Poll of the Day > Blonde Principal Fights for her JOB after she called Colin Kaepernick a THUG!!!

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Full Throttle
09/12/18 6:58:57 PM
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Do you think standing for the national anthem should be MANDATORY? - Results (1 vote)
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Roni Burns-Ellis just burned herself as the Elementary School Principal was FIRED after she called former NFL star and activist, Colin Kaepernick a "thug" in a Facebook post that people deemed racist.

She said she was no longer supporting the company and posted a photo with cut up Nike Shirt and said "My newest rag! When Nike signs an anti-American thug to represent their brand, i will not support, wear, purchase or endorse their product. Bye-bye Nike.". She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..

It quickly caught the attention of angry parents who started a petition to have the heifer fired.

The district released a statement that said "As our country has become divided and name calling and hate has become normalized, we were particularly disheartened by her comment on FB. We may disagree but we hope our Los Alamitos School leader will always act civility, treat each other with respect and not engage in name calling. Our children view the teachers and principals as a beacon of moral character"

More than 2300 people signed the petition as most are messages from the parents and one parent said "our principal obviously has racist views on blacks. He is no gangster, criminal or for that matter a thug".

Some people have defended her however as William Haughland said he thinks Kaepernick disrespected the military and the nation by kneeling who said "I agree with her. Everything she's done. I mean Colin Kaepernick, he's disrespected the military, disrespected this nation just by kneeling during the nation. You don't do that. Standing for our national should be mandatory. End of story. Respect the country that gave you everything you have"

She released an apology stating she didn't mean to offend anyone and regretted using the word thug but that wasn't enough re-instate her as she continues to fight to have her job back.

Should standing for the national anthem be mandatory?

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Monopoman
09/12/18 7:01:26 PM
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Man getting the thug label for kneeling, damn I wonder what she thinks of people that are actually in gangs and murder people regularly.
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Syntheticon
09/12/18 7:03:16 PM
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Shes right in a way, not persecuting black people is historically un-murricun...
When will people learn to keep their political views to themselves online? You can usually get away with saying whatever you want but don't record evidence on the internet lol
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Zeus
09/12/18 7:26:35 PM
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Full Throttle posted...
She said she was no longer supporting the company and posted a photo with cut up Nike Shirt and said "My newest rag! When Nike signs an anti-American thug to represent their brand, i will not support, wear, purchase or endorse their product. Bye-bye Nike.". She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..


Not a racist statement, considering that Kaeperdick isn't Indian or ever lived in India.

Monopoman posted...
Man getting the thug label for kneeling, damn I wonder what she thinks of people that are actually in gangs and murder people regularly.


Thug, punk, etc, all cover a pretty wide blanket where behavior is concerned.
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MICHALECOLE
09/12/18 7:40:23 PM
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Thug, punk, etc, all cover a pretty wide blanket where behavior is concerned.

You know thats not true though. Thug clearly has racial connotations. If she had said punk, it wouldnt be a story.

I dont agree that she should be fighting for her job at all. I dont agree that kap is a thug, and I support his and anybody elses right to kneel, stand, do jumping jacks, buy a beer, what the fuck ever while the national anthem is going on, but she literally didnt say anything overtly racist.

Also, idiots who buy Nike (or any apparel) to tear it up or burn it are fucking idiots.

I hope she doesnt lose her job though.
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OhhhJa
09/12/18 7:49:02 PM
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If only these idiots realized that them being reactionary about the kneeling is just making it more popular
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Zeus
09/12/18 8:13:41 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug clearly has racial connotations.


ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults

OhhhJa posted...
If only these idiots realized that them being reactionary about the kneeling is just making it more popular


tbh, I wonder if the kneeling hadn't finally got the attention Kaeperdick wanted (which is why he started doing it instead of sitting on the bench) whether he'd start pulling down his pants during the anthem and how people would have defended the move.
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MICHALECOLE
09/12/18 8:17:22 PM
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ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults

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Super_Thug44
09/12/18 8:24:07 PM
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Zeus posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug clearly has racial connotations.


ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults


what in the serious fuck are you on about. I'm a 2nd gen Indian and have never heard of this. Thug is not a "racial slur" towards anyone, and most definitely not towards Indians.
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JTekashiro
09/12/18 9:05:50 PM
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Super_Thug44 posted...
Zeus posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug clearly has racial connotations.


ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults


what in the serious fuck are you on about. I'm a 2nd gen Indian and have never heard of this. Thug is not a "racial slur" towards anyone, and most definitely not towards Indians.


