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(3) Time Trapper Prime From DC Comics, the Time Trapper is one of the most vicious foes the Legion of Superheroes have ever faced. This incarnation of him is Superman Prime, a Superman with the powers exhibited by his main-universe Silver Age counterpart. Coupled to his overwhelming physical and mental might, his powers as the Time Trapper (Which include time-travel; Freezing and altering time; Sending beings across a timeline or aging/de-aging them, as well as turning them into protoplasmic slime; Slicing fractions of time out of the time stream to make his own pocket universes, equal in size to the real cosmos and warping the timestream to connect this pocket universe to any point in time he desires; And last but not least, creating barriers that prevent time travel), makes him into a calamitous force that required the combined efforts of several multiverses of heroes to defeat. Time Trapper Prime also possesses various other powers like levitation, size manipulation, telekinesis, telepathy and teleportation.
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(5) Dark Schneider From Bastard!!, Dark Schneider is a powerful wizard. He is confident, cunning and arrogant (to the point of allowing opponents to hit him with their best attacks before annihilating them), and has access to a vast arsenal of powers.
Among his many attacks, some of the most remarkable ones are: Black Sabbath, which strikes the target with magical heat clocking in at millions of Celsius degrees, before transporting the target to another dimension; Dispelbound, which erases magical protections surrounding a target (but tends to fizzle when matched against someone whose magical might exceeds Dark Schneider's own powers); Bloodstone, which returns all the damage he suffers to his attacker; Giran Ira, which creates a micro-black hole that distorts space and allows for dimensional leaps, as well as possessing enough destructive potential to destroy a whole country; And All Guns Blazing, an attack that unleashes blasts of magic power, using all elements. Additionally, Dark Schneider possesses Eternal Atoms, which allow him to recover from all attacks, unless the wards that protect them are completely dismantled. Each of these wards is said to be able to absorb the brunt of a concentrated discharge of atomic energy for one hour before dissipating, and always cancels the attack which broke it, preventing any leftover force from affecting other wards.
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Superboy Prime literally reality warps through muscle power and has timehax, but Darsh is Darsh. Really tough match here.
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For the record, I am unsure about Darsh having the power to kill TTP. The best he does is unraveling parts of the universe at a time IIRC...and TTP has tanked better stuff.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | #005 Has Darsh gotten anything new since the last time he was up?
There's stuff in his writeup. He had a new form IIRC. Or two.
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From: JeffreyRaze | #007 Um... What stops this from becoming TTP vs a baby?
Darsh has protection against time manipulation IIRC. This doesn't stop TTP from using it in other ways though. He might be able to kill Darsh's ancestors instead.
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Errr.... Prime is on a convincingly higher level of power from what I know. On most sites (battledome, cbr, KMC), Darsh is considered Skyfather level which Prime and Monarch dwarf to insane extents. It's kinda tough to visualize what either party would do to each other, but there's really no way Darsh is harming a being like Prime, given that he survived a universe-busting attack before becoming the Time Trapper.
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From: JeffreyRaze | #011 Right, TTP vs a baby ancestor of Darsh.
Though if he's immune to time stream shifts that's a whole other story.
This might or might not count as TTP ringing himself out BTW. I think it's feasible but some people disagree.
Also, by the way, Host Note: Several of Darsh's abilities in his writeup are from different forms. Dispelbound comes from his Majin form (the one in the pic IIRC), Giran Ira, Bloodstone and All Guns Blazing come from his Dragonmech form, and his universe shattering attacks come from his Adam of Darkness form. Since I haven't read Bastard!! yet, I don't know if they carry over but DO keep this in mind.
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From: BlackMetalex | #010 hm. How fast and how durable is Darsh?
Massively FTL and Eternal Atoms means you have to attack him, at a minimum, a couple thousand times at once or he brings the barriers up. He has to be killed in the Astral, Physical, and Spiritual realm to die.
