Board 8 > Godzilla Mafia Topic 7: Long Live the King

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@IfGodCouldDie
@MZero11
@UltimaterializerX
@DoomTheGyarados
@Lopen
@Leanansidhe
@red13n
@Meow1000
@Lolo_Guru
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@ScareChan
@TheSultanOfSlam
@Hbthebattle
@Panthera
@masterplum
@fire_bolt
@Corrik7
@Popcorn_Fairy
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If Godzilla Could Die

Shame this didn't end last topic I suspect the results topic would have been called that
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Lopen posted...

If Godzilla Could Die

Shame this didn't end last topic I suspect the results topic would have been called that

That was gonna be the title of the postgame topic

shoulda listened to Reg and not make a new topic

Dead Town Chat: https://discord.gg/UFHnCrt

Scum chat: https://discord.gg/R8Pgujz
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gotta do groceries now, but a few quick balancing mental notes

I shouldve made Untargetable only immune to town roles, the original flavor even reflected that but then I changed it right before the game. Untargetable was the last scumrole addition if anyone can tell.

Cop is still too powerful it seems, even when 2 scum are immune to it.

Role PM flips also hurt scum more than not. But then again scum wanted/needed to kill Panth anyway
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Also this game felt way more chaotic than my last game from like 6 years ago, and it was a smaller size too.
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and everything red said was true
(allthough he didnt fight Blade much on wanting to shoot firebolt)
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I think the game went well aside from the second to last day, and Ulti policy mayoring scum he started a lynch on. I'd call Corrik a bad lynch but I can't deny he earned it to a degree with those wacky claims even though I think people started on him as "punishment" for hammering which I can't approve of

No idea how IGCD isn't just lynched as a safety lynch because there's no other reason whatsoever to leave him alive unless you're trying to frame Lea as possible scum and the last scum is MZero or Scare, but that setup requires IGCD to flip town first
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Lea's scans too unlucky for scum
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@Tom_Bombadil and I are hosting next game. I'll try to get a sign up topic up before I leave campus today.

Lopen posted...

I think the game went well aside from the second to last day, and Ulti policy mayoring scum he started a lynch on. I'd call Corrik a bad lynch but I can't deny he earned it to a degree with those wacky claims even though I think people started on him as "punishment" for hammering which I can't approve of

No idea how IGCD isn't just lynched as a safety lynch because there's no other reason whatsoever to leave him alive unless you're trying to frame Lea as possible scum and the last scum is MZero or Scare, but that setup requires IGCD to flip town first

Reading scum chat, my plan worked perfectly. If Blade hadn't been untargetable. = /
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Also I disliked how everyone was saying I was "joking" or that I didn't expect Corrik to hammer Red

I totally did expect him to and would have hammered Red myself if Corrik had taken me up on the unvote offer. Dude deserved it. You don't need to go 48 hours on literally every day you got a lot of solving material off that day with an early hammer especially with so many of the votes on Red not being purely pressure votes.

Already saw Red squirm out of a lynch with a fakeclaim last time so I figured just killing him then was best. All in all no harm done but it was probably the major hiccup the town had and I think the 48 hours all the time mentality is part of the reason b8 towns lose so much cause fatigue adds up.
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My first post was not a scum ploy, I legitimately was going to drop, but then inception dropped and I just decided to say fuck it and took my role PM.
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Leanansidhe posted...

I never actually suspected Mzero, but I insinuated that I did for info. Scum leaving me alive suggested Mzero was really town.

To be honest, I was in a position where I felt like I couldn't do anything to win basically from when Sultan got himself mod confirmed.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Wow, Corrik is really not a fan of me in the DTC.

I think you chose wrong basically all game and hoped u redeemed yourself in the final 3. Scum had to feel their only chance to win was you guessing wrong at the end.

Also, can't wrap my head around not scanning red night 2 or 3 because of upside of scan reasons.
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Sultan getting himself mod confirmed was a myth. I mean some people will meta but it's not a given.

