Board 8 > At this point can we all agree that Romney is our 2012 US President?

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User728
01/06/12 11:35:00 AM
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Or are people around here still clinging to false hope?
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SBell0105
01/06/12 11:36:00 AM
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Obama is still cleaning up 8 years of Republican mess.

You really think there is a chance a Republican will really get elected anytime soon?

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KingButz
01/06/12 11:37:00 AM
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Romney is not even close to guaranteed to be the POTUS. He could be, or we could get Obama again.

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Mershaaay
01/06/12 11:38:00 AM
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Yes

Though I'd be happier with Santorum

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ExThaNemesis
01/06/12 11:38:00 AM
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From: KingButz | #003
He could be, or we could get Obama again.


What a shocking revelation.

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User728
01/06/12 11:38:00 AM
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From: SBell0105 | #002
Obama is still cleaning up 8 years of Republican mess.

You really think there is a chance a Republican will really get elected anytime soon?


Considering he is cleaning up Clinton's mess (a Democrat), yes, a Republican will get elected. Unless you think someone can just waltz into office and change the entire nation's economy instantly by snapping his fingers. And considering Obama has failed horribly at trying to fix Clinton's mess, he's on his way out. His only attempt so far was a failed stimulus package where he spent millions to research steroids in baseball and horseracing...that sure will stimulate the economy.
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JaKyL25
01/06/12 11:39:00 AM
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Well the inauguration isn't until 2013, so I'm gonna say no.

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MarvelousGerbil
01/06/12 11:40:00 AM
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As weak and unaccomplished as Obama is, he's going to remain the president for another 4 years. Alternatively, I'm voting for Kodos.

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User728
01/06/12 11:40:00 AM
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From: Mershaaay | #004
Yes

Though I'd be happier with Santorum


Santorum was my second choice all along (I hate Gingrich, Paul, and Perry...and I don't really care for Cain, Bachmann, or Huntsman). However, I like Romney better...he is a business man which should help with economic issues, and it looks like he may choose Chris Christie as his VP which would be great.
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gearofages
01/06/12 11:41:00 AM
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Mccain in 2008 was a much stronger candidate than Romney is now, and Obama won that election in a landslide. I can't see any practical situation for a Republican to take the white house this year.

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Iamdead7
01/06/12 11:41:00 AM
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There is no chance Obama loses to any of the current Republican contenders

I'll still be voting for Rocky Anderson

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User728
01/06/12 11:42:00 AM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #008
As weak and unaccomplished as Obama is, he's going to remain the president for another 4 years. Alternatively, I'm voting for Kodos.


No chance unless something huge happens this year. The independents have all left him. Hell, some Democrats have even left him. And even if people won't switch to Republican, they likely just won't show up at all this time around.
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SBell0105
01/06/12 11:42:00 AM
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I guess you were in a coma for a majority of the 2000's.

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User728
01/06/12 11:43:00 AM
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From: gearofages | #010
Mccain in 2008 was a much stronger candidate than Romney is now, and Obama won that election in a landslide. I can't see any practical situation for a Republican to take the white house this year.


Obama in 2008 was an astronomically stronger candidate than Obama is currently. Romney is a mild decrease from 2008 McCain. 2012 Obama is an enormous decrease from 2008 Obama.
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MarvelousGerbil
01/06/12 11:44:00 AM
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User728 posted...
From: MarvelousGerbil | #008
As weak and unaccomplished as Obama is, he's going to remain the president for another 4 years. Alternatively, I'm voting for Kodos.
No chance unless something huge happens this year. The independents have all left him. Hell, some Democrats have even left him. And even if people won't switch to Republican, they likely just won't show up at all this time around.


But if we don't vote for him we're racist... right?

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User728
01/06/12 11:44:00 AM
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From: SBell0105 | #013
I guess you were in a coma for a majority of the 2000's.


I guess you don't understand that the economy cannot change overnight. People don't just walk in, make up a budget, and then the economy flips like a light switch. The status of the economy is usually a result of the actions of the President and Congress from about 8-10 years earlier.
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red sox 777
01/06/12 11:45:00 AM
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Yup, Obama 2008 >>> McCain 2008 = Romney 2012 > Obama 2012

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User728
01/06/12 11:45:00 AM
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From: MarvelousGerbil | #015
But if we don't vote for him we're racist... right?