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Darsh. As I said back in the Custer matchup, Time Trapper Prime really isn't even as impressive as garden variety Superboy Prime. He trades in SBP's brutal beating things to death for monologuing, throwing some TK beams around and tossing rocks
Looking at his Wikipedia article, it actually says that he can't use his time powers on anything in the present, only in different times. Which would explain a lot
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Form-by form abilities of Darsh, except for Adam of Darkness because I've found sweet **** all on it:
Basic:
- Anselm: A spell that attacks the most vulnerable parts of the body.
- Black Sabbath: A localized, magical nuke. The target is caught in a spellbound, falls victim to a blast reaching many millions of degrees Celsius, and is then sent into another dimension. Without control, it's a spell that could potentially destroy the world.
- Crow Bar: A high level sealing spell. Imprisons a demon into a magical prison made of thirteen layers. If the demon tries to escape, its soul can be destroyed.
- Darkain: Fires a large beam of dark matter. It can easily destroy high level demons.
- Eternal Atoms: Reconstruction ability on the atomic level. In order to completely kill someone with Eternal atoms you have to be able to destroy them on a physical, spiritual and astral level.
- Exodus: Surrounds DS with 20,000° Celcius flames, turning him into a human torch. He then throws himself against his opponent. Melted the Ice of Cocytus.
- Hed Zepperion: A large spellbound surrounds the target. DS then summons starving souls from Hell inside the magical sphere. The souls devour everything inside the spellbound, only leaving once there's nothing left
- Helloween: DS fires a gigantic beam of energy from his palm. The blast only lasts a few seconds but during that time span it can kill millions of men. The energy output is said to reach 10MeV.
- Illusion: Creates an illusion, generally a double of the user's body. The most powerful users can delude the target into thinking he/she is dreaming.
- Judas Priest: Destroys the eternal atoms of the user (attacks atoms on physical, astral and spiritual level), not only matter but also spiritual and ethereal bodies. It's basically a soul destroying attack erasing the target from existence.
- Regeneration: Early on he could regenerate lost limbs, even his heart. Later on he could regenerate from a head.
- Venom: Summons bacteria from the deepest circles of Hell, surrounding the target and immediately destroying him at the cellular level.
Majin Dark Schneider:
-Dispelbound: Dispelling spell.
-Is in excruciating pain while in this form. By excruciating, this means enough to kill him several times over (but he doesn't die).
-Abilities from six demon kings including spells.
Dragonmech, Dragon Knight Lucifer:
- Demolitioner Gun: Two large cannons which emit a blast powerful enough to cancel out the Gungnir of Uriel's Augoeides (Note Uriel in base who even before his increase in power could destroy a star with it, in his current form it's much much stronger).
- Bloodstone: Creates a cursed space. All damage that D.S takes, his opponent suffers with the same intensity. Worked on an opponent who prior to a 130x power up was a galactic threat. - Spell Unpacker: Allows him to use the various spells that have been packed inside the DKL such as exodus and Giran Ira.
- Giran Ira: A micro black hole which was used to counter Gaia's Judgement an attack well above planetary, this could be used for dimensional leap and space distortion but it would cause an entire country to vanish as a result.
- Hell raiser+Light wings+Jawbreaker: Uses this to give the DKL flight. The Jawbreaker allows for dimensional separation for a tenth of a second which also broke through the storm of negative space which was sucking up air, heat, light and space.
- Loudness All Guns Blazing: a powerful attack using all magical elements i.e fire, water, earth, wind, light, and darkness, holy magic, spiritual magic and undead magic. Powerful enough to shatter the shatter the Dark Augoeide’s of a fallen Seraphim's Dispel Bound and severely wound it.
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From: JeffreyRaze | #016 How would it be ringing himself out? He's still on the offensive, which is the most important thing IMO.
Regardless, Time Trapper Prime
Beats me. The argument that took place around dimensionhopping was super dumb and I still think people saying dimensionhopping is a ringout are crazy. But hey, I can't ban that interp unless it's based on fanboy logic and not a consistent philosophy that can be explained and defended adequately.
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I thought DS was supposed to be immune to reality warping or something? I swear I remember some power along those lines.