He is in America and you are a "2nd gen Indian." He would use very different slang than what you hear in your native India.

That being said, I have never heard anybody use that terminology in North America.
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OrangeDawn
09/12/18 9:35:09 PM
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Zeus defending racists, what else is new.
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Super_Thug44
09/12/18 9:43:22 PM
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JTekashiro posted...
Super_Thug44 posted...
Zeus posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug clearly has racial connotations.


ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults


what in the serious fuck are you on about. I'm a 2nd gen Indian and have never heard of this. Thug is not a "racial slur" towards anyone, and most definitely not towards Indians.


He is in America and you are a "2nd gen Indian." He would use very different slang than what you hear in your native India.

That being said, I have never heard anybody use that terminology in North America.


I should have clarified. I'm an American 2nd gen Indian. Meaning my parents were born in India, immigrated here, and then I was born here and grew up here.
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Zeus
09/12/18 10:12:25 PM
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Super_Thug44 posted...
Zeus posted...
MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug clearly has racial connotations.


ONLY if you're Indian. There's been a faux-outrage movement in recent years to try to pretend that it has racial connotations against non-Indian minorities but it's a crock of shit given how often the word is applied to whites. By contrast, you don't see whites being called the n-word or see blacks getting called cracker because both are strictly racial insults


what in the serious fuck are you on about. I'm a 2nd gen Indian and have never heard of this. Thug is not a "racial slur" towards anyone, and most definitely not towards Indians.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Literally specific to Indian history, which would make it the *only* context in which it could legitimately be considered racist.

Super_Thug44 posted...
I should have clarified. I'm an American 2nd gen Indian. Meaning my parents were born in India, immigrated here, and then I was born here and grew up here.


No, that makes you a 2nd generation American. It also makes your username a little weird.
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ASlaveObeys
09/12/18 10:53:02 PM
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I have actual opinions on this topic, I don't know why.
First, you're a professional at a school. In her case she is, in a sense,the face of the school. She should know that social media in her position is not a platform to express her political views without receiving criticisms on a professional level.
I am a former Marine with 2 tours in Iraq, and lets assume for a second I believe the bullshit about "fighting for our freedom." To me that would mean, logically, this football player should 100% do his protesting.
Also the bullshit about him being a hypocrite for being rich and famous well protesting. That's literally THE BEST time to protest. He has means and a view-able platform in which to express his views.

I don't care what he is protesting, but I think people are literally less intelligent for thinking he is unamerican for doing it.
I'm the most neutral you can be when it comes to political topics. People need to get the fuck over themselves.
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Super_Thug44
09/12/18 11:35:49 PM
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Zeus posted...
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

Literally specific to Indian history, which would make it the *only* context in which it could legitimately be considered racist.


People (including myself) are aware that the word "thug" is Indian in origin. That doesn't have anything to do with how it's used in today's society, in any culture, even India. So no, it's not a term racist people use, or a derogatory word for Indians. Literally no one thinks it is but you for some reason.

Zeus posted...
No, that makes you a 2nd generation American. It also makes your username a little weird.


If you really want to play a semantics game, then fine, I'm a 2nd generation Indian American. Better? I have never heard anyone say anything but "1st gen Chinese" or "2nd gen Indian" etc. Again, something you have either not encountered, or are unfamiliar with.

And I'm not sure why it makes my username weird.
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LinkPizza
09/13/18 12:10:16 AM
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I don't think she was being racist... And she shouldn't lose her job...
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Lokarin
09/13/18 12:11:05 AM
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But the Thugs are from India and Thailand... it's not even the right racism
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jramirez23
09/13/18 12:59:11 AM
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Thug does have racial connotations. Ive even heard it used in positive ways, as in someone from rough neighborhoods using it to describe someone who is cunning/resourceful. But if you are an outsider and you call them a thug, I can see you getting into a confrontation.
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09/13/18 1:03:38 AM
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thank you for including a picture of the school
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BADoglick
09/13/18 1:16:43 AM
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Thug is a euphemism for the n word, and everyone knows it.

As far as your poll, mandated patriotism is the antithesis of liberty.
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 1:50:34 AM
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BADoglick posted...
Thug is a euphemism for the n word, and everyone knows it.

Maybe in the world of persecution so many black Americans live in, but not the real world.
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 1:50:55 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
I don't think she was being racist... And she shouldn't lose her job...

