Board 8 > Umineko Playthrough Topic Part 7

(+) Yeah! (+)

well, there's only one episode 8.

it can be bern's final cruel game

or battler's final happy game

no way to know which until we open the box?

not really sure what to say about any of that.

well, if you want to check my scoreboard for figuring out that shannon was the mastermind, i think i pass with at least a C+, maybe even a B. maybe even higher.

if you want to check to see if i called that rudolf and kyrie are evil murderers, then, uh, no, i suppose i certainly did not.

that is, if the above two paragraphs are true. the game still hasn't 100% confirmed it.

nice portrait of will and lion

i also sort of lose my ability to express myself after playing/posting nonstop for like 6 hours so, i need a break either way

but feel free to ask any questions, since i feel i've been a bit lacking in providing insight on the entire final segments of that episode

How'd you like episode 7 overall? I know you were a bit dissatisfied with the answers being provided through continuous exposition, but the ending was pretty wild.
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i was actually going to write a post during the sibling fight that even though it was a predictable outcome for them all to fight, it was a little awkward for kyrie and hideyoshi since they're the ones who are actually good people and wouldn't involve themselves in it

i ended up not because i just wanted to keep reading, but if i had you could've all laughed =P

Sceptilesolar posted...

How'd you like episode 7 overall? I know you were a bit dissatisfied with the answers being provided through continuous exposition, but the ending was pretty wild.

well, the second half (or rather, the tea party), like i said, i how a climactic, answer-giving chapter should go. imo.

like i said. there was action. conflict. build up. huge suspense. not as much as a standard blue/red battle, but still, stuff was happening. the pieces are all being laid out. you get a sense that something big is going to be revealed.

and then, at the height of it, at the climax, when you're the most invested, the action builds naturally towards ange demanding, for the third and final time, to be told who the game master is, and bern finally saying "there is none. this is the truth." which is a shocking moment that was properly built up to and leaves a real impact. and is then followed up with "and that's why this story leads to eva being the only one left alive, because she gets to kuwadorian and survives, remember", with the whole story being a misdirection to make you forget (though, i didn't, i kept wondering if this was ep 3 or 4, but still) about that key fact and what it means, until it hits you and you're blindsided and shocked

compare that to the long expository flashback about shannon, where you get the gist of what's happening right at the start and there's no major buildup, no shocks, no anything...

yeah

i mean i didn't dislike episode 7, it's still fine, it was just sort of underwhelming. i wish the big reveal had been revealed, y'know, during a "wild" sequence, instead of a slow one.

hell it still wasn't even revealed in the end

and i don't think that's a good thing

because i'm sitting here wondering if the game was actually trying to tell me shannon was the killer or if it's still misleading me and i'm a fool and i missed something?

like, if you're telling me the answer, then tell me the answer. otherwise i feel led on and confused.

i took a look back and i noticed that even i, myself, never made any posts where i referred to lion as any gender before that got "revealed"

but i came very close to calling her best girl or my waifu a bunch of times, but i didn't actually say it

i can imagine people watching someone play want to see if the reader has assumed lion's gender and i guess i never actually indicated it, but don't worry, i was in love with her from the start and still am

Schrodinger's pants.

Also, I liked the Episode 7 tea party even though it was cruel to Ange. It's just like...a train wreck. Bern is such a pos and everyone thought she was the good witch at the beginning. Cool stuff.

Any characters you want to see more of in EP8? Any prediction on the content now that the game has (supposedly) been solved?
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You may want to consider Will's answer list and see what solutions you come up with, because as Bern said "I'm mean, so I won't give any more hints than this."

Speaking of not having posted insights, you really blew through the end section of the Tea Party without saying much on it. Any particular reason why?

well, like i said i think posting for 6 hours just meant i was spent and had no further comments to make.

what in particular are you wondering about? the end section of the tea party? you mean after the island stuff ended? ange died again and then will came to save lion.

it's nice, i'm happy for lion that she gets to be maybe saved. i dunno. i don't have any strong opinion on the fantasy stuff.

as for the tea party, like i said, i was in denial about kyrie (and rudolf) for a bit but i can accept it pretty easily, after all it just makes sense that in a story about murders over an inheritance that two people who have literally never denied being ruthless and selfish would murder people.

i don't think bern is lying about that being the real fragment that ange came from or about lion's fragment having the same ending? i guess she could be, if so then i will shamefully apologize to kyrie for ever doubting her.

