and seems to carry a BUNCH of right-wing social views that she tucks away to maintain her status of a "progressive".
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The media is regularly against Bernie by any objective measure, Hillary is not pointing out the obvious at all (Tulsi is irrelevant and done more to fight for US interests than Hillary by any objective measure, Hillary believes soldiers should die for useless wars and Tulsi does not) and the media is almost consistently shitting on him in every way, and he was accused of being a Russian asset in 2016 by Hillary's camp. He has been constantly attacked and hidden by the media, and Hillary supporters from 2016. You are absolutely living in a total fantasy.

The reason Tulsi appeals to right wingers has nothing to do with Russia and everything to do with being a paleoconservative.

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this is the most attention tulsi gabbard has ever gotten in her life and its way too much
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The Mana Sword posted...

this is the most attention tulsi gabbard has ever gotten in her life and its way too much

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The only "Trump voters" Tulsi 3rd party steals are the former ones who are dissatisfied with him but would probably stay home otherwise. She would have no tangible effect on him regardless of what her views actually align to.
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https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1185553863606259712?s=19

Whoops

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Let's not forget the time Tulsi Gabbard praised Putin in order to slam Obama.

Funny how last time she supported Bernie Sanders, and now all of a sudden she's slamming Medicare for All, which is a BIG part of Bernie's platform. Like... if you had to define Bernie's platform, it'd literally be "Medicare for all" So what changed between then and now?
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Leafeon13N posted...

Conspiracy folks going full crazy here.

This topic is exactly why the bots are able to work effectively.

How the fuck is it a conspiracy theory to ask for evidence for a claim??

Why are you like this?
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Ashethan posted...

Funny how last time she supported Bernie Sanders, and now all of a sudden she's slamming Medicare for All, which is a BIG part of Bernie's platform. Like... if you had to define Bernie's platform, it'd literally be "Medicare for all" So what changed between then and now?

Shes running for President, getting 1%, and the majority of her supporters are not on the Left?
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Remember when mitt romney was mocked for saying Russia was the biggest global threat to us?

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A few things:

1. Hillary's warmongering sucks
2. Tulsi is not a Russian asset geesh
3. Tulsi however has gone way backwards in policy positions this primary season, so boo for that
4. The Media is heavily biased against Bernie, like super clearly. I guess biased against Tulsi too, but I don't care much about that anymore since she decided to attack good policy for some reason.
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Someone has already stated this, but being an asset does not mean willful cooperation. It just means you are in some way benefitting the group classifying you as an asset.

It would be next to impossible to prove in this instance that Tulsi is classified as an asset without some high level leak and/or defections, but it's not exactly like there aren't signs to make an educated guess about it.
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There's been handfuls of pro-Tulsi articles on RT and some of the twitter bots seem to support her as well. I'm not saying that's where literally all of her support comes from or that it's going to end up a credible threat. I'm not even sure what their end goal is or if it's aligned with hers. But I don't think it is a stretch or conspiracy at all to say she is clearly favored by Russian propaganda outlets for some reason, hence "Russian asset."

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uhhh dumb idiot here

can somebody explain to me why Russia is bad?

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Like, in general? Or why its bad that they interfere in American politics?
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Well for starters, Russia is a nationalist conservative Christian nightmare country.

Of course, the USA is like this too. But some Americans like it here and would like it to not be that!

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kevwaffles posted...

Someone has already stated this, but being an asset does not mean willful cooperation. It just means you are in some way benefitting the group classifying you as an asset.

It would be next to impossible to prove in this instance that Tulsi is classified as an asset without some high level leak and/or defections, but it's not exactly like there aren't signs to make an educated guess about it.

Literally nobody is saying Tulsi isnt saying thing Russians like.

Were saying Hillary said the words groomed to be 3rd party. Groomed implies direct instruction or training.