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yeah, darsh's real issue is taking down prime seeing how even a point blank universe destroying blast didn't kill him when he was still superboy prime, and time trapper's aged plenty, with him being enough to the point where that would be a hell of a lot more dealable, as evidenced by him pretty much being knocked out for not even a minute despite an infinite number of legion members attacking him at the same time, including some supermen ripoffs and the like. other hand, dispel bound is a b****. not really like the two can do a whole lot to each other, but prime's just plain got better parameters at everything - especially durability - and even treats magic like a joke to boot. time trapper powers can give the edge to prime to break the stalemate there. then again not sure if he'd even need 'em. darsh killing prime is... just plain hard to see. lacks the output.
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dispel bound can be modified to have an anti-reality warping thing there yeah. that's really the bulk of darsh's powers - he's a pain in the ass to kill and has some pretty high level stuff to wear you down too. prime just is above anything he's got and has taken much worse.
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From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #021 I thought DS was supposed to be immune to reality warping or something? I swear I remember some power along those lines.
Yes, that's a passive part of Dispelbound. I don't place any stock in it though - it's Immovable Object all over again, and I always side with the Unstoppable Force in those debates, particularly because the immunity is localized - get creative enough and Darsh would still end up screwed by it IIRC, unlike what happens with Battler's magic immunity.
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From: Silencer S | #023 Dragonmech is his fusion with the Dragon Knight right? I believe that's his strongest form.
Adam of Darkness is beefier I think, it's just that I don't know its feats.
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dispel bound doesn't have any passives. you might be thinking of the judas pains there. dispel bound is a shield for 'whatever it is that i can think of.'
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and... really the biggest issue for darsh comes down to 2 problems. the first being that prime's pretty much no sold magic plenty of times. the second that half his spells involve fire and extreme heat. far more likely to end up supercharging prime by accident. >__>;
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From: Silencer S | #027 KanzarisKelshen posted... Form-by form abilities of Darsh, except for Adam of Darkness because I've found sweet **** all on it:
I smell VS Battle wikia haha.
I actually used Factpile, Comicvine, Moviecodec (which has a hella amazing writeup for Darsh actually, let me find it) and such for my info needs. I just find them to be better.
This is why he is the so-far undefeated MPFC champion. I still like Prime here though.
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From: Wanglicious | #029 dispel bound doesn't have any passives. you might be thinking of the judas pains there. dispel bound is a shield for 'whatever it is that i can think of.'
Could be. The info on Darsh is mostly incoherent on Dispelbound - I've seen six different interps on it and all of them were backed by scans so IDGAF on how ir works exactly, just that it does.
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I will see if I can find scans of his time as Time Trapper tomorrow. Right now I'm hitting the hay, so continue this (lack of) discussion in my absence, gents.
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Sounds like it's basically a stalemate for a while until Prime eventually starts trying weird things out of boredom and eventually does something crazy like create a time portal in front of Darsh three weeks ago that sends him to an alternate universe consisting entirely of attractive female nymphomaniacs and causes Darsh to not show up for the match because he's busy having sex. Prime can't really directly harm Darsh and Darsh can't harm Prime so the edge goes to the guy who is overall more powerful and at least has the vague theoretical possibility of scoring something resembling a victory.
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By the way, funny thing: If TTP wins he will have to fight a tough fight against New Sun due to personality. If Darsh wins he trolls away to the fourth round or later because New Sun can't kill him but can go down. Whatever the result of this match we're gonna see a fun Round 3 matchup.
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TTP monologues and New Sun is a reality warper that doesn't use fifth dimension BS. Darsh's Eternal Atoms let him tank anything New Sun can throw at him, but Prime doesn't have 'I resist X number of attacks no matter what' defenses.
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Sounds like it's basically a stalemate for a while until Prime eventually starts trying weird things out of boredom and eventually does something crazy like create a time portal in front of Darsh three weeks ago that sends him to an alternate universe consisting entirely of attractive female nymphomaniacs and causes Darsh to not show up for the match because he's busy having sex. Prime can't really directly harm Darsh and Darsh can't harm Prime so the edge goes to the guy who is overall more powerful and at least has the vague theoretical possibility of scoring something resembling a victory.
Sounds convincing to me, both of these guys have some pretty insane output, