Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 244: All Presidents of the Last Century are Criminals

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:28:03 PM
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Might need to double check on Jimmy Carter
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ChaosTonyV4
10/17/19 7:28:50 PM
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I was trying to think of a decent title involving you and Lore Corrik, but gave up.
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xp1337
10/17/19 7:29:36 PM
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Last topic closed while I wrote this but:

Corrik7 posted...
xp1337 posted...
this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
He is trying to say it "now" to rationalize his nonsense that he does on the other side regularly.

I would say it about Obama too! But I do regularly about Bush but never actually about Obama!

He preaches. He doesn't actually follow what he is preaching though. He felt by rationalizing it he could make it not a specific political spectrum but his superior morality argument.

...But it checks out?

I'm telling you, while it was a fringe position only really held by the furthest left on the spectrum, the idea that the US's use of military (and psuedo-military like intelligence agency coups) to meddle in other countries to support its own interests amounted to war crimes was a thing there.

Jakyl would self-identify as being far to the left and you yourself are calling him a radical... like this all checks out by your own words? Did he say it in this topic series? Hell if I know, these started up around the 2016 primaries/election and while we range on a decently broad set of US political issues we obviously kind of missed the prime timeframe for commenting/critiquing the Obama administration.

All I've been trying to tell you was that if you looked into what the left talked about (not the mainstream/traditional Democrats, yes) you'd be aware that these arguments and views existed and so the idea that Jakyl held them too shouldn't shock you given your own characterization of him.

I can only conclude that by being unable to see this you never actually tried to look at what the left thought, even if you took a look and personally felt "whoa that's crazy talk yall"
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MoogleKupo141
10/17/19 7:29:49 PM
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if nothing else, I bet Carter made the best effort to not do war crimes. He probably didnt pitch ideas for new crimes to do.
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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 7:29:52 PM
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Man, there's so much news that there must have been a great topic title squandered...!

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:30:10 PM
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I spend so much time arguing with Corrik I neglected my topic title workshopping
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Paratroopa1
10/17/19 7:30:36 PM
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Every time I hear about Jimmy Carter he seems really chill and maybe the least bad person to hold the office of the presidency ever
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Reg
10/17/19 7:31:12 PM
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uhhh Teddy was more than a century ago, fuck
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:31:59 PM
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xp1337 posted...
Last topic closed while I wrote this but:

...But it checks out?

I'm telling you, while it was a fringe position only really held by the furthest left on the spectrum, the idea that the US's use of military (and psuedo-military like intelligence agency coups) to meddle in other countries to support its own interests amounted to war crimes was a thing there.

Jakyl would self-identify as being far to the left and you yourself are calling him a radical... like this all checks out by your own words? Did he say it in this topic series? Hell if I know, these started up around the 2016 primaries/election and while we range on a decently broad set of US political issues we obviously kind of missed the prime timeframe for commenting/critiquing the Obama administration.

All I've been trying to tell you was that if you looked into what the left talked about (not the mainstream/traditional Democrats, yes) you'd be aware that these arguments and views existed and so the idea that Jakyl held them too shouldn't shock you given your own characterization of him.

I can only conclude that by being unable to see this you never actually tried to look at what the left thought, even if you took a look and personally felt "whoa that's crazy talk yall"
Well, I mean, if I am dealing with an extremely radicalized person then I guess it is what it is.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:32:09 PM
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xp1337 posted...
Jakyl would self-identify as being far to the left and you yourself are calling him a radical... like this all checks out by your own words?


Hes trying to gatekeep how radical I am!
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:32:47 PM
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Carter's weakness led directly to the rise of neoliberalism and 40 years of Republican rule (yes, the GOP still basically governed America during the Clinton and Obama presidencies).
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:32:55 PM
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Reg posted...
uhhh Teddy was more than a century ago, fuck


Yeah I honestly dont know much about pre-WW1 Presidents
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:34:17 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Well, I mean, if I am dealing with an extremely radicalized person then I guess it is what it is.


How have you been here this long and not known this?
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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 7:35:32 PM
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Jakyl, I think you're forgetting that I'm apparently the most radically left person in this topic because of where I decided to go to grad school...!

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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:36:19 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
How have you been here this long and not known this?
There are too many of you to differentiate after a point. Post a thread where you state your country of residence and your specific political ideology as a reference sheet.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:36:20 PM
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And actually to go back to something I was accused of last topic, yes, what little money I am able to donate to charity does in fact go overseas to Syrian mobile hospitals
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:37:08 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl, I think you're forgetting that I'm apparently the most radically left person in this topic because of where I decided to go to grad school...!


