LOLContests posted...
Well, in the case of self-defense, I would disagree.
Self-defense when someone's attempting to murder you, sure.
Glad we could agree on this.
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Paratroopa1 01/04/12 5:45:00 PM #251: |
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Well, in the case of self-defense, I would disagree. Self-defense when someone's attempting to murder you, sure. Glad we could agree on this. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/04/12 5:48:00 PM #252: |
Wanglicious posted...
rankings time sounds good. bully being dead > bully being hospitalized Are you f***ing serious? Do you think bullying is a capital offense? I can understand defending the kid's actions, but preferring the bully die than be severely injured is just crazy. -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 5:50:00 PM #253: |
life ain't sacred and there's times when death > life. life can be preferred at times, but not really always. i don't really have a problem with the idea of 'some people should die and don't ask for like genocidal tyrant at that level.
Do you think bullying is a capitol offence? no, i think tormenting someone, chasing him down with friends, punching him in the back of the head, and continuing to attack him gets you into 'it's fair game if he kills you. and if killing you results in less troubles for him, then it's preferable that you die.' capitol offense is a matter of the state, which has nothing to do with this at all - these are individual people with a personal problem, not the government. but if the aftermath of the guy hospitalized was better, then okay. that woulda been best. absolutely nothing to do with the bully though. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoolCly 01/04/12 5:52:00 PM #254: |
XIII_rocks posted...
What I'm getting from this is "I was bullied and this kid acted out something I kind of sort of wanted to do when I was in school". And I'm not even saying that's wrong or bad because I totally get it, but it sure as hell warps your perception of this incident. That's not really the point of what he said. The point is that you don't really seem to truly understand the situation that the kid was in. He was essentially in a situation where he had no options and was afraid. So he did something extreme. That's why Jorge not being prosecuted is justified. He was put into a situationwhere he had no option but to use extreme force to defend himself. The point Dark Young Link is trying to make is that you don't really seem to understand how dire the situation is for a kid like that. You keep trying to come up with "oh well he could have tried THIS optimistic option!" when really these options just don't exist or help. -- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 5:52:00 PM #255: |
What I'm getting from this is "I was bullied and this kid acted out something I kind of sort of wanted to do when I was in school".
You didn't answer the questions. >_> And no, I wouldn't have stabbed anyone. Or if you want a shorter version... Have you ever been bullied to the point of depression? -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Highwind89 01/04/12 5:54:00 PM #256: |
Bullied kid had every right to think that his life was in danger due to the bully's and his friends actions. Judge was absolutely right in this ruling.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 5:55:00 PM #257: |
life ain't sacred and there's times when death > life. life can be preferred at times, but not really always. i don't really have a problem with the idea of 'some people should die and don't ask for like genocidal tyrant at that level.
I guess that's where I and most of the people itt differ then. I just think unless you are at that kind of level, death is kind of a no-no. Especially when it's death dished out by one pissed off guy. I mean the whole Capital Punishment debate is far more intricate; I'm still against it but I'm not as against it as I am this kind of "street justice" or whatever. I mean, I hope the bullied kid didn't actually intend to kill the bully when he did this. That's why I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on the whole "stab count" thing. If he meant to kill him, I really can't feel that good for the guy. Even if he's an innocent kid standing up to a really terrible douchebag. -- http://i48.tinypic.com/2q8zwvs.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 5:59:00 PM #258: |
CoolCly posted...
XIII_rocks posted... What I'm getting from this is "I was bullied and this kid acted out something I kind of sort of wanted to do when I was in school". And I'm not even saying that's wrong or bad because I totally get it, but it sure as hell warps your perception of this incident. That's not really the point of what he said. The point is that you don't really seem to truly understand the situation that the kid was in. He was essentially in a situation where he had no options and was afraid. So he did something extreme. That's why Jorge not being prosecuted is justified. He was put into a situation where he had no option but to use extreme force to defend himself. The point Dark Young Link is trying to make is that you don't really seem to understand how dire the situation is for a kid like that. You keep trying to come up with "oh well he could have tried THIS optimistic option!" when really these options just don't exist or help. Thank you. That was my point exactly. Also that's condescending as **** XIII to imply this was some sort of wish fulfillment for me. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 6:00:00 PM #259: |
i'd say of course he intended to kill him. that's the only way you'd be convinced the other guy's going to stop beating the crap out of you. but that's less to do with being 'pissed off' and more to do with 'not wanting to get hit anymore.'
