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HeroDelTiempo17 10/21/19 4:53:11 PM #452:	red sox 777 posted... To be quite honest, if anyone is a Russian "asset" it's Hillary. Probably an unwitting one, but they read her like a book and everything she does eventually turns out to Russia's advantage. Without the Hillary campaign, Donald Trump never gets elected president. If Tulsi Gabbard wanted a campaign boost, I have trouble thinking of anything that would help her nearly as much as Hillary's comments. If Tulsi is a Russian asset then Hillary surely is too. I mean...yes, kind of? We already know Russia is trying to influence elections. Hillary was obviously part of that strategy in 2016. So was Bernie! Difference being, they both actively fought against it, whereas Tulsi became defensive and I don't think gave a good explanation. Pointing out that Russian propaganda favors and disfavors certain candidates when we have clear evidence should not be this controversial. It's been blown way out of proportion by now but it should still be a concern and cause for skepticism. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929060292] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>To be quite honest, if anyone is a Russian "asset" it's Hillary. Probably an unwitting one, but they read her like a book and everything she does eventually turns out to Russia's advantage. Without the Hillary campaign, Donald Trump never gets elected president. If Tulsi Gabbard wanted a campaign boost, I have trouble thinking of anything that would help her nearly as much as Hillary's comments. If Tulsi is a Russian asset then Hillary surely is too.</quote> I mean...yes, kind of? We already know Russia is trying to influence elections. Hillary was obviously part of that strategy in 2016. So was Bernie! Difference being, they both actively fought against it, whereas Tulsi became defensive and I don't think gave a good explanation. Pointing out that Russian propaganda favors and disfavors certain candidates when we have clear evidence should not be this controversial. It's been blown way out of proportion by now but it should still be a concern and cause for skepticism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagSEP 10/21/19 4:53:27 PM #453:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Reg posted... HashtagSEP posted... Isn't that article by the same guy that wrote one saying the whistleblower isn't actually a whistleblower and it's all just the latest in partisan in-fighting and propaganda and that those pushing said whistleblower are just as bad as Trump Yep https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/ Uh, did you guys...did you guys even read the article? Hes using the Ukraine whistleblower to decry the treatment of whistleblowers in the past, at the end he even acknowledges that the person could end up the same way, but hypothesizes there would be selective outrage by the media against Trump and ignoring the awful precedent there is for treatment of whistleblowers. In 2016 we saw a pair of electoral revolts, one on the right and one on the left, against the cratering popularity of our political elite. The rightist populist revolt succeeded, the Sanders movement did not. Ukrainegate to me looks like a continuation of Russiagate, which was a reaction of that defeated political elite to the rightists. I dont feel solidarity with either group. That sounds about right. Actual whistleblowers are alone. The Ukraine complaint seems to be the work of a group of people, supported by significant institutional power, not only in the intelligence community, but in the Democratic Party and the commercial press. The argument thats supposed to be galvanizing everyone right now is the idea that we need to stand up and be counted, because failing to rally to the cause is effectively advocacy for Trump. This line of thinking is based on the presumption that Trump is clearly worse than the people opposing him. He's doing both. EDIT: He's a heavy denier of Russia being involved in anything, and likening "Ukrainegate" to "Russiagate" suggests he thinks there's no real whistleblower, either. --- #SEP #Awesome #Excellent #Greatness #SteveNash #VitaminWater #SmellingLikeTheVault #Pigeon #Sexy #ActuallyAVeryIntelligentVelociraptor #Heel #CoolSpot #EndOfSig <cite>HashtagSEP posted [p:929060301] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Reg posted...</cite> <quote>HashtagSEP posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't that article by the same guy that wrote one saying the whistleblower isn't actually a whistleblower and it's all just the latest in partisan in-fighting and propaganda and that those pushing said whistleblower are just as bad as Trump</quote> Yep https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/whistleblower-ukraine-trump-impeach-cia-spying-895529/</quote> Uh, did you guys...did you guys even read the article? Hes using the Ukraine whistleblower to decry the treatment of whistleblowers in the past, at the end he even acknowledges that the person could end up the same way, but hypothesizes there would be selective outrage by the media against Trump and ignoring the awful precedent there is for treatment of whistleblowers.</quote> <quote>In 2016 we saw a pair of electoral revolts, one on the right and one on the left, against the cratering popularity of our political elite. The rightist populist revolt succeeded, the Sanders movement did not. Ukrainegate to me looks like a continuation of Russiagate, which was a reaction of that defeated political elite to the rightists. I dont feel solidarity with either group.</quote> <quote>That sounds about right. Actual whistleblowers are alone. The Ukraine complaint seems to be the work of a group of people, supported by significant institutional power, not only in the intelligence community, but in the Democratic Party and the commercial press.</quote> <quote>The argument thats supposed to be galvanizing everyone right now is the idea that we need to stand up and be counted, because failing to rally to the cause is effectively advocacy for Trump. This line of thinking is based on the presumption that Trump is clearly worse than the people opposing him.