Poll of the Day > This 18 y/o BEAUTIFUL Girl is one of the UNDOCUMENTED who could be DEPORTED!!!

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18 y/o Karla Martinez is one of the undocumented teens whose future is uncertain as she starts her freshman year of college..and her mom shared a heartbreaking note to her after Trump rescinded DACA..

She's a student at Cal State University and was supposed to take her driving test tuesday morning..and awoke to find a note her mom left her with money to pay the fee for her test that said "Here's money so you can pay for your test, good luck baby. I'm left with my heart broken, they canceled the permit that you have" a referral to DACA...

Karla wants to be an ER nurse and like many who are DREAMers, she's lived in the US most of her life.

She moved to California from El Salvador with her mom when she was just 6 and has been working at Van's in Huntington Beach for 2 years..

Under DACA, illegal immigrants who arrived as children are allowed to live and work in the US without fear of ICE knocking on their doors..

But now that it's gone Karla is not sure where her future holds and said "I started crying when i read the note. I know my mom didn't know what to say to me because when i got accepted it was the biggest deal ever. We're both shocked and scared". She took a picture of the note but deleted it out of fear...but then re-posted it as most in her family and her bf knew that she was undocumented.

She said "You may not have known that i'm a DREAMER because it's nt something you usually introduce yourself with. My family is heart broken for me. But they all continue to believe in what i'm capable of doing even without DACA, i got woke up with my mom crying bc of how scared she is. I just want to let everyone know BC this is ACTUALLY REAL and is ACTUALLY affecting people, even some people you don't even realize that are"

Her tweet has since gone viral as she's received thousands of support for DREAMers

Do you think people like Karla should be granted a pathway to citizenship without having to leave?

Karla -

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mrduckbear posted...

Do you think people like Karla should be granted a pathway to citizenship without having to leave?

Nope. No exceptions. I mean you can't have one rule for one and a different rule for others otherwise that'll open the floodgates for more to slip through the net.

Edit: She's cute though.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Nope. No exceptions. I mean you can't have one rule for one and a different rule for others otherwise that'll open the floodgates for more to slip through the net.

Edit: She's cute though.

That's really stupid bro.

If she has been here for 12 years, how has she not become a citizen yet?
Her parents had the opportunity but chose not to do this.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

If she has been here for 12 years, how has she not become a citizen yet?
Her parents had the opportunity but chose not to do this.

She got here when she was 6, dude. You want her to marry for citizenship at, what, 12 years old? That's crazy talk!
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Lightning Bolt posted...

SusanGreenEyes posted...

If she has been here for 12 years, how has she not become a citizen yet?
Her parents had the opportunity but chose not to do this.

She got here when she was 6, dude. You want her to marry for citizenship at, what, 12 years old? That's crazy talk!

That's not what I said.
Parents can file citizenship paperwork for their children.
Her parents had 12 years to file but chose not to.
Now her mother is worried.
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Yellow posted...

That's really stupid bro.

Oh?
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She shouldn't be granted citizenship, she can however earn citizenship. It is not her fault her parents decided to literally screw with her life; but now that she is an adult she should earn things not be given things. She has been here since age six and somehow her parents didn't do anything to help her obtain citizenship; then that is unfortunate. Other countries have zero problems punishing you , if you break the law, so why should we operate any differently.
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1) Ugly heifer. In fact, she's so ugly and fat that I'm tempted to make a topic about this with a headline calling her an ugly heifer

2) If there's any injustice, it's that she got away with living her illegally so long.

3) She's 18. She shouldn't be protected by this anyway.

Yellow posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

Nope. No exceptions. I mean you can't have one rule for one and a different rule for others otherwise that'll open the floodgates for more to slip through the net.

Edit: She's cute though.

That's really stupid bro.

The less you uphold laws, the less often people obey them... The only stupidity is encouraging people to break immigration laws. Well, unless you were calling the comment about her being cute stupid, because we can agree on that.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

Parents can file citizenship paperwork for their children.

People can't just come here, file a paper, and turn their kid into a citizen. And DACA was explicitly "not a path to citizenship".

Marriage is the only reasonable way for them to become citizens. They could plead asylum or an employer could sponsor their 14 year old ass, but that's not likely to fly.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

People can't just come here, file a paper, and turn their kid into a citizen.

