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I marked out so hard for the Cross Armbreaker attempt at the :13 mark. Thought he was gonna end it early.

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Intense mat based wrestling right there.

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So...

Odds of Daniel Bryan becoming the first person to cash in the Money In The Bank contract and not win the title?

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I would have said "very high" but when they did the invalid cash-in and basically stripped his dream away from him, now I think it would be too cruel for him not to make it.

But then again Vince may not care about that. <_<

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I, too, thought that whole "He wasn't cleared to wrestle tonight" was a guarantee he'd end up winning it. But now he's jobbing to Cody Rhodes twice a week.

Divas continuing to put up four-star matches and promos.

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Alicia Fox just cut an amazing promo and had a catchphrase that will get very over.


She is also looking very hot with the red hair, but ashy elbows bleeeh


Whoa and Swagger first dude to really stand up to Henry off the bat and it shut him up. Swagger being relevant? Aww yeah

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Fantasy Booking Alert
At some point before WM, Henry gets annoyed with Bryan and puts him into the Hall of Pain. The announcers sell that this is the end of Daniel Bryan's dream, since now he won't make it back to active competition until after the expiration of his Money in the Bank.

Henry loses the title at WM to someone but then eventually wins it back. He defends against, say, Sheamus at Money in the Bank, and defeats him by the skin of his teeth. Then that night's SD MitB winner [some heel] comes down and TRIES to weaken Henry before cashing-in with weapon shots, but he starts going too far and Teddy Long says that he can't cash in tonight because he's now ejected from the building!

Henry gets up and begins to limp towards the ropes to exit the ring, when all of a

Bryan comes out, limping himself. Cole freaks out but then says that NO, Bryan CAN'T cash in, he LOST HIS CHANCE! But then Josh reminds us that this is actually the FINAL DAY that his briefcase is valid!

The ensuing battle is tough, like MGS4 Final Boss sort of thing, with two guys who both refuse to lose fighting solely on one leg, one heart, and one will to win.

Eventually we get to the World's Strongest Slam, but Bryan slips out, and then Henry clotheslines him, backs up and goes for the World's Strongest Splash, but Bryan rolls out of the way! As Henry kneels his way back up to his feet, Bryan finds his fighting spirit and unleashes a violent series of kicks to the head, and with one final windup he fells the great silverback, and collapses on top of him for the 1...2.....3!

The entire face locker room has to come out to help Bryan to his feet to realize what he's accomplished, and the PPV goes off the air Wrestlemania X style, with Bryan triumphant, riding on the shoulders of his peers. Cole is furious. Booker is ecstatic. Josh thanks everyone for watching this seminal moment in WWE history, and signs off.

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I just came


and I am not even that big of a bryan fan!

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It's even better if Henry never even loses the title until then, but that's a bit of a stretch.

To really sell the idea of comeuppance, Josh can even point out that had Henry never injured Bryan, then Daniel would have cashed in at Wrestlemania like he promised and Mark would have had all the time in the world to prepare for it. But by taking Bryan out to the point that now is the first time in months that he's actually medically cleared, he essentially forced Bryan's hand into a "now or never" scenario, and Henry has to deal with the element of surprise that he essentially created.

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How long is mania until MITB? When does bryan get injured and how do you keep him relevant in that time span

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Damn, that was cool. (Usos entrance)

Daniel Bryan has Teddy Long schedule a WHC match at Wrestlemania in exchange for his MITB. He doesn't want to cash it in after reigning champion Big Show's regularly scheduled match, because he's just too honorable for that. Mark Henry is still feuding with Show though, and is the number one contender, so he demands to have his title shot at Mania, or else he will put Teddy Long into the Hall of Pain. Teddy decides it will be a Triple Threat match for the title. (Optionally, it is also the main event, pushing Cena vs The Rock back a slot.)

Throughout the weeks leading up to the match, all the focus is on Show and Henry beating the hell out of each other. Daniel Bryan is there too, trying to get involved, but the two giants mostly dismiss him, even though he one-ups them a couple times. Come the match, the two of them quickly take Bryan out of the picture and go at it with each other for a while. But Bryan comes out of nowhere to get back into the match, slapping a submission maneuver on to Big Show. The crowd goes nuts as it looks like he'll tap, but Henry breaks it up and quickly disposes of Bryan again. The two go at it a while more, with Bryan occasionally popping back in and getting some offense before being taken out of the equation again. Finally, after he shows up again, Show and Henry, both sick of him, grab him by the neck together, look at each other, sharing a nod of understanding, before double choke slamming him through an announce table or something. The two go at it unabated again, leading up to a big superplex by Mark Henry. Big Show looks done for, but Henry is very slow getting up. Finally, he's crawled over and is about to cover Show when suddenly, Bryan from out of nowhere again slaps the LeBell Lock on Henry. Henry lasts for a decent while before finally tapping out. Daniel Bryan is your new World Heavyweight Champion.

Also yes, this is a blatant rip-off of another famous instance of a charisma-lacking ring general getting the title, but it's too perfect to pass up.

