Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Kobolds and Catacombs

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The Darkness is dumb and I love it.
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Holy crap that legendary.

4 mana 20/20, shuffles three candles into the opponents deck. When all 3 are drawn, the 20/20 is summoned.
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That's a pretty cool legendary.

Can't believe they're doing no minion hunter though. How did that even get past the design stage.
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Nooooo, not the Facebook dump!
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Wedge Antilles posted...

Holy crap that legendary.

4 mana 20/20, shuffles three candles into the opponents deck. When all 3 are drawn, the 20/20 is summoned.

rip raza priest
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it's a shame that hunter isn't allowed to be good because they dominate the low ranking meta

*queues into rank 20 with literally any deck*

*gets fucking obliterated by big priest and raza priest*

oh
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that being said my Rattling Rascal meme rogue deck is hilarious

tempo out youthful brewmaster on turn 2 because my opponent seemed to be playing some janky version of pirate warrior. at this point he's probably confused as hell because nobody would play youthful brewmaster ever.

rattling rascal on turn 4. then I shadowstep him.
rattling rascal again on turn 5, for only 2 mana, then I shadowstop him again.
rattling rascal again on turn 6.

shadowstrike, eviscerate, eviscerate on turn 7 for overkill lethal with my three 5/5's on board and his life total already low

(shadowstrike was to remove his taunt)
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This was a fun game.

https://ibb.co/njQG4b
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FFDragon posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

Holy crap that legendary.

4 mana 20/20, shuffles three candles into the opponents deck. When all 3 are drawn, the 20/20 is summoned.

rip raza priest

I'm putting him IN my raza priest deck
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Shifting Scroll is going to piss half of this topic off.

And now that everything is out, I asked the same thing in the last two expansions about quests and DKs, what order does everyone put the legendary weapons in? I'm thinking...

Mage>Paladin>Priest>Rogue>Shaman>Hunter>Druid>Warrior>Warlock

Though I'm really not sure outside of Mage looking like the best. Paladin and Rogue are probably my favorites, hope one of those is my free legendary, or at the very least not the last three.
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Hooked Reaver looks really good
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https://scontent.fyyc2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24831508_1689419551100806_5741412913406749922_o.jpg?oh=195ea751fb572c3f2800c3007e8d2992&oe=5AC94C43

thank god
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dragonslayer is hilarious considering how many dragons have 8, 9, or 12 health

aka she won't be slaying jack shit
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MariaTaylor posted...

dragonslayer is hilarious considering how many dragons have 8, 9, or 12 health

aka she won't be slaying jack shit

I mean if she did that she could very well be BGH levels of oppressive

6 kills Drakonid Operative and Book Wyrm which is fine
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This deck might not be any good, but it's a ton of fun. It also wrecked three straight Jade Druids, though to be fair I was playing in casual. Spreading Plague not so great when everything has 5 attack.

https://ibb.co/nHGj9b
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https://imgur.com/a/AFPVQ#261Gfck

I'm overall not too hyped about this set, doesn't seem like there's too much that would be strong, but this card can potentially be good

Like it's going to come down to how strong recruit ends up being
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I think the expansion looks good overall for the decks I usually like, I'm just not that hyped for legendary weapons.
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For Weapons

Paladin > Rogue > Mage > Priest > Druid > Warlock > Warrior > Hunter > Shaman

For Legendary Minions

Rogue > Shaman > Paladin > Warrior > Hunter I guess > Mage > Druid > Warlock > Priest

Darkness seems memey but I don't know how I'd use it
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VeryInsane posted...

I mean if she did that she could very well be BGH levels of oppressive

the same BGH who has barely been played at all in the last 2~ years?
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I meant classic BGH!
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I'm starting to get the sense that you don't think skill is a factor in this game, Ulti.

I'm not exactly sure why.
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Honestly, I think the 1/3 beast is good enough to slot in Hunter
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Watching the stream from earlier today because, other than what's been posted in this topic, I still don't really know what's in the set.