That is the mindset of many liberals sadly.
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Ace_Killjoy
01/06/12 11:45:00 AM
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User728 posted...
Obama in 2008 was an astronomically stronger candidate than Obama is currently. Romney is a mild decrease from 2008 McCain. 2012 Obama is an enormous decrease from 2008 Obama.

I'm having trouble with this.
Can you explain it using algebra?

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Lopen
01/06/12 11:45:00 AM
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Um what exactly was Clinton's mess. As far as I recall the dude was pretty solid with his foreign and economic policies.

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SBell0105
01/06/12 11:47:00 AM
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From: User728 | #016
I guess you don't understand that the economy cannot change overnight. People don't just walk in, make up a budget, and then the economy flips like a light switch. The status of the economy is usually a result of the actions of the President and Congress from about 8-10 years earlier.




You realize you are only defending Obama right now, right?

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DeathChicken
01/06/12 11:47:00 AM
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Let's just ignore that Clinton was the last president to actually have a surplus (granted, he was fortunate to be in office during the dotcom boom, and before it blew up), which was promptly blown through by eight years of bloated Bush wars

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User728
01/06/12 11:47:00 AM
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From: Ace_Killjoy | #019
I'm having trouble with this.
Can you explain it using algebra?


red sox777 already did it. But I can do it also: 2008 Obama >>>>>>>>>> 2008 McCain >> 2012 Romney >> 2012 Obama.
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Mershaaay
01/06/12 11:48:00 AM
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User728 posted...
From: Mershaaay | #004
Yes

Though I'd be happier with Santorum
Santorum was my second choice all along (I hate Gingrich, Paul, and Perry...and I don't really care for Cain, Bachmann, or Huntsman). However, I like Romney better...he is a business man which should help with economic issues, and it looks like he may choose Chris Christie as his VP which would be great.


Yes but Romney won't bring back DADT, which is the first step in getting our economy back on track

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MarvelousGerbil
01/06/12 11:49:00 AM
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Ace_Killjoy posted...
User728 posted...
Obama in 2008 was an astronomically stronger candidate than Obama is currently. Romney is a mild decrease from 2008 McCain. 2012 Obama is an enormous decrease from 2008 Obama.

I'm having trouble with this.
Can you explain it using algebra?


Better yet, I'll explain it with Star Wars. See, in the 70s, George Lucas was incredibly popular, moreso than "Generic Sci Fi Director". But today, George has made a lot of crappy decisions and not many good ones and a lot of people would prefer Generic Sci Fi Director over George Lucas on just about any given project.

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My Immortal
01/06/12 11:49:00 AM
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People responding seriously to User728? Shocking.

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gearofages
01/06/12 11:49:00 AM
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From: User728 | #014
Obama in 2008 was an astronomically stronger candidate than Obama is currently. Romney is a mild decrease from 2008 McCain. 2012 Obama is an enormous decrease from 2008 Obama.


He dominated the minority vote in 2008; there is no reason to think that he won't do that again, this time against whatever candidate staggers out of the Republican primary. No one is going to be able to compete with $750,000,000 and 90+% of the black vote.

The people at Fox News are the only ones that honestly think that Obama has a chance of losing.

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User728
01/06/12 11:49:00 AM
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From: SBell0105 | #021
You realize you are only defending Obama right now, right?


And attacking Clinton at the same time. I understand that we won't see the results of Obama's efforts until next term or the term after. However, he, like Bush, is unlucky to be in office at the wrong time. Plus, his stimulus package threw millions at different things that have zero effect on the economy (steroid investigation in baseball and horse racing for example). So even though we may not see the results of his efforts for several years, things sure aren't looking good based on his crappy idea. And as I said before, even if he had a good idea...he is in office at the wrong time just like Bush.
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Ace_Killjoy
01/06/12 11:50:00 AM
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User728 posted...
red sox777 already did it. But I can do it also: 2008 Obama >>>>>>>>>> 2008 McCain >> 2012 Romney >> 2012 Obama.

I noticed that after I posted.

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JDTAY
01/06/12 11:50:00 AM
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I think this race could go either way, though it doesn't really matter. Obama can't do anything without getting the House back, and the Republicans just redrew all the districts to favor themselves. I'd feel pretty good right now if I didn't know deep down that the Republicans aren't actually going to make any significant spending cuts. I want a third party, darnit. >_<

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User728
01/06/12 11:51:00 AM
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From: DeathChicken | #022
Let's just ignore that Clinton was the last president to actually have a surplus (granted, he was fortunate to be in office during the dotcom boom, and before it blew up), which was promptly blown through by eight years of bloated Bush wars


Just an example of a president being in office at the right time.
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red sox 777
01/06/12 11:51:00 AM
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John Kerry dominated the minority vote too. But you can't win the election by winning the minority, you have to win the majority. Which is why elections are decided by what percentage of the majority group each side gets.

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Ace_Killjoy
01/06/12 11:52:00 AM
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MarvelousGerbil posted...
Better yet, I'll explain it with Star Wars. See, in the 70s, George Lucas was incredibly popular, moreso than "Generic Sci Fi Director". But today, George has made a lot of crappy decisions and not many good ones and a lot of people would prefer Generic Sci Fi Director over George Lucas on just about any given project.

Ok. That works too.

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kevwaffles
01/06/12 11:52:00 AM
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From: User728 | #018
That is the mindset of many liberals sadly.


As anti-main parties as I am, I have literally never heard a liberal make that claim. There was a ton of speculation that Obama was polling higher in 2008 for the reason that people didn't want to seem racist, but it wasn't liberals saying that. Also, it didn't pan out, but that's neither here nor there.

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Lopen
01/06/12 11:53:00 AM
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I'm still curious what Clinton's mess was that W had to clean up. Claim he was lucky to be in office at the right time if you want, not sure I buy it, but for the sake of argument claim that was the only reason the guy ran a surplus-- what did he actually do that became seriously problematic to the point that it needed to be "cleaned up"

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User728
01/06/12 11:54:00 AM
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From: gearofages | #027
He dominated the minority vote in 2008; there is no reason to think that he won't do that again, this time against whatever candidate staggers out of the Republican primary. No one is going to be able to compete with $750,000,000 and 90+% of the black vote.

The people at Fox News are the only ones that honestly think that Obama has a chance of losing.


Actually, there are many reasons to think he won't do it again. He virtually lost the middle votes. Many of his former supporters won't show up again. He has done a lousy job and so it won't happen again. Also, the black vote isn't much different than it was when Bush was in office so that isn't even the relevant factor. As for the Fox News jab, most pollsters seem to be giving it to the Republicans at this point. Here is a link of all the popular pollsters combined into one: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_president_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html
Notice how Fox isn't even on the list unless you scroll down to 5/5-5/6...and they said it was a tie back then. Nice try though!
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User728
01/06/12 11:56:00 AM
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From: Lopen | #035
I'm still curious what Clinton's mess was that W had to clean up. Claim he was lucky to be in office at the right time if you want, not sure I buy it, but for the sake of argument claim that was the only reason the guy ran a surplus-- what did he actually do that became seriously problematic to the point that it needed to be "cleaned up"


Look at how crappy the economy was when Bush was in office. Since someone can't just change the economy over night, you have to assume the guy who was making the budgets before him had to have screwed up somewhere and left a huge mess for the new unfortunate guy.
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DeathChicken
01/06/12 11:58:00 AM
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Either that, or you know...wasting money for *eight years* on wars that were arranged so money only funneled straight into Haliburton

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EndOfDiscOne
01/06/12 11:59:00 AM
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Clinton is reponsible for the housing market crash. He made it easy for everyone to get mortgages then they all went and defaulted on them.

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User728
01/06/12 12:02:00 PM
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From: EndOfDiscOne | #039
Clinton is reponsible for the housing market crash. He made it easy for everyone to get mortgages then they all went and defaulted on them.


This is true too. The Community Reinvestment Act killed the house market for sure. Obama was actually involved in that even though he wasn't a big name back then. Clinton was a big part of this by allowing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to fulfill their affordable mortgage purchase requirements by purchasing subprime loans that were granted to low income borrowers. That was a crisis in itself.
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User728
01/06/12 12:03:00 PM
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From: DeathChicken | #038
Either that, or you know...wasting money for *eight years* on wars that were arranged so money only funneled straight into Haliburton


And how does that explain the economy being horrible at the very beginning of the war?
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JaKyL25
01/06/12 12:05:00 PM
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From: User728 | #036
As for the Fox News jab, most pollsters seem to be giving it to the Republicans at this point. Here is a link of all the popular pollsters combined into one: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_president_obama_vs_republican_candidate-1745.html


How about this, more relevant data:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Looks like a tossup to me with Obama needing to pick up fewer states than Republican X.

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JDTAY
01/06/12 12:06:00 PM
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The economy actually did pretty well during the war, up until the housing bubble burst. Which I do partially blame Bush for. >_<

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Iamdead7
01/06/12 12:06:00 PM
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using the results of a poll with Obama vs a "generic Republican" is quite possibly the stupidest thing you could possibly do


Generics always poll higher because people will just project what they want onto one and ignore anything bad. All of the republicans are terrible terrible candidates so it really doesn't matter how well a generic republican does

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User728
01/06/12 12:07:00 PM
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From: JaKyL25 | #042
How about this, more relevant data:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

Looks like a tossup to me with Obama needing to pick up fewer states than Republican X.


Problem with that link is that it only tells us about partisan lines...doesn't tell us about the individual candidates themselves. Just because a state is usually more liberal, doesn't mean the specific candidate (crappy 2012 Obama) will take the state. Also, Obama just needs to lose 1 big state, such as Florida, and then it's pretty much over for him.
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User728
01/06/12 12:08:00 PM
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From: JDTAY | #043
The economy actually did pretty well during the war, up until the housing bubble burst. Which I do partially blame Bush for. >_<


How could you blame Bush for it when the mess started years before he was even president? Clinton is to blame...especially his HUD. And Obama was actually a lawyer in a huge case which caused housing disasters too. Bush had nothing to do with the housing market.
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User728
01/06/12 12:09:00 PM
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From: Iamdead7 | #044
using the results of a poll with Obama vs a "generic Republican" is quite possibly the stupidest thing you could possibly do


Generics always poll higher because people will just project what they want onto one and ignore anything bad. All of the republicans are terrible terrible candidates so it really doesn't matter how well a generic republican does


It's more telling of how awful Obama is now and how his popularity is dead.
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special_sauce
01/06/12 12:09:00 PM
#48:


Why are your topics all questions where you want us to "admit" that pokemon is childish or "agree" that Romney is the president. Are you looking for some sort of unanimous confirmation of what you think or something?

and if we disagree we're:
"clinging to false hope"
"Peter Pan syndrom" (clinging to childhood)

Anyway. I don't think Romney is POTUS. Obama is going to win. Every President in the last 40 years (not sure about exact number) has lost party seats in Congress at the midterms, and most of them got reelected. Romney is a "liar." Santorum and Perry are "nutjobs." Paul's old. Gingrich is a toad.

I'm saying this as a diehard Ron Paul man

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JaKyL25
01/06/12 12:09:00 PM
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From: User728 | #045
Problem with that link is that it only tells us about partisan lines...doesn't tell us about the individual candidates themselves. Just because a state is usually more liberal, doesn't mean the specific candidate (crappy 2012 Obama) will take the state. Also, Obama just needs to lose 1 big state, such as Florida, and then it's pretty much over for him.


It quite literally says that the blue states are for "Obama," not just "for Democrat."

And your math is quite horrid.

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User728
01/06/12 12:13:00 PM
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From: special_sauce | #048
Why are your topics all questions where you want us to "admit" that pokemon is childish or "agree" that Romney is the president. Are you looking for some sort of unanimous confirmation of what you think or something?

and if we disagree we're:
"clinging to false hope"
"Peter Pan syndrom" (clinging to childhood)

Anyway. I don't think Romney is POTUS. Obama is going to win. Every President in the last 40 years (not sure about exact number) has lost party seats in Congress at the midterms, and most of them got reelected. Romney is a "liar." Santorum and Perry are "nutjobs." Paul's old. Gingrich is a toad.

I'm saying this as a diehard Ron Paul man


Your post lost its credibility.

From: JaKyL25 | #049
It quite literally says that the blue states are for "Obama," not just "for Democrat."

And your math is quite horrid.


I know that is says Obama, but they're basing it off of liberal states, not states that Obama personally is popular in. And my math is just fine, thank you.
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