Actually, they can. Her mom could have filed for citizenship which, in turn, would have given her the opportunity to grant her daughter citizenship as well. After you've been here a certain amount of time and have a work history, you CAN acquire either citizenship or another legal status (which you SHOULDN'T be able to do, but that's another discussion) which carries over to the kid.

Lightning Bolt posted...

Marriage is the only reasonable way for them to become citizens.

Except it's not by any stretch. If they married and applied for citizenship, they'd be deported and probably for a lot longer than they require people on an expired visa who marry to leave.

Lightning Bolt posted...

They could plead asylum or an employer could sponsor their 14 year old ass, but that's not likely to fly.

She's 18. She's been working at least 2 years according to the article, probably more on top of that. She's also a student which means, in theory, she COULD have chosen to apply for a student visa (which again would likely involve her leaving the country until it was approved) which from there she might have applied for permanent status.

Plus she's an ugly heifer, so she's not going to get in the marriage route anyway.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Oh?

Sending an 18-year-old girl to a third world shithole through no fault of her own along with 800,000 other kids that only know America. You seem like the kind of person who would get a coworker fired because they broke some rule that doesn't affect you.

The US is founded on legally kidnapped slaves and stolen land. This is just an example of Republicans being literally the worst of the worst candidates imaginable, and it basically solidifies me as a life long Democrat. He's holding them for ransom for his wall.

Zeus posted...

Except it's not by any stretch. If they married and applied for citizenship, they'd be deported and probably for a lot longer than they require people on an expired visa who marry to leave.

Oh? I thought they were more lenient on lovers. That's sad. Understandable I guess. But sad.

Zeus posted...

She's 18. She's been working at least 2 years according to the article, probably more on top of that. She's also a student which means, in theory, she COULD have chosen to apply for a student visa (which again would likely involve her leaving the country until it was approved) which from there she might have applied for permanent status.

Working around is different from having an employer sponsor you for citizenship. They use the phrase "highly educated" about every other sentence to make sure you know it's not for everyone.

But yeah, I guess she could have moved to El Salvador for a few years and wrap herself up in the legal work when she was 14... gosh you play hardball.
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Yellow posted...

Sending an 18-year-old girl to a third world shithole through no fault of her own along with 800,000 other kids.

She was also born in that "third world shithole" through no fault of her own, along with millions of other children like her. Should all of them be granted citizenship or just the ones who cheat?

That's not touching upon the inherent racism of looking down on their nation like that. As far as third-world nations are concerned, El Salvador isn't that bad.

Yellow posted...

The US is founded on legally kidnapped slaves and stolen land

Except no. For starters, much of the land was PURCHASED from natives and other parts were won by conquest, same as literally every other nation on the planet and the same as NA tribes did to each other. As for slavery, the the colonies were long established before the earliest incidents of indentured servitude being extended indefinitely. But keep revising that history until it fits your narrative!

Yellow posted...

This is just an example of Republicans being literally the worst of the worst candidates imaginable, and it basically solidifies me as a life long Democrat. He's holding them for ransom for his wall.

....what? Your nonsensical ramblings make me ashamed to be a Democrat and your general attitudes are a perfect example of the SJW strain ruining the party. And if the DNC leadership keeps kowtowing to SJWs, I would just as well they not win another national election.
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People seem to think they belong here because they were born here. You did nothing to be here. You deserve to be here less than the people that worked their asses off to get here.

The girl in the 1st pic can stay, the rest gotta go.

Yes, I'm aware they are the same girl. She is required to always look like she does in pic 1.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Zeus posted...

She's 18. She's been working at least 2 years according to the article, probably more on top of that. She's also a student which means, in theory, she COULD have chosen to apply for a student visa (which again would likely involve her leaving the country until it was approved) which from there she might have applied for permanent status.

Working around is different from having an employer sponsor you for citizenship. They use the phrase "highly educated" about every other sentence to make sure you know it's not for everyone.

But yeah, I guess she could have moved to El Salvador for a few years and wrap herself up in the legal work when she was 14... gosh you play hardball.

Guess you missed my edit, but that wouldn't be an issue if her mother -- the same mother who inconvenienced her by illegally moving to the US in the first place -- had fucking done the paperwork. If you're a kid and you're getting evicted because your parents forgot to pay the bills, it's not the fucking bank's fault. Likewise, if your parent illegally moved you here and then stupidly chose to not pursue citizenship, that's on them.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

People seem to think they belong here because they were born here. You did nothing to be here. You deserve to be here less than the people that worked their asses off to get here.