Are elipses your gimmick?
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Blighboy
09/13/18 2:21:17 AM
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Is vandal an anti German slur according to Zeus?
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BlackScythe0
09/13/18 6:49:35 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug, punk, etc, all cover a pretty wide blanket where behavior is concerned.

You know thats not true though. Thug clearly has racial connotations. If she had said punk, it wouldnt be a story.

I dont agree that she should be fighting for her job at all. I dont agree that kap is a thug, and I support his and anybody elses right to kneel, stand, do jumping jacks, buy a beer, what the fuck ever while the national anthem is going on, but she literally didnt say anything overtly racist.

Also, idiots who buy Nike (or any apparel) to tear it up or burn it are fucking idiots.

I hope she doesnt lose her job though.


And I hope she does. Ain't not place for racist educators.
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Muscles
09/13/18 6:58:02 AM
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BADoglick posted...
Thug is a euphemism for the n word, and everyone knows it.

As far as your poll, mandated patriotism is the antithesis of liberty.

Uhh, when I hear thugs I think hired muscle, usually white, dopey, and from like the 20s whether it was actual gangsters or fictional (like a comic villain's crew)
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BlackScythe0
09/13/18 7:01:50 AM
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Muscles posted...
BADoglick posted...
Thug is a euphemism for the n word, and everyone knows it.

As far as your poll, mandated patriotism is the antithesis of liberty.

Uhh, when I hear thugs I think hired muscle, usually white, dopey, and from like the 20s whether it was actual gangsters or fictional (like a comic villain's crew)


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Muscles
09/13/18 7:02:56 AM
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Well he's half white and dopey
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BloodWhen_iWipe
09/13/18 7:18:10 AM
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OrangeDawn posted...
Zeus defending racists, what else is new.

Birds of a feather are racist together.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 7:26:38 AM
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She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..


Forced patriotism is a stepping stone towards fascism.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 7:28:24 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
LinkPizza posted...
I don't think she was being racist... And she shouldn't lose her job...

Are elipses your gimmick?

No, that's this user's gimmick:

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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 7:55:30 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Muscles posted...
BADoglick posted...
Thug is a euphemism for the n word, and everyone knows it.

As far as your poll, mandated patriotism is the antithesis of liberty.

Uhh, when I hear thugs I think hired muscle, usually white, dopey, and from like the 20s whether it was actual gangsters or fictional (like a comic villain's crew)


And if that is what you think, why do you think she called him a thug?

Because he's an idiot working for a criminal organisation to undermine his own job lol
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 7:58:56 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..


Forced patriotism is a stepping stone towards fascism.

An individual suppressing other individuals isn't fascism; You need some kind of organisation to be fascist, and being a patriot does not require being organised.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 9:00:36 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Far-Queue posted...
She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..


Forced patriotism is a stepping stone towards fascism.

An individual suppressing other individuals isn't fascism; You need some kind of organisation to be fascist, and being a patriot does not require being organised.

That's why is said it's a stepping stone towards fascism.
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 9:31:36 AM
#34:


Far-Queue posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Far-Queue posted...
She also went on to say in a now deleted post that she would NEVER let children at her school kneel on "her watch"..


Forced patriotism is a stepping stone towards fascism.

An individual suppressing other individuals isn't fascism; You need some kind of organisation to be fascist, and being a patriot does not require being organised.

That's why is said it's a stepping stone towards fascism.

No, otherwise the deep south would be stepping stones to becoming the United States of God and Incest.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 9:43:57 AM
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Are you making a joke or is that a real argument you're making? One has nothing to do with the other.

That aside, incest is an issue all over the US. Child sexual abuse is alarmingly pervasive nationwide. It's one of the most underreported crimes we have. And a large portion of child sex abuse is perpetrated by family members.

The notion that only rednecks, hillbillies, and southerners are the only people committing acts of incest is a tired, old generalization that only serves to hinder awareness to the issue. It can happen to anyone, any where.
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 9:58:26 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Are you making a joke or is that a real argument you're making? One has nothing to do with the other.

If individuals enacting their personal freedoms defines the actions of politics, then all bad decisions would be reflected there. Strangely, this woman's decisions do not create fascism in government.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 10:04:34 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Far-Queue posted...
Are you making a joke or is that a real argument you're making? One has nothing to do with the other.

If individuals enacting their personal freedoms defines the actions of politics, then all bad decisions would be reflected there. Strangely, this woman's decisions do not create fascism in government.

