pjbasis posted...
It's a school fight. Bullies don't try to kill their victims ever. You're assuming too much about this kid to think he was just some scared poor boy.
Your ignorance is showing. Bullies do kill, either directly or by indirectly making their victims suicidal. The bully attacked the kid from behind, the bully's friends prevented the kid from escaping, thus the kid is cornered. Nature takes care of the rest.
He brought the knife, didn't tell his attacker, and then used it at the first sign of violence. It would be just as safe to assume he was waiting for this opportunity.
Literally blaming the victim for protecting his own life.
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 1:03:00 PM #101: |
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pjbasis 01/04/12 1:04:00 PM #102: |
saveus_Maria posted...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard You got me! Though it looks a little like a hate crime than a classic bully-victim relationship. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/04/12 1:04:00 PM #103: |
This case will do more to stop bullying than all the misguided anti-bullying laws legislatures have passed in recent years.
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MoogleKupo141 01/04/12 1:05:00 PM #104: |
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rip-DylanNuno-Gone-But-Never-Forgotten/183361675031491
lol oh god, one of those comments may be from the Angry Video Game Nerd. Or someone with the same name as him and who looks vaguely similar. -- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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colliding 01/04/12 1:05:00 PM #105: |
I mean look at that guy. That guy couldn't beat someone to death if he had a baseball bat.
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pjbasis 01/04/12 1:06:00 PM #106: |
Gatarix posted...
No. The article says he got off the bus several stops before the place where the fight was to happen, and even after being followed and getting punched in the head, he first attempted to get away before resorting to his knife. Fair point! It doesn't really say what kept him from getting away, but I'll concede to this. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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colliding 01/04/12 1:06:00 PM #107: |
red sox 777 posted...
This case will do more to stop bullying than all the misguided anti-bullying laws legislatures have passed in recent years. Fact: This case will do absolutely nothing to stop bullying. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingButz 01/04/12 1:07:00 PM #108: |
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MoogleKupo141 01/04/12 1:09:00 PM #109: |
Fact: This case will do absolutely nothing to stop bullying. I'd say it stopped at least one person from bullying! -- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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colliding 01/04/12 1:09:00 PM #110: |
Really don't think any of those pics are funny.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 1:11:00 PM #111: |
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greengravy294 01/04/12 1:24:00 PM #112: |
Good for Jorge
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VincentLauw 01/04/12 1:26:00 PM #113: |
Bullies that do or want to do serious physical harm deserve everything that's coming to them. If you can say with a straight face that if someone who scared you so much and made you think he was going to murder you that you wouldn't do anything back the moment he finally struck (whether or not with the intent to kill you), you're either a very good liar or an angel.
PS: I've never been bullied physically, and the last time I was bullied 'mentally' was when I was 8 years old or something. (and that happens to almost everyone) So I can only assume that the feeling I have is multiplied hundreds of times to people who HAVE been bullied like this -- http://img.imgcake.com/VincentLauw/waluigijpgze.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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My Immortal 01/04/12 1:28:00 PM #114: |
God, that Facebook group and those pictures makes me ill. How do you think his parents/family/loved ones feel seeing those? The internet ****ing disgusts me sometimes.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 1:30:00 PM #115: |
^the people who posted those were probably bullied in school too. >_>
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voltch 01/04/12 2:03:00 PM #116: |
Should have just used a Stone Cold Stunner.
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 2:07:00 PM #117: |
The internet isn't surprising in that regard. Especially if 4chan is involved.
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Liquid Wind 01/04/12 2:12:00 PM #118: |
How do you think his parents/family/loved ones feel seeing those?
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ExThaNemesis 01/04/12 2:12:00 PM #119: |
oh my god I can't believe people are defending the bully here. You realize you are advocating that he was of sound mind to continually provoke and then assault someone that he knew had a deadly weapon? You really think that moron didn't have it coming? Oh hey, this guy has a knife on him, let's punch him in the head and see what happens. XFD board 8 sometimes I swear.
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FL81 01/04/12 2:14:00 PM #120: |
Fair, next.
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 2:18:00 PM #121: |
ExThaNemesis posted...
oh my god I can't believe people are defending the bully here. You realize you are advocating that he was of sound mind to continually provoke and then assault someone that he knew had a deadly weapon? You really think that moron didn't have it coming? Oh hey, this guy has a knife on him, let's punch him in the head and see what happens. XFD board 8 sometimes I swear. Bully didn't know the kid had a weapon on him, so it's actually worse than that. Because then the hidden Aesop is "If you don't show your bullies you don't have a weapon, it's ok for them to pick on you". Well that's a fairly big leap but... -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 01/04/12 2:27:00 PM #122: |
yeah I got no issue with this
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JJH777 01/04/12 2:27:00 PM #123: |
Wow at people defending the bully. If the kid didn't stab him we would have just had something like this happen:
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CorporalSphynx 01/04/12 2:37:00 PM #124: |
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but any attack to the head is considered use of deadly force, and as such can be met with equal force, in other words, deadly.