People seem to think these things are a matter of the individual rather than the individual's parent or ancestor who worked to create a place for their child. The individual may not have worked to get here, but their ancestor worked their fucking ass off and did it LEGALLY to provide for their descendants. Their ancestors earned every last goddamn thing and then they chose to give it to their descendants. And it's not some magic lotto. It's not a matter of people choosing to be born here or there or being shuffled at random, it's THEIR genetic material creating offspring, THEIR choices in bringing up the child which helps to form the personality, and THEIR investment of resources that helps to turn the child into an adult.

More so, she didn't fucking do anything to be here. Her parent dragged her here and then neither her nor her mom could be bothered to file the paperwork. Instead, they've leeched off the system for decades by consuming communal benefits -- including primary, secondary, and tertiary education -- without paying taxes.
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Like my grandpa said, "Anything to keep the damn Republicans out of power."

But sure, the US did not financially benefit from slavery and we acquired land from the natives by perfectly ethical means and didn't screw them over whatsoever.

Zeus posted...

to be a Democrat

Why, because you don't believe in the death penalty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTnmcIOGwCA

Yellow posted...

But sure, the US did not financially benefit from slavery and we acquired land from the natives by perfectly ethical means and didn't screw them over whatsoever.

I'll take silly white/black absolutes for $100, Alex.

Yellow posted...

Why, because you don't believe in the death penalty?

Going for a weird non sequitur? Or just trying to create a lame defense for your SJW nonsense which is polluting the Democratic party?
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Yellow posted...

Sending an 18-year-old girl to a third world shithole through no fault of her own along with 800,000 other kids that only know America.

She a immigrant. Doesn't matter how she's got used to her life in the USA. It would actually be harder for someone who is older to get used to another country so on the plus side she's still young so can easily make a life for herself in another country. Nothing you've said has proved me wrong.

Yellow posted...

You seem like the kind of person who would get a coworker fired because they broke some rule that doesn't affect you.

Probably not.
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Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit, but that wouldn't be an issue if her mother -- the same mother who inconvenienced her by illegally moving to the US in the first place -- had fucking done the paperwork. If you're a kid and you're getting evicted because your parents forgot to pay the bills, it's not the fucking bank's fault. Likewise, if your parent illegally moved you here and then stupidly chose to not pursue citizenship, that's on them.

Seems excessive considering DACA was supposed to protect against the consequences.
It's really only that the rug is being pulled out from under them that anyone is bothered.
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Maybe DACA should end but people who were protected under it originally shouldnt be deported unless they have criminal record.
Like so it just prevents any future people from coming to the US illegally and using their kids to permanently stay but people who have already done it when it was legal shouldn't be kicked out.

Ya know? Have some leniency?

dioxxys posted...

Maybe DACA should end but people who were protected under it originally shouldnt be deported unless they have criminal record.

DACA isn't an ongoing thing. It was a one time event, you had to have lived here since 2007 or whatever.
"Ending it" solely means kicking out the people it protected.
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Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.
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Melon_Master posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.

I just enjoy pointing out how ludicrous his remarks are at times lol.
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Zeus posted...

I'll take silly white/black absolutes for $100, Alex.

So you admit the US definitely has its hands dirty when it comes to immigration to a reasonable extent? If not, it is yours, Rush.

Zeus posted...

Going for a weird non sequitur? Or just trying to create a lame defense for your SJW nonsense which is polluting the Democratic party?

You can dance around it all you want, but you're definitely a very shitty Democrat because you have a serious track record for

A) Agreeing with most Republicans on most issues
B) Disagreeing with most Democrats on most issues

In almost every single topic, so I don't know what weird mind game you're trying to play calling yourself a Democrat, like you'd ever vote for a Democrat in your life. Maybe one of the neoliberal ones that even Icoyar is right to hate.

You also have this terrible tendency to call dumb little things "SJW", like me trying to talk about how the US has its hands dirty on immigration, and advocate for (gasp) immigrant children being granted amnesty for crimes they didn't commit! But then go on to say the most SJW-esk statement such as

Zeus posted...

That's not touching upon the inherent racism of looking down on their nation like that.

