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red sox 777
06/30/17 8:31:46 PM
#304:


No, Kenri, for whatever reason you don't seem to be understanding my posts.
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Jakyl25
06/30/17 8:32:54 PM
#305:


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Jakyl25
06/30/17 8:38:38 PM
#306:


https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792
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Kenri
06/30/17 8:42:00 PM
#307:


red sox 777 posted...
No, Kenri, for whatever reason you don't seem to be understanding my posts.

red sox 777 posted...
Because conservatives don't like change. It's right in the name, conservative.

???

"don't like" is pretty clear, but apparently it's not what you actually meant? enlighten me
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Reg
06/30/17 8:43:00 PM
#308:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792

Not a complete list. At the very least, Texas is getting this one right.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections/2017/06/30/texas-will-releasevoters-private-info-trump-election-commission
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red sox 777
06/30/17 8:45:19 PM
#309:


Kenri posted...
red sox 777 posted...
No, Kenri, for whatever reason you don't seem to be understanding my posts.

red sox 777 posted...
Because conservatives don't like change. It's right in the name, conservative.

???

"don't like" is pretty clear, but apparently it's not what you actually meant? enlighten me


Don't like means don't like. Doesn't mean thinks they don't like but actually does.

As far as I can tell, you didn't quite understand the part about frames of reference.
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Not_an_Owl
06/30/17 8:49:14 PM
#310:


woodman posted...
I think that's by definition reactionism, not conservatism.

Are you suggesting there's a difference?
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Jakyl25
06/30/17 8:51:03 PM
#311:


red sox 777 posted...
Doesn't mean thinks they don't like but actually does.


A sentence worthy of Trump himself
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Kenri
06/30/17 8:51:22 PM
#312:


red sox 777 posted...
As far as I can tell, you didn't quite understand the part about frames of reference.

I mean, it is complete nonsense, so yeah.

But you didn't seem to have an issue with SEP's interpretation of it which still gets back to "they like change if it's the change they like"
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Jakyl25
06/30/17 8:51:34 PM
#313:


Reg posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792

Not a complete list. At the very least, Texas is getting this one right.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections/2017/06/30/texas-will-releasevoters-private-info-trump-election-commission


From another state:

"My reply would be: They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico, and Mississippi is a great state to launch from," Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican, said in a statement Friday regarding the request.

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-FFDragon-
06/30/17 8:51:38 PM
#314:


Is it just me or does Huckabee-Sanders just have one of those insufferably punchable faces? Like the kid who played Joffrey.
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Jakyl25
06/30/17 8:53:12 PM
#315:


-FFDragon- posted...
Is it just me or does Huckabee-Sanders just have one of those insufferably punchable faces? Like the kid who played Joffrey.


It's genetic
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Leafeon13N
06/30/17 8:53:24 PM
#316:


-FFDragon- posted...
Is it just me or does Huckabee-Sanders just have one of those insufferably punchable faces? Like the kid who played Joffrey.


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Peace___Frog
06/30/17 8:55:47 PM
#317:


Reg posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792

Not a complete list. At the very least, Texas is getting this one right.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/elections/2017/06/30/texas-will-releasevoters-private-info-trump-election-commission

I was confused when i just saw the url.
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red sox 777
06/30/17 8:58:33 PM
#318:


Kenri posted...
red sox 777 posted...
As far as I can tell, you didn't quite understand the part about frames of reference.

I mean, it is complete nonsense, so yeah.

But you didn't seem to have an issue with SEP's interpretation of it which still gets back to "they like change if it's the change they like"


You evidently didn't get his interpretation of it then.
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StealThisSheen
06/30/17 9:04:00 PM
#319:


It's just a technicality disconnect

red sox is saying that it isn't "change" to them because they're still stuck in whatever time frame they liked best, and thus they see it as undoing a change rather than changing back.

Kenri is saying that undoing is still "change" because it's changing back from a change that already occurred.

There's no true disagreement, just slightly different view point of which state is more important, the before or the after.
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MalcolmMasher
06/30/17 9:11:31 PM
#320:


Are you suggesting there's a difference?