The only thing that really did to sabotage scum is made Blade ragequit. The fact that MZero got scanned before IGCD should have been a hint that it didn't town confirm him.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leanansidhe posted...

I never actually suspected Mzero, but I insinuated that I did for info. Scum leaving me alive suggested Mzero was really town.

To be honest, I was in a position where I felt like I couldn't do anything to win basically from when Sultan got himself mod confirmed.

If you felt he was mod confirmed town, you would have shot him.
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I did follow this game super closely. How did Sultan get 'confirmed'?

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Leanansidhe posted...

I never actually suspected Mzero, but I insinuated that I did for info. Scum leaving me alive suggested Mzero was really town.

There was very little IGCD could do to survive in this last day. Both you and Panth were strongly cleared by setup meta. And he was probably the top suspect of all three. I think the WIFOM of why is the cop still alive end game is the most confusing thing he could do and therefore his best path to victory. Though clearly best here is a relative term.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I did follow this game super closely. How did Sultan get 'confirmed'?

He wasn't. He asked for a replacement in a way that some people thought he HAD to be town. And others thought he HAD to be scum.

Leanansidhe posted...

The reason I never scanned Red is because he was obvious scum for game reasons already. It's ironic because he was the only possible guilty scan I could get, but I didn't think Red needed a scan to be lynched.

Yet didn't Lynch him day 3 and instead pushed his hammerer from day 2. Doesn't add up. Red guilty gives you Ulti town. Lynch info for analyzing who must be town.

Red innocent gives you his alignment. Ulti remains unconfirmed. And lynch info.

Not a single scan had more information. Especially an inactive.
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Sultan's post confirmed him town because scum Sultan never makes that post. Scum Sultan wouldn't make that post even if his team told him to. I had to suggest it just to hope someone would be dumb enough to bite.

I heavily pushed my team to give up the game going into day 4 to save everyone a week of their lives. I knew it'd end with a bull**** town confirmed MZero winning the game by default and never read a single post after this point.

MZero replaced into the game as confirmed town and the hosts botched the game by letting it happen.
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Meow1000 posted...

Sultan's post confirmed him town because scum Sultan never makes that post.

I heavily pushed my team to give up the game going into day 4. I knew it'd end with a bull**** town confirmed MZero winning the game by default and never read a single post after this point.

MZero replaced into the game as confirmed town and the hosts botched the game by letting it happen.

You talked about a scenario you would replace in during day 1. I don't think he can modkill him there without warning you day 1.

But, yeah, he was clearly town from his replacement.
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Leanansidhe posted...

Eh

##Vote: IGCD

STOP
STOP
STOP

@htaeD
@DrPez

This is the way town wins
This is the way town wins
This is the way town wins

Not with a bang but an eh
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Corrik7 posted...

But, yeah, he was clearly town from his replacement.

And every notable player knew this, which is why the scum team should've quit once it was impossible to get the necessary number of mislynches because of this.

Could've saved everyone a week.
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Sultan is not a new player though. Maybe others are right, but my decision is made and cannot be unmade.

But scum had already been standing one foot in the grave since day1
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htaeD posted...

Sultan is not a new player though. Maybe others are right, but my decision is made and cannot be unmade.

But scum had already been standing one foot in the grave since day1

Scum could have easily won. Blade's giving up doomed them more than Sultan.
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I think if you, personally, Blade, try harder, that scumteam can win.

I also think if town had any common sense that the game ends at 5 left in which case confirmed MZero is rather irrelevant to the ending game state either way. There's also the fact that if MZero was modkilled and it was final 4 with IGCD being the last scanned town and Lea being left alive, that I'm less convinced Scare is lynched because I think town probably takes the more obvious safe play rather than overthinking it.

But yeah it's basically a cop out to try and blame scum loss on that. The first 3 major lynches that got any traction were all scum. At some point you take the L and say scumteam had some issues rather than trying to blame the host.
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Corrik7 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Leanansidhe posted...

