Board 8 > really don't think I can watch the NBA this year

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Naye is also a deranged psycho tho so
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WHO I AM:
naye
brohan
WVI
slycooper69

WHO I AM NOT:
ertyu
slypooper69
Sicko Hunter brohan
whoa


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Yeah, nrrr is cyclo.

On the subject of new accounts, who is Dedue and is that Snirko or whatever KamikazePotato, Kleenex, or someone else?
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make sure u go into the discord and brag bout how you trolled another person into thinking u were Naye, Cyclo
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Dedue is LtM.

He changes his accounts whenever he finds a new obsession and never tells anyone he's changed it.
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(also Snrkiko is Weaku in case anyone didn't already know that)
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Can't believe I ended this topic in my first post and people are still posting in this ghost.

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and then once the high from that wears off I'm sure a few HUR EXTHA SHORT jokes will get you to feeling good again bro
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ExThaNemesis posted...

make sure u go into the discord and brag bout how you trolled another person into thinking u were Naye, Cyclo

the package has been delivered. excellent job team
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I knew snrkiko was the non-drak lawyer, but I couldn't remember who was other lawyer lol.

Dedue being LtM makes total sense.

Thanks for the info.
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Nrrr posted...

And you only care because it's Chinese dudes I guess.

No, its because we are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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LeonhartFour posted...

so is Tiger Woods better than LeBron James

Honestly I'd probably go with a yes

Never thought I'd see ExTha of all people mimic outrage culture unironically

LeBron could wear a Chinese flag like a cape and I would still watch the NBA cause basketball rules and it's fun to watch

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MZero11 posted...

Never thought I'd see ExTha of all people mimic outrage culture unironically

LeBron could wear a Chinese flag like a cape and I would still watch the NBA cause basketball rules and it's fun to watch

No a basketball player said something off the court. You can't watch it anymore.

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So he should... shut up and dribble?

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MZero11 posted...

Never thought I'd see ExTha of all people mimic outrage culture unironically

I think there's a fine line between this "cancel culture" movement and, at least I'm guessing, his feelings about this issue. I personally will continue watching the NBA unless like the league takes some official stance they force on everyone, which is of course not going to happen. I feel like you can express your distaste with a celebrity's opinion on something without actively calling for their dismissal or removal or whatever. Simply because I think Lebron is a big asshole and what he said was rather tasteless and not something I agree with doesn't mean I don't think he should be allowed to say it if he wants, nor do I think his career ought to be in any way jeopardized for saying it. I'm just saying that what he said sucks and he sucks for saying it.
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Let me clarify that it's not simply because of what LeBron said, it's the underlying current of everyone in the league having to give the same canned responses that tow the line for China.

All of these megastars in the NBA, and the NBA itself has more than enough money to draw a line here and say "Fuck you" when China tells them what they're allowed to say. The fact that they haven't and are doing this is just so, so scummy.
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also idk if you wanna compare me to outrage culture when I haven't shouted that LeBron is some form of "ist" (in fact you'll note who the first person to use one of the big "-ism" accusations in this thread was), nor have I said anyone deserves to be canceled or that any of you should stop watching the NBA this year.

Just that I didn't think I was gonna be able to.

I feel like I'd need to be trying to start my own hashtag in order for your comparison to work
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stuff like 'let's ruin this guy's life for making a mistake!' is a very different monster than 'let's support china in favor of hong kong because money.' it ain't even like he's saying let's ruin the NBA either. he's just saying his excitement is gone because of how the players revealed themselves to being shills. comparing this to outrage culture doesn't work with his reaction or in any logical comparison.
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Wanglicious posted...

stuff like 'let's ruin this guy's life for making a mistake!' is a very different monster than 'let's support china in favor of hong kong because money.' it ain't even like he's saying let's ruin the NBA either. he's just saying his excitement is gone because of how the players revealed themselves to being shills. comparing this to outrage culture doesn't work with his reaction or in any logical comparison.

Has nothing to do with the product of basketball. You either are a fan of basketball or you are not. Like I said, he is a bandwagon Duke fan. He doesn't actually watch it for the sport.

Nobodies comments outside the game are gonna make basketball not entertaining to you. Now if he was at the court holding up signs or wearing apparel or etc about it, that is one thing cuz it brings it into the game. This isn't it.