Yes. Conservatives want things to stay the way they are, reactionaries want things to go back to the way they were before.
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Kenri
06/30/17 9:11:42 PM
#321:


I guess. I don't think importance factors in at all though, really. The fact is that these people are operating out of the present, so everything has to be compared to the present. It's not an academic exercise that asks in what ways the Bronze Age and Stone Age are different -- we're talking about the introduction of actual policy here, which always means change 100% of the time.
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SgtSphynx
06/30/17 11:51:42 PM
#322:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792

And I continue to fucking hate Florida
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LordoftheMorons
06/30/17 11:53:09 PM
#323:


This is gross and Cory Gardner is a coward: http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/30/disabled-protesters-cory-gardner-sit-in/
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MrGreenonion
07/01/17 5:26:09 AM
#324:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/nasa-denies-that-its-running-a-child-slave-colony-on-mars

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/06/30/trump-relaunches-the-national-space-council/

Does... does anyone else get the feeling these two stories are not entirely unrelated?
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SupremeZero
07/01/17 6:10:09 AM
#325:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/ariberman/status/880910280376688640

A wide array of states, many Clinton states, many Trump states, aren't gonna give up their voter data for "fraud inspection."

EDIT: Of course, the White House has words for them

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/880871326721953792

Yes, Donny, over half the country, including such shit as Oklahoma and Kentucky, are making a political statement by telling you to go fuck yourself about your attempts to basically undermine elections.

This political statement is "That is blatant bullshit and some of this information shouldn't even exist, the fuck are you smoking", but a political statement, I guess!
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GuessMyUserName
07/01/17 6:54:56 AM
#326:


was on the Inokashira train today and up on the monitor was this top NHK news headlines feature, up I see Mika's face with the whole Trump story of. A bunch of japanese and suddenly "low IQ" and "psycho" lmao

I mean I shouldn't be surprised to see the coverage here in Japan but it's just funny seeing it
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Mr Lasastryke
07/01/17 7:24:17 AM
#327:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880892632142143490

war with north korea let's go.
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Jakyl25
07/01/17 9:21:32 AM
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The Mana Sword
07/01/17 9:26:43 AM
#329:


the voter information is under audit so it can't be released, but the states will definitely absolutely release the info once the audit is over
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Mr Lasastryke
07/01/17 9:50:23 AM
#330:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881140479454310401

Crazy Joe Scarborough and dumb as a rock Mika are not bad people


well that's sweet of him.
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GuessMyUserName
07/01/17 10:00:45 AM
#331:


so trump sees all the news on his last unhinged tweets and things "oh that went well I should do it again"


of course
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Jakyl25
07/01/17 10:14:26 AM
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GuessMyUserName
07/01/17 10:25:15 AM
#333:


dammit I was just about to post that

whatever I'll imgur it for the embedding

3f1Ueuw

I laughed so hardd
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ChaosTonyV4
07/01/17 10:37:19 AM
#334:


woodman posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Some conservatives want to go back to 1985. Others want to go to 1950. Still others want to go to 1925. Others want to go back to 1900. Others still want to go back to 1860.

There are even people who want to go back to the 7th Century. Maybe the Bronze Age!

Some conservatives are more conservative than others.

I think that's by definition reactionism, not conservatism.


I mean another term for Conservatives is reactionary, so you're not wrong.
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Jakyl25
07/01/17 10:37:43 AM
#335:


A couple scathing takedowns of Trump from the conservative National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449145/donald-trump-media-mika-brzezinski-tweet

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449152/donald-trump-tweets-agenda-damaged-character-revealed

The president of the United States really just isn’t a very good person. There is no definition of good character that he can meet. You certainly can’t say he’s a man of good character when it comes to sexual behavior. His adulterous past is well-documented. You can’t say he models decency in the way he talks. He’s not honest (you can look it up). He brags about whining his way to winning. He boasts of double-crossing business partners. If you want to say he’s charitable, you should read up on how he used his “charities” as leverage or for publicity stunts. I think we can all agree he’s not humble or self-sacrificing. When asked what sacrifices he’s made, in the context of his spat with the Kahn family, he couldn’t name anything save for the fact that he worked very hard to get rich and that he employs people (presumably because it profits him to do so). I don’t know how anyone could absolve him of the charge of vanity or greed. He’s certainly not pious by any conventional definition.

Conservatives for most of my life argued that character matters. That went by the wayside for many people in 2016.

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ChaosTonyV4
07/01/17 10:38:13 AM
#336:


GuessMyUserName posted...
dammit I was just about to post that

whatever I'll imgur it for the embedding

3f1Ueuw

I laughed so hardd


Incredible that our President is literally the dude that "better to keep your mouth shut and seem stupid than to talk and remove all doubt" quote is about.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/01/17 10:47:58 AM
#337:


Jakyl25 posted...
A couple scathing takedowns of Trump from the conservative National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449145/donald-trump-media-mika-brzezinski-tweet

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449152/donald-trump-tweets-agenda-damaged-character-revealed

The president of the United States really just isn’t a very good person. There is no definition of good character that he can meet. You certainly can’t say he’s a man of good character when it comes to sexual behavior. His adulterous past is well-documented. You can’t say he models decency in the way he talks. He’s not honest (you can look it up). He brags about whining his way to winning. He boasts of double-crossing business partners. If you want to say he’s charitable, you should read up on how he used his “charities” as leverage or for publicity stunts. I think we can all agree he’s not humble or self-sacrificing. When asked what sacrifices he’s made, in the context of his spat with the Kahn family, he couldn’t name anything save for the fact that he worked very hard to get rich and that he employs people (presumably because it profits him to do so). I don’t know how anyone could absolve him of the charge of vanity or greed. He’s certainly not pious by any conventional definition.