I never actually suspected Mzero, but I insinuated that I did for info. Scum leaving me alive suggested Mzero was really town.

To be honest, I was in a position where I felt like I couldn't do anything to win basically from when Sultan got himself mod confirmed.

If you felt he was mod confirmed town, you would have shot him.

Obviously not, but ok.
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shooting Plum was also in the end not ideal
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You are Millennium Godzilla (Godzilla 2000), SCUM Jack

You are the 3rd movie incarnation of the legendary king of monsters! But also technically the 4th, the 5th and so forth! It us hard to keep track when they keep retconning your history and even your appearance!
Because of that who knows how many abilities you have! But you have seen many battles and many classic opponents, that is certain. That is why you have a number of powers you can use to destroy all monsters in your path!

Once each night you can use one of the following powers, but they are used up afterwards:
1 - Rolescan: You instantly recognize a monster or human as soon as you target it at night. You will get their role back to see how much of a threat they are!
2 - Strongman: You can help out your fellow godzillas when a kill is made. You target whoever makes a kill at night, and that kill cannot be stopped by anything.
3 - Ninja: You can also make your fellow godzillas immune to any roles that would see them move at night. You target whoever takes a night action, and they become invisible for the night. (Admittedly you learned this implausible stealth trick from that other monster in America, whose movie formed the basis for your return to the big screen)

You win when TOWN (the monsters) cannot stop SCUM (The Godzillas) from winning.

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You are Heisei Godzilla (The Return of Godzilla), SCUM Untargetable

You are the 2nd movie incarnation of the legendary king of monsters! A whole new breed of monster returning to the screen to disregard the continuity of the last 14 movies.
Now you're back, faster, stronger, taller and most of all meaner. Even among the other Godzillas you're just kind of a dick. More often than not you're the villain of your own movie, and that is impressive considering you have enemies like King Ghidorah.

But all that power comes with a cost. Slowly but surely your nuclear powered heart is melting down. You are not only destructive directly, but you are a threat to everyone around you!
Besides the Godzillas of course, they love some radio-activity. Everyone else though, cannot even get near you! For that reason you are completely Untargetable! Every targeted action taken against you will result in the targeter getting blocked.

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You are Showa Godzilla (Godzilla), SCUM Godfather

You are the 1st movie incarnation of the legendary king of monsters. The original, the classic, the one who sticks to people's memories the most!
You started out as the haunting merciless avatar of atomic power, a monstrous form emerging from the seas to destroy japan.
And yet somehow over the years you acquired the image of humanity's savior, the friendly neighborhood godzilla coming down to stop the monster of the week.
Sure there is always some collateral damage involved and it took a while for you to get into the groove of things. But now everyone loves you! The children do, even your sickeningly 'cute' runt of a son.

That is why you find yourself mixing in so well with the monsters you are trying to destroy. You have made so many friends among them th
at they cannot even see you as a threat anymore.
You will scan as town to any power that involves finding scum.

You win when TOWN (the monsters) cannot stop SCUM (The Godzillas) from winning.
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You are Legendary Godzilla (Godzilla 2014), SCUM Roleblocker

You are the 2nd american movie incarnation of the legendary king of monsters. Technically the first, because your previous appearance did not really do the godzilla name any honor.
But you have returned to the american shores to wreck havoc once more, even though you really dont mean too. You're just huge, the biggest godzilla known to man, you cannot help trashing buildings and flooding cities in your wake.
Luckily you are something of a hero to humanity, even if your image is not as wholesome as some other Godzillas. Whenever a monster gets out of line, you are there to give them some brutal discipline.

After all you are the king of monsters, the alpha. No one else can question your authority! So each night you can go out there and choose one monster (or human) and intimidate them with your mere presence.
You target a player at night and roleblock them. All their actions will fail and they will not get anythings out of their powers.
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You are Ebirah (Ebirah, Horror of the Deep), TOWN Vanilla

The Sea Monster, the Horror of the Deep, a Giant Shrimp.
You may be thinking the franchise was running out of ideas. After classic monsters and even aliens, Godzilla has resorted to fighting this?
You even let random terrorists use you for their own purposes. It took Godzilla waking up from a comfortable nap to put a stop to that, resulting in a fight that left you without your claw.