</quote> He's doing both. EDIT: He's a heavy denier of Russia being involved in anything, and likening "Ukrainegate" to "Russiagate" suggests he thinks there's no real whistleblower, either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/21/19 4:57:06 PM #454:	We should call her Tulti Gabbard because we are literally obsessed. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:929060483] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>We should call her Tulti Gabbard because we are literally obsessed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 5:05:30 PM #455:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... The entire point of posting that article is to start a discussion that when you label Trump a Russian asset, and Jill Stein a Russian asset, and Tulsi a Russian asset, and Bernie a Russian asset, then youre basically DOING what Russia wants, which is causing division, and to what end? Except for Trump and Stein, who we know have direct ties, youre just muddying your own position and making yourself look petty, people who arent plugged in see it similarly to the Trumpian every Republican who disagrees is part of the Liberal Deep State statements. Whos calling Bernie a Russian asset? --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929060834] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>The entire point of posting that article is to start a discussion that when you label Trump a Russian asset, and Jill Stein a Russian asset, and Tulsi a Russian asset, and Bernie a Russian asset, then youre basically DOING what Russia wants, which is causing division, and to what end? Except for Trump and Stein, who we know have direct ties, youre just muddying your own position and making yourself look petty, people who arent plugged in see it similarly to the Trumpian every Republican who disagrees is part of the Liberal Deep State statements.</quote>Whos calling Bernie a Russian asset? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/21/19 5:09:01 PM #456:	theres definitely some weirdo Clinton holdouts who do that --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:929060981] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>theres definitely some weirdo Clinton holdouts who do that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 5:11:41 PM #457:	Lev Parnas appears to have been involved with the Trump legal team during the Mueller investigation: https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1186256038212845568?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929061079] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Lev Parnas appears to have been involved with the Trump legal team during the Mueller investigation: https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1186256038212845568?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 10/21/19 7:21:59 PM #458:	The absolute worst accounts on Twitter and the only ones I bother blocking are the mild conservathots. You know who I mean: Bridget Phetsay, Pardes Seleh, Aella, etc. They're all the same and are horrible traps: young, cute, female, occasionally mildly critical of woke culture such that all the old boomer neocons immediately assume they must be just like them, but very careful to not step over the line enough to provoke leftist hate mobs, or to ever explicitly identify as conservative/republican/whatever. Say what you will about an Ann Coulter, or even a Kaitlyn Bennent, but at least they are willing to pay the cost and put up with the constant leftist hatred and harassment. The milds don't even have to go through that. It's pathetic, really. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:929066415] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>The absolute worst accounts on Twitter and the only ones I bother blocking are the mild conservathots. You know who I mean: Bridget Phetsay, Pardes Seleh, Aella, etc. They're all the same and are horrible traps: young, cute, female, occasionally mildly critical of woke culture such that all the old boomer neocons immediately assume they must be just like them, but very careful to not step over the line enough to provoke leftist hate mobs, or to ever explicitly identify as conservative/republican/whatever. Say what you will about an Ann Coulter, or even a Kaitlyn Bennent, but at least they are willing to pay the cost and put up with the constant leftist hatred and harassment. The milds don't even have to go through that. It's pathetic, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/21/19 7:36:18 PM #459:	SmartMuffin posted... The absolute worst accounts on Twitter and the only ones I bother blocking are the mild conservathots. You know who I mean: Bridget Phetsay, Pardes Seleh, Aella, etc. They're all the same and are horrible traps: young, cute, female, occasionally mildly critical of woke culture such that all the old boomer neocons immediately assume they must be just like them, but very careful to not step over the line enough to provoke leftist hate mobs, or to ever explicitly identify as conservative/republican/whatever. Say what you will about an Ann Coulter, or even a Kaitlyn Bennent, but at least they are willing to pay the cost and put up with the constant leftist hatred and harassment. The milds don't even have to go through that. It's pathetic, really. Muffin, I've never heard of these people other than Ann Coulter. Apparently I don't need to block them not to see their posts. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929067035] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>The absolute worst accounts on Twitter and the only ones I bother blocking are the mild conservathots. You know who I mean: Bridget Phetsay, Pardes Seleh, Aella, etc. They're all the same and are horrible traps: young, cute, female, occasionally mildly critical of woke culture such that all the old boomer neocons immediately assume they must be just like them, but very careful to not step over the line enough to provoke leftist hate mobs, or to ever explicitly identify as conservative/republican/whatever. Say what you will about an Ann Coulter, or even a Kaitlyn Bennent, but at least they are willing to pay the cost and put up with the constant leftist hatred and harassment. The milds don't even have to go through that. It's pathetic, really.