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TheKoolAidShoto 01/06/12 12:14:00 PM #51: |
Obama is president for all of 2012, so...no?
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special_sauce 01/06/12 12:14:00 PM #52: |
From: User728 | #047 You mean because he lost by 1% to a GENERIC. Generics always, always poll better From: User728 | #045 Your logic absolutely applies to the conservatives. It DOESN'T apply to Obama, because he's listed as the candidate in that link (against generic conservative) Also, Obama just needs to lose 1 big state, such as Florida, and then it's pretty much over for him. This is true for Conservatives as well. -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 01/06/12 12:14:00 PM #53: |
From: EndOfDiscOne | #039 Alright after looking into it briefly, but only briefly, this looks like a fair stance on the surface. I was more looking for specifics than the economics theorycraft that User728 is serving here. But did W actually attempt to do anything to help clean this up? I don't recall anything. Hindsight is 20/20 and you could argue it was W being negligent that caused the issue to go awry as much as anything. You could also possibly blame it on banks being too eager to give out loans back then. There are a lot of factors and it's hard to be sure that Clinton is mostly to blame there without more evidence that I don't entirely care to look into at the moment-- but if you've got it offhand I'd be interested. In any case, it's not as cut and dry as an economic plan that consists of tax cuts and ridiculous increased military spending not working out, for instance. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muddersmilk 01/06/12 12:14:00 PM #54: |
User728 posted...
Problem with that link is that it only tells us about partisan lines...doesn't tell us about the individual candidates themselves. Just because a state is usually more liberal, doesn't mean the specific candidate (crappy 2012 Obama) will take the state. Also, Obama just needs to lose 1 big state, such as Florida, and then it's pretty much over for him. Yours didn't talk about individual candidates either. It was also Generic Republican vs Obama. And as has been said this is an awful election for those polls since "Generic Republican" also beats any of the Republican candidates. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:15:00 PM #55: |
From: User728 | #050 So you're telling me that RealClearPolitics is lying and is thus not to be trusted. Good to know. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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special_sauce 01/06/12 12:16:00 PM #56: |
From: User728 | #050 Yeah it loses credibility because I use logic to go against my personal desires lead me to believe I want someone like Ron Paul to win Obama will probably win -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 01/06/12 12:19:00 PM #57: |
From: User728 | #037 So you don't actually know anything about what you're talking about, you're just making assumptions? Just so we're clear on that, right? -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 01/06/12 12:19:00 PM #58: |
I'd rather have Obama than a guy who's last name means a frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes a product of anal sex.
Obama vs. Romney? Meh. Either way we lose. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:20:00 PM #59: |
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
This seems like it would have been a better poll to link to than Obama vs. Republican originally if you wanted to prove your thesis. Except for the fact that it shoots down your thesis entirely. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PartOfYourWorld 01/06/12 12:21:00 PM #60: |
Obama has this locked down. Romney ain't gonna inspire anyone to get out there and vote. It's Obama vs. Not Obama, and that doesn't work as well for the other guys as actually getting people inspired about their own candidate. Obama is the much more charismatic, likable candidate, the economy is starting to improve (unemployment down to 8.5 after being at 9.1-9.2), and Bin Laden is dead. Good luck to Romney, he's gonna need it.
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User728 01/06/12 12:22:00 PM #61: |
You people don't understand. The Obama vs. GOP candidate is using the current candidates. The Obama vs. Republican states thing is just going by the parties, and not by the specific candidates themselves. GOP candidate can be any of the 8 candidates listed and it won't change.
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CrimsonOcean 01/06/12 12:22:00 PM #62: |
I'll be voting for Romney in the primaries. I'll be damned if I ever vote for that jack ass Santorum.
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ExThaNemesis 01/06/12 12:23:00 PM #63: |
Also User, how do you have time to polititroll on B8 when you should be applying at Law Firms?
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:23:00 PM #64: |
From: User728 | #061 I just linked to data that suggests that it does change when GOP Candidate is replaced with Mitt Romney. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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User728 01/06/12 12:23:00 PM #65: |
From: special_sauce | #056 Ron Paul is the only candidate as bad as Obama. Nice opinion...not. From: ExThaNemesis | #057 Sub-prime loans. 'Nuff said. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/06/12 12:24:00 PM #66: |
America hates change, so ironically Obama will be elected again no problem. If the 2-term law had never been put in place, FDR's lifeless corpse would probably still be President.
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PartOfYourWorld 01/06/12 12:25:00 PM #67: |
From: foolm0ron | #066 And I'd proudly vote for it. -- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... SuperNiceDog own me... in the Guru! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MarvelousGerbil 01/06/12 12:25:00 PM #68: |
foolm0ron posted...