I think its also worth noting that half of the articles about this literally call it a Theory, so its pretty fucking stupid to call us conspiracy theorists for asking for proof of a theory.
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To be fair, I was only referring to the HILLARY IS ATTACKING TULSI OUT OF REVENGE FOR ENDORSING BERNIE IN 2016, HILLARY BAD, REEEEEEEEEEEEE attitude when I talked about conspiracy theories.
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I mean I'll guess we will see if Tulsi suddenly has the funds and standing to make a third party run later on despite saying she wouldn't. Her strategy is pretty nonsense and she's switched it enough times for attention that I don't think that's completely out of the realm of reasonable possibility.

Hillary is obviously salty about losing to third party/nonvoters in 2016, but if that happens she'll be both salty and correct!

Edit: And honestly I don't know what Gabbard's other plan would be after this. She has to be drawing enough negative attention to have people left of her considering primarying her at this point, right?

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Tulsi already has one primary challenger. I know basically nothing about them though <_<

Looking into it she seems to be pretty overwhelmingly popular in her district for past primaries and elections so I guess she really can do whatever the hell she wants

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Espeon posted...

To be fair, I was only referring to the HILLARY IS ATTACKING TULSI OUT OF REVENGE FOR ENDORSING BERNIE IN 2016, HILLARY BAD, REEEEEEEEEEEEE attitude when I talked about conspiracy theories.

Is it a conspiracy theory to assume a vindictive person is being vindictive when they say something outlandish with no evidence? Thats a pretty low bar for conspiracy.

In hilariously embarrassing news, Tulsi is literally calling for Hillary to enter the race to face her.
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*Hillary enters the Hawaii Senator race*
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tulsi: fite me irl
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Tony i never said this was a conspiracy theory, but that has been your defining characteristic here for the last year.

Basically, it was a nicer way to define you as opposed to just flat out say you are so gullible that you are the type of person that would be influenced by Russian bots.

Clinton being salty at Tulsi for the reason of endorsing Bernie in 2016 is just utterly stupid

like for fuck's sake you don't think it has anything to do with I don't know, Tulsi inexplicably using her debate time to go after Clinton repeatedly? the big democratic event that just happened less than a week ago?

I don't even know why you'd want to link Tulsi to Bernie like that, gross
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Leafeon13N posted...

Tony i never said this was a conspiracy theory, but that has been your defining characteristic here for the last year.

Basically, it was a nicer way to define you as opposed to just flat out say you are so gullible that you are the type of person that would be influenced by Russian bots.

Im literally the one questioning and Im gullible?

Youre wrong and being incredibly stupid.

Like, I ask questions of literally everyone when I dont understand or believe something, thats the exact opposite of that.
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Why would Tulsi be afraid? She makes sense and she's popular with her supporters. The national Democratic Party and Hillary look to have lost their minds over her.

I sense some jealousy from Hillary. She sees Tulsi may become the first female president in 2024 and it makes her jealous.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Clinton being salty at Tulsi for the reason of endorsing Bernie in 2016 is just utterly stupid

like for fuck's sake you don't think it has anything to do with I don't know, Tulsi inexplicably using her debate time to go after Clinton repeatedly? the big democratic event that just happened less than a week ago?

I don't even know why you'd want to link Tulsi to Bernie like that, gross

Bernie is only the smallest piece of it. We KNOW Hillary holds a grudge against Bernie, she wrote it in her book.

But when Tulsi endorsed Bernie, she did so by leaving the DNC and specifically saying it was incredibly corrupt and controlled by Hillary
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red sox 777 posted...

I sense some jealousy from Hillary. She sees Tulsi may become the first female president in 2024 and it makes her jealous.

How can she be the first when Warren will win in 2020?

I'm fine with Republicans running Tulsi in 2024 though.
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https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1185371843957526528?s=21

Goofy pandering tweet defending Tulsi, disappointing to see from Yang.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/andrewyang/status/1185371843957526528?s=21

Goofy pandering tweet defending Tulsi, disappointing to see from Yang.

Bottom feeders are desperate for attention at this point.