Day9 is great.

I can't believe they're really trying to make Spell Hunter a thing.
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darkness is bad with recruit but it should be good with Barnes if I'm not mistaken?

Barnes pulls a dormant Darkness seed

draw Darkness

play Darkness

after three candles are drawn, both seeds awaken

40/40 stats?
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Outside of Kabal classes, there's very little single-target spell removal that actually sees play, and current control decks in all three of those classes still have ways around it. I don't think HS's hexproof is going to be as L:UQTO(UP:U-inducing as the MtG version for that reason.
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Thematically, I feel like The Darkness should have stealth. Also, it would be a really great buff for an otherwise not so great minion.
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dowolf posted...

Outside of Kabal classes, there's very little single-target spell removal that actually sees play, and current control decks in all three of those classes still have ways around it. I don't think HS's hexproof is going to be as L:UQTO(UP:U-inducing as the MtG version for that reason.

Oh, okay. I'll take out the sap, vilespine, vanish, and plague scientist from my rogue deck then. And it's not like execute and shield slam go in warrior. Hex and devolve, deadly shot, hell I've even seen druids running Naturalize lately. That just leaves paladin, and they can always make him follow the rules.

Camden posted...

Thematically, I feel like The Darkness should have stealth. Also, it would be a really great buff for an otherwise not so great minion.

I agree with this. I mean, I'm not sure how I'm going to feel about The Darkness once it starts getting used, but from a design perspective, yes.

Should have also made it three casts of Magic Missile imo.
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Stealth does already kind of take Hexproof's slot, so I really don't want to see this become a recurring thing in Hearthstone. Like Ulti, I have been on both sides of Hexproof hell. It was cool when it was on a few select cards, not a bunch in every friggin set.
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but I legitimately like Hearthstone a lot. It's MUCH better than Magic.

how is that possible if hearthstone is essentially a slot machine you keep losing at
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Dungeon Run is everything I've ever wanted from this game.
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In fairness, Animate Dead was a weird-ass card from the very first set when there was no templating, comprehensive rules, etc. Just general rule ideas and an emphasis on flavor. They had to retrofit the templating hardcore to make it work like it originally did while still being consistent with the comp rules.

Partial Paris would make combo decks in Magic absolutely busted. While getting mana screwed absolutely sucks, the very architecture of the game is built around the mana system. They can't just drop it.

But like you said, Hearthstone doesn't have that problem, so if the mana system is a dealbreaker, you're in the right place.
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Scrubthoughts: (caveat: subpar ranked, okay arena player)

Im not sure how much this expansion actually incentivized weapon hate? Of the legendary weapons, you end up wanting to destroy Druid some of the time (maybe at 6 mana and up?), Mage, Priest, Warlock, Shaman and Warrior. Warrior and Shaman are really slow when they go off. Mage weapon mostly fits into Aggro decks imo, since control decks will end up running against the hand limit, and there isnt a way to destroy your own weapon aside from Medivh.

The Rogue weapon seems like it could be really strong in the right deck. Paladin weapon is just good, though being weak against priest (silence, shuffle) hurts. Warlock weapon seems playable, cheating out doomguards/voidlords/dreadlords seems good.

The theme of this set seems like a lot of internal synergy, arena should be interesting unless you pick warrior. Also nerfing evolve seems like a thing that was probably considered.

Carnivorous cube, corridor keeper, arcane tyrant, void ripper seem like viable neutral epics, the rest seem mostly niche.

Most of the neutral rares seem playable, maybe some like Ettin find their way into constructed?

Neutral commons seem to have a bunch of strong cards again, plated beetle seems like a sneaky solid card. Maybe Wax Elemental sees some play in a Mage built around the spellstone or big spells?

Stupid bold prediction: explosive runes shows up in an aggro Mage deck that has success.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Stealth goes away once the card is used, so I really enjoy how this game does it. It makes sense logically that you'd be able to get targeted once you move. I can even live with the anti-magic shell effect, because it affects both players. If hexproof ends up in this game and we get stupid shit like paladin-only hexproof cards, this game will turn to shit real fast.

