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LordoftheMorons
10/19/19 4:01:38 PM
#302:


Thread with a bunch of reasons Tulsi sucks:
https://twitter.com/WajahatAli/status/1185403123717869568

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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:03:03 PM
#303:


HashtagSEP posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
I mean not to be mean (I am always mean) but he is upset Bernie met with the Pope instead of him.

I mean. Yeah. Sorry if I don't care what this guy claims happened.


No, he was upset that Bernie cancelled on an event with many veterans in NYC to go meet with the Pope.

But he even says he's over that incident, and it's the crap Tulsi did that really stung

I'm honestly not surprised you asked for receipts and then just handwaved them, though.


I thought there was video or something.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:05:53 PM
#304:


I said it was a Twitter thread and you even said "I'd have to see the exact quote."

I just showed you the exact quote.

C'mon, man.

I know you were just as big as Cyclo on "It doesn't matter, look at her voting record!"

But come on.
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red13n
10/19/19 4:10:41 PM
#305:


I've never understood the Tulsi love other than blind devotion for anyone they see as an outsider to the usual Democratic party.

People like to tout her anti-war but shes mostly just "dont use the military at all fuck the world" to the point of idiocy.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:11:02 PM
#306:


It is almost as if people who are elected to pass or not pass laws should be judged mostly on the laws they do or not do pass <_<. Or stances on laws in general.

Everything else is noise. If what she said is true, it was tactless but also probably not untrue. Digging into the guy he seems a straight shooter.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:13:11 PM
#307:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Everything else is noise. If what she said is true, it was tactless but also probably not untrue.


But so you don't see a problem with her telling other veterans "Nah, you don't matter right now since it's not a winning issue" in 2016, but then continuing to tout things like "I speak for veterans everywhere" and "This is an insult to veterans everywhere" now?
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LordoftheMorons
10/19/19 4:13:55 PM
#308:


Jill Stein gets a shout out from her fellow Russian asset!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1185643744932106240

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red13n
10/19/19 4:13:57 PM
#309:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
It is almost as if people who are elected to pass or not pass laws should be judged mostly on the laws they do or not do pass <_<.


this isn't exactly favorable to her either. But it also isn't entirely how you should judge people either. Hell even Bernie's big platform is "look where my money comes from" and less how he votes.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:14:42 PM
#310:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
It is almost as if people who are elected to pass or not pass laws should be judged mostly on the laws they do or not do pass


When her vote is one of many that probably never was at any point the deciding vote, then yeah, I'm definitely gonna look at her actions and the things she is saying as more important than her voting record, since that kind of thing is much more likely to have influence if she has more power.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:14:46 PM
#311:


She shouldn't have said it because it is tactless, but yes in terms of pure strategy caring about the veteran vote in particular is probably not the good strategy. Judging by her other actions she clearly cares about the vets overall so it is a strange thing to say that doesn't line up with her actions.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:15:40 PM
#312:


red13n posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
It is almost as if people who are elected to pass or not pass laws should be judged mostly on the laws they do or not do pass <_<.


this isn't exactly favorable to her either. But it also isn't entirely how you should judge people either. Hell even Bernie's big platform is "look where my money comes from" and less how he votes.


Not really though. His votes/stances/fights over the year are due to him being uncorrupted with the money issue. It's like an egg or the chicken there.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:18:40 PM
#313:


Also of note Tulsi backing off M4A means I don't support her at all, just so we're clear.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:18:41 PM
#314:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
She shouldn't have said it because it is tactless, but yes in terms of pure strategy caring about the veteran vote in particular is probably not the good strategy. Judging by her other actions she clearly cares about the vets overall so it is a strange thing to say that doesn't line up with her actions.


I mean, it's pretty simple.

She cares about veterans when she personally stands to gain from making a show of standing for veterans

But she doesn't care about veterans when she sees nothing to gain from it.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:19:36 PM
#315:


HashtagSEP posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
She shouldn't have said it because it is tactless, but yes in terms of pure strategy caring about the veteran vote in particular is probably not the good strategy. Judging by her other actions she clearly cares about the vets overall so it is a strange thing to say that doesn't line up with her actions.


I mean, it's pretty simple.

She cares about veterans when she personally stands to gain from making a show of standing for veterans

But she doesn't care about veterans when she sees nothing to gain from it.


That is the conclusion someone who hates Tulsi would come to, I suppose yes.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:21:04 PM
#316:


It's a conclusion anybody who isn't blind would come up with.

She literally told veterans in 2016 that they were not important because it wasn't a winning strategy. You even accept this, and hell, you agree with her on it.

Why is it okay to say "You don't matter" when it's "not a good strategy?"
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:21:50 PM
#317:


She didn't say "You don't matter."
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:23:06 PM
#318:


When I asked her why the campaign wasnt promoting Vets For Bernie, she saidand Im quoting hereappealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.