Especially since i dont think any of them got a boost from the debate.

Tulsi and Yang have a lot of overlap so that's not too surprising. There's a small contingent of Bernie/Yang/Tulsi internet people that have the same energy of the people that went from Bernie to Trump in 2016.

Edit: oh yeah there they are in the comments
https://twitter.com/ZG1788/status/1185372147440640000?s=19

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Tulsi and Yang have a lot of overlap so that's not too surprising. There's a small contingent of Bernie/Yang/Tulsi internet people that have the same energy of the people that went from Bernie to Trump in 2016.

A lot of the bots have been posting pro tulsi stuff in bernie twitter/reddit threads. I haven't seen enough yang stuff to botcheck but they've definitely been courting the outraged bernie crowd.

yeah as someone who does like a fair chunk of Yang's input. he and Tulsi have had an overlap that is more vehemently spiteful of the rest of the party
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Groomed implies direct instruction or training.

I mean it really doesn't when you're talking literal espionage tactics.
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Leafeon13N posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Tulsi and Yang have a lot of overlap so that's not too surprising. There's a small contingent of Bernie/Yang/Tulsi internet people that have the same energy of the people that went from Bernie to Trump in 2016.

A lot of the bots have been posting pro tulsi stuff in bernie twitter/reddit threads. I haven't seen enough yang stuff to botcheck but they've definitely been courting the outraged bernie crowd.

How can you tell the bot-ness of someone?
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I would assume frequency of recent posting, mostly.

Sometimes they basically don't hide it by creating long chains of propaganda images every time a specific person posts regardless of what they post.
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he mentions the how -- botcheck
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Tulsi always playing the veteran card is such bullshit

There was a twitter thread I'm trying to find from the former lead of Veterans for Bernie. One time Bernie had to cancel a meeting with them to discuss their issues for a meeting with the Pope leading up to the 2016 election, and they were a little peeved about it but whatev. But Tulsi was sent to talk to them instead, and Tulsi flat out told them "Pandering to veterans isn't going to win the election" as a reason for why it was okay.
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SEP I've noticed you really hate Tulsi. Like um, she served for many years it isn't a 'card' she was a field medic. Like wtf lol.
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trdl23 posted...

How can you tell the bot-ness of someone?

If they post something you don't want to hear, they are a bot.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

SEP I've noticed you really hate Tulsi. Like um, she served for many years it isn't a 'card' she was a field medic. Like wtf lol.

She flat out told another veteran to his face that he and others didn't matter because they weren't going to help them win the election.

But now she's suddenly "I speak for veterans everywhere"

C'mon, that's bullshit
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I'd need to see the exact quote because that'd be really weird to say it like that. I can see some phrasings that are similar and nowhere near as ugly.
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vet card is always trash

although Pete did it worse last week
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Found it

https://twitter.com/USMCLiberal/status/1185346410381742082

When I asked her why the campaign wasnt promoting Vets For Bernie, she saidand Im quoting hereappealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.

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I don't know it has always been pretty compelling to me that Tulsi went from medic to "ok yeah fuck wars I literally have seen some shit and this is just fucked up."

Not so much as a vet card as much as a medic card to me, really.
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I mean not to be mean (I am always mean) but he is upset Bernie met with the Pope instead of him.

I mean. Yeah. Sorry if I don't care what this guy claims happened. Also I will say this again and again: I like Tulsi best when I look over her voting record, she apparently doesn't know when to shut up though.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I mean not to be mean (I am always mean) but he is upset Bernie met with the Pope instead of him.

I mean. Yeah. Sorry if I don't care what this guy claims happened.

No, he was upset that Bernie cancelled on an event with many veterans in NYC to go meet with the Pope.

But he even says he's over that incident, and it's the crap Tulsi did that really stung

I'm honestly not surprised you asked for receipts and then just handwaved them, though.

"I don't believe that was what was said. Oh, it was? I don't care that was what was said."
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