Conservatives for most of my life argued that character matters. That went by the wayside for many people in 2016.

National Review and the Weekly Standard have been killing Trump much, much harder than any liberal publication. The National Review even dedicated a compendium edition last year to their case against Trump, which featured like a dozen separate editorials blasting him. You should subscribe!
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scarletspeed7
07/01/17 11:27:44 AM
#338:


They had better be careful about that. They might be called SAD! in a Tweet.
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MrGreenonion
07/01/17 11:37:36 AM
#339:


Jakyl25 posted...
Trump philosophizes

https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/881150949749817346

I didn't believe it could happen but I think "grab em by the pussy" has finally been surpassed as the quote of choice for a theoretical Trump Memorial.

scarletspeed7 posted...
They had better be careful about that. They might be called SAD! in a Tweet.

They're not on cable TV so I think they're safe.
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scarletspeed7
07/01/17 11:41:07 AM
#340:


MrGreenonion posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Trump philosophizes

https://twitter.com/braddjaffy/status/881150949749817346

I didn't believe it could happen but I think "grab em by the pussy" has finally been surpassed as the quote of choice for a theoretical Trump Memorial.

scarletspeed7 posted...
They had better be careful about that. They might be called SAD! in a Tweet.

They're not on cable TV so I think they're safe.

Hey someone might Tweet something to him while he's on the john.
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Corrik
07/01/17 11:42:20 AM
#341:


Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.
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red sox 777
07/01/17 12:32:48 PM
#342:


I've been saying for years that the true guiding principle of the Republican Party is: The end justifies the means.
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Not_an_Owl
07/01/17 12:40:45 PM
#343:


Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.

Presumably, the ill.
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TheRock1525
07/01/17 12:43:40 PM
#344:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.

Presumably, the ill.


Also the poor, the elderly, and children.

But fuck em, right? I never got a job from a child.
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psaltery
07/01/17 1:52:44 PM
#345:


https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/881202410907029504
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Peace___Frog
07/01/17 2:03:45 PM
#346:


https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/881200744778608641

Trump admin's debating whether to withdraw from the INF treaty—a disarmament pact w/ Russia banning a class of nukes https://t.co/Fzku4JtJOX


This is probably fine, right
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ChaosTonyV4
07/01/17 2:21:22 PM
#347:


Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.


JFC
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LordoftheMorons
07/01/17 2:59:22 PM
#348:


Peace___Frog posted...
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/881200744778608641

Trump admin's debating whether to withdraw from the INF treaty—a disarmament pact w/ Russia banning a class of nukes https://t.co/Fzku4JtJOX


This is probably fine, right

Comforting reminder that Trump was reportedly confused about why we couldn't just use our nukes in a nonretaliatory capacity
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Corrik
07/01/17 3:07:00 PM
#349:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.

Presumably, the ill.

So get a job and get healthcare like every other class has done for decades.
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LordoftheMorons
07/01/17 3:09:57 PM
#350:


Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.

Presumably, the ill.

So get a job and get healthcare like every other class has done for decades.

What if you have a preexisting condition and are denied coverage?
Or if you can't find a job?
Or if you do find a job, but it doesn't pay enough for you to afford insurance?
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lordloki12
07/01/17 3:10:17 PM
#351:


Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Finally a healthcare plan I can get behind. Repeal and who cares.

Presumably, the ill.

So get a job and get healthcare like every other class has done for decades.


uh not all jobs give you healthcare.
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LordoftheMorons
07/01/17 3:10:46 PM
#352:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/donald-trump-global-trade-war-steel-tariffs-china-uk-japan-germany-a7818681.html

I too am looking forward to a trade war caused purely by the president's lack of a grasp on basic economics and his refusal to listen to those who have one
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banananor
07/01/17 3:28:34 PM
#353:


red sox 777 posted...
I've been saying for years that the true guiding principle of the Republican Party is: The end justifies the means.

i'll agree with that.

it's just unfortunate that the methods that will supposedly achieve the ends sometimes (often?) aren't that well thought out, and are instead just sort of knee-jerky, short-sighted and counter productive

sometimes it feels like they're just picking whichever policy sounds toughest
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