</quote> Muffin, I've never heard of these people other than Ann Coulter. Apparently I don't need to block them not to see their posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/21/19 7:54:02 PM #460:	Im pretty sure ive seen the name Bridget Phetasy but couldnt tell you anything about her. I assume she just gets quote tweeted into my timeline when she says something dumb. Those other two names are completely unfamiliar to me. Kaitlyn Bennett always seems like shes trying too hard, but she did shit herself once (before her fame) which is pretty funny. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:929067761] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Im pretty sure ive seen the name Bridget Phetasy but couldnt tell you anything about her. I assume she just gets quote tweeted into my timeline when she says something dumb. Those other two names are completely unfamiliar to me. Kaitlyn Bennett always seems like shes trying too hard, but she did shit herself once (before her fame) which is pretty funny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/21/19 8:12:27 PM #461:	https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882?s=19 Posting this to see if anyone here gets an aneurysm --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:929068514] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882?s=19 Posting this to see if anyone here gets an aneurysm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/21/19 8:17:10 PM #462:	Also are we sure Hillary meant Russian asset and not like... Asset to Russia? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:929068711] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Also are we sure Hillary meant Russian asset and not like... Asset to Russia? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/21/19 8:19:06 PM #463:	Nelson_Mandela posted... https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882?s=19 Posting this to see if anyone here gets an aneurysm I don't know if there is a worse group of people than the professional Twittericians that always post threads as a response to political tweets. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:929068801] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1186405744146554882?s=19 Posting this to see if anyone here gets an aneurysm</quote> I don't know if there is a worse group of people than the professional Twittericians that always post threads as a response to political tweets. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:19:52 PM #464:	Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929068829] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 8:28:46 PM #465:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy. Just for curiosity, were you also against the Mueller investigation, and are you against impeachment now? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929069208] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy.</quote> Just for curiosity, were you also against the Mueller investigation, and are you against impeachment now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:30:29 PM #466:	StealThisSheen posted... DoomTheGyarados posted... Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy. Just for curiosity, were you also against the Mueller investigation, and are you against impeachment now? No, and if there is an investigation into Tulsi (there doesn't seem to be one even suggested by anyone, just smears but I could be mistaken) and it turns out there is as much evidence as there is against Trump then sure, that's different. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929069286] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>Bernie is 100% right here <_<, as usual. It is OK to go after people once there is proof (such as the people that random guy kept talking about) but Tulsi hasn't done anything wrong aside from policy.</quote> Just for curiosity, were you also against the Mueller investigation, and are you against impeachment now?</quote> No, and if there is an investigation into Tulsi (there doesn't seem to be one even suggested by anyone, just smears but I could be mistaken) and it turns out there is as much evidence as there is against Trump then sure, that's different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:31:34 PM #467:	For example our previous debate to me is "OK" I disagree with you but your stance is your stance and is largely policy based. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929069339] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>For example our previous debate to me is "OK" I disagree with you but your stance is your stance and is largely policy based.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 8:34:28 PM #468:	Fair enough. I wasn't trying to suggest an investigation into Tulsi. I was just going to suggest a few things she's done wrong, but it all basically could fall under policy. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929069474] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Fair enough. I wasn't trying to suggest an investigation into Tulsi. I was just going to suggest a few things she's done wrong, but it all basically could fall under policy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:36:53 PM #469:	Yeah like I firmly disagree with your stance overall but it is in bounds to me. Policy disagreements are totally fine and worth being debated and I am sure she's done some things wrong. Maybe even a lot. Hillary's attack on her was... a bit much. Also Russians prop up a myriad of candidates on both sides of the aisle at different times. So when someone says "They seem to like Tulsi" they also have supported half the field at various times, it is a bit of cherry picking. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929069589] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Yeah like I firmly disagree with your stance overall but it is in bounds to me. Policy disagreements are totally fine and worth being debated and I am sure she's done some things wrong. Maybe even a lot. Hillary's attack on her was... a bit much. Also Russians prop up a myriad of candidates on both sides of the aisle at different times. So when someone says "They seem to like Tulsi" they also have supported half the field at various times, it is a bit of cherry picking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/21/19 8:37:45 PM #470:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Also are we sure Hillary meant Russian asset and not like... Asset to Russia? Im not making any predictions, but I think theyve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate, Clinton said on a podcast with former Barack Obama aide David Plouffe. Shes the favorite of the Russians. If you listen to the podcast, she isn't even talking about the Russians going into that snippet. She's talking about the Trump campaign's (and their web based support) strategy for winning states like Wisconsin and Michigan where they clearly can't get over 50% of the vote and need to push some third party alternative to help them win. So I'm actually not totally clear she is referring to Tulsi as a Russian asset (she does directly call Stein a Russian asset roughly a minute after that though but you could be right as to it being a "Russian asset" vs Russian "asset" thing I dunno for sure). The exact comments start around 35 minutes of the podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vaHEtcGxvdWZmZQ&episode= (space) OGE2M2FhMTgtZTZlMS0xMWU5LTk4YWEtNTM4NTJiZDViMzc5&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjzmZSA-KXlAhXmm-AKHZsMC_AQieUEegQIABAE&ep=6&at=1571406131757 --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:929069631] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>Also are we sure Hillary meant Russian asset and not like... Asset to Russia?</quote> <quote>Im not making any predictions, but I think theyve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate, Clinton said on a podcast with former Barack Obama aide David Plouffe. Shes the favorite of the Russians.</quote> If you listen to the podcast, she isn't even talking about the Russians going into that snippet. She's talking about the Trump campaign's (and their web based support) strategy for winning states like Wisconsin and Michigan where they clearly can't get over 50% of the vote and need to push some third party alternative to help them win. So I'm actually not totally clear she is referring to Tulsi as a Russian asset (she does directly call Stein a Russian asset roughly a minute after that though but you could be right as to it being a "Russian asset" vs Russian "asset" thing I dunno for sure). The exact comments start around 35 minutes of the podcast: https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vaHEtcGxvdWZmZQ&episode= (space) OGE2M2FhMTgtZTZlMS0xMWU5LTk4YWEtNTM4NTJiZDViMzc5&hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjzmZSA-KXlAhXmm-AKHZsMC_AQieUEegQIABAE&ep=6&at=1571406131757 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 10/21/19 8:45:29 PM #471:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Yeah like I firmly disagree with your stance overall but it is in bounds to me. Policy disagreements are totally fine and worth being debated and I am sure she's done some things wrong. Maybe even a lot. Hillary's attack on her was... a bit much. Also Russians prop up a myriad of candidates on both sides of the aisle at different times. So when someone says "They seem to like Tulsi" they also have supported half the field at various times, it is a bit of cherry picking. The problem with Tulsi is that she plays into that narrative. She's the right-wing darling, complaining about the democratic primary being rigged and dredging up conspiracy theories from 2016 that can do nothing but hurt the Democratic Party. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:929069980] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah like I firmly disagree with your stance overall but it is in bounds to me. Policy disagreements are totally fine and worth being debated and I am sure she's done some things wrong. Maybe even a lot. Hillary's attack on her was... a bit much. Also Russians prop up a myriad of candidates on both sides of the aisle at different times. So when someone says "They seem to like Tulsi" they also have supported half the field at various times, it is a bit of cherry picking.</quote> The problem with Tulsi is that she plays into that narrative. She's the right-wing darling, complaining about the democratic primary being rigged and dredging up conspiracy theories from 2016 that can do nothing but hurt the Democratic Party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 8:47:52 PM #472:	Well, I think the reason Tulsi stuck out is that she almost seemed to embrace it/encourage it, with stuff like often repeating the talking points and attacking those further to the left of her, saying we should move on quickly from the Mueller investigation, being against impeachment, constantly appearing on Fox News, and even worse, specifically shows like Tucker Carlson, as well as alt-right podcasts and the like, and vehemently pushing the conspiracy angle. When you toss that into a pile with her defense of certain terrible dictators, it certainly raises a few eyebrows. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070083] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Well, I think the reason Tulsi stuck out is that she almost seemed to embrace it/encourage it, with stuff like often repeating the talking points and attacking those further to the left of her, saying we should move on quickly from the Mueller investigation, being against impeachment, constantly appearing on Fox News, and even worse, specifically shows like Tucker Carlson, as well as alt-right podcasts and the like, and vehemently pushing the conspiracy angle. When you toss that into a pile with her defense of certain terrible dictators, it certainly raises a few eyebrows.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:48:09 PM #473:	Yeah but the democratic party kind of deserves to be hurt. What is the democratic party? Itself, I mean. These are the people who want to hurt new people entering congress by bullying people who support new challengers out of gigs with the party, despite both candidates being "democrats" in a primary. The Democratic Party is no one's friend, as its core. It needs change and reform. Now I don't agree with many of her actions as of late, but the Democratic Party being hurt isn't one of the reasons. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929070103] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but the democratic party kind of deserves to be hurt. What is the democratic party? Itself, I mean. These are the people who want to hurt new people entering congress by bullying people who support new challengers out of gigs with the party, despite both candidates being "democrats" in a primary. The Democratic Party is no one's friend, as its core. It needs change and reform. Now I don't agree with many of her actions as of late, but the Democratic Party being hurt isn't one of the reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 8:48:56 PM #474:	Tulsi specifically has a ton of fucking weird policies that just coincidentally happen to benefit the Russians. She also refuses to disavow their attempts to boost her, rarely criticizes Russia, and when she does she usually qualifies it with some both-sides bullshit. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929070136] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Tulsi specifically has a ton of fucking weird policies that just coincidentally happen to benefit the Russians. She also refuses to disavow their attempts to boost her, rarely criticizes Russia, and when she does she usually qualifies it with some both-sides bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 8:49:33 PM #475:	Reply to that Bernie tweet from earlier from a blue checkmark: https://twitter.com/alexmohajer/status/1186412138492940288?s=21 One Russian asset comes to the defense of the other. What a world. What the Russians want is division, and when you call literally everyone except your very specific person a Russian asset, youre doing Russias job for them. ...Which makes you a Russian asset!? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929070163] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Reply to that Bernie tweet from earlier from a blue checkmark: https://twitter.com/alexmohajer/status/1186412138492940288?s=21 One Russian asset comes to the defense of the other. What a world. What the Russians want is division, and when you call literally everyone except your very specific person a Russian asset, youre doing Russias job for them. ...Which makes you a Russian asset!?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 8:50:14 PM #476:	Bernies not a Russian asset but hes being an idiot here --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929070190] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Bernies not a Russian asset but hes being an idiot here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 10/21/19 8:50:47 PM #477:	I find Bernie is rarely an idiot. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:929070215] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>I find Bernie is rarely an idiot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 8:51:40 PM #478:	LordoftheMorons posted... She also refuses to disavow their attempts to boost her This also is kinda weird. Like, you'd think she'd take this opportunity to disavow those that are trying to boost her. She was even specifically asked about it in a recent interview and she dodged the question and instead just talked about Hillary more. That could be 100%, completely innocent But it just looks so weird when stuff like this keeps happening and she just does not want to say anything negative about Russia whatsoever --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070248] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>She also refuses to disavow their attempts to boost her</quote> This also is kinda weird. Like, you'd think she'd take this opportunity to disavow those that are trying to boost her. She was even specifically asked about it in a recent interview and she dodged the question and instead just talked about Hillary more. That could be 100%, completely innocent But it just looks so weird when stuff like this keeps happening and she just does not want to say anything negative about Russia whatsoever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/21/19 8:51:54 PM #479:	https://twitter.com/DJTrumpsButt/status/1186441102125080581?s=19 Trump just retweeted something from this account lmfao --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:929070260] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/DJTrumpsButt/status/1186441102125080581?s=19 Trump just retweeted something from this account lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 8:52:55 PM #480:	Its a lot like when Trump refused to disavow the David Duke endorsement. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929070306] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Its a lot like when Trump refused to disavow the David Duke endorsement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 8:53:30 PM #481:	LordoftheMorons posted... Bernies not a Russian asset but hes being an idiot here PrincipalSkinner.jpg --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929070336] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Bernies not a Russian asset but hes being an idiot here </quote> PrincipalSkinner.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nrrr 10/21/19 8:53:54 PM #482:	I think the important thing out of the entire 'russian asset' discussion is that it is a totally useless term that absolutely nobody should use, and the people who are using it are doing bad faith. If you are just saying "some of the policies they like are policies russia would like america to do" then you are not saying anything worthwhile. If you are alleging they are in some way compromised or working on Russia's behalf, then say that, and provide evidence because that is a serious charge. If you are saying "uhh RT probably wrote a good article about that statement!!" then I mean, who cares? People aren't going to change their views just because it is being boosted by outside forces. --- I'm baby <cite>Nrrr posted [p:929070356] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>I think the important thing out of the entire 'russian asset' discussion is that it is a totally useless term that absolutely nobody should use, and the people who are using it are doing bad faith. If you are just saying "some of the policies they like are policies russia would like america to do" then you are not saying anything worthwhile. If you are alleging they are in some way compromised or working on Russia's behalf, then say that, and provide evidence because that is a serious charge. If you are saying "uhh RT probably wrote a good article about that statement!!" then I mean, who cares? People aren't going to change their views just because it is being boosted by outside forces. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 8:55:54 PM #483:	https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/20/pete-buttigieg-hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard Even Mayor Pete thinks you should have evidence before you call someone a Russian asset! Whos left? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929070450] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/20/pete-buttigieg-hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard Even Mayor Pete thinks you should have evidence before you call someone a Russian asset! Whos left?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/21/19 8:56:14 PM #484:	it really seems like this has become some stupid discourse about the term "russian asset" and not how much Tulsi and Russia just suck ass in general and I'm not about that --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929070469] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>it really seems like this has become some stupid discourse about the term "russian asset" and not how much Tulsi and Russia just suck ass in general and I'm not about that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 8:58:36 PM #485:	I don't control them. I don't control what anyone else says or does. All I can do is focus on the message that I am bringing to this campaign. Like, she doesn't have to be a Russian asset for us to agree that this is a pretty bad response to being asked why she doesn't disavow support from Russian state channels and alt-right groups. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070576] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote><quote>I don't control them. I don't control what anyone else says or does. All I can do is focus on the message that I am bringing to this campaign.</quote> Like, she doesn't have to be a Russian asset for us to agree that this is a pretty bad response to being asked why she doesn't disavow support from Russian state channels and alt-right groups.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 8:59:13 PM #486:	Asset includes useful idiot (which, again, Clinton didnt even say!) Id agree that youd need more evidence to allege agent --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929070607] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Asset includes useful idiot (which, again, Clinton didnt even say!) Id agree that youd need more evidence to allege agent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 9:00:29 PM #487:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... it really seems like this has become some stupid discourse about the term "russian asset" and not how much Tulsi and Russia just suck ass in general and I'm not about that Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that? Screw Russia and screw Tulsi, the entire argument is about Hillary stirring shit for literally nobodys benefit, and for some reason instead of going yeah that was dumb people want to say it was actually a good thing. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929070666] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>it really seems like this has become some stupid discourse about the term "russian asset" and not how much Tulsi and Russia just suck ass in general and I'm not about that </quote> Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that? Screw Russia and screw Tulsi, the entire argument is about Hillary stirring shit for literally nobodys benefit, and for some reason instead of going yeah that was dumb people want to say it was actually a good thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 9:02:49 PM #488:	LordoftheMorons posted... Asset includes useful idiot (which, again, Clinton didnt even say!) Id agree that youd need more evidence to allege agent By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary, EXACTLY what the Russians want. Do you not see how stupid that is? Do you think Hillary is a Russian asset? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929070770] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Asset includes useful idiot (which, again, Clinton didnt even say!) Id agree that youd need more evidence to allege agent </quote> By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary, EXACTLY what the Russians want. Do you not see how stupid that is? Do you think Hillary is a Russian asset?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 9:03:09 PM #489:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that? She never said Russia was good, but she did immediately jump on the "No collusion!" train. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070788] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that?</quote> She never said Russia was good, but she did immediately jump on the "No collusion!" train.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/21/19 9:03:57 PM #490:	Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:929070825] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 9:04:14 PM #491:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary, I still disagree with this. What rift? It was already Tulsi vs. everybody else according to Tulsi, and now it's Tulsi vs. Hillary who isn't even running...? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070843] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary,</quote> I still disagree with this. What rift? It was already Tulsi vs. everybody else according to Tulsi, and now it's Tulsi vs. Hillary who isn't even running...?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/21/19 9:05:58 PM #492:	TheRock1525 posted... Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important. Not regarding Tulsi, only Stein. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:929070919] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important.</quote>Not regarding Tulsi, only Stein. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/21/19 9:06:25 PM #493:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that? As pointed out, her refusal to disavow makes her look bad and her continued support of the conservative audience is definitely worthy of skepticism. It also doesn't seem like fearmongering to me to point out possible avenues of propoganda. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:929070942] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Who was saying Russia is good besides Trump? Did even TULSI even say that?</quote> As pointed out, her refusal to disavow makes her look bad and her continued support of the conservative audience is definitely worthy of skepticism. It also doesn't seem like fearmongering to me to point out possible avenues of propoganda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 9:07:11 PM #494:	TheRock1525 posted... Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important. Im not making any predictions, but I think theyve got their eye on someone whos currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. Shes the favorite of the Russians, said Clinton, apparently referring to Rep. Gabbard, whos been accused of receiving support from Russian bots and the Russian news media. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. She added: Thats assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because shes also a Russian asset. Yeah, shes a Russian assetI mean, totally. They know they cant win without a third-party candidate. So I dont know who its going to be, but I will guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most needed. Not directly. She called Stein a Russian asset directly, though. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929070979] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important.</quote> <quote>Im not making any predictions, but I think theyve got their eye on someone whos currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. Shes the favorite of the Russians, said Clinton, apparently referring to Rep. Gabbard, whos been accused of receiving support from Russian bots and the Russian news media. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. She added: Thats assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not because shes also a Russian asset. Yeah, shes a Russian assetI mean, totally. They know they cant win without a third-party candidate. So I dont know who its going to be, but I will guarantee you they will have a vigorous third-party challenge in the key states that they most needed.</quote> Not directly. She called Stein a Russian asset directly, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/21/19 9:08:00 PM #495:	LordoftheMorons posted... TheRock1525 posted... Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important. Not regarding Tulsi, only Stein. She said Stein is also a Russian asset, after just talking about Tulsi. So she did. StealThisSheen posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary, I still disagree with this. What rift? It was already Tulsi vs. everybody else according to Tulsi, and now it's Tulsi vs. Hillary who isn't even running...? The rift is everybody who is going to scoff at any valid mention of Russia because they know it was applied to Tulsi with literally no evidence. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:929071011] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Wait did Hillary actually use the term "Russian asset"? I feel like that's kind of important.</quote>Not regarding Tulsi, only Stein. </quote> She said Stein is also a Russian asset, after just talking about Tulsi. So she did. StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>By this definition, Hillary is an asset because she caused a rift in the Democratic Primary,</quote> I still disagree with this. What rift? It was already Tulsi vs. everybody else according to Tulsi, and now it's Tulsi vs. Hillary who isn't even running...?</quote> The rift is everybody who is going to scoff at any valid mention of Russia because they know it was applied to Tulsi with literally no evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 10/21/19 9:08:53 PM #496:	Are people trying to say Tulsi isn't seen an asset by the Russians? --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:929071059] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Are people trying to say Tulsi isn't seen an asset by the Russians?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/21/19 9:10:21 PM #497:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... She said Stein is also a Russian asset, after just talking about Tulsi. So she did. Not really, since she says "Russia has their eye on (Tulsi)," implying she's not yet a "Russian asset" but that's their plan. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:929071104] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>She said Stein is also a Russian asset, after just talking about Tulsi. So she did.</quote> Not really, since she says "Russia has their eye on (Tulsi)," implying she's not yet a "Russian asset" but that's their plan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/21/19 9:10:48 PM #498:	Lol you've all gone insane --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:929071124] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Lol you've all gone insane </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/21/19 9:10:58 PM #499:	Like I said, if we are judging based on effectiveness in achieving Russia's agenda, Hillary Clinton is far and away #1 on the list. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:929071131] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Like I said, if we are judging based on effectiveness in achieving Russia's agenda, Hillary Clinton is far and away #1 on the list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/21/19 9:11:30 PM #500:	Play Undertale --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:929071159] in Politics C... [t:78093278]...</cite> <quote>Play Undertale</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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