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you'd need a lot more than a hashtag. and hell if you could come up with a decent way to cancel china's influence you'd probably make bank.

i mean you've been mad at shit before just fine, it just seems like a silly comparison, it's literally comparing a foreign government stepping on human rights to twitter.
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corrik you're from pittsburgh and you're a unc fan shutup lmfao
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Wanglicious posted...

stuff like 'let's ruin this guy's life for making a mistake!' is a very different monster than 'let's support china in favor of hong kong because money.' it ain't even like he's saying let's ruin the NBA either. he's just saying his excitement is gone because of how the players revealed themselves to being shills. comparing this to outrage culture doesn't work with his reaction or in any logical comparison.

Maybe I don't know what outrage culture means! I was comparing it to like people who loved Ruroni Kenshin but can't enjoy it enjoy it anymore because the writer got busted for kid porn (obviously worse than what LeBron did). But more like not being able to enjoy anime at all.

Of course, I understand not wanting to support people who do bad things, but the whole "I can't enjoy it anymore" thing seems like a little bit of an overreaction.

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ExThaNemesis posted...

corrik you're from pittsburgh and you're a unc fan shutup lmfao

Born in North Carolina, bro.

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Could Kenny Omega beat Lebron in a waffle eating contest at a neutral site?
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If this Kemba Walker thing goes the way I think it will, Im gonna join you
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v_charon posted...

I personally will continue watching the NBA unless like the league takes some official stance they force on everyone, which is of course not going to happen.

What. The league is literally already doing this. Not openly, but behind closed doors they absolutely have. The commissioner paid lip service to the idea of free speech, but he absolutely has told everyone to either make statements in support of China or stfu. This is obvious.

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redrocket posted...

What. The league is literally already doing this. Not openly, but behind closed doors they absolutely have. The commissioner paid lip service to the idea of free speech, but he absolutely has told everyone to either make statements in support of China or stfu. This is obvious.

Yeah, I am sure that is not in the collective bargaining agreement. He may have warned that comments against China will impact finances and is probably linked to the NBA warning a China conflict could lead to a lower salary cap in future years which would lower max contracts, but he can't tell them they can't say whatever on their personal time regarding that.

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after reading 79 posts i gotta say

this topic is pretty racist
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redrocket posted...

v_charon posted...

I personally will continue watching the NBA unless like the league takes some official stance they force on everyone, which is of course not going to happen.

What. The league is literally already doing this. Not openly, but behind closed doors they absolutely have. The commissioner paid lip service to the idea of free speech, but he absolutely has told everyone to either make statements in support of China or stfu. This is obvious.

Yeah Im gonna call BS on this. Terry Stotts literally came out last night in support of free speech in comments to a reporter. I think players and coaches have opted to stay silent for their own sake.

Leaving LeBron out of it for now and just discussing other figures (Curry, Kerr, Popovich) who have opted not to comment first:

This statement is going to sound very obvious but...It is not the responsibility of individual NBA players or staff to solve an international political situation. There should be no expectation for them to make any comment at all, and its not cowardly to do that. You have to pick and choose the battles you want to fight on social issues.

As for LeBron, what he said was stupid and selfish; but i find it just as ridiculous to quit watching the entire product of the NBA over the statement of one player, and the tacit assumption that other players are in full agreement. Its like people who quit watching the NFL over Kaepernicks protest. Why is it necessary for you to agree morally with a political stand taken by a player to watch the overall product of the league? Why not just hate LeBron and cheer for a different team?

Outrage about the first statement aside, the NBA stood its ground - Morey was never punished, and the CCP has already rolled back their threat to stop airing NBA preseason games (likely due to insanely high demand in China). If anything, this proves that the demand for the NBAs product in China actually could outweigh nationalistic propaganda.

Honestly the thing I didn't like the most was when LeBron was asked later if he considered how his views would affect those in Hong Kong he said "no, I considered how they would affect me." To me, that totally works against what he is preaching with the whole "free speech can have negative consequences, it can affect so many other people negatively." What he did was no different than morey, he spoke on something personal to him, he just has a different opinion than morey. I guess in his mind it's important to him so that makes it ok for him to do. But at least morey is on the right side of the hk thing, unlike LeBron.
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red13n posted...

