Board 8 > Godzilla Mafia Topic 7: Long Live the King

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I thought Death saying he was force replaced for breaking the rule could potentially have given it a scum look. Like if he was being honest town you don't need to force replace, you just normal replace. That sorta implies it may be a scum gambit.

Overall I thought MZero just looked more town than most of the lurky vanillas through in game thoughts anyway though.
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Like I'm openly agreeing with Ulti and Corrik here that's how sure I am scum Sultan never does that.
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Definitely think it should have been a modkill. That post followed by replacement took Sultan slot off the table for the day and it was explicitly stated in the rules not to talk about asking for a replacement.

It was in the rules. Should have been a mod kill
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I will admit then that I dont read sultan well
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Lopen posted...

. That sorta implies it may be a scum gambit.

This is 100% not allowed btw. Dont do this in regards to replace.

Also, I don't think modkilling Sultan saves scum here. They just lose one day sooner instead, when Panth and Lea kill IGCD when they do not have a mislynch left
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I mean if it's a modkill or not I still think scum loses and scum is ultimately to blame for their loss much moreso than a lack of modkill.

Also keep in mind Corrik thinks you should have been modkilled too Blade so I don't think you agree with Corrik.
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Lopen posted...

mean if it's a modkill or not I still think scum loses and scum is ultimately to blame for their loss much moreso than a lack of modkill.

Probably, yes.

UltimaterializerX posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What is this in regards to?

The dnd thing.

Oh. It wasn't the DM's fault. It could have been handled better but ultimately the decision came down to the players.
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Sultan's modkill ends the day outright and changes the entire game.

Might not change the outcome, but still.

I think people are overlooking that
a town modkill instantly ends the day.
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Scum had a few things go really well for them but they had basically 0 in-topic presence and I'm not sure about some of the night kills.

I don't want to leave anyone out but Sir Chris was mighty on D1, and Ulti helped with some clear scumhunting posts. I'm sure some errors were made but I recall reading Ulti's posts and thinking "yeah, he has this figured out pretty well".
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Oh we won, neat.

Community probably needs some small games (referred to as minis) or maybe longer phase days where people don't spam as much. Player depth lacking atm
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Chris was right btw late day 1, Hb pretty obviously town cleared him in topic 1.

Part of why I just let myself have fun with it at the end of the day. Chris would know I'd never think he was actually scum at that point.
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Lopen posted...

I mean if it's a modkill or not I still think scum loses and scum is ultimately to blame for their loss much moreso than a lack of modkill.

Also keep in mind Corrik thinks you should have been modkilled too Blade so I don't think you agree with Corrik.

I think he should have been warned and if so, the sultan thing possibly doesn't happen.
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Meow1000 posted...

Anyway who's hosting next I'm in again

Tom and pez
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Meow1000 posted...

and the cop played a virtually perfect game

It is funny cuz the cop relatively played a virtually perfectly wrong game, which benefitted town in the end.

She was scanning with intent to find scum and never found scum until she couldn't.

It is like saying I played a perfect game by getting Lea to counter me. It is factually incorrect. But, you could argue if I hadn't that Lea coulda been shot night 3 because doctor didn't know who to protect and without her scans revealed besides some read interpretations. Lea was likely your next kill after lopen anyways.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Just because I said that's what I was doing doesn't mean it was actually what I was doing, Corrik. I was investigating ambiguous players, not the most likely scum. Likewise, it was always my plan to claim that day so the doc would know to scan me. It wasn't actually to "counter" you. That was just a bit of value.

Yeah.

And then you also countered to mislynch town when you supposedly knew red was alrdy scum.

And you mislynched your own innocent scan.

I mean, I think we can just agree everything all worked out perfectly, but you weren't perfect this game.
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Playing the cop perfect is scanning suspicious people who aren't so suspicious that scanning them is a formality, which is why Red was a bad scan despite what you're saying. I think scanning you would have been a good scan instead if she was really going to push the Corrik lynch the next day but alas.

I would say the only potentially lucky scan Lea had was doing IGCD last. Ironically if MZero really is mod confirmed she actually does scan IGCD before MZero, which makes ya wonder how much weight that really had in the end but you know.
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Won't say Lea played a perfect game but I think she used the role really well, pretty close to perfectly.

Perfect cop use but not perfect play overall. It's hard to have perfect play when you have to be there the whole game though-- that's what people who were ragging on me for Literature don't understand. If I got killed night 2 there and lasted till endgame this time I would've looked great!
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I would have been on the Scare train in the Final 5. More out of fear than anything else.

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Also, Im serious about ignoring Corrik. I just cant play with people who refuse to ever think they are wrong. It tilts me too hard
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Leanansidhe posted...

I am a flawless human being in life as in mafia and this all went according to my long term chess plan.

Nah I was very far from perfect, should have lynched Red over Corrik and just did the obvious IGCD in the final five instead of hedging. I just feel the need to clarify some of my expressed feelings were just manipulation ploys. People who are outwardly confident tend to die unpleasant deaths.

Honestly, you being alive is the only chance I felt to win. Panth and Mzero wasn insta lynched in my mind. You and Panth, was a maybe, but forcing you to guess who was godfather felt like the best chance I had.
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masterplum posted...

Also, Im serious about ignoring Corrik. I just cant play with people who refuse to ever think they are wrong. It tilts me too hard

Sounds like a personal problem. Good luck and God bless.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leanansidhe posted...

I am a flawless human being in life as in mafia and this all went according to my long term chess plan.

Nah I was very far from perfect, should have lynched Red over Corrik and just did the obvious IGCD in the final five instead of hedging. I just feel the need to clarify some of my expressed feelings were just manipulation ploys. People who are outwardly confident tend to die unpleasant deaths.

Honestly, you being alive is the only chance I felt to win. Panth and Mzero wasn insta lynched in my mind. You and Panth, was a maybe, but forcing you to guess who was godfather felt like the best chance I had.

That is exactly how I felt. It was still a long shot even then though.
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Did not read game but good job town.

Scum complaining about town confirmed replacement posts is kind of silly coming from Blade of all people -- I didn't read the post, it may have legitimacy-- but ever since the rage quit about FFD's farewell game with the atomic bomb dud I don't put much faith into "lol games over just fold scum" when scum wins games at a 80% clip here now.

Town scanner may have been too strong but if you play poorly enough to be scanned then perhaps you shouldn't win anyway as an aside.
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masterplum posted...

Also, Im serious about ignoring Corrik. I just cant play with people who refuse to ever think they are wrong. It tilts me too hard

You both could learn some humility tbh. Corrik's claims were bad but honestly nothing else about his play really seemed very scummy to me. People need to get over the stigma on early hammers.
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I may have died Day 1 in an embarrassing way, but in retrospect it just meant I got to play Three Houses unimpeded. In that case I'm the real winner tbh
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Hbthebattle posted...

I may have died Day 1 in an embarrassing way, but in retrospect it just meant I got to play Three Houses unimpeded. In that case I'm the real winner tbh

A true Jester. Lol
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Also who's in line for hosting after Pez?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Cop is not too strong when only two people in the entire game could have scanned guilty.

If hb just claims miller immediately the game is over. stand by this.
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red13n posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Cop is not too strong when only two people in the entire game could have scanned guilty.

If hb just claims miller immediately the game is over. stand by this.

He woulda fucked up eventually
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Leanansidhe posted...

FTR I'm Mechagodzilla and would have counter-claimed miller. I considered claiming miller because of the flavour and to hide the cop, but I truly detest millers.

this would have backfired on you immensely.
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I honestly don't really think Hb is safe with a miller claim. I think that was the wrong town to do that against and we'd have pressured him anyway assuming all other things about his play were similar.

I mean we literally butted heads with a mayor who said that the lynch wasn't happening to power the lynch through.
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Lopen posted...

masterplum posted...

Also, Im serious about ignoring Corrik. I just cant play with people who refuse to ever think they are wrong. It tilts me too hard

You both could learn some humility tbh. Corrik's claims were bad but honestly nothing else about his play really seemed very scummy to me. People need to get over the stigma on early hammers.

A person's play can be distracting, anti-town and overall obnoxious without being scummy.