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 6:07:00 PM #260: |
yeah see i can't even say i've been constantly bullied ever. a couple guys being asses to me that really drove me up the wall sure, but mostly minor stuff. none of this chronic stuff some of you guys got.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:08:00 PM #261: |
That's not really the point of what he said. The point is that you don't really seem to truly understand the situation that the kid was in.
He was essentially in a situation where he had no options and was afraid. So he did something extreme. That's why Jorge not being prosecuted is justified. He was put into a situationwhere he had no option but to use extreme force to defend himself. The point Dark Young Link is trying to make is that you don't really seem to understand how dire the situation is for a kid like that. You keep trying to come up with "oh well he could have tried THIS optimistic option!" when really these options just don't exist or help. I understand the situation just fine. And like I've said a couple of times, this was not a unique situation in the world. But it became closer to being unique when the bully died. Lots of people are, unfortunately, bullied. They apparently had other options, or more bullies would be dead. This isn't a story you see often. Hell, kids being killed by bullies isn't a story you see that often. I've also never said he should be prosecuted. I agree the lack of a prosecution is fine, I just don't agree with treating the bullied kid like what he did was totally OK, or the lack of respect for the bully's life. Even the life of a scumbag like that is worth something. Maybe I'm just idealistic though in that regard. And I stand by the viability of the options I presented until I've seen the area the incident happened in. If it was in a place where running or trying to get help were both pretty much impossible then yeah sure I'll back off on those. Have you ever been bullied to the point of depression? Not really, no. But if you have that doesn't make you the authority on this situation, or anyone else for that matter. In fact it gives you a view that is likely to be skewed in one direction, that of the bully. And that doesn't invalidate your opinion, but asking me that question doesn't make a blind bit of difference. It's like "oh, we have a different perspective on this situation, who knew?" -- "With Harry, it's cool. We don't speak a lot and he doesn't care if I smile or if I know who the next team we play is." - Benoit Assou-Ekotto ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:11:00 PM #262: |
Also that's condescending as **** XIII to imply this was some sort of wish fulfillment for me.
Boot's on the other foot then innit. That's just what I read from the post, anyway. It was more...emotional than anything in this topic and that parlayed with your vehement defence of this kid so far...yeah, think it was a fair conclusion to jump to. I apologize if I misread it though. -- "To be fair to Herman Cain, we can't all be as wise as Slowking when he's wearing the Shellder of knowledge. Look it up, b****es." - Jon Stewart ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 01/04/12 6:13:00 PM #263: |
They apparently had other options, or more bullies would be dead
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 6:17:00 PM #264: |
XIII_rocks posted...
I understand the situation just fine. And like I've said a couple of times, this was not a unique situation in the world. But it became closer to being unique when the bully died. Lots of people are, unfortunately, bullied. They apparently had other options, or more bullies would be dead. This isn't a story you see often. Hell, kids being killed by bullies isn't a story you see that often. Not everyone has the convenience those other kids did. Options are on a case by case situation. Just because some other kids ran, doesn't mean you have the chance to. Hell, take fighting back for instance. Some kids are strong enough to defend themselves with fist alone, but not all of them. Thus hand to hand is not an option to the weaker victims(and bullies rarely go after the stronger target). Not to mention, not all cases of bullying go reported. Maybe bullies killing victims isn't "common", but how about kids committing suicide because of bullying, isn't that more common? Or how about self inflicted harm? That has to be far more common. I fail to see the point of this situation being "somewhat rare" means to anyone. Statistics don't mean **** in this situation. I've also never said he should be prosecuted. I agree the lack of a prosecution is fine, I just don't agree with treating the bullied kid like what he did was totally OK, or the lack of respect for the bully's life. Even the life of a scumbag like that is worth something. Maybe I'm just idealistic though in that regard. One could argue that it's pointless to care for the life of someone that doesn't care for the life of others. It's unfortunate anyone had to die, but would you ask that child to continue enduring hell just for your idealistic viewpoint? Have you ever been bullied to the point of depression? Not really, no. But if you have that doesn't make you the authority on this situation, or anyone else for that matter. In fact it gives you a view that is likely to be skewed in one direction. If you don't know how it feels like, then your opinion on the matter is less than those who do know. You're just making wild guessing, you don't know a damn thing about what the kid was going through unless you've been in his shoes. Seeing someone be bullied, and being bullied yourself are significantly different. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:31:00 PM #265: |
Eh, didn't rly want to bring this up but
When I was in sixth form (whatever grade that is, uhh, the 16-17 year) one of the biggest f***ing douchebags in my year were killed in a car crash. I don't think I was ever bullied to the point of depression, but I sure as hell wondered a couple of times what it would be like if they both just dropped dead, and kind of wanted it to happen just so they would both f*** off. And then they did. And it was f***ing terrible. Awful. Having to see his family grieving and his friends - most of which weren't actually douchebags at all, they were just friends with one - coming into school and walking out in the middle of class crying was just one of the worst experiences, and one of the biggest reasons was the fact that I knew I had actually kind of wanted this to happen, but I'd completely underestimated the after-effects of it. Before then I pretty much wished death on most people I disliked, a bit like MWC in that regard - C. Ronaldo can die, douchebag bullies at school can die, whatever. But I've just felt very differently about it all since then I guess. I'm not claiming to have a superior experience on the matter or anything like that, this whole incident just reminds me of that (except this is more violent and personal), and I guess that's why I'm a bit more wary. I'd consider the guy at my school who died to be a douchebag on this guy's sort of level, though I guess he wasn't punching younger kids in the back of the head repeatedly. -- http://i45.tinypic.com/2jdhsno.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 6:36:00 PM #266: |
honestly i'd say he's throwing far too much behind the experience card. no you don't have to experience something to understand it. other experiences can provide different viewpoints (and evidently, do here) as well as just plain different personalities. always hated that card because it's circular and self-fulfilling more than helpful. experiencing something certainly will help you understand it to an intimate level, but it's not necessary, and in fact it's unreasonable and illogical, to judge at that level as well.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:39:00 PM #267: |
Not everyone has the convenience those other kids did. Options are on a case by case situation. Just because some other kids ran, doesn't mean you have the chance to. Hell, take fighting back for instance. Some kids are strong enough to defend themselves with fist alone, but not all of them. Thus hand to hand is not an option to the weaker victims(and bullies rarely go after the stronger target). Not to mention, not all cases of bullying go reported. Maybe bullies killing victims isn't "common", but how about kids committing suicide because of bullying, isn't that more common? Or how about self inflicted harm? That has to be far more common.
I fail to see the point of this situation being "somewhat rare" means to anyone. Statistics don't mean **** in this situation. "those other kids" is a number that amounts to every other kid that has been in a rough situation that has not died, or killed someone. That's a pretty extensive list. That's not, like, 10 kids. I'd wager there's a similar situation going on in every high school in Canada, the US and the UK, or as good as. And kids committing suicide and self-inflicted harm both happen, but they are isolated from this situation. Those are things the bullied kid might have done when he got, for instance. Don't get me wrong, that's awful, but it's not my point. I'm talking about things that happen specifically during situations like this, not after-effects. And stats mean a lot in this situation, yes. This is an outlier incident, so it's worth asking WHY it's an outlier incident. One could argue that it's pointless to care for the life of someone that doesn't care for the life of others. It's unfortunate anyone had to die, but would you ask that child to continue enduring hell just for your idealistic viewpoint? "doesn't care for the life of others"? Tell that to his parents and even his (douchebag) friends. And it's pretty obvious that the bullied kid here didn't care for the life of the guy he literally killed. Everybody "doesn't care for" the life of somebody. If you don't know how it feels like, then your opinion on the matter is less than those who do know. You're just making wild guessing, you don't know a damn thing about what the kid was going through unless you've been in his shoes. Seeing someone be bullied, and being bullied yourself are significantly different. ...WTF, no it isn't. Not knowing what it feels like if anything makes me objective. If, say, YOU know what it feels like you are more likely to see some of yourself in the bullied kid and some of YOUR bullies in the bully here, that makes your opinion far more skewed than mine. -- http://i.imgur.com/LjoWT.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:42:00 PM #268: |
From: Wanglicious | #266 That's exactly my point. I mean I feel for DYL, don't get me wrong, it's terrible if what he described happened to him. But it doesn't give him a raised platform to preach about this situation, and is actually more likely to cloud his judgement. And I'm kind of the same with the whole "bully at my school literally did die" thing but at least I know that. I fully acknowledge the affect it had on me and how I view life in this kind of situation, even the life of a crapweasel like that. -- "With Harry, it's cool. We don't speak a lot and he doesn't care if I smile or if I know who the next team we play is." - Benoit Assou-Ekotto ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 01/04/12 6:44:00 PM #269: |
XIII_rocks posted...
