Poll of the Day > Do you give money to the homeless?

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BADoglick
10/02/18 3:32:01 PM
#1:


Do you? - Results (15 votes)
Yes, somewhat regularly
0% (0 votes)
0
Occasionally
20% (3 votes)
3
Depends on circumstances
6.67% (1 vote)
1
I'll give food/water/cigarettes etc but not cash
6.67% (1 vote)
1
No
66.67% (10 votes)
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I got a strict 'don't feed the bears' policy. I've worked downtown five years and it's been the same damn homeless people for the whole time, except more are added. They're kind of aggressive and rude too, I'm really over it
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DPsx7
10/02/18 3:47:14 PM
#2:


Not directly. Sometimes we'll give canned goods or old clothes during collection drives. At least it's more likely to go to those in need. I've seen people begging for money dressed in decent clothing and wonder if they're just scamming the system.
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Troll_Police_
10/02/18 3:47:22 PM
#3:


Absolutely not. I live in a city with the programs needed to keep them fed and sheltered and employed. Giving them money is enabling whatever habits they have causing to remain on the streets.
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Mead
10/02/18 3:47:49 PM
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No because if they get too much money they can afford rent and then theyre out of a job
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InfestedAdam
10/02/18 3:50:07 PM
#5:


I usually give $2-5 if I have the bills and if it is not too out of the way for me. If I'm at a market, I'd buy some food for em.
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GreenKnight127
10/02/18 3:51:48 PM
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Every homeless person I've ever seen....spends their entire day at the same street corner. Standing out in the heat. In the cold. With their stereotypical cardboard sign with a message you can barely read on it. "Former military. Homeless. Please. Anything helps. God bless." etc.

But I can't help but notice that they have clothes on. Sometimes damn decent clothes too. Nice boots. Jeans without holes. They seem physically able. Some of them even seem to have recent haircuts, or evidence that they shaved within the week. Basic needs are being met somehow.

So why can't they get a job? Even if it's something as mundane as being a grounds keeper at a park or business? Don't have to "look" pretty. They can pay you under the table. Something. Get other homeless friends to split the difference to get a cheap apartment or trailer. Have an actual address. Open a checking account. Enable more employers to give you direct deposit. Bam. You aren't homeless anymore.

The problem isn't homelessness or even poverty. The problem is DRUG ADDICTION and DEPRESSION.

Money and time management.

Giving money to the homeless encourages the problem.

And this isn't even getting into the "homeless" people who have cell phones, new tattoos, piercings, cars, etc.

They aren't homeless. They just have zero ability to manage their finances.
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Mead
10/02/18 3:53:25 PM
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But I can't help but notice that they have clothes on.


Those smug bastards.
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InfestedAdam
10/02/18 3:56:20 PM
#8:


GreenKnight127 posted...
And this isn't even getting into the "homeless" people who have cell phones

I've been told there are supposedly programs in place to provide for them donated/old phones and the service that allows them to be contacted for employment. Nowadays that's probably a must-have.
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darkknight109
10/02/18 4:20:55 PM
#9:


Yes. I donate to charity and I give money if someone's asking. I like to hope that it's buying them a meal or a warm bed for the night, but even if it winds up buying a bottle of booze (or whatever their drug of choice is), I hope it brings them some small measure of happiness, for whatever it's worth.

For all the people who say "Giving them money doesn't fix the problem", not giving them anything at all sure as shit doesn't help either.

GreenKnight127 posted...
Get other homeless friends to split the difference to get a cheap apartment or trailer.

Split *what* difference? Homeless people aren't exactly known to be flush with cash. You're basically saying "No money? Get a job to earn money! Oh, you don't have a home to base yourself out of to get the job? Just spend some money on an apartment!"

Beyond that, in order to get a job you need to pass a job interview. In order to pass a job interview, you need to submit an application. An application typically requires an address and a means of contact (phone number and e-mail address preferably); homeless people frequently have neither. But assuming you somehow get around that little obstacle, the interview will require you to be reasonably presentable - clean, with fresh clothes and preferably a decent haircut (and a shave for the guys). Then, assuming you get past that, you'll need to actually go do your job, which involves getting up at a specific time (difficult for someone without an alarm clock) and going to a specific place (difficult if you have no car and no money for public transit).

It's not impossible to get and hold a job while homeless, but it is exceptionally difficult, especially if you're the "living under a bridge" variety of homeless. And that's without even touching the issues of substance abuse and mental health concerns that are rampant in the homeless population.

GreenKnight127 posted...
The problem is DRUG ADDICTION and DEPRESSION.

Money and time management.

Neither drug addiction nor, especially, depression have anything to do with money- and time-management skills. Seriously, what the fuck.
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BADoglick
10/02/18 5:36:45 PM
#10:


darkknight109 posted...
Yes. I donate to charity and I give money if someone's asking. I like to hope that it's buying them a meal or a warm bed for the night, but even if it winds up buying a bottle of booze (or whatever their drug of choice is), I hope it brings them some small measure of happiness, for whatever it's worth.

For all the people who say "Giving them money doesn't fix the problem", not giving them anything at all sure as shit doesn't help either.


Sure it does. Once the well dries up, they'll move on. People keeping them afloat just enough to live day to day merely encourages them to perpetuate their lifestyle.
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darkknight109
10/02/18 6:09:21 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Sure it does. Once the well dries up, they'll move on.

Move on to where? If no one gives them anything, they have nowhere to move to.

BADoglick posted...
People keeping them afloat just enough to live day to day merely encourages them to perpetuate their lifestyle.

First off, I'm pretty sure the number of people who are homeless by choice are overwhelmingly in the minority. Second and more to the point, "encourages them to perpetuate their lifestyle"? As opposed to what? "Oh, gee, people aren't giving me money anymore, I guess I'll just stop being poor and homeless now." Sure, that sounds realistic.

I will say this - I've heard plenty of stories of homeless people pulling themselves out of the gutter because someone did something for them. Bought them a meal, taught them a skill, did something for them; I have yet to hear one who said "Well, this one guy refused to give me anything when I asked him, and that really inspired me to get my act together."
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Flappers
10/02/18 6:24:44 PM
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Most homeless people that are begging for money aren't homeless.
If you want to help those who are homeless, volunteer at an establishment that actually helps people who need it. If you see somebody who really looks homeless and isn't begging for anything, get them food, water, an umbrella, a blanket, and/or clothes and shoes if you're feeling generous.
That's one of the best ways to help them.

But I'll never give money to a "homeless" guy asking for it, since chances are they're just people trying to take advantage of the kindness of others. The best thing is when they have a dog to really sell it to people.

Be safe with who you give money to, but be generous with who you offer kindness to.
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OhhhJa
10/02/18 6:32:59 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
Neither drug addiction nor, especially, depression have anything to do with money- and time-management skills. Seriously, what the f***.

Wut? Depression and drug addiction absolutely have an effect on both
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darkknight109
10/02/18 6:38:26 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Neither drug addiction nor, especially, depression have anything to do with money- and time-management skills. Seriously, what the f***.

Wut? Depression and drug addiction absolutely have an effect on both

Have an effect on? Sure. But GreenKnight's statement implied that if a person just had better time- or money-management skills they could get over their addiction or depression, which is so wrong it's laughable.
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OhhhJa
10/02/18 6:40:39 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
First off, I'm pretty sure the number of people who are homeless by choice are overwhelmingly in the minority. Second and more to the point, "encourages them to perpetuate their lifestyle"? As opposed to what? "Oh, gee, people aren't giving me money anymore, I guess I'll just stop being poor and homeless now." Sure, that sounds realistic.

You arent helping them by giving them money. Helping them get a beer? Yeah probably. Getting free food isnt exactly that difficult when you're homeless. There are plenty of avenues for that. When you enable their drug addled lifestyle, you're actually more than likely preventing them from ever attempting to not be homeless. These people dont think long term. They're thinking that as long as they get hammered every day it's better than nothing. You stop providing an outlet for that addiction and they have at least some incentive to try to function.