I don't disagree with that and I could poke a lot of holes in Corrik's play. I said day 3 while I was dead that I thought he was trying to parody me since he was basically everything I did wrong in the last game x6 but I'm just saying the amount of certainty Plum had in Corrik being scum based on not all that much that was actually scummy seemed like exactly what Plum was condemning Corrik for to me.
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Yeah, I'm not looking to defend Plum here, just trying to shed some light on the "I am very annoyed by Corrik's play and don't want to play with him" sentiment.

It's a team game, and his play is very self-centered to the point of disregarding that.

Probably like 75% of b8 plays self-centered which is why the towns always lose Corrik is just more blatant about it.
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Like any time you're fighting a lynch train that has a case on it, or trying to push another lynch train that isn't one that has an existing case on it, and the best thing you have to support it is "gut" or something similarly weak you're playing self centered. It's basically just you wanting to be right with the read you found more than trying to figure the game out.

And that happens all the time.
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Lopen posted...

Probably like 75% of b8 plays self-centered which is why the towns always lose Corrik is just more blatant about it.

I don't lose very often.
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Reg posted...

It's a team game, and his play is very self-centered to the point of disregarding that.

Corrik literally played like his double faked Vanilla self was more valuable than both a cop and a doc. That tells you everything you need to know about the "team" mindset
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fire_bolt posted...

Reg posted...

It's a team game, and his play is very self-centered to the point of disregarding that.

Corrik literally played like his double faked Vanilla self was more valuable than both a cop and a doc. That tells you everything you need to know about the "team" mindset

I played that way to try and draw scum off the actual doctor and cop and to draw a shot. Yes. Team tactic.
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I think the idea was good it's just... poor timing. You need some credibility when you're doing that otherwise you're not looking like you're trying to draw a shot you look like desperate scum trying to draw counterclaims.

Also the hider claim was completely pointless and only served to undermine you later.
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Lopen posted...

I think the idea was good it's just... poor timing. You need some credibility when you're doing that otherwise you're not looking like you're trying to draw a shot you look like desperate scum trying to draw counterclaims.

Also the hider claim was completely pointless and only served to undermine you later.

It was never a relatively serious claim. Just tried it to use it to get off a stupid early hammer reasoning mislynch and double back to Doctor if countered to try and draw a shot.

Like, Blade said on the scum board "are they seriously going to lynch and uncountered doc claim". Lunacy. Lol
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Lopen posted...

I think the idea was good it's just... poor timing. You need some credibility when you're doing that otherwise you're not looking like you're trying to draw a shot you look like desperate scum trying to draw counterclaims.

Also the hider claim was completely pointless and only served to undermine you later.

Theres no universe where I ever fake claim doc as vanilla. Ever. Zero. I am not some mafia god.

Chris is the only one who maybe I wouldnt be adamantly against doing that, and even then I would be annoyed

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masterplum posted...

Theres no universe where I ever fake claim doc as vanilla. Ever. Zero. I am not some mafia god.

Chris is the only one who maybe I wouldnt be adamantly against doing that, and even then I would be annoyed

Claiming doctor as vanilla is not about saving your hide because you're just that valuable. That's not what Corrik was doing.

It's about buying yourself one day and hoping scum wastes their shot on you so you don't waste a lynch day. It requires a small amount of faith in your real doctor to not counterclaim but there are situations where you'd want to do it. You also want to be damn sure the lynch that is in your place is scum otherwise you're not helping anything because a mislynch is a mislynch-- which, we had a really good lynch lined up that day in red.

The problem is Corrik was a bit too buried and had already burnt up his credibility with a different fakeclaim, so it didn't have any chance of serving the intended purpose and was mostly just risky over everything else. I think in a different situation, with different timing, and with a different approach, it could have been a strong move though. I think he really needed to aim for a lower hanging fruit in red instead of trying to build a case from scratch. Play the "listen, we all thought Red was scum yesterday, let's just give Lea one more day" approach rather than FIREBOLT IS SCUM LOOK AT THESE 9000 POSTS I'M GOING TO QUOTE approach. Firebolt being the real doctor really drives home the "only do it if you're damn sure the lynch is in your place is scum" point.
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