No, but she's insinuating that she'd force children to observe a patriotic ritual in support of the government, and when she and large portions of the voting public share the same sentiment, and they elect representatives who share that same sentiment, like Trump, who has been very vocal with his views concerning kneeling during the anthem - with that context, which applies here - you have a stepping stone towards fascism.

I don't see any politicians espousing the virtues of incest, do you?
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 10:18:05 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
No, but she's insinuating that she'd force children to observe a patriotic ritual in support of the government, and when she and large portions of the voting public share the same sentiment, and they elect representatives who share that same sentiment, like Trump, who has been very vocal with his views concerning kneeling during the anthem - with that context, which applies here - you have a stepping stone towards fascism.

By your logic, laws are fascist. That would also be democratic.

You're not being forced to suck Trump's drumpf, you're continuing to swear fealty to the country you were born in to and use the resources of.

Far-Queue posted...
I don't see any politicians espousing the virtues of incest, do you?

It's like politicians don't take on bad ideas just because people do it.
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 12:15:58 PM
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By your logic, laws are fascist. That would also be democratic.

But kneeling for the anthem is not against the law... Are you just pulling stuff out of your ass? Explain.

You're not being forced to suck Trump's drumpf, you're continuing to swear fealty to the country you were born in to and use the resources of.

Correct, but forcing people to swear fealty to the state is authoritarian and dictatorial - basic tenets of fascism.

It's like politicians don't take on bad ideas just because people do it.


Your point?

You realize the whole reason I mentioned incest was because you were trying to make some weird connection between incest and forcing people to stand for the anthem, no? Literally no one is attempting to force people into incest en masse through any sort of political pressure or legislation. That's an absurd leap in reasoning.
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Kyuubi4269
09/13/18 12:21:07 PM
#40:


Far-Queue posted...
But kneeling for the anthem is not against the law... Are you just pulling stuff out of your ass? Explain.

If you're saying this would lead to a fascist government, then you are saying it would be made illegal. Fascists don't make you guess what they want.

Far-Queue posted...
Correct, but forcing people to swear fealty to the state is authoritarian and dictatorial - basic tenets of fascism.

US schools are fascist then.

Far-Queue posted...
Your point?

You realize the whole reason I mentioned incest was because you were trying to make some weird connection between incest and forcing people to stand for the anthem, no? Literally no one is attempting to force people into incest en masse through any sort of political pressure or legislation. That's an absurd leap in reasoning.

You're taking all kinds of twists and turns on a simple argument that I can't even follow you any more, I'm stopping now.
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Dikitain
09/13/18 12:23:10 PM
#41:


Some people need to learn to keep their mouth shut on social media.

And no, this isn't me saying she should be censored, I think she should be free to post whatever she wants on social media. I just think you should not be surprised when people don't want to associate with you once you do.
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-Komaiko54-
09/13/18 12:37:36 PM
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Are you guys serious? Calling someone a "thug" does NOT imply racism in any way shape or form. What's next, am I gonna get banned for calling someone dumb and some guy says I'm really racist and I'm implying all black people are dumb?
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Far-Queue
09/13/18 12:52:06 PM
#43:


You're taking all kinds of twists and turns on a simple argument that I can't even follow you any more, I'm stopping now.

I'm taking twists and turns? You're the one making bizarre leaps in reasoning. If you can't provide a sound, reasonable argument, don't try to hide it by claiming I'm twisting the discussion. I'm answering each point you've brought up.

US schools are fascist then.

US schools are not fascist, because while they may promote the anthem or Pledge of Allegiance, they're not forcing children to partake. This woman was insinuating, by saying she would not "let" children kneel, that she would suppress their free speech and force them to participate in these rituals which are designed in part to pledge loyalty to the nation. Once again, while that is not fascism in and of itself, forcing people to pledge their loyalty to the government and to their country is a step towards fascism.

If you're saying this would lead to a fascist government, then you are saying it would be made illegal. Fascists don't make you guess what they want.

Again, I'm not saying this would lead to a fascist government, I'm saying it's a stepping stone towards a fascist government. Obviously a lot more would need to transpire than simply one batty woman making a handful of kids stand for the anthem before a truly fascist dictatorship could take power.

As I already explained, that there is a large sect of Americans who echo this sentiment, including the President, only reinforces my point.

Also, I'm not saying that kneeling for the anthem would become illegal under a fascist state, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility to assume so. Especially given the current President's stance on the subject, and how he panders to his base.
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09/13/18 12:59:41 PM
#44:


Thug clearly has racial connotations.


Not really.

She's an idiot and has now risked her job. Racist? One can't tell merely by that post.
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