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He would have to be injured as WM nears. Like, maybe the Raw after Elimination Chamber, Bryan talks about how Mark Henry may have defeated 5 men last night, but he won't beat him...at Wrestlemania. Then on SD that week, after Henry has had enough kayfabe time to not be the walking dead after the Chamber, he assaults Bryan after a match and Hall of Pains him.

Then over the next month we get updates on Bryan's condition, and how grim it looks. He won't be back until after Summerslam the doctors say. Cole gloats and gloats about how this means Bryan's MitB contract has effectively expired.

Then between Mania and Capital Punishment we don't hear too much from him. A satellite interview here and there where he talks about his timetable and about how he hopes that Henry is still Champion by the time he gets back because they have unfinished business. Cole makes sure to mention how Bryan doesn't have to worry about that because he'll never even get an opportunity at the title without that Briefcase (which by the way is still in the background at every interview via satellite).

During the buildup to Money in the Bank we don't need to hear from Bryan at all, because they already constantly remind us of past MitB winners and what they've gone on to do. Bryan would always be a footnote in those discussions, since he never actually got a chance to cash in his briefcase but still never lost the cash-in match. His name would still come up a lot.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #064
Also yes, this is a blatant rip-off of another famous instance of a charisma-lacking ring general getting the title, but it's too perfect to pass up.

And then CM Punk comes out with the WWE Title and they hug.

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From: JaKyL25 | #067
And then CM Punk comes out with the WWE Title and they hug.

Oh my god how could I forget this part? This would be the greatest thing ever.

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this may have been brought up before, but why is Cena making fun of the Rock for not being there when Orton is usually the one that shows up to both shows?

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Orton and Sheamus. And Vickie's stable lately.

But mostly because it's really the only thing Cena can rag on The Rock to the crowd about. No one really cares that The Rock was in Tooth Fairy.

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The Alberto Del Rio conversation got me thinking. As far as I know (which isn't very far), these following mid-to-high card guys have never been face:

Cody Rhodes
Alberto Del Rio
Wade Barrett
The Miz
Dolph Ziggler
Jack Swagger (though he's bordering on jobber level right now, he's at least on television consistently)

What do you guys think their potential as a face would be?

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From: ZaziGuado | #071
The Alberto Del Rio conversation got me thinking. As far as I know (which isn't very far), these following mid-to-high card guys have never been face:

Cody Rhodes
Alberto Del Rio
Wade Barrett
The Miz
Dolph Ziggler
Jack Swagger (though he's bordering on jobber level right now, he's at least on television consistently)

What do you guys think their potential as a face would be?

Cody-Decent
Del Rio-I'm betting he is a better face then heel
Barrett-Doubting the potential of face barrett.
Miz-Will likely do fine as a face but will just flop back to heeldom quickly anyway. I think he likes being a heel.
Ziggler-Tricky but I'm sure he'll be pretty good.
Swagger-Needs that Face turn so badly. Swagger would be a godlike face. I'm 90% sure of it.

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From: ZaziGuado | Posted: 12/16/2011 9:47:46 PM | #071
Cody Rhodes
Alberto Del Rio
Wade Barrett
The Miz
Dolph Ziggler
Jack Swagger (though he's bordering on jobber level right now, he's at least on television consistently)

Rhodes=He'll go from Joker to Batman.
Del Rio=Really depends on how his gimmick works.
Wade=Would be okay, unless he adopted a Sherlock Holmes gimmick. Shut up. IT WOULD BE AWESOME.
Miz=He would be Rock lite.
Ziggler=Would be pretty good if they don't screw up his personality.
Swagger=Would be awesome and should have turned with the Cole vs Lawler feud. Seriously it was the perfect chance to have him turn face.

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Man, this Pope/Devon thing is ridiculous. Has any wrestling company ever spent so much time building up a lower-midcard angle? This thing has been simmering for like eight months!

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When Orton and Legacy split, was Orton the one who went face? I thought it was Legacy.

Rhodes could probably be face. He'd obviously need to completely revamp his character, but I could see him pulling it off, and a few crowds have been cheering for him even though he's heel.

Del Rio has usually been face outside of WWE. I could sort of see him pulling it off, but it'd obviously be a lot harder for the foreign guy to be face here. Eddie did it, but he was the impoverished underdog, not the destiny-guided rich guy.

It'll never work for Barrett. Was William Regal ever face? He may have been for a very short time during The Invasion, but all you needed to be a face then was to not be wearing a WCW shirt. Wade Barrett sounds way too British to be a WWE face.

The Miz's opportunity to turn face has passed, I think. During his feud with Cena last year, the crowd was so hotly on his side that he was already unofficially face the same way Cena's been unofficially heel for a few years. That was a one-time opportunity though, and he just looks way too punchable to be face. He just has a face you want to see punched. It'd be hard to sell him as a face.

There was one point about a year ago where I said Dolph could turn on Vickie to turn face and get hugely over, but he's just so good as a heel that I don't think there's a reason to try him as a face unless there was a serious lack of faces.

Swagger could be face, but only as a jobber. No way is he upper-midcard or even main event level as a face.

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Was William Regal ever face?

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Man I don't even remember the deal with Eugene.

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Dibiase was supposed to be face in the legacy breakup, yes, but people started going nuts for Orton, Orton ended up turning face instead

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Rhodes and Miz debuted as faces

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I know I'm not saying anything that's not obvious, but WWE needs to figure out what they're doing with the women's division. They're clearly not striving to fill it with the top female talents in wrestling considering they hire almost nothing but models with no ring experience, but with this being the PG era, they don't actually have the models do anything you'd typically use eye candy for in wrestling. Even worse, they don't even seem to know how to write PG rated diva angles. They literally act like immature teen girls. It's terribly annoying and makes me wish they'd just go away or maybe get their own web show like NXT so they stop appearing on Raw and Smackdown.

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They literally act like immature teen girls

lol get it they call her PIGGIE JAMES because she's fat

and by fat I mean of perfectly average weight for someone her height

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And yet somehow the women's storylines manage to be less bad than TNA's.

But yeah, they really should shift over to something more wrestling focused, I agree. I thought they were doing that earlier this year but then Kharma got pregnant and Beth/Natalya started being losers I'm just saying it could be worse.

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And yet somehow the women's storylines manage to be less bad than TNA's.

This is just completely and totally untrue. Although TNA's womens division is close to at an all-time low, it's still far superior to WWE's.

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TNA's women's division was awesome a little over a year ago (or was it two?) to the point where they'd steal the show sometimes but now it's just dreadful. Give me juvenile angles involving models that can't wrestle over Karen "change the channel because of my voice but I get a 10 minute promo anyway" Jarrett and 10 minutes of women on women brawls where they shout "SKANK" at each other repeatedly.

Also they insist on blowing a quarter of every show on it which makes it worse. I suppose their talent in ring is a bit better, but emphasis on a bit these days with most of their talent gone and replaced with the likes of Tessmacher and Traci.

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and 10 minutes of women on women brawls where they shout "SKANK" at each other repeatedly.

Pretty sure these are actual legit shoots.

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From: ZaziGuado | #071
these following mid-to-high card guys have never been face:

Cody Rhodes

cody was face when he first debuted and feuded with orton and teamed with hardcore holly

he wasn't very good, but i think he's improved enough since then that he could do it

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Was Smackdown tonight worth watching at all?

Missed it earlier and I'm kind of feeling like just skipping the replay unless it was something amazing

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and yeah there's something to think about when talking about how good of a heel cody is and how he has had a natural progression to what he is today

he turned heel by turning on bob holly

XD

not exactly an all-time great when you look back on amazing turn moments like bret/austin WM13 or the montreal screwjob

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Man, ZTLIS had a match hype promo that is guaranteed to he 100x better than the actual one WWE uses.

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Cody Rhodes - Forgetting that he already was one and terrible, no. His normal voice is too boring, and his deranged voice... well, maybe in a Randy Orton-esque face. I don't see the guy having the vocal talent to do much else and he certainly doesn't look very likable.
Alberto Del Rio - Yes as I said earlier in the topic he's practically more of a face than a heel already aside from his cheap heat gimmick and token post match beatdowns.
Wade Barrett - Not seeing it. Can this guy even smile?
The Miz - People say he can do it but I'm not convinced. He's just too obnoxious (by nature-- this guy is from The Real World) and has that douche face you want to punch. Then again Slater, king of punch-me, started as a face so who knows.
Dolph Ziggler - If he turned on Vickie right now and started feuding with other people he'd already be one. Just needs a CATCHPHRASE~ or two.
Jack Swagger (though he's bordering on jobber level right now, he's at least on television consistently) - Agree with Sytha that he'd be a lot better as one and that the Cole/King thing should've been used on him.

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Hashtag-heel is a great catchphrase and would totally work for a face in the way that Austin acting like a heel made him a face.

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I've always figured that they're holding out for a terrorist attack or something so that Swagger will become face-by-default like Angle did for awhile.

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Any catchphrase involving twitter isn't something I want a part of.

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From: SmartMuffin | Posted: 12/16/2011 11:56:39 PM | #091
Man, ZTLIS had a match hype promo that is guaranteed to he 100x better than the actual one WWE uses.

Well something is almost always better than nothing! Think they are really going to make a match hype promo?
And hashtag heel sounds good, but what if WWE starts to realize that twitter is not in fact magic and stops mentioning it?

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I can see Dolph doing promos in ring with someone and to wrap up what he has to say he just goes "And if you got something to say to that then all you have to do is HASHTAG" and he holds the mic out for everyone to say heel

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Rosa Mendes is stunning for an immature teen girl

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How can we forget how over Cody Rhodes was as a face?



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From: PrivateBiscuit1 | #099
How can we forget how over Cody Rhodes was as a face?

to be fair, he could have been over as hell if he had turned on randy at the proper time

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