Because now calling third world shit-holes third world shit-holes because they are poor and bad places to live is racist. You're a bloody SJW when it's convenient. That's what you'd call "virtue signalling", and I can think of no other reason why you'd do it other than to show me how it's done, to bloody show me what "pretending to be a good person" really means.

Need I talk about the inherent racism of frowning upon Russia's shortcomings? Need I talk about the inherent racism of calling North Korea a shit-hole? Racist!

AllstarSniper32 posted...

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.

I don't enjoy it as much as he does. Or at all, frankly.

I think he sees it as a challenge as to how impressively he can dislocate from reality while still making sense to a non-thinking reader.

It's a grey area. The children were innocent, but a crime was still committed and it's not fair to legal applicants that these people just get a pass. That said, life isn't fair, and the ones without criminal records are still contributing to the economy. Objectively though, the law is the law, and feeling sorry for somebody shouldn't be enough to excuse that. I don't really feel strongly on this whole issue though.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.

srsly

Lightning Bolt posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit, but that wouldn't be an issue if her mother -- the same mother who inconvenienced her by illegally moving to the US in the first place -- had fucking done the paperwork. If you're a kid and you're getting evicted because your parents forgot to pay the bills, it's not the fucking bank's fault. Likewise, if your parent illegally moved you here and then stupidly chose to not pursue citizenship, that's on them.

Seems excessive considering DACA was supposed to protect against the consequences.
It's really only that the rug is being pulled out from under them that anyone is bothered.

DACA shouldn't have existed in the first place. Just like the fact she (and her mom) weren't deported when they should have been (ie, immediately), she enjoyed extra time and should be thankful for it instead of kvetching.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.

1) Traitor!

2) To answer Melon's remark, I meant that he read my post *before* the edit went through. I wasn't suggesting people go back and read it although I expect Melon already knew that.

Yellow posted...

So you admit the US definitely has its hands dirty when it comes to immigration to a reasonable extent? If not, it is yours, Rush

Meaning what?
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Yellow posted...

You can dance around it all you want, but you're definitely a very shitty Democrat because you have a serious track record for

A) Agreeing with most Republicans on most issues
B) Disagreeing with most Democrats on most issues

Except no. The fact that I disagree with pretend-Democrats who are only Democrat because Bernie Sanders' socialist party isn't a bigger thing doesn't mean I disagree with Democrats, nor do Democrats require a litmus test.

Yellow posted...

In almost every single topic, so I don't know what weird mind game you're trying to play calling yourself a Democrat, like you'd ever vote for a Democrat in your life. Maybe one of the neoliberal ones that even Icoyar is right to hate.

Except I did vote for Democrats. For starters, I voted for a REAL Democrat in the primaries when I supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie moondog Sanders, a man who only registered as a Democrat to run on a major party's ticket. He could have run as a Republican for all the faith he kept.

And, unlike Bernie Sanders and even Hillary Clinton (and also Donald Trump), I've only ever had ONE affiliation to a party and I've been a Democrat far longer than Bernie has.


Yellow posted...

You also have this terrible tendency to call dumb little things "SJW", like me trying to talk about how the US has its hands dirty on immigration, and advocate for (gasp) immigrant children being granted amnesty for crimes they didn't commit! But then go on to say the most SJW-esk statement such as

And you have a tendency to say a lot of dumb little things, such as trying to frame this as "amnesty for a crime they didn't commit" (despite the fact that they did commit and benefit from it; however, even if they didn't commit it, they're still enjoying ill-gotten gains so restitution must be made to get everybody whole -- which, in this case, involves putting things right by returning them to their home country. It's the same if parents robbed somebody then gave the property to their kids. The law would still return that property to its rightful owners rather than let the kids keep it because *you* somehow feel they've become entitled to it)
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Yellow posted...

Because now calling third world shit-holes third world shit-holes because they are poor and bad places to live is racist. You're a bloody SJW when it's convenient. That's what you'd call "virtue signalling", and I can think of no other reason why you'd do it other than to show me how it's done, to bloody show me what "pretending to be a good person" really means.

Because claiming that places are far worse than they are -- which you're doing because of your racist tendencies -- is, in fact, racist. There are some third-world nations which are legitimately horrible but, all things considered, there are plenty of third-world nations which are superior to second-world (developing nations).

But perhaps I spoke out of turn. Maybe instead of being racist, you're just fucking ignorant.

Yellow posted...