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WazzupGenius00 01/04/12 2:39:00 PM #125: |
yeah I mentioned that
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FashnQueenEtna 01/04/12 2:48:00 PM #126: |
From: colliding | #510 It's been like this for a long ass time now. Well, I think some of them are funny, but internet subculture is basically run by memes. And on the "Murder" I'd say it's fair. A blow to the head is pretty bad, and you can do a lot of damage (even unarmed). I'm not sure where to the head it was though, if it was back of the head then even 12 stabs is not even close to enough. -- Chrono1219 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmarsComin 01/04/12 2:57:00 PM #127: |
comments on that article are embarrassing to read
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/04/12 2:58:00 PM #128: |
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bronzefrog 01/04/12 3:03:00 PM #129: |
Might as well post a bit more information:
http://www.news-press.com/article/20120103/CRIME/120103027/Collier-judge-rules-for-teen-in-fatal-bus-stop-stabbing? However, Brodie ruled that according to the testimony of Saavedra and other students, Saavedra was picked on every time he rode the bus home and he would walk home or skip school to avoid being taunted with derogatory names and being threatened that “we’re going to get you” or “you’d better watch your back.” On that fatal day, he was told by Nuno and his friends that “‘today’s the day,’” Brodie said. After Saavedra got off the bus and started walking to a friend’s house, Nuno punched Saavedra from behind, Brodie said. Saavedra kept walking to avoid the fight but “Dylan Nuno started throwing punches again to the back of his head” while Nuno’s friends yelled, “‘get him, hit him harder,’” the judge said. Finally, “Saavedra testified that he began to get lightheaded. He felt that his life was being threatened and thought the other boys might be joining in,” Brodie said. That is when Saavedra “reached in his pocket, bent forward and stabbed Dylan with a knife as the punches continued,” the judge said. But “even after that, he heard Dylan telling his friends, ‘go get him,’” Brodie said. For the record, judge granted immunity from prosecution for this. For also what it's worth, state attorneys couldn't find any issues to appeal. To quote the bully's dad: Nuno’s father, Renier Nuno, said the decision sends the wrong message: That if a juvenile says he’s afraid, he can kill another teenager. “If my son had a gun, he would be alive today,” the father said. But, “my son didn’t even have a rock or a stick,” he said. Uh huh. I got no words. This whole thing is awful tragedy, a horrible mess. -- Soul Eater - Vinland Saga - Yu Yu Hakusho - Planetes - Break Blade - Beelzebub - The Breaker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 01/04/12 3:05:00 PM #130: |
Well that is more damning for the bully.
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FashnQueenEtna 01/04/12 3:06:00 PM #131: |
If his son had a gun he's be a murderer today.
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Sorozone 01/04/12 3:07:00 PM #132: |
From: bronzefrog | #129 He'd also be in jail. >_> -- - ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 3:10:00 PM #133: |
Nuno’s father, Renier Nuno, said the decision sends the wrong message: That if a juvenile says he’s afraid, he can kill another teenager.
“If my son had a gun, he would be alive today,” the father said. But, “my son didn’t even have a rock or a stick,” he said. Good lord. I mean I don't blame the father for thinking that and being biased and all, it's his flesh and blood. But yeah, kind of out of touch with reality there. And at the end of the day you raised a bully who punches kids from behind, so um good job with that. -- http://i.minus.com/iUVnhKxM7l5DG.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/04/12 3:11:00 PM #134: |
So are people going to still defend the bully now?
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SupremeZero 01/04/12 3:11:00 PM #135: |
From: bronzefrog | #129 *facepalm* Where in Florida was this again? -- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover, God himself, be your hope. You have to be your own hope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 3:12:00 PM #136: |
From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #134 I honestly still don't buy 12 stabs as self-defence, but as has been said it really depends on the nature of said stabs so eh. Bully got what was coming to him though, no doubt about that, so my issue is really a semantic one. -- "The great fallacy is that the game is first and foremost about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory." - Danny Blanchflower ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 01/04/12 3:14:00 PM #137: |
From: XIII_rocks | #136 Given that he was apparently urging his friends on AFTER the first stab... -- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover, God himself, be your hope. You have to be your own hope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 3:14:00 PM #138: |
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
So are people going to still defend the bully now? Of course. They're misguided into thinking that you can have complete control of your thoughts and emotion when you're cornered, as well as believe that there isn't a situation in which you have to kill to live through. Funny thing about fear. Fear is what keeps us alive, it's also the main thing that kills us. The fear of dying, that drives us to actions that cause normally docile people to kill. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Panthera 01/04/12 3:17:00 PM #139: |
From: bronzefrog | #129 This sends the wrong message, that if you want to assault and harass someone, it's okay as long as you can kill them if they resist -- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 3:20:00 PM #140: |
From: Dark Young Link | #138 Honestly I don't think this is as clear-cut as you're making it sound. Ultimately a kid, however much of a douchebag bully, was killed and no charges were brought to the killer. I mean you have to be pretty strongly biased to think there's no grey area here. -- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/345927/omg-cat-danny-rose-o.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bronzefrog 01/04/12 3:22:00 PM #141: |
Collier County.