That is literally in the context of "Why aren't you listening to us or showing up to the events that you even scheduled with us"

That's a pretty big "you don't matter right now."
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:23:29 PM
#319:


Stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean, SEP.

But the answer in this case was "Bernie had a meeting with the Pope instead, which has much bigger implications strategy wise."

Sucks Bernie didn't have a chance to sit down with them there, but hopefully he wins and he can better their lives once in the White House.
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HeroDelTiempo17
10/19/19 4:24:03 PM
#320:


red13n posted...
I've never understood the Tulsi love other than blind devotion for anyone they see as an outsider to the usual Democratic party.

People like to tout her anti-war but shes mostly just "dont use the military at all fuck the world" to the point of idiocy.


Again, this isn't even true (and maybe this is a point in her favor for you).

She's described herself as anti-war but a "hawk on terrorism" and if you look at her own terrorism policy she basically is just advocating reallocation of resources away from regime change (good) and towards counterterrorism (questionable). This lets her appear anti-war because she advocates heavily for less troops, but she seems to be in favor of Obama-style drone strikes and special ops assassinations and whatever. She even likens the War on Terror to WW2 where we had to work with dictators and "distasteful allies" which seems...dramatic, at best. Judge for yourself!

https://www.votetulsi.com/node/25013

But anyways she's memed her way into appearing anti-all-war despite this

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Corrik7
10/19/19 4:24:17 PM
#321:


Tulsi 2020. If SEP hates her, she has to have her shit together.

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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:25:58 PM
#322:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean, SEP.


So your entire defense is

"She didn't actually say the words 'you don't matter right now' even though that's clearly what the message was."

Holy crap why are your lips so glued to her ass

That's a Corrik argument
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red13n
10/19/19 4:25:58 PM
#323:


And again I'm going to reiterate on the veteran subject that her "anti-war" stance is just isolationist bullshit.

Her solution is just no military, ever. Its basically the Trump Syria policy.

You have to understand that the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows and that there is value in maintaining military might and a presence in the world. Especially when it doesn't take a war or significant casualties(There is risk in having military presence to our troops, yes, but thats kind of the job).

We shouldn't just turn a complete blind eye to the rest of the world.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:26:56 PM
#324:


HashtagSEP posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean, SEP.


So your entire defense is

"She didn't actually say the words 'you don't matter right now' even though that's clearly what the message was."

Holy crap why are your lips so glued to her ass

That's a Corrik argument


I am not even supporting her in any way in this election cycle, her backing away from M4A is cowardly and I personally think is very stupid of her. Not my fault you picked an issue where she didn't do much wrong. Maybe hate less?
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:27:15 PM
#325:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Not my fault you picked an issue where she didn't do much wrong


Wow

That's disgusting
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:28:12 PM
#326:


Now here comes the insults lol
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:28:41 PM
#327:


If you can read that Twitter thread and say she "didn't do much wrong," then yeah, it's disgusting
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Corrik7
10/19/19 4:29:51 PM
#328:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Now here comes the insults lol
You will be a troll in 50 posts lol.

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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:30:13 PM
#329:


Well it is the point of view of someone who clearly thought she did something wrong, as he is still upset with her three years later. I peeked at his tweeter history and he seems on the up and up mostly so I have no reason to begrudge him his anger. However I tend to judge people moreso on a long term view than anything else and so a meeting where she offended a vet compared to what I know of her voting record and stances in general doesn't compel me to believe she doesn't care about veterans other than selfish gain, but apparently I am blind and disgusting so there you go.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:31:09 PM
#330:


she saidand Im quoting hereappealing to veterans is not a winning strategy in a Democratic primary.


Like, in what world is this okay to say to a group of veterans as a reason for why you're ignoring them?

How is it okay, let alone something to be defended as correct?

And then how is it okay when she is basing a big chunk of her identity right now on appealing to veterans since it's her own personal campaign?
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:32:17 PM
#331:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
but apparently I am blind and disgusting so there you go.


No, what is blind and disgusting is where you said that, if taken at face value, there's nothing wrong with what she said other than that it's "tactless," and that she is in fact correct so it's okay.

I'm not even calling you blind and disgusting specifically.

I'm saying that's a blind and disgusting stance to hold.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:33:01 PM
#332:


Because it was tactless but not untrue. I know we are very used to people just lying about everything forever and saying 'correct' things but yeah. I have even given you tactless but no one in a democratic debate gives much of a fuck about the troops let's be honest. If she didn't appear to care about the troops consistently I'd be on board with you, but she served her time, has her right to her opinion on political strategy (tactless though) and doesn't appear to be against the troops while voting.

Basically it'd mean more to the troops I am sure to be brought home and not engage in a lot of regime change BS than being paid lip service that's never backed up. Mind you after Trump there are a lot of messes to clean up (hi Syria) but yeah.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:36:14 PM
#333:


The problem is that Tulsi flat out admitted "Nobody gives a fuck about you in a Democratic debate so that's why we're ignoring you" to vets in 2016

But now that she's trying to court votes from the right, she's suddenly "Rah rah veterans!" every chance she gets in a Democratic debate.

You seriously don't see anything weird with that?
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 4:36:30 PM
#334:


Your use of quotation marks is more offensive than anything Tulsi said tbh

Although good point. Clearly Tulsi is trying to court "moderate" voters with this tact and I disagree with it and why I no longer support her.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:37:56 PM
#335:


Dude, paraphrasing is typically how quotation marks are used online. Welcome to the internet. There's gotta be a way to differentiate from normal text. Get over it.

Especially when there's an actual quote function.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 4:55:30 PM
#336:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I don't know it has always been pretty compelling to me that Tulsi went from medic to "ok yeah fuck wars I literally have seen some shit and this is just fucked up."

Not so much as a vet card as much as a medic card to me, really.


Also you literally used them the same way I have been barely an hour ago so uh
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Corrik7
10/19/19 5:00:12 PM
#337:


HashtagSEP posted...
The problem is that Tulsi flat out admitted "Nobody gives a fuck about you in a Democratic debate so that's why we're ignoring you" to vets in 2016

But now that she's trying to court votes from the right, she's suddenly "Rah rah veterans!" every chance she gets in a Democratic debate.

You seriously don't see anything weird with that?
Veterans are overwhelmingly Republican. So, doesn't her comments line basically up with what you are saying she is doing politically?

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red sox 777
10/19/19 5:02:44 PM
#338:


Tulsi 2024.

She has my support.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 5:02:50 PM
#339:


Corrik7 posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
The problem is that Tulsi flat out admitted "Nobody gives a fuck about you in a Democratic debate so that's why we're ignoring you" to vets in 2016

But now that she's trying to court votes from the right, she's suddenly "Rah rah veterans!" every chance she gets in a Democratic debate.

You seriously don't see anything weird with that?
Veterans are overwhelmingly Republican. So, doesn't her comments line basically up with what you are saying she is doing politically?


Oh, absolutely.

If you assume she is very much trying to court the right and has been moving to that side, then her comments line up very well.

What I'm showing is that there's an inconsistency in what she has said and believing that her voting record still makes her a safe left side choice.
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 5:03:27 PM
#340:


I am summing up years of policy. You are summing up one quote.
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 5:04:35 PM
#341:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I am summing up years of policy. You are summing up one quote.


"Summing up" is literally the only important part, there. There is no actual difference. Also, I'm summing up her whole meeting with the guy, as he described it.

If you're going to get on my case that quotation marks can only be used for an untouched quote, then you better bet your ass that I'm going to call you out on not doing what you preach.

EDIT: You either gotta accept that quotation marks are used to sum up/paraphrase on the internet like this, especially when we actually have a function for exact quotes, or you gotta live by your own ridiculous rules.
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Jakyl25
10/19/19 5:08:15 PM
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 5:08:45 PM
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HashtagSEP
10/19/19 5:09:54 PM
#344:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up.gif


It's okay. I accept your surrender via memes.
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red sox 777
10/19/19 5:10:33 PM
#345:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1185643744932106240?s=21

Trump stanning for Jill Stein


Go Jill Stein!
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Jakyl25
10/19/19 5:11:00 PM
#346:


https://twitter.com/gop/status/1185609063402561537?s=21

It's no surprise that far-left Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Illhan Omar support Senator Bernie Sanders for President.

Their agendas align: spend taxpayer dollars & have the government take control over every aspect of American life.


Spending tax money is bad. You should be hoarding it, like Trump!
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DoomTheGyarados
10/19/19 5:11:06 PM
#347:


Unlike some here, I discuss topics only until I do not wish to. I know some people can argue endlessly such as you and Lopen, but I am just going to go mine in FFXIV now instead.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/19/19 5:11:55 PM
#348:


HashtagSEP posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Stop using quotation marks if you don't know what they mean, SEP.


So your entire defense is

"She didn't actually say the words 'you don't matter right now' even though that's clearly what the message was."

Holy crap why are your lips so glued to her ass

That's a Corrik argument


Bruh how can you say anyone is making a Corrik argument when you literally thought #slaykween was serious?

And why is assumption about what she really means ok, but any question about Hillary is conspiracy?

A little consistency, please.

For the record, Im ok with drawing conclusions on peoples motivation/what they actually mean in both cases.
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Leafeon13N
10/19/19 5:13:13 PM
#349:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Unlike some here, I discuss topics only until I do not wish to. I know some people can argue endlessly such as you and Lopen, but I am just going to go mine in FFXIV now instead.
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LordoftheMorons
10/19/19 5:14:58 PM
#350:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1185643744932106240?s=21

Trump stanning for Jill Stein
So apparently that Joey Saladino guy that always posts on trump tweets (including this one) and is running for Congress has photos both of him wearing a nazi armband and pissing into his own mouth

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Jakyl25
10/19/19 5:16:14 PM
#351:


Hey he can piss in his own mouth all day, I have no issue with that.
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