but you know, this game's theme is that the truth is what you make of it. i don't have to accept this evil kyrie, i can still hold on to the awesome badass genius kyrie i spent 6 episodes with. <3

As for Will's "answer list", do you mean when he went over each of the murders? It was pretty vague, huh. The only time he even said anything was for the first twilight of game one, asking her "what if they stepped closer and examined the body"

I'm not super interested in trying to solve the murders. I know who did it now and that means that in many cases I can just sort of say "well their body was fake apparently and then they were dead so they had an opportunity to sneak around and kill people"

not that that makes everything make sense, after all i could swear both of the killer's names would get confirmed in red to be dead? multiple times? so, we'll see.

but solving those riddles isn't something i'm particularly good at it. my analysis has primarily been about the why dunnit and i'm happy with that. howdunnit's not my speciality.

Raka_Putra posted...

Bern is such a pos and everyone thought she was the good witch at the beginning. Cool stuff.

but it doesn't make any sense to me?

like it's not like there was a twist where she suddenly revealed she was evil and why she was pretending to be good

she just sort of started being evil and it was lame

it felt like the writer didn't plan on her being evil at the start but changed course during episode 4

she even has completely different sprites during answer arcs, mostly, so she looks evil all the time when she didn't before.

so was she trying to hide her evilness at the start...? even when she was in scenes alone with lambda...?

doesn't really make any sense to me.

Any characters you want to see more of in EP8? Any prediction on the content now that the game has (supposedly) been solved?

I don't feel there's anyone I need to see more of, really. The game could have ended after episode 7 and I wouldn't have even felt particularly left hanging, except that Battler was barely in the chapter. Knowing the culprit and their motive brings things mostly to a close. If all we're going to do is go through each murder and explain them, is that even, like, narratively... a compelling story? Maybe there'll be more toit.

That said, now that you mention it...

When we cover episode 3, I'd like to see a bit more of Hideyoshi and Eva, particularly if Hideyoshi did help Eva escape the mansion, I'd like to know his full motivations there, if Eva was truly planning to kill people?

I'd like to see a bit more of Rudolf in a non-evil fragment, since it felt like Rudolf and Battler never really got any arc together. I always expected this to come and it never did. Hell, even in the evil fragment, Rudolf still cares about Battler. I wish we could've seen what Rudolf's plan to "trick" Battler was in the ep7 tea party before Eva got to him first.

And more Gohda, of course. <3

hey

dels

take 5 minutes and reread the Ep 1 ??? imo

(Nothing to do with spoilers or the mystery or anything. Just Bern's characterization)

i mean i remember she was never explicitly, like, good, she never claimed to be good either, she just seemed "not awful", which by witch standards, meant good

It's really hard to say how much of Umineko was planned in advance and how much evolved as he thought more about things. Yasu's story went pretty much unchanged, I have to imagine, but was Bern intended to be the antagonist for the answer arcs from the start? I can't really guess.

Her role is also a bit interesting since it's playing on expectations from Higurashi.
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is Bern from Higurashi...?!

I know Virgilia is way different than her original concept at least
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I mean, I don't think most of Umineko could be come up with as you went along. It's so intricately planned. When you say "Yasu's story", that includes basically everything about what magic is, what the meta world is, etc. That must've been planned.

But it's true that some of Answer Arcs could be planned on the spot. Like, when he wrote episode 1 did he realize that half of Answer Arcs would revolve around a forced detective character named Erika? Who knows, then...?

Anyway, we're very close to being able to talk about this stuff fully, but one episode left

Tom Bombadil posted...

I know Virgilia is way different than her original concept at least

i mean, her concept changes from chapter to chapter =P

but i feel she's remained mostly consistent in answer arcs - i.e. she hasn't been the ep3 evil or the ep4 childish (and evil)

hm. I need to do character rankings, i think? there've been enough new people that merit rankings, plus i skipped episode 6.

so... new entries from episodes 6 and 7 should be...

Zepar + Furfur
Featherine/Hachijo

Will
Lion
Clair (does this even... count...?)

Um, I feel I'm definitely forgetting someone, but who...?

no, i suppose that's it.

oh, the joy of ranking 45 characters... this was supposed to just be a simple ranking of 18 after each chapter...

Dels posted...

But it's true that some of Answer Arcs could be planned on the spot. Like, when he wrote episode 1 did he realize that half of Answer Arcs would revolve around a forced detective character named Erika? Who knows, then...?

I honestly hope he planned that, lol.

There's a character in Higurashi named Furude Rika and when I heard that he derived her name from Frederica, I was a bit sad he didn't use the name Erika (my name). So I was pleased when Umineko came out and he turned the name Frederica into Furudo Erika.
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interesting that he has some sort of thing for that name lol

the thing with the meta world is

like

so

yasu invented witches as a child and so did maria and they collaborated on it and made a whole magical universe

but it's all just stuff they made up

and bern + others have no problem showing us that

so

yasu totally made up a bunch of witch stuff, but witches do actually exist and therefore yasu was coincidentally right about it?

but witches exist only like lambda and bern do, traveling around between fragments and living in this meta world and not actually interacting with humans. (except, apparently, lion's world, where bern did interfere, and lion could meet her, and it... wasn't imaginary?)

like, if witches aren't real, that means lion couldn't ever meet bern or will.

so

i'm still unclear, y'know.

(and i have a feeling maybe y'all are as well since i'm not sure episode 8 is going to clarify)

Dels posted...

(and i have a feeling maybe y'all are as well since i'm not sure episode 8 is going to clarify)

I have my idea on how the meta layers work, but it might not be the same as everyone else's.
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I just don't think too much about it. After all, it's a fantasy!

(Of course that doesn't mean fantasy doesn't have to have its consistent rules, but Umineko sure doesn't care too much about them.)
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Character rankings are complete.

This was the hardest set of rankings to do.

Because episode 7 changed a lot of the characters - or rather, it didn't quite change them - it added to them, giving them multiple parts. How do I rank the Rudolf and Kyrie that I like from episodes 1 to 6, while also incorporating how I feel about their episode 7? How do my rankings of Shannon and Kanon change based on learning new things that totally changes their dynamic? Most importantly, how does my ranking of Beatrice change when I've seen her have more "forms" than ever, and learning about what her "true" personality is, but also the fact that she is the same person, technically, as one of the other (lower ranked characters), but also sort of... isn't, because she's her own being created by that person?

Ultimately I just go with my gut - I have the names in front of me and I make a bracket and just vote on 1v1 matchups (essentially gauntlet style, ensuring every matchup gets done), so the characters have shaken out wherever they shake out, and all of those characters get boosted or lowered a bit based on me having to accept new info about them, but that new info doesn't form the entire judgment.

You did the whole gauntlet? That's quite the dedication.
I'm interested in where you'll rank Erika, Lion, and Will too.
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I do the whole gauntlet every time

Character Rankings (Post-Episodes 5 and 6)

45. Amakusa (Down 5 spots)
I just don't like this character type or design so I don't care about him at all, plus he's apparently a bad guy and he only existed to spout off "clever" banter with Ange this past episode

44. Bernkastel (Up 1 spot)
She doesn't rank dead last because, well, her over-the-top evilness is at least sort of well executed, I just don't appreciate it because it's not even, like, "interesting" evil. There's no relevant backstory or depth to explain why she's so evil, she just is. Plus I feel it's still incongruent with how she was not evil at the start. (Except that she was tortured for 1000 years, yeah, I get it)

43. Professor Ootsuki (No change)
42. Nanjo Mayasuki (Down 1 spot)

41. Clair (New)
Uh, yeah, this is a hard character to rank. When I'm ranking Clair, I'm ranking the "blank slate" personality, the one who appears on stage and says poetic shit like "I am one, but I am all, now I shall recount my tale". Clair-Beatrice and Chapel-Clair are just that character taking the form. But that barely matters because Clair doesn't have a character and that's why she can't rank above literally anyone who does. So, whatever.

40. Kumasawa Sabakichi (Down 2 spots)

39. Chiester Sisters (Up 2 spots)
The pink one is like, vaguely cute, and the blonde military one is still not annoying. The other one sucks.

38. Genji (Down 9 spots)
I'm just so over him. I don't find him interesting at all. He's just noble and quiet and I guess that's it. I suppose I'm supposed to finding it interesting how he tried to help Yasu reclaim the inheritance and how he came up with that plan to "test" Kinzo to see if he'd be ready to accept his granddaughter. (And btw, Yasu must be female and not male, or else Genji wouldn't think Kinzo would want to rape them, right?) I just find his lack of backbone and personal autonomy to be sort of boring at this point.