Maybe now you could try to challenge him to a more even match of rock, paper, scissors? Unfortunately, you can do little else.
You're just a standard vanilla. You have no powers but your vote.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.

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You are Jet Jaguar (Godzilla VS Megalon), TOWN Vanilla

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JET JAGUAR!
JET JAGUAR!
JET JAGUAR!

What more needs to be said?
Unfortunately you're still just a standard vanilla. You have no powers but your vote.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are Biollante (Godzilla VS Biollante), TOWN Vanilla

With the dawning of a new era came a a whole new wave of original monsters. And you were certainly not the least creative.
Born from a scientists wish to clone his dead daughter with the help of godzilla cells. What he got instead was a plant crocodile mutant monstrocity with no traces of humanity left.
Functionally immortal, you gave the king of monsters quite the fight. With your poisonous spores and acid, you managed to weaken him and drive him off... at least until the next movie.

You are just a standard nilla, you have no powers but your vote.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are Megaguirus (Godzilla VS Megaguirus), TOWN Vanilla

Not another flying enemy, Godzilla hates those! And its another bug too! At least its not one of those damned Mothra clones again.
You are Megaguirus, the monstrous dragonfly from the Millennium era. Your backstory is rather complicated, as it should be when it involves manmade black holes.

You are fast, cruel and your stinger can penetrate even Godzilla's thick skin to drain his very energy. But you are also rather fragile, what with being a giant insect and all.
And Godzilla has squashed plenty of bugs. In the end you're just a standard vanilla. You have no powers but your vote.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are MUTO (Godzilla 2014), TOWN Vanilla

Some might say the movie where Godzilla finally got a proper introduction into an american franchise and universe, was more about you and your destructive love story.
But you made an impression and were a worthy first enemy for the new King of Monsters. You are the MUTO, a Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organism.

You feed on radio-activity, which is a problem for old Godzilla but also for mankind with their nuclear arsenal. You can also unleash EMP pulses whenever it pleases you, causing no insignificant amount of carnage.
But when you come down to it, all you want to do is mate and spawn more of your kind so that you can take over the world. You kinda need a mate to start though. On your own you're just a big monster.
And a standard vanilla. You have no powers but your vote.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are The Japanese Government (Shin Godzilla), TOWN Mayor

Some say man is the real monster. You may disagree, but man is not helping itself in this movie. Not from the bureaucratic side at least!
The japanese government, too many members to name, too many voices with complains and regulations, too many meetings in too many rooms where too little gets done and information gets out far too slowly!
There is a giant horrifying monster out there destroying your cities and killing your people, clearly without a hint of motive or remorse, and you are wasting time with dinosaur experts and negotiation talks!
Just forget about procedure, just destroy the abomination before it. Oh too late, it already layed waste to your entire infrastructure. Good thing you took that vote in the 5th conference room on whether or not to take action.

You are the Mayor, once during the game and one time only you can stop a lynch entirely. You can send the action in during the day by sending me (or a cohost) a role PM, or in the first 15 minutes after the actual lynch.
All votes will be erased and NO LYNCH will take place instead. Town can get stuck in so much legislation, they wont get anything killed.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are Mothra (Mothra VS Godzilla), TOWN Tracker

Mothra oh Mothra

If we were to call for help

Over time, over sea, like a wave

You'd come

Our guardian angel.

How many times have you died by now? Who can tell at this point. But you keep coming back, and you are still one of the strongest monsters known to the world.
Mothra, the Queen of the Monsters. Evolving from a simple larva into the majestic divine moth, you have become the protector of your island and also been a hero to the people whenever a crisis arose.
You can wrap your foes up in indestructible silk, poison them with your scales. But your ability to mentally communicate with other beings has been your greatest strength.