You would probably sit in a skybox with Karl Marx himself
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StealThisSheen
10/17/19 7:40:04 PM
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LotM and Karl Marx, sittin' in a tree

D-I-S-C-U-S-S-I-N-G-T-H-E-P-R-O-L-E-T-A-R-I-A-T

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:41:18 PM
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your line of thoughts are questionably along the lines of a terrorist line of thought in principal


This goes on my Tinder profile

EDIT: I kid. Im actually aegosexual.
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xp1337
10/17/19 7:42:20 PM
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we've had lotm wrong this whole time

he's for biden because he's going all-in on accelerationism
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kevwaffles
10/17/19 7:43:54 PM
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Given the number of times he's said "your side" to me, I'm pretty sure Corrik thinks every regular in these topics but himself, Sephy, and Redsox all believe the same things, including worshiping the ground Obama walks on.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:44:53 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
Given the number of times he's said "your side" to me, I'm pretty sure Corrik thinks every regular in these topics but himself, Sephy, and Redsox all believe the same things, including worshiping the ground Obama walks on.


Hes really woefully mentally committed to the two party system
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ivy-snowy
10/17/19 7:45:10 PM
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whos ready to vote for the awful waxy corpse of vladimir lenin
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kevwaffles
10/17/19 7:46:11 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
How have you been here this long and not known this?
There are too many of you to differentiate after a point. Post a thread where you state your country of residence and your specific political ideology as a reference sheet.

Okay I apparently didn't even need to make my previous post.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:48:36 PM
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Dont you know we all get together every week and laugh along with our leftist hero Bill Maher as he clowns conservatives (and trans people, and Muslims)
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Nrrr
10/17/19 7:49:08 PM
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To answer the most pressing questions, Marxism with no bourgeoisie because we are all dead is called posadism and you should all embrace our glorious end.

And Carter is a war criminal, although his post criminal life seems admirable, whereas Bush did a reverse Hitler and did war crimes before becoming a shitty painter and Bill Clinton has mostly devoted himself to human trafficking. So Carter is probably the most humane war criminal we've churned out of the facism machine.

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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:49:30 PM
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Going back to last topic, Jakyl, I think the Republican Party would be quite happy to allow in migrants on the condition that they will vote Republican. Obviously I don't have the authority to make this kind of deal, but I think the Republican Party would go for it.
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:51:10 PM
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I think, now that Bush's great failure in Iraq is nearly 20 years old, America might be ready for a pro-war candidate. Let's say, someone who propose invading Venezuela and Iran....simultaneously.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:52:08 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Going back to last topic, Jakyl, I think the Republican Party would be quite happy to allow in migrants on the condition that they will vote Republican. Obviously I don't have the authority to make this kind of deal, but I think the Republican Party would go for it.


Ill take it, to be honest
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ivy-snowy
10/17/19 7:53:20 PM
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posadism is the only vein of communist thought that posits intergalactic intervention as a necessary step towards full communism so it's got that going for it
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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 7:54:59 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Going back to last topic, Jakyl, I think the Republican Party would be quite happy to allow in migrants on the condition that they will vote Republican. Obviously I don't have the authority to make this kind of deal, but I think the Republican Party would go for it.
A lot of immigrants are pretty conservative. It's almost impressive that the GOP has been able to so alienate them by having such a large openly racist contingent!

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:56:54 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Going back to last topic, Jakyl, I think the Republican Party would be quite happy to allow in migrants on the condition that they will vote Republican. Obviously I don't have the authority to make this kind of deal, but I think the Republican Party would go for it.
A lot of immigrants are pretty conservative. It's almost impressive that the GOP has been able to so alienate them by having such a large openly racist contingent!


Remember their post-2012 autopsy on why Romney failed?

Did not age well
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:58:18 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Going back to last topic, Jakyl, I think the Republican Party would be quite happy to allow in migrants on the condition that they will vote Republican. Obviously I don't have the authority to make this kind of deal, but I think the Republican Party would go for it.
A lot of immigrants are pretty conservative. It's almost impressive that the GOP has been able to so alienate them by having such a large openly racist contingent!


The Republican Party has been anti-immigrant for 170 years. It is one of only 3 consistent themes of the Republican Party, the others being supporting freedom and supporting business.