As far as legal precedent precedent goes, well, it's a bit of an extreme case but Jorge is covered by it. He tried to escape, was attacked at the head, was actively trying to avoid harm, and at the last, used deadly force in response. Legally, there's nothing on him that could be used. Bringing in traumatologists would just help Saavadra's case, who can point out that in the heat of a fight with adrenaline pumping, you are not going to immediately notice a pocket knife wound unless it's to the vital organs. Ugly build up, ugly situation, ugly outcome. I hope that something decent can come out of this, because it sucks for everyone as it is. ....well, yes, except for the internet. Forget it. I honestly still don't buy 12 stabs as self-defence, but as has been said it really depends on the nature of said stabs so eh. If it's a knife that fits in his pocket, one stab that isn't to the vital organs isn't gonna stop people in their tracks. Depending on their mood, it may not even really register to them. According to the article in OP, only two stabs were actually fatal. Saavedra attempted to get away once, witnesses said. He then stabbed Dylan Nuno 12 times in the chest and abdomen. Two of the blows caused fatal wounds, including one that nicked his heart. -- Soul Eater - Vinland Saga - Yu Yu Hakusho - Planetes - Break Blade - Beelzebub - The Breaker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 01/04/12 3:23:00 PM #142: |
From: XIII_rocks | #142 The kid did basically everything he possibly could to avoid it. The only thing I can think of is showing the bully the knife as a threat itself, which would just risk being disarmed if the bully really was that stupid. .. hell, the bully could've taken the knife and then we'd have murder in the other direction. -- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover, God himself, be your hope. You have to be your own hope. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 01/04/12 3:24:00 PM #143: |
If my son had a gun, he would be alive today
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WazzupGenius00 01/04/12 3:25:00 PM #144: |
Obviously just showing the knife wouldn't have been enough since we know for a fact that stabbing with the knife once wasn't enough to make them stop
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 3:28:00 PM #145: |
He didn't do everything possible because according to that report he did not run away, he only walked.
And that's not something you want to do because then you're asking to be chased, but it's a possible avenue of escape if you're fast enough or they are surprised enough, or the area allows you to make a quick getaway. Speaking of which I don't know what the area was like either, could he not have shouted for help from someone nearby? All possible things that he could have done, but didn't according to that report. This is kind of an argument over nothing I guess, I just don't like the idea that some people like DYL seem to think there's no grey area at all. -- http://i.imgur.com/j5f3K.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 3:29:00 PM #146: |
XIII_rocks posted...
From: Dark Young Link | #138 PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Honestly I don't think this is as clear-cut as you're making it sound. Ultimately a kid, however much of a douchebag bully, was killed and no charges were brought to the killer. I mean you have to be pretty strongly biased to think there's no grey area here. There's always a grey area to things like this. We don't know all the details, we don't know the exact moment the bullied snapped and the exact moment he calmed down enough to think rationally. But from all the facts we've been told, it looks simple enough. Victim attempts to avoid fight, bully follows and starts fight, victim tries to flee, friends of bully stops him, victim feels threatened enough to use lethal force. His actions were just considering the situation, but like I said it isn't pretty. Killing is usually wrong, but there are exceptions. This situation is arguably an exception. That's a grey area if you ask me. On a similar note, why the hell aren't the parents/school getting their collective asses verbally tanned over this? Bully doesn't start at killing, it has to build up long enough for it to happen. What steps were there to attempt to prevent this? Or was it another classic case of ignoring the problem until it turns into a complete ****ing disaster? -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 01/04/12 3:29:00 PM #147: |
Well, technically this was the right decision by the judge. By Florida state law, the kid's innocent.
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SupremeZero 01/04/12 3:30:00 PM #148: |
Running is WORSE than walking. It screams "Come catch me!" louder than you can imagine.
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PrivateBiscuit1 01/04/12 3:35:00 PM #149: |
From: XIII_rocks | #145 Uh. First of all, if he ran, they'd swarm him and grab him or beat him down so he couldn't get away or defend himself. And apparently the area wasn't too important if there was no one around to stop a kid from being told he's going to die by a mob of boys. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WazzupGenius00 01/04/12 3:35:00 PM #150: |
From: XIII_rocks | #145 He was a freshman being harassed by multiple juniors (or seniors, I forget now). No way in hell he successfully runs away unless he's really fast, and usually the kind of kid who gets bullied isn't exactly athletic. Really it's not that important, as the law vindicates him based on what he did do anyway. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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