I also think the bullied kid being hospitalized is the lesser of two evils over somebody dying, even if it's a massive douchebag like the bully, and that the bullied kid didn't explore every option that didn't involve the bully dying. That said, I'm not sure the bullied kid had the intent to kill and I guess I'll take the court's word on the nature of the 12 stabs. Seriously? What if the bullied was an elderly, a toddler, or a pregnant woman? And by your logic, if a country decides to invade another country and treat the people as mindless sex slaves and punching bags, it would be better to just accept that rather than retaliating. Hey, the invaded people don't have basic human rights but at least everyone's alive right? HAPPY END -- Oh, I am one yet many. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 6:48:00 PM #270: |
Alright maybe you don't HAVE to be in a similar situation to truly understand, but it makes it a lot easier.
And XIII, while while I can't truly claim to know how that feels, it does make sense of your viewpoint. It's easy to say "He got what he deserved" when you don't have to see all the innocent(the innocence of the parents is up for debate but that's another point entirely) people affected by it. That's the disgusting thing about hatred though, it's like a poison. It infects you from the inside which can only lead to unfortunate things. Perhaps we could both agree that this was a lose-lose situation for everyone involved and their collective families? -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 6:49:00 PM #271: |
What if the bullied was an elderly, a toddler, or a pregnant woman?
And by your logic, if a country decides to invade another country and treat the people as mindless sex slaves and punching bags, it would be better to just accept that rather than retaliating. Hey, the invaded people don't have basic human rights but at least everyone's alive right? HAPPY END I did say the lines were blurrable later if you read on. Life > Death always and forever isn't really some immovable moral principle I have or anything, that's just how I feel in this specific situation. From: Dark Young Link | #270 Fine with me. Good to have an argument like this go on for so long without (really) getting personal so thumbs up. -- http://i.imgur.com/tAfEW.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 01/04/12 7:03:00 PM #272: |
I'm honestly curious though, those weren't really rhetorical.
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XIII_rocks 01/04/12 7:16:00 PM #273: |
Oh right.
Well I don't know, really. With the first example, it depends on the legal system of the country it happens in. If the bully goes to jail for life for that (attacking an elderly/toddler/preggers) then that's not the worst result, surely? And the victim should certainly act in self-defence, too, but possibly stop short of using something lethal (pepper spray, for example). If we're dealing in some mob-rule state with no decent police force and it's kill or be killed then by all means, though that's kind of a sucky place to live in. I've never said people shouldn't defend themselves, I've just said I'd rather people didn't die. And I'm not sure this kid meant for the bully to die, anyway. The second example, of course you should fight back. If the scumbags die accidentally well too bad, they had what was coming to them, same as the bully ITT. It's intent to kill that I'm not a fan of, in the end. Like, if you attack somebody purely in self-defence and they die as a result then it's kind of unfortunate but they definitely had it coming, so it's not as bad a tragedy as it could have been. See what I mean? "Dobby only meant to...to maim, or severely injure!" -- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/345927/omg-cat-danny-rose-o.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 7:17:00 PM #274: |
And for the record... I do know how my life has shaped my viewpoint on certain things. I admit that I'm still bitter inside. I'm much more calmer now than I used to be a couple of years ago, but that unpleasant side of me still exists. Though perhaps that's unavoidable. Unless you die young, something is bound to change how you look at the world, and I think we all have our demons that we keep locked away.