America hates change, so ironically Obama will be elected again no problem. If the 2-term law had never been put in place, FDR's lifeless corpse would probably still be President. What a lame law. -- http://i.imgur.com/6XjQR.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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User728 01/06/12 12:25:00 PM #69: |
From: ExThaNemesis | #063 Funny you say that since I just sent out a few resumes today. Using lawjobs and lawcrossing mostly...but also looking at craigslist even though it's extremely shady. Anyway, just because I have responsibilities, doesn't mean I don't have some spare time to keep refining my trolling skills. I usually get a goldmine topic either by discussing Obama or Pokemon. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:25:00 PM #70: |
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_gingrich_vs_obama-1453.html
Newt certainly does a lot poorer against Obama than "generic GOP candidate" too. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_DK 01/06/12 12:32:00 PM #71: |
Considering he is cleaning up Clinton's mess (a Democrat), yes, a Republican will get elected. Unless you think someone can just waltz into office and change the entire nation's economy instantly by snapping his fingers. And considering Obama has failed horribly at trying to fix Clinton's mess, he's on his way out. His only attempt so far was a failed stimulus package where he spent millions to research steroids in baseball and horseracing...that sure will stimulate the economy.
LOL if you think clinton did anything as a president. By his second term, the republican controlled congress could do anything they wanted because of his scandal. And the real mess began with nixon. When he got pardoned, our country lost any sense of discipline. Combined that with the fact that he opened trade with china and didnt impose any regulations....ya thats when the united states really went down the ****er. Anyone blaming clinton, or bush, or obama has no grasp of politics. It started with nixon and then we saw the national debt skyrocket with reagans shenangans. If you blame clinton for anything, its repealing GlassSteagall Act and signing the telecommunications bill which ruined mass media. Both of those things were clinton's fault, but they were the republican controlled congress's fault just as much. -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DK Currently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II ... Copied to Clipboard!
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special_sauce 01/06/12 12:33:00 PM #72: |
This needs to stop:
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ExThaNemesis 01/06/12 12:36:00 PM #73: |
From: User728 | #069 you definitely need to do that. -- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/ExTha/10and14.jpg "What about the lion from Lion King?" - SuperNiceDog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:36:00 PM #74: |
From: User728 | #069 As someone who enjoys replying to trolls as much as trolls enjoy trolling, IMO you have a lot of work to do. Although to be fair, I don't remember you before this topic so maybe your past attempts were better. Where's the constant spin? Where's the fight against the masses? Where's the edge-of-insanity-but-still-logical counterargument to people throwing logic back at you? I saw one attempt at belittling the opposition in an attempt to enrage them into destroying their own arguments, but I need more. Ulti and SephG need to teach a course on this or something. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VincentLauw 01/06/12 12:37:00 PM #75: |
At this point can we all agree that User728 topics are redundant?
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Lopen 01/06/12 12:38:00 PM #76: |
Not sure why I expected to actually learn anything here, but it was an interesting approach that showed promise for a bit. I'd like if these topics went more into whys and facts that are elaborated instead of just stating opinions with some arbitrary facts that require the other person to connect the dots. They'd be more interesting to read and more educational. I like knowing the thought process behind political (well, any) opinions, that's where I think the merit and whether someone is really worth listening to really comes in.
Then again I guess it's just a troll topic so I should know better. But... EndOfDiscOne gave me hope! Zzzz. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 01/06/12 12:40:00 PM #77: |
You could at least pull a Smurf and put exclamation points! Whenever! You are! Blatantly! Throwing horse****!
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StifledSilence 01/06/12 12:41:00 PM #78: |
The economy is where it is because Dubbya Bush spent the surplus budget from Clinton's administration like a little girl at a shopping mall. Wars typically boost an economy, but Bush managed to find a way to have a war and put the entire country in serious debt. Obama deserves another four years to continue to try to get us out of this mess. Another Republican president would essentially ruin us.
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User728 01/06/12 12:50:00 PM #79: |
From: ExThaNemesis | #073 My 78 post Obama topic and 40 post Pokemon topic say otherwise. Hell, I even have you extremely mad at me which is why you are implying I have poor trolling skills (the common reaction by angry people). When my friends are even mad at me, I know I can pat myself on the back pretty hard. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 01/06/12 12:51:00 PM #80: |
To be fair, it was as much Rumsfeld's fault. He was the one with the brilliant idea that the war would be an easy enough win that he could get away with barely equipping the army and going in with no particular plan, thereby dragging it out about five years longer than it would have taken had someone competent been in charge
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User728 01/06/12 12:51:00 PM #81: |
From: JaKyL25 | #074 *yawn* From: VincentLauw | #075 I can. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_DK 01/06/12 12:52:00 PM #82: |
The economy is where it is because Dubbya Bush spent the surplus budget from Clinton's administration like a little girl at a shopping mall. Wars typically boost an economy, but Bush managed to find a way to have a war and put the entire country in serious debt. Obama deserves another four years to continue to try to get us out of this mess. Another Republican president would essentially ruin us.