I'm not against buying them a meal or volunteering or donating to charity but just giving them booze money is morally objectionable if you ask me. And I had a friend who would routinely give random homeless people rides (which I told him wasnt smart but he had drug and depression issues himself which made him apathetic) but these people pretty much always had drinking/drug problems.

darkknight109 posted...
I will say this - I've heard plenty of stories of homeless people pulling themselves out of the gutter because someone did something for them. Bought them a meal, taught them a skill, did something for them; I have yet to hear one who said "Well, this one guy refused to give me anything when I asked him, and that really inspired me to get my act together."

I guarantee you that paying for their booze isnt helping them
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darkknight109
10/02/18 6:54:47 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
You arent helping them by giving them money. Helping them get a beer? Yeah probably.

Then I hope it gives them some brief comfort or happiness. At the end of the day, for most of these people, that's really all I can hope for.

I'm not going to judge how they choose to spend their money. I gave - and will continue to give - them an opportunity to better their situation. If they choose not to take advantage, that's up to them.

OhhhJa posted...
You stop providing an outlet for that addiction and they have at least some incentive to try to function.

I have literally never heard anyone who has any experience with homelessness (either helping people escape it or being homeless themselves) say this.

Addiction is a form of self-medication - these people have a problem of some sort and substance abuse is their way to address that problem. An unhealthy way, yes, but as long as the problem remains so will the addiction. This is true of both the guys overdosing in a back alley somewhere and the celebrities who throw wild, coked-up parties every weekend on their yacht.

Removing the "outlet" for the addiction solves nothing. If you have an addict and take away his poison of choice, you get a sober addict. That's all.
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Monopoman
10/02/18 7:05:03 PM
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Acting like every homeless is a case of someone that is either living far better and begs just to make a buck easily, or is a case of a drug addicted person is just ridiculous. Plenty of them are in different situations the amount of stereotyping when you say things like that is just ridiculous.

This is almost as bad as the stereotype that all asians suck at driving or something.
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aHappySacka
10/02/18 7:12:16 PM
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No to money since I won't help fuel their drug addictions.

But if they ask for help in buying food then I'll do it, done once before actually.
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Judgmenl
10/02/18 7:56:09 PM
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No are you fucking stupid? That is absurd. In my area if you do that it is going directly to a drug addiction, and they will start hunting after you / asking for more.
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argonautweakend
10/02/18 8:04:53 PM
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Occasionally i do.
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Lokarin
10/02/18 8:30:11 PM
#21:


There are too many anti-panhandling laws over here, since, y'know, homelessness isn't an epidemic of economic shame.

I donate to the shelters and stuff, and Salvation Army (which APPARENTLY is a bad organization? They're all we got though)
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Zeus
10/02/18 8:40:58 PM
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Sure, by paying taxes. Otherwise I've sometimes given them food, but not the ones that are around all the time.
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BADoglick
10/02/18 8:49:03 PM
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Giving to the homeless here absolutely makes you a target. From others who see you. From the same ones, who wonder the next day why you can't pay them again
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TheGreatNoodles
10/02/18 9:05:48 PM
#24:


It's illegal here to give money to homeless people (and also illegal to be 'homeless in public') but whilst I don't believe all homeless people are 'druggos, addicts and gamblers' it would definitely depend on the circumstance.

Although, this topic reminds me of how our recently ousted prime minister once was caught giving money to a homeless person (regardless of whether this was for publicity or not) and the mayor of Melbourne or Geelong made some huge rant later on about how he was 'reversing progress' on the issue or something.
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Judgmenl
10/02/18 9:15:23 PM
#25:


TheGreatNoodles posted...
It's illegal here to give money to homeless people (and also illegal to be 'homeless in public') but whilst I don't believe all homeless people are 'druggos, addicts and gamblers' it would definitely depend on the circumstance.

Although, this topic reminds me of how our recently ousted prime minister once was caught giving money to a homeless person (regardless of whether this was for publicity or not) and the mayor of Melbourne or Geelong made some huge rant later on about how he was 'reversing progress' on the issue or something.


Wow what kind of dystonian society do you live in that made homelessness illegal?