No we don't. We have a ton of people openly against our President(Hell, a majority of people lol) and no one is vanishing from our streets for their views.

lol, is this really your argument? "there's nothing wrong with basketball players supporting the US government because people aren't literally vanishing from the streets for being against the president"?
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RPGlord95 posted...

Could Kenny Omega beat Lebron in a waffle eating contest at a neutral site?

Wait, you forgot the abilities used in Wartime are that Kenny Omega is keeled over with abdominal cramps for the first 10 seconds, and Lebron has been punched in the dick by Johnny Cage.
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Lasa plz

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not an argument
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Lasa, please stop Corrik-ing.
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will Zion be a better player than LeBron by the time his career is done
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trdl23 posted...

Lasa, please stop Corrik-ing.

that's also not an argument and probably an insult
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Agreed. I guess people disagreeing with you also would have had no problem continuing to support Penn State football after the Sandusky revelations/organizational cover-up because fOoTbAlL iS fUn.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Agreed. I guess people disagreeing with you also would have had no problem continuing to support Penn State football after the Sandusky revelations/organizational cover-up because fOoTbAlL iS fUn.

Not quite the same thing. If I wanted to watch college football and be disappointed by the Wolverines, I could do that and just not watch Penn St. games. Having the integrity of the entire professional league in doubt means no pro basketball, period. Thats a big thing to give up for some people, especially if the mindset kicks in of my decision not to watch wont matter in the scheme of things, so why deny myself something I like?

I wont be watching the NBA, but my call isnt very relevant since I only watched a few games a year anyway.
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trdl23 posted...

Not quite the same thing. If I wanted to watch college football and be disappointed by the Wolverines, I could do that and just not watch Penn St. games. Having the integrity of the entire professional league in doubt means no pro basketball, period. Thats a big thing to give up for some people, especially if the mindset kicks in of my decision not to watch wont matter in the scheme of things, so why deny myself something I like?

I wont be watching the NBA, but my call isnt very relevant since I only watched a few games a year anyway.

You won't be watching the NBA cuz you can't separate politics from sports. You also aren't probably a real fan, probably barely even watch the NBA so it's an easy give away, and so on.

Anyone who enjoys basketball truly isn't going to stop watching a league because it didn't do a political statement they agree with.

You can't separate politics from things. That is your own fault.

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trdl23 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Agreed. I guess people disagreeing with you also would have had no problem continuing to support Penn State football after the Sandusky revelations/organizational cover-up because fOoTbAlL iS fUn.

Not quite the same thing. If I wanted to watch college football and be disappointed by the Wolverines, I could do that and just not watch Penn St. games. Having the integrity of the entire professional league in doubt means no pro basketball, period. Thats a big thing to give up for some people, especially if the mindset kicks in of my decision not to watch wont matter in the scheme of things, so why deny myself something I like?

I wont be watching the NBA, but my call isnt very relevant since I only watched a few games a year anyway.

Outside of LeBron and Joe Tsai of the Brooklyn Nets who have explicitly stated their support for China, how is this any different than like, literally any of the other entertainment or products that you consume?

If you cant ethically consume the product of the NBA because of the influence of Chinese money and market, how is that any different than the multitudes of other companies that depend on the Chinese market? Nike, Apple, every video game company owned by Tencent. Are you cutting all of that out too?

Corrik7 posted...

You also aren't probably a real fan, probably barely even watch the NBA so it's an easy give away

trdl23 posted...

I wont be watching the NBA, but my call isnt very relevant since I only watched a few games a year anyway.

You dont say.

Hannyabal posted...

Outside of LeBron and Joe Tsai of the Brooklyn Nets who have explicitly stated their support for China, how is this any different than like, literally any of the other entertainment or products that you consume?

If you cant ethically consume the product of the NBA because of the influence of Chinese money and market, how is that any different than the multitudes of other companies that depend on the Chinese market? Nike, Apple, every video game company owned by Tencent. Are you cutting all of that out too?

Fair. It feels different here because the cowardice seems explicit for once, happening in broad daylight instead of boardrooms. But you are right in that theres little functional difference. Like I said above, this isnt exactly a big sacrifice for me.
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Corrik7 posted...