obviously what bush did with that small surplus was absurd and pathetic, but on the largest scale it wasn't as significant as many think. We were still in a massive amount of debt due to reagan, people were still barely paying taxes, and we were losing historically important businesses (manufacturing). Clinton trimming as much of the debt as he did was impressive and good, but he didn't ensure long term debt cutting because we weren't seeing any comebacks in important job sectors. Combine that with the fact that he didn't really start ending all these tax loopholes and ya...it was more of a blip on the radar and not a long term thing to go by. It is ironic though that clinton was pretty much more fiscally conservative than any president post ww2 and yet republicans today say hes the reason for this mess. The US mess of today started 35ish years ago. That was the root of the problem. People who blame clinton of the 90s or bush of the 00s are semi shortsighted and just want to think their generations were the most significant. Bush sucked, and Clinton was only slightly better (and Obama is a wimp), but the problem is/was nixon and reagan. -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DK Currently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II ... Copied to Clipboard!
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User728 01/06/12 12:53:00 PM #83: |
From: XIII_rocks | #083 lol pretty much...and when someone you're friends with tells you this then you know you REALLY struck a nerve. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/06/12 12:54:00 PM #84: |
From: User728 | #079 This is exactly right btw I always thought the highest compliment you could pay a troll is telling him he's bad at trolling. That's always struck me as, "I know you're trolling but I'm still angry at you and your posts, so I'll get meta and say you're bad at what you're doing". -- XIIIiscool (2:47 am): *gets in a car* I'M F***ING COMING FOR YOU RUSTY RustyMrMokka has left the room. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 01/06/12 12:55:00 PM #85: |
Trolling is boring. I'd rather have an intelligent discussion on how Clinton's responsible for the downfall of the economy.
Or why Nixon and Reagan were. Significant elaboration on the why there could possibly salvage this and make this topic worth reading. Educate the ignorant masses of b8, Metal_DK. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/06/12 12:56:00 PM #86: |
From: User728 | #079 Atta boy! Maybe there's hope for you after all! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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User728 01/06/12 12:58:00 PM #87: |
From: Lopen | #085 IMO, trolling is extremely fun. I pretty much go to B8 to wind down and troll some victims. If I want to have an intelligent discussion, I'd do it with people face-to-face. The internet was literally made for annoying people...and I love it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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User728 01/06/12 12:58:00 PM #88: |
From: JaKyL25 | #086 lulz...thanks. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 01/06/12 1:04:00 PM #89: |
Eh, trolling gets old. That's why I tried to divert this topic into something worthwhile, because the trolling material was potentially interesting (unlike whether Pokemon is for kids who gives a crap) and the best troll material is based on truth to some extent.
But oh well. At least this topic defying all logic got more posts than the Pokemon one. That's a moral victory or something. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomNook7 01/06/12 1:07:00 PM #90: |
romney and obama both equally suck
the status quo sucks america is doomed -- Genesis does what Nintendon't http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_DK 01/06/12 1:10:00 PM #91: |
IMO, trolling is extremely fun. I pretty much go to B8 to wind down and troll some victims. If I want to have an intelligent discussion, I'd do it with people face-to-face. The internet was literally made for annoying people...and I love it.
trolling is fun if you are good at it. The best trolls aren't ones who just say something stupid and act like they are e-thugs. The best trolls are ones who post semi rationally and get responses out of people because the posts are somewhat thought out. But you did get a fair amount of responses so props to you But honestly, trolling at a whole becomes stupid after youve been on the internet as long as most of us. Back when this board was pretty fresh (like 2003/2004) i could see trolling kinda fun. But now? Meh this board is pretty much so set in stone with the names and posts that most trolling attempts seem unoriginal and boring. The same goes for most message boards due to the concept of the message board becoming obsolete with facebook/twitter statuses and wikis. -- Pride. Passion. Excellence. Metal_DK Currently playing: Sengoku Rance, Starcraft II ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 01/06/12 1:12:00 PM #92: |
I have a blast trolling on other boards. I don't do it as much here though but I still appreciate good trolls.
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JDTAY 01/06/12 3:19:00 PM #93: |
TomNook7 posted...
romney and obama both equally suck the status quo sucks america is doomed This is probably closest to the truth. The good thing about supporting Gary Johnson is I can always claim that America sucks because we didn't elect Gary Johnson, though if we actually do elect him, it'll probably still suck. At least a sucky America beats a decent anywhere else any day. <3 -- PSN: JDTAY87 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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