Edit: Nvm Australia. Got to add it to the "Absurd backwards nations" I will never think about moving to.
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TheGreatNoodles
10/02/18 9:17:21 PM
#26:


Judgmenl posted...
TheGreatNoodles posted...
It's illegal here to give money to homeless people (and also illegal to be 'homeless in public') but whilst I don't believe all homeless people are 'druggos, addicts and gamblers' it would definitely depend on the circumstance.

Although, this topic reminds me of how our recently ousted prime minister once was caught giving money to a homeless person (regardless of whether this was for publicity or not) and the mayor of Melbourne or Geelong made some huge rant later on about how he was 'reversing progress' on the issue or something.


Wow what kind of dystonian society do you live in that made homelessness illegal?

Australia.
They only really get antsy about it when someone/thing important is happening in or around an area. And it's more about being 'visibly homeless' as opposed to being homeless.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-11/homeless-people-removed-from-melbourne-cbd-ahead-of-tennis/8174646
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Troll_Police_
10/02/18 9:34:53 PM
#27:


Monopoman posted...
Acting like every homeless is a case of someone that is either living far better and begs just to make a buck easily, or is a case of a drug addicted person is just ridiculous. Plenty of them are in different situations the amount of stereotyping when you say things like that is just ridiculous.

This is almost as bad as the stereotype that all asians suck at driving or something.


nobody said that though. there are plenty of legitimate homeless who are just average people down on their luck.

and there are a shit ton of programs for those people to assist them with food housing and employment. the people who dont take advantage of them are the ones you see on the side of the road with their hands out.
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JixHedgehog
10/02/18 9:46:56 PM
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I just tell 'em I use a card so no cash..

...doesnt stop them from asking for gas mid-way thru my pump :|
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Bugmeat
10/02/18 10:24:29 PM
#29:


Absolutely not. My work has me dealing with them on a daily basis. My experience with them has taught me that the overwhelming majority of them are awful people not worthy of empathy or my money. Most have ended up homeless because of who they are and how they chose to live their lives.
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Mead
10/02/18 10:27:46 PM
#30:


Wow what kind of dystonian society do you live in that made homelessness illegal?


Its essentially illegal in the US as well if police feel like enforcing it
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xjayguyx
10/02/18 10:38:36 PM
#31:


I'll give food or cigarettes. No monies
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Smiffwilm
10/02/18 10:39:22 PM
#32:


Once. Then I immediately saw him go into the store and buy booze.
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DPsx7
10/02/18 10:44:08 PM
#33:


The people that hesitate are right to think twice. Sure, the rest of you want to help no matter what and that's who the scammers rely on. Just use your judgement. One time in the grocery lot some guy walks up to me with this story about his mom being sick in a hospital. He needs money for gas to get there. Something seemed off, like why stop here or why ask for $5 when you clearly won't get far. Turns out a few weeks later the same guy comes up to me with the exact same story. Pausing for a moment I asked "didn't you ask me for money not too long ago?" The look on his face was gold as he stammered for an excuse. Never saw him again.
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wwinterj25
10/02/18 10:48:26 PM
#34:


I have gave spare change and smokes to homeless folk before when I've been drunk. I haven't done that in a long time though.
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wwinterj25
10/02/18 10:51:57 PM
#36:


GreenKnight127 posted...
But I can't help but notice that they have clothes on.


Would you rather they didn't?
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Lil69Leo
10/02/18 11:08:30 PM
#37:


Nope. Half of them come in and spend it at the liquor store, the other half come in and steal from us.
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SideshowBob311
10/02/18 11:20:47 PM
#38:


There's a grand total of one homeless guy I give money to. He sits on the corner of State and Randolph in Chicago and has a very happy, healthy cat named Faith. Dude takes better care of the cat than he does himself, and I never hesitate to drop him a few bucks or ask if he wants something to eat/drink.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/08/10/cat-homeless-man-reunited/
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Mead
10/03/18 12:20:56 AM
#39:


I genuinely feel bad for people struggling but a lot of the homeless people in this area are such assholes to people

I walked by a couple of them talking last week and had seen one of them panhandling at one of the intersections earlier. The guy was complaining to the other one about all the fucking change people gave him that day

Guy wasnt the least bit grateful, and its frustrating because a lot of the people who gave him what they could are probably struggling to make ends meet themselves
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jramirez23
10/03/18 12:34:37 AM
#40:


Mead posted...
I genuinely feel bad for people struggling but a lot of the homeless people in this area are such assholes to people

I walked by a couple of them talking last week and had seen one of them panhandling at one of the intersections earlier. The guy was complaining to the other one about all the fucking change people gave him that day

Guy wasnt the least bit grateful, and its frustrating because a lot of the people who gave him what they could are probably struggling to make ends meet themselves

That remark about the change reminded me about anecdotes about homeless people shunning/demanding vegan food.

Really, we should all be grateful for what we have. But at the same time, who should be allowed to complain? Maybe for a homeless person, having so many coins is hard on them because they might not always have a safe place to store it, and those of us who store change in jars know that coins get heavy fast! Not to mention, cashiers/customers in line get pissed if you try to pay them in all quarters or whatever coins.
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Rad_Chad
10/03/18 1:28:12 AM
#41:


no. i dont want it being put into a drug dealer's pocket. not chill
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BADoglick
10/03/18 1:30:15 AM
#42:


jramirez23 posted...
Mead posted...
I genuinely feel bad for people struggling but a lot of the homeless people in this area are such assholes to people

I walked by a couple of them talking last week and had seen one of them panhandling at one of the intersections earlier. The guy was complaining to the other one about all the fucking change people gave him that day

Guy wasnt the least bit grateful, and its frustrating because a lot of the people who gave him what they could are probably struggling to make ends meet themselves

That remark about the change reminded me about anecdotes about homeless people shunning/demanding vegan food.

Really, we should all be grateful for what we have. But at the same time, who should be allowed to complain? Maybe for a homeless person, having so many coins is hard on them because they might not always have a safe place to store it, and those of us who store change in jars know that coins get heavy fast! Not to mention, cashiers/customers in line get pissed if you try to pay them in all quarters or whatever coins.


Yeah honestly I'm not going to disparage them for that in particular. It's easy to tell someone less fortunate to be more grateful.

My problem is more with the people making a career out of panhandling. Like I said, I've been at my job five years and I've seen the same bums chilling outside my building since day one.
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Kyuubi4269
10/03/18 2:10:59 AM
#43:


darkknight109 posted...
For all the people who say "Giving them money doesn't fix the problem", not giving them anything at all sure as shit doesn't help either.

Unless they die. Then they're off the streets for good.
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KJ StErOiDs
10/03/18 2:21:05 AM
#44:


Not directly; no.

But like others here, I've donated food.
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Keebs05
10/03/18 2:26:02 AM
#45:


Depends on the circumstances. There's a homeless guy that floats around my workplace that I'll give some money to if I have it laying around. Life dealt him a shit hand so I help him out when when I can.
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ClarkDuke
10/03/18 4:16:24 AM
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No, but a lovely homeless man frequents the off ramps near the studio, he exposes himself for free, ok?

Not a strong business model in my opinion, but he enjoys his work, ok?
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xjayguyx
10/03/18 6:21:57 AM
#47:


ClarkDuke posted...
No, but a lovely homeless man frequents the off ramps near the studio, he exposes himself for free, ok?

Not a strong business model in my opinion, but he enjoys his work, ok?


I think your the one that enjoys it, ok?
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Superlinkbro
10/03/18 7:13:44 AM
#48:


DPsx7 posted...
Not directly. Sometimes we'll give canned goods or old clothes during collection drives. At least it's more likely to go to those in need. I've seen people begging for money dressed in decent clothing and wonder if they're just scamming the system.

This. Only places where I know it'll help people.
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Hyyr
10/03/18 7:41:26 AM
#49:


Yes, with every paycheck I receive the government seizes a large chunk (about 40% total) to feed the various welfare states.

I don't have any left after that for voluntary charity, however.
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-Komaiko54-
10/03/18 7:46:24 AM
#50:


Mead posted...
But I can't help but notice that they have clothes on.


Those smug bastards.


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