Michael Phelps and Tom Brady are the only ones I can think of up there with LeBron for our generation (been there for all of it).

I wonder if Phelps has any real contenders for best athlete of the 21st century up against him!
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trdl23 posted...

Corrik7 posted...

You also aren't probably a real fan, probably barely even watch the NBA so it's an easy give away

trdl23 posted...

I wont be watching the NBA, but my call isnt very relevant since I only watched a few games a year anyway.

You dont say.

Hannyabal posted...

Outside of LeBron and Joe Tsai of the Brooklyn Nets who have explicitly stated their support for China, how is this any different than like, literally any of the other entertainment or products that you consume?

If you cant ethically consume the product of the NBA because of the influence of Chinese money and market, how is that any different than the multitudes of other companies that depend on the Chinese market? Nike, Apple, every video game company owned by Tencent. Are you cutting all of that out too?

Fair. It feels different here because the cowardice seems explicit for once, happening in broad daylight instead of boardrooms. But you are right in that theres little functional difference. Like I said above, this isnt exactly a big sacrifice for me.

I mean, Id argue that enough people are aware of the stories about Nike sweatshops and Apples child labor throughout Southeast Asia such that it could be considered in broad daylight even if Apple/Nike spokespeople arent actively generating quotes about it.

We all justify unethical behaviors in capitalism by sweeping them under the rug. It just feels disenguous and self-congratulatory to quit consuming something you barely cared about in the first place due to some sort of moral outrage, especially when the NBA itself isnt endorsing the actions of the Chinese government.

We all have to reckon with the consumption of media and products from thousands of unethical practices and companies every day and this just feels like such an arbitrary line to draw unless you are a prominent HK protest activist.

Are "you people" that fucking dense that you can't tell the difference between companies that leverage a low-wage Chinese workforce to make products and companies that are actively silencing and punishing their American employees for speaking out against Chinese authoritarianism? If Tim Cook put a gag order on any Apple store employee who retweeted a pro-Hong Kong tweet then I would 100% boycott Apple as well.

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Hannyabal posted...

I mean, Id argue that enough people are aware of the stories about Nike sweatshops and Apples child labor throughout Southeast Asia such that it could be considered in broad daylight even if Apple/Nike spokespeople arent actively generating quotes about it.

We all justify unethical behaviors in capitalism by sweeping them under the rug. It just feels disenguous and self-congratulatory to quit consuming something you barely cared about in the first place due to some sort of moral outrage, especially when the NBA itself isnt endorsing the actions of the Chinese government.

We all have to reckon with the consumption of media and products from thousands of unethical practices and companies every day and this just feels like such an arbitrary line to draw unless you are a prominent HK protest activist.

i mean, extha is a trump supporter who doesn't give a flying fuck about the deeply unethical aspects of capitalism. you can say his morals suck (which they do) but he's not hypocritical in this sense.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I wonder if Phelps has any real contenders for best athlete of the 21st century up against him!

Simone Biles and Usain Bolt

Phelps is a compiler
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Are "you people" that fucking dense that you can't tell the difference between companies that leverage a low-wage Chinese workforce to make products and companies that are actively silencing and punishing their American employees for speaking out against Chinese authoritarianism? If Tim Cook put a gag order on any Apple store employee who retweeted a pro-Hong Kong tweet then I would 100% boycott Apple as well.

Adam Silver and the NBA didnt put a gag order on anyone talking about this issue from a pro-HK/free speech perspective (see: Terry Stotts literally last night and like 10+ teeets by Enes Kanter). At literally no point in this whole affair has any player or NBA figure been forced into silence by any authority or punished for pro-HK views. Tilman Fertita is a huge asshole and absolutely sucks (in both this situation and matters unrelated) and attempted major damage control to the Chinese market for the Rockets and even he didnt give Morey so much as a slap on the wrist. Nothing will happen to Enes Kanter either.

I dont understand where anyone has gotten the idea that somehow the free speech of NBA players, coaches, executives has somehow been limited or secretly suppressed. Thats not that case here - people are just exhibiting caution in speaking candidly. Youre making some sort of official or secret gag order up that literally doesnt exist.