37) Kasumi Sumadera (Down 5 spots)

36) Kinzo (Down 6 spots)
Kinzo has mostly stayed higher than this because he's, like, ultimately relatively compelling when he's on screen, but his good favor has sort of come to an end because ultimately it's just not very sympathetic at all. Oh, he was in love with Beatrice (this romance wasn't very compelling TBH) and then he raped his daughter and he feels bad. Boo hoo. He's still sort of compelling but I just don't care about him and he's also just a really bad person. I couldn't tell what the game wanted me to feel about young Kinzo either - like he was apparently a good guy, but I didn't get a "sense" of his character beyond that, yeah, he was good when he was younger.

35) George (Down 2 spots)
I still just don't care about George. And maybe that's the point - even Shannon was faking her love with him. Ultimately he's just a really uptight and arrogant smug guy who no one will ever love. Including me. Does George even have fans? Who could ever like George...? All he does is go on and on about why he's so smart and why he's such a good, mature person. It's ironic - As he describes how he "used to be ignorant and didn't realize how immature I was and how I was just trying to show off" and etc, he doesn't realize that he's actually still exactly the same. Which, really, if you think about it, is very authentic, because that's how humans are. We're all sort of the same, we always think our past self was bad and we're so much more mature/better now, but we're not.

Dels posted...

I couldn't tell what the game wanted me to feel about young Kinzo either - like he was apparently a good guy, but I didn't get a "sense" of his character beyond that, yeah, he was good when he was younger

There was an enlightening scene near the end of the tea party regarding this, I'm wondering if you caught it.
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uh. nope. i don't even remember kinzo being part of the tea party at all really

He wasn't, but there was one line that popped up. When Bern starts to cut up Clair, three scenes pop up one after another, and the first one is about young Kinzo. It's a very blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment.

This is just recounting it if you don't feel like going back.

The line claims that Kinzo encouraged the Japanese soldiers to try and seize the gold from the Italians, directly leading to the ensuing slaughter. Young Kinzo is just as much a monster as old one.
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Oh. I noticed the scenes, but I think I assumed they were things I had already seen? Or was that at another time.

Either way, neat. Yeah, that makes sense.

I wanna keep playing today, maybe just finish the game over the weekend. I'm not dying to get to chapter 8, because like I said, I feel like the big stuff is resolved and it'll just be riddle answers and/or fantasy world stuff (which I don't care about as much)

But I do wanna be able to finally talk about the game in full with people being able to respond back, plus I'll be doing a dive through the internet to read more fan theories and opinions and etc (and read the theatregoing topic of course)

on that note, let's continue ranking

34) Seven Sisters (Up 3 spots)
Miraculously, these girls are going up a bit. The reason is because they've vaguely acculumated at least a few good moments throughout the chapters, and because it was kind of cool to see them as servants - I particularly liked the second pair of Asmo and Beelze who argued on stage over the disappearing key, it was a cool segment. And, hey, when they're not just complaining about each other and sexually torturing Battler, I don't mind these characters terribly.

33) All of the Goats (Up 1 spot)
That's right, if you're below here, that means I like mute goats more than you. At least the goats are cute.

32) Gertrude and Cornelia (Up 3 spots)
Their designs are still cool so I don't dislike them even though they have no personality. It is funny when they break their "formality" and use their gimmick to be like "Please allow me to speak. What you just said is fucking stupid"

31) Nanjo (Down 3 spots)
It was very tempting to just give him no writeup and act like he's a minor character not worthy of one. But I'll give him a writeup. He, uh, still hasn't done anything. But it's sort of neat to learn the backstory of when he met Kinzo and why he's so loyal to him. But also, uh, Kinzo doesn't really... deserve Nanjo's respect any more. So I'd like Nanjo more if he, like, stopped being friends with a rapist. But whatever.

30) Maria (Down 13 spots)
No, Maria didn't do anything to drop. She just hasn't really achieved anything new. She started ranking higher because I got used to her and quite liked the way her arc represents the themes of the game so well. But she hasn't done anything in a while other than Uuu and be 8, so, whatever. Ultimately she is well-written but I've lost the fondness for her that I had.

29) Jessica (Up 2 spots)
There's a vague sort of charmingness to the way she handled the lovers duel and murdering people. I have nothing else to say though, I don't really like Jessica. Too teenage-y.

28) Featherine / Hachijo (New)
Not much to say. Like I said, she hasn't shown her evilness that Bern claims she has, so I won't drag her down for being a bad guy just yet. Other than that, she's totally plain. She's a bit of an egotistic condescending jerk like George, but at least she's a goddess to back it up. (Hachijo has no excuse and would rank lower for just being batty, but Featherine balances it out with a little bit more class)

27) Sakutarou (Down 2 spots)
Still sort of cute and not annoying to me.

26) Erika (Up 16 spots)
Okay, well, let's start by noting that, whatever you feel about this placement, a jump of 16 is still a major victory for Erika. As you saw, I got quite used to Erika and her gimmicks, and ended up finding her quite amusing in the end. She's still, like... awful? But the game knows she's awful and plays it up, and the over-the-topness of her gimmick and her obsession with packing tape and everything else is pretty funny. I almost sort of missed her during episode 7.

25) Kanon (Up 10 spots)
This is a big jump I'm not entirely sure why. He just hasn't been horribly annoying me lately, probably mostly because he got a more positive outlook this chapter earlier on, but also because the duel was a pretty nice scene, and then at the end he said some smart stuff or whatever before "saving" Battler. So he was a bit more respectable this chapter. He's also apparently a figment of Shannon's imagination but that doesn't really affect anything except it explains why he's so negative.

A middling placement for Erika is super impressive in its own way

oh fuck me i accidentally closed the tab while i was nearly done with the next set. god damnit.

24) Captain Kawabata(Down 2 spots)

23) Hideyoshi(Down 13 spots)
I am fickle, and rankings can sway based on my mood the day I do them. This guy has basically not done anything in multiple chapters other than just be there and be a nice guy. I'm fond of him but it's never been a strong fondness so he's just fading away in my memory as he makes no impression recently.

22) Gohda (Down 9 spots)
Same here. Gohda just has not done anything new in a long time. (Well, okay, he never did anything at all, to tell the truth) He's still amusing, but, like, whatever. I'm not in a Gohda mood anymore apparently.

21) Lambadelta (Up 5 spots)
Okay, so this is where I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite. Why do I hate Bern for being evil but like Lambda anyway? Well, I started off hating Lambda, she was just an evil loli witch, which is boring. But she's sort of grown on me. I think it's just because her personality is more fun. If Lambda, as her design suggests, is "sweet", Bern is "bitter." And sweet things go down way easier. It also helps that she's at least more upfront about her evilness, plus she's a child and it's easier to accept. Bern comes across like she should be more mature; she should know better.

20) EVA Beatrice (Up 1 spot)
The other key to being liked by me even if you are evil is having a reason for it. Some sort of depth. EVAtrice has a very good reason for being cruel - she is the literal personification of the selfishness developed from being a child who is bullied and abused, by their own parents, told that they can never have anything they want and will never be anything, because they are female. Also I just still like her design.

19) Shannon (Up 4 spots)
I've never been a huge Shannon fan, and nothing has really changed here. But she does get a lot more backstory this chapter, and I have to admit I felt really bad for her with the whole heartbreak thing and the way she dealt with it. It was very sad, and relateable. It's also quite sad to note that, like - we already knew she seemed a bit scared of leaving the island behind and pursuing her own life, which was understandable. But she actually literally had 20 tons of gold and could do anything she wanted, but she still wasn't able to, choosing to create fantasy worlds in her head instead. Ultimately though, her personality hasn't changed. She is still just "shy, timid, but inwardly strong and really wants love", which, y'know, is nothing new. And that's mostly what determines whether I like her or not, so nothing has changed really.

18) Will (New)
Will is sort of hard to rank. On one hand, yeah, I like him. On the other hand, he's just sort of... a very standard male anime protagonist. There's nothing unique here. But he's cool, and the fact that he's openminded and sympathetic regarding crimes of the heart and people's feelings and etc makes him quite wise, which is nice. He was a good PoV, even though it was really weird how out of nowhere it was, since he had no personal relation to any of the events.

17) Okonogi Tetsurou (Down 3 spots)
Apparently he was a bad guy all along, so he drops a few spots. He was still cool though.

16) Zepar and Furfur (New)
Don't ask me why I hate every other group of gimmick sisters, but like these two.

I have more to say about Shannon but I'm going to wait until I'm done chapter 8 and am officially reviewing back through this topic/the theatregoing topic.

15) Battler (Down 3 Spots)
I feel a little bad for this low ranking, because I do like Battler. But ultimately, a protagonist is a protagonist, and its just not my favourite character type, yknow? Battler obviously wasnt in episode 7, and in episode 6 he was, yknow, purposefully not revealing most of his feelings. But its cool how he sort of realized he loved Beatrice? Now, I dont know if this meta world is real or not or just more stuff inside Shanons head. But if the meta world is real, its sort of, almost a sweet story? But also not really? Because why would Battler love Beatrice when she really did murder 18 people? I need see episode 8 before I can make a judgment. But at least from what we see in game, its a good romance, just from the fact that Battler and Beatrice clearly had massive chemistry throughout Question Arcs.

14) Dlanor (Up 4 spots)
Dlanor is pretty weird and Im probably being a little too gentle on her just because she had some sympathetic character development in the rose garden that one time. Her whole creepy evil thing she does when you fight her is just weird and I dont really get it. Her Desu = Death gimmick is pretty hard to take seriously as well. But, I dunno, the whole package is pretty interesting, ultimately.

13) Ronove (Up 4 spots)
Ronove is still cool. He hasnt done anything. All he did in episode 7 was ask if he could get a name instead of being called Head Furniture. But thats fine.

12) Virgilia (Up 4 spots)
Now that shes done being a horribly inconsistent character, she is just her usual serene self at all times, and it is quite nice. Its not like she has a ton of depth, but she is a nice calming presence.

11) Gaap (Up 11 spots)
Theres no major reason for this boost other than that the more time we spend with her, the more I get used to her, and feel, like with Virgilia, comfortable with her. But she had some fun scenes in episode 7. I just like her now, nothing else to say.

10) Rudolf (Down 1 spot)
So, after thinking about it, or rather, not really thinking about it, Rudolf stays about the same. Being willing to kill people for money is basically totally in line with his earlier character anyway. He was never high for being a good person, just for being interesting, though admitedly he was pretty badass in episode 3 and it made me respect him, and I cant respect him anymore, but hes still an interesting character.

9) Rosa (Down 2 spots)
Well, nothing really new here that I can recall. Shes just done more of the same. Shes still well-written and a good character. But shes also Rosa. Yknow?

8) Kyrie (Down 4 spots)
I did the best I could here. Kyrie from episodes 1 to 6 is still a genius and totally awesome. Episode 7 sadly lowers her stock. Unlike with Rudolf, her actually being a psychopath doesnt actually fit very well with her character up until now, which makes it harder to accept. Her psycopathy is actually not very interesting. I looked back to my initial killer chance rankings and I said that Kyrie couldnt be the mastermind because I couldnt imagine her getting any evil-looking sprites. And she doesnt. She doesnt have any evil sprites. She just stays totally straight-faced. I suppose thats how psychopaths are. Anyway, this new turn definitely fits her character since she always was upfront about being very driven for selfish goals and she never gave any reason to believe she was a particularly kind person. But it makes me have to lower her, because shes still tainted now. If her evilness was in line with her character (i.e. how Yasus evilness is in line with theirs, since they kill for love and because of their life circumstances), then maybe, but as it is its just kind of like a shocker, she was just psycho the whole time and pretends not to be which isnt super compelling. Surprising, but not compelling.

7) Kumasawa (Up 8 spots)
I kind of surprised myself here. Kumasawa hasnt really done a lot, no. But shes a little more visible than Gohda, appearing in some of the spirit world sections even, and has more of a relation to Kinzo and Beatrices plot. Now, Kumasawa is another person who doesnt reallyprotest much against the bad things Kinzo does. But, I guess shed have no ability to. She does seem to do her best to always make the elder Beatrice and the younger Beatrices lives as good as possible. Her scenes with Yasu were sweet. Ultimately, even though shes never had any focus (nevermind literally any relevance to any murder plots other than dying or screaming), her little bits have continued to add up.

6) Eva (Down 1 spot)
Episodes 6 and 7 havent been particularly great ones for Eva. We get all of the immaturity, the cruelty, the complete inability to function as a proper human being Without any of her upsides, aka her intelligence and emotional struggles and love for Hideyoshi. Episode 7 particularly just makes her look dumb and weak as she panics about the bomb switch for no reason and then dies. (Or, rather, doesnt) In episode 6 she exists to be horrible to George and then die. But. Yknow, she wouldnt be our good old loveable Auntie Eva without all those things, so! And ultimately, shes just still compelling throughout that, and also her voice acting is really, really top notch. Those screams. Augh.

5) Krauss (Up 5 spots)
Uhhhhhhhhhh. Look, I just like Krauss, okay?

How can Rosa be this high??? She's horrible in every way.
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