Putting it as an under-statted neutral epic is probably a way to test how broken it can be and prevent future mistakes?
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Eh, Explosive Rune may actually replace Entity in Secret Mage, and with the Weapon in the deck being able to draw burn isn't too hard

Feel like that's the key with the Mage Weapon, Control and Exodia probably don't run it because it's hard to dump your hand to consistently get four cards off, but a aggressive burn mage may
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UltimaterializerX posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

but I legitimately like Hearthstone a lot. It's MUCH better than Magic.

how is that possible if hearthstone is essentially a slot machine you keep losing at

It doesn't have Magic's shit-awful mana system that Wizards refuses to update. Even after the finals of a pro tour saw someone lose because they had to mull to 3, all they did was add a dumb scry rule instead of just going partial paris (Hearthstone's mulligan, basically).

There's also a lot of other stupid shit, like the Pithing Needle ruling and all the rules lawyer idiots who defended it. I want no parts of a community that fucking scummy. Hearthstone's goal was taking everything bad about Magic and getting rid of it for a streamlined experience, which is great.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Animate%20Dead

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=159823

If your explanation is longer than the text on the card, your game probably sucks.

those cards are hella old from back when you theoretically liked the game, I don't understand why you would bring them up at this point

what's the pithing needle thing you're talking about
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Pithing needle's a dumb cheap artifact that lets the player name a card and then activated abilities can't be activated by the card of that name unless it's an ability that generates mana.

Edit: Oh, some ruling, nvm I have no idea
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azuarc posted...

dowolf posted...

Outside of Kabal classes, there's very little single-target spell removal that actually sees play, and current control decks in all three of those classes still have ways around it. I don't think HS's hexproof is going to be as L:UQTO(UP:U-inducing as the MtG version for that reason.

Oh, okay. I'll take out the sap, vilespine, vanish, and plague scientist from my rogue deck then. And it's not like execute and shield slam go in warrior. Hex and devolve, deadly shot, hell I've even seen druids running Naturalize lately. That just leaves paladin, and they can always make him follow the rules.

I mean it looks like vilespine, vanish, plague scientist, devolve, and deadly shot would all still work on this so >_>
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azuarc posted...

Oh, okay. I'll take out the sap, vilespine, vanish, and plague scientist from my rogue deck then. And it's not like execute and shield slam go in warrior. Hex and devolve, deadly shot, hell I've even seen druids running Naturalize lately. That just leaves paladin, and they can always make him follow the rules.

...I'm confused. The majority of things you brought up prove my point, not oppose it.

Like, y'all do realize Vilespine and stuff like that isn't affected by hexproof or shroud (i.e., can't be targeted by spells or HP), right?
VeryInsane posted...

Eh, Explosive Rune may actually replace Entity in Secret Mage, and with the Weapon in the deck being able to draw burn isn't too hard

Feel like that's the key with the Mage Weapon, Control and Exodia probably don't run it because it's hard to dump your hand to consistently get four cards off, but a aggressive burn mage may

Questless exodia might? I wanna try it, anyways.

The weapon is best, however, in meme Deck of Wonders decks. That, as we say, is the dream.
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a judge at a professional tournament should enforce letter of the rule, not spirit of the rule. i don't know why you'd complain about that.

games with that much money on the line aren't casual FNM's!

also the majority of the Gatherer rulings there are for gaining control of a turn (which, in terms of rule minutiae (NO BOBBY YOU DON'T GET TO SIT IN YOUR OPPONENT'S SEAT DEAR GOD), is kind of a minefield, for better or for worse) or standard rules clarifications intended for new players. I don't think it proves any point.
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which players have to memorize. If that memorization is imperfect, that's a mistake their opponent should be allowed to capitalize on.

Like, if your argument is that that's unsportsmanlike, then fine. But then complain about the player, not the refs.
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