And maybe The End Justifies The Means, of course.
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Nrrr
10/17/19 7:59:04 PM
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Ignoring politics and morality etc I just cannot fathom anyone supporting mittens after that "who let the dogs out who who" video. It's some serious Michael Scott level of embarrassing.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/17/19 8:00:46 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
A lot of immigrants are pretty conservative. It's almost impressive that the GOP has been able to so alienate them by having such a large openly racist contingent!


I mean you dont even have to extend this to immigrants. The racism of both parties alienates enough Americans, but the GOP would be more popular if they were simply less racist. Too late for that now, though.

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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 8:16:07 PM
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Significant for a retired admiral to write this oped:
https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1184976201019904000

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Nrrr
10/17/19 8:35:27 PM
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Why would the GOP be more popular if it was less racist? Tone down the racism and it's just the Democrats.

The GOP is based on protecting capitalist class interests, racist dogwhistles, and cultural grievances(mad they aren't cool, mostly). This appeals to their base of divorced dads, reptiles wearing human skin, and gamers.

The Dems are based on protecting capitalist class interests, paternalistic infantalizing, and being socially modern. This appeals to their base of wine moms, people who like Hamilton, and anyone who watches the Oscars.

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red sox 777
10/17/19 8:37:58 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Why would the GOP be more popular if it was less racist? Tone down the racism and it's just the Democrats.

The GOP is based on protecting capitalist class interests, racist dogwhistles, and cultural grievances(mad they aren't cool, mostly). This appeals to their base of divorced dads, reptiles wearing human skin, and gamers.

The Dems are based on protecting capitalist class interests, paternalistic infantalizing, and being socially modern. This appeals to their base of wine moms, people who like Hamilton, and anyone who watches the Oscars.


Are there really so many reptiles wearing human skin? Who could have known!
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Nrrr
10/17/19 8:39:49 PM
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You would be shocked how comfortable wearing human skin can be

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Kenri
10/17/19 8:40:44 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Why would the GOP be more popular if it was less racist? Tone down the racism and it's just the Democrats.
The Democrats are more popular than the GOP though so it still checks out

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Nrrr
10/17/19 8:45:08 PM
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Kenri posted...
The Democrats are more popular than the GOP though so it still checks out


Well sure, but for every Lord of the morons they gain, they lose a corrik to the racism party that will pop up in it's place

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/17/19 9:03:58 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Why would the GOP be more popular if it was less racist? Tone down the racism and it's just the Democrats.

The GOP is based on protecting capitalist class interests, racist dogwhistles, and cultural grievances(mad they aren't cool, mostly). This appeals to their base of divorced dads, reptiles wearing human skin, and gamers.

The Dems are based on protecting capitalist class interests, paternalistic infantalizing, and being socially modern. This appeals to their base of wine moms, people who like Hamilton, and anyone who watches the Oscars.


Right, so if you take out the racism, you can keep the cultural grievances and win over a lot of religious and socially/fiscally conservative people of color and others concerned about overt racism. But racism is part of the platform so these people vote Democrat and Republicans just try to stop them from voting.

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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 9:06:08 PM
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The claim that Dems and the GOP are the same on economic policy is total bullshit tbqh

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/17/19 9:08:05 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
The claim that Dems and the GOP are the same on economic policy is total bullshit tbqh


Eh, technically true but they're both way closer to each other than they are to the left so it's kinda fair

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LordoftheMorons
10/17/19 9:10:05 PM
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I mean theyre also both far from a libertarian anarchist paradise!

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/17/19 9:10:17 PM
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Like if I had to picture "a Republican but without the racism" I'd picture Gabbard or Biden. And Biden thinks very highly of segregationists so there's that.

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StealThisSheen
10/17/19 9:16:00 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Like if I had to picture "a Republican but without the racism" I'd picture Gabbard or Biden. And Biden thinks very highly of segregationists so there's that.


Iunno, Tulsi hates Muslims
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TheRock1525
10/17/19 9:20:38 PM
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honestly everyone is pretty racist
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Corrik7
10/17/19 9:23:24 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
honestly everyone is pretty racist
Aren't you the one who said you would never date a woman with a black child again?

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DoomTheGyarados
10/17/19 9:23:53 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
honestly everyone is pretty racist
Aren't you the one who said you would never date a woman with a black child again?


Damn
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