Oh and the example I posted earlier was rhetorical somewhat. I've been bullied, and I've been depressed because of it(among other things), but my situation was different. Some daddy issues(Some of you may not be surprised about this) mixed with regret, and your standard bullying. I suppose I was somewhat lucky though. While not a giant, I was big enough for discourage physical conflict and I did have a fair amount of people support me. Perhaps my biggest problem was my reluctance to antagonize anyone, I do wish I could go back in time and at least verbally tear some hides. I doubt I'd kill anyone though if I had a choice in the matter. Hell, one day someone did indeed hit me in the back with a board. Either the back or the back of my head. All I know was that I was stunned. The guy ran, and several people chased him and most likely beat the crap out of him. Including people I wasn't really friends with. No serious injuries as far as I know, though now I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the hit did more than stun.... But in the end, no single person messed with me enough for me to snap in high school, thank goodness. I can only think of one kid who seriously should have gotten their ass kicked, as opposed to just verbally shown up. -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liwakip 01/04/12 7:40:00 PM #275: |
I'm a heartless mongrel as to this case:
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Dark Young Link 01/04/12 7:45:00 PM #276: |
That's um.......
yeah... -- You'll get what's coming to you Ulti, wait and see. - Takfloyd_mkII__ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EDumey 01/04/12 7:45:00 PM #277: |
Having just seen this and not bothering to read the entire topic:
Maybe the sun was in his eyes. olol -- Sunbro. http://i.imgur.com/ZhLrT.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bronzefrog 01/04/12 8:05:00 PM #278: |
Eh, might as well bring up more history then.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/jan/25/dylan-nuno-jorge-saavedra-stab-palmetto-ridge-bus/ Nuno, a sophomore at Palmetto Ridge and a recent transfer from Lely High School, lived with his father on 12th Street NE. Described as energetic and something of a class clown, Nuno was athletic and involved in sports like wrestling and Jiu Jitsu. Lely High wrestling coach Tige Thompson recalled Nuno as a promising athlete held back by academic problems in his freshman year. Wrestling in a 119 or 125 pound weight class, Nuno was good on the ground, Thompson said, and very competitive. ... Nuno’s father, Renier Nuno, is a Jiu Jitsu teacher, Thompson said, and state records show he operates a business out of his home, RN Custom Closets & Glass, Inc. Note, this doesn't bring up nearly as many details of what actually happened as the last link I posted. But that one was reporting straight from the final report on the 4th of this year. This one is from 25/01/11. And something about Saavadra: Collier County deputies arrested Saavedra on Dec. 9, 2011 after his mother reported he refused to go to school, according to an incident report. After being escorted to the high school, Saavedra walked away and then physically struggled with a deputy, reports say. The charge, resisting an officer with violence, was dropped days later. Make your time -- Soul Eater - Vinland Saga - Yu Yu Hakusho - Planetes - Break Blade - Beelzebub - The Breaker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 01/04/12 8:09:00 PM #279: |
It makes you wonder..... who's the REAL bully?
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MartinFF7 01/04/12 8:12:00 PM #281: |
From: bronzefrog | #278 Kid is relentlessly tormented, kills someone, and is psychologically f***ed as a result. More at 11! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 8:14:00 PM #282: |
now i'm just surprised the knife worked 12 times.
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AdmiralZephyr 01/04/12 8:16:00 PM #283: |
UltimaterializerX posted...
As someone against anti-bullying laws, this is fine by me. If someone wants to be a jerk and bully people because they're smaller or whatever, this is a risk they take. Gotta go with this. Now, on the flip side, the kid could be charged with having a weapon at school, but that's completely moot to the case at hand. -- darkx congratulates SuperNiceDog. Now go find Nice Dad and email Hungry Shark. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimJab 01/04/12 8:16:00 PM #284: |
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paperwarior 01/04/12 8:17:00 PM #285: |
Ulti, could you explain your reasoning behind being opposed to anti-bullying laws? Is it just a dislike of any new federal regulation, a free speech thing, or what?
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 8:23:00 PM #286: |
wait what
just the idea that the bully here was much more fit, in better shape, and actually has a solid martial arts background (including his dad being a teacher). knife evens out a fight yeah, but he got stabbed 12 times. like okay, even after the first couple he got slowed down and didn't really have time to react, but it's kinda impressive that it actually worked that well. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimJab 01/04/12 8:24:00 PM #287: |
somebody surprises your ass with a knife and gets you once, he can pretty much have his way with you
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TimJab 01/04/12 8:26:00 PM #288: |
i highly doubt the dude was still trying to karate kick him and **** after getting stabbed 9 times
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 8:26:00 PM #289: |
point. though the kid did show at least 2 others that he had a knife.
...which kinda make sme wonder, if they were part of the group.... bah. too many mysteries in there to really figure that one out. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/04/12 8:28:00 PM #290: |
nah, the stabber says he thought the stabee called for backup after the first stab. which just plain makes sense too since fi you get stabbed you kinda want your backup to help you not get stabbed some more.
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red sox 777 01/04/12 8:28:00 PM #291: |
My reason for opposing the bullying laws is that they punish victims who stand up for themselves with the same brush as for the bullies. Being convicted under one of these laws will do far more harm to you than a bully could possibly do in 99% of cases, and you risk running afoul of them unless you are the picture of meekness and subservience. Which just eggs the bullying on. Further, if victims know that these very harsh laws exist against bullying, they are less likely to try to report it, because they do not wish that fate on the bully. It's like in 18th century England, if you caught a thief stealing some minor items from you, you probably don't report him because you know that if he's found guilty, the penalty is death.
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TimJab 01/04/12 8:29:00 PM #292: |
i originally thought you meant you were surprised the knife worked 12 times, like it was gonna break after 5 stabs like in fallout
edit: i guess the better example would have been the giant's knife in oot! -- http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimJab 01/04/12 8:32:00 PM #293: |
From: Wanglicious | #290 tougher guy than me when i got stabbed i went AHUDHIUASDASD and crapped my pants a little -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bStVb1G_E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bronzefrog 01/04/12 8:35:00 PM #294: |
Eh, repeated stabbing can be done very very quickly when it's on the abs, or just glancing off the ribs. Also in a fight.
Also depends on the kind of knife. ....i hate you bolivia -- Soul Eater - Vinland Saga - Yu Yu Hakusho - Planetes - Break Blade - Beelzebub - The Breaker ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JJH777 01/04/12 9:12:00 PM #296: |
It's hard to stick up for yourself when you are against a group. Bullying is very rarely 1 person.
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JJH777 01/04/12 10:38:00 PM #298: |
I just don't think it's always that simple. In 5th grade I was part of a group that tormented this one kid who was easily twice the size of any of us. He was someone who went through puberty earlier than everyone else and was extremely tall and awkward because of it. I don't remember him ever throwing a punch but I don't think that would have stopped us. I don't think we ever actually stopped I remember that he didn't go to the same middle school all of us (and pretty much everyone else from that school) went to.
I guess I can't say for certain that him throwing a punch wouldn't have ended it but I really don't think it would have. In fact just thinking about our "leader's" general attitude/personality I feel like it would have done nothing but make it worse. I considered him my best friend for like 2 years but he was probably the biggest douche I've ever met and bullied everyone in our group just as badly as we bullied that other kid. -- Starcraft is my life, so without it I wouldn't exist. - Artosis Congratulations to SuperNiceDog for winning the 2011 Guru contest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 01/04/12 10:41:00 PM #299: |
I don't think that the message behind the anti-bullying movement is something worth bashing, to be honest. As much as I hate how far we've gone with it, I don't think trying to teach kids to stop being pricks to one another is the worst thing in the world, mostly because that's what we were already doing.
I don't know, you could say I feel this way because I was bullied in school, but I don't see it that way. Just seems like common sense. (I wasn't really bullied in school either, but I'm just saying) -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Silverliner182V 01/05/12 8:55:00 PM #300: |
how do you define bullying, because obviously the well-defined act of "getting bullied" is a free ticket to murdering them
i cut someone off or cuss them out if i'm having a bad day? whoops guess that somebody is legally allowed to murder me now. -- maybe, lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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