Need I talk about the inherent racism of frowning upon Russia's shortcomings? Need I talk about the inherent racism of calling North Korea a shit-hole? Racist

Russia is a developed nation, the same as the US. If you were decrying it as a shithole, you'd be full of that shit.

And, if you're comparing El Salvador to North Korea, you're unbelievably ignorant. While El Salvador has its problems, it's a fucking paradise compared to NK and even Venezuela.

And, in general, you're virtue-signaling your white-savior complex -- trying to "save the savages because they cannot know any better!" -- which is a ridiculous racist thing to do.
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Zeus posted...

And, in general, you're virtue-signaling your white-savior complex -- trying to "save the savages because they cannot know any better!" -- which is a ridiculous racist thing to do.

You're a mega SJW when it's convenient, I get it. "white-savior complex", that's some interesting vocabulary. Gee, where have I heard that before?

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/06/white-savior-problem/

I'll have none of this racism nonsense you're projecting on to me. I'm calling it right now, 500 topic because this can go on for a looong time.

Russia is a developed nation, the same as the US. If you were decrying it as a shithole, you'd be full of that shit.

But I'm not racist anymore? Huh.

Zeus posted...

Except I did vote for Democrats. For starters, I voted for a REAL Democrat in the primaries when I supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie moondog Sanders, a man who only registered as a Democrat to run on a major party's ticket. He could have run as a Republican for all the faith he kept.

And, unlike Bernie Sanders and even Hillary Clinton (and also Donald Trump), I've only ever had ONE affiliation to a party and I've been a Democrat far longer than Bernie has.

So you voted for one of the worst, most corrupt Democrats over the one Democrat that didn't take any corporate money. The single Democrat unpopular enough to lose to the Orange man against the single most popular politician in America, who enacts all these policies I've never seen you disagree with.

So you're on here 24/7 defending Donald Trump and yet you supported a Democrat who's campaign consisted of mostly attacking Donald Trump and almost no policy whatsoever.

Zeus posted...

(despite the fact that they did commit and benefit from it; however, even if they didn't commit it,

I didn't enjoy reading that nonsense and I won't enjoy what comes after it.

they're still enjoying ill-gotten gains so restitution must be made to get everybody whole -- which, in this case, involves putting things right by returning them to their home country. It's the same if parents robbed somebody then gave the property to their kids. The law would still return that property to its rightful owners rather than let the kids keep it because *you* somehow feel they've become entitled to it)

So I see you're a fan of African slave reparations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reparations-black-americans-slavery_us_56c4dfa9e4b08ffac1276bd7

Maybe we should give natives their land back? Sins of the father sins of the son, right? Wounded Knee and the Trail of Tears ring a bell?

Gee, we must owe black people a lot of missed paychecks. It's only fair, right? You're more socialist than Bernie Sanders.

Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...
So you admit the US definitely has its hands dirty when it comes to immigration to a reasonable extent? If not, it is yours, Rush


Meaning what?

You just said it, we reparations. How about for the apparently reasonably moderate of abuse we did to the Natives, we don't kick out helpless illegal immigrant children because of some miguided sense of law and order and some bogus statistics.

As a European listening to you Americans, holy hell I'm amused! Good entertainment.
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her mom shouldve spent 5k for a green card instead without going through all this trouble knowing the adverse side effects

Zeus posted...

DACA shouldn't have existed in the first place.

I mean, probably? It seems very much like the kind of thing one would do immediately before making immigration policy much harsher. Changing the rules on someone to make their past actions more illegal than you previously told them, and then punishing them for that, is super contrary to our system, so we often provide outs or exceptions. (But not in this case apparently...)

Regardless though, DACA is there and doing a thing. Is there any real justification for its removal? The illegality argument sounds like ripping off someone's band-aid because they pulled it from the wrong drawer. You can tell I'm Neutral, leaning Chaotic.
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So, if she has to go back does that mean her parents have to go as well? Is the mom here illegally or something?

Zeus posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Melon_Master posted...

Zeus posted...

Guess you missed my edit

No ones going to check for your edits, you narcissist lol.

I'm surprised people still read and respond to Zeus' posts in topics like this.

1) Traitor!

2) To answer Melon's remark, I meant that he read my post *before* the edit went through. I wasn't suggesting people go back and read it although I expect Melon already knew that.

No one likes you here, ok?
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