Nothing goes on without you knowing about. You can Track one player at night, each night, and find out what other player they have targeted. You will see with your big eyes what good or evil they have been up to.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are Gamera (Gamera), TOWN Doctor

Twelve movies spanning two eras. You have quite a legacy.
Yet you never met Godzilla, in fact you were created to be his rival in the film industry first and foremost.
But your fame matches that of the King of Monsters, so much so that people could be fooled into thinking you and him have fought before.
You started out as an aggressive beast but with a soft spot for the innocent. And over the years you became a permanent fixture of the history as one of the good ones. And who could not love a flying giant turtle?

Because of your heroic nature and your tough shell, you can fly through continuity itself to cross over into the realm of monsters and protect them from harm!
Each night you can target one player. They cannot be killed by all conventional forms of murder.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.
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You are Hedorah (Godzilla VS Hedorah), TOWN Poisoner

Japan faced its next major threat after the atomic horror of Godzilla: an endless wave of pollution. And pollution can attract even more danger.
Hedorah, a living mold of mud and toxic slime born from a space nebula, as space nebula are known to do, descends to feed on the smog and waste of today's industry!

Your very presence is deadly to those around you, even if your only instinct is to survive and evolve, growing bigger and more monstrous with each passing hour.
Thousands have died, millions have been negatively affected. And you were just depressing to hang around with. Your poison can even weaken the King of Monsters!
Once during the game, at night, you can target a player. They will be poisoned and they have but one day left to live. They will be told that they were poisoned but not by whom.
Choose your target well.

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated.

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You are Mecha Godzilla (Godzilla VS Mecha Godzilla), TOWN Cop

Everything is better with robots. Especially Godzilla.
Mecha Godzilla, Kiryu, Super Mecha Godzilla. Take whatever incarnation you can find, you will find one of the franchise's most classic and nostalgic enemies.

A lew of powers are at your command, dozens of laserweapons, missiles, a head that can spin around madly or even come off to reveal another head. Its just nuts.
But your greatest asset is your form, your name. You are Godzilla, not the Godzilla, but you know one when you see one!
Each night you can target one player. You will find out whether they are TOWN or SCUM. And your aim is to find them all and destroy them!

You win when the last threat to TOWN has been eliminated
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UltimaterializerX posted...

IGCD even if it was a scum ploy no one would fault you. Your job as scum as staying alive by any and all means necessary within the rules. That said I got the general idea what happened and that is seriously terrible of him to do. I'm also in no way surprised by him treating people that way, unfortunately. He never rubbed me the right way.

What is this in regards to?
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The primary reason scum lost is the roleblocker outright claimed scum page 1 of topic 1 and the cop played a virtually perfect game

It was just the final nail

(Can my roleblockers stop claiming scum day 1 because we probably win that if anything but RB does there)
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Yeah I would say scum shots threw the game almost as much as scum play

Why priority was placed on doctor hunting when there were so many confirmed town on the board and the only scum who weren't imminently going to die couldn't be directly caught by cop anyway (untargetable and godfather)

Like I'm taking Ulti or Panthera (who was basically confirmed due to town scanning + irrational target for scum poisoner shot) out that night, not trying to hit a doc. Also I think red should've counterclaimed doc cause I think he could've outargued fire_bolt and doctor is one of the only claims you could've maybe sold that day 2 reaction as town for.
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We won the game day 1 and had to slowly drag over the finish line.

Good job Lea. You did great. I dont have as nice things to say about other people who were alive after day 1
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Lopen posted...

Sultan getting himself mod confirmed was a myth. I mean some people will meta but it's not a given.

The only thing that really did to sabotage scum is made Blade ragequit. The fact that MZero got scanned before IGCD should have been a hint that it didn't town confirm him.

I thought he was mod confirmed scum

So yeah, he was not mod anything
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I can't even fathom anyone thinking Sultan could be scum with his replacement post. Scum Sultan never makes that post. He never even *thinks* of making that post as scum.

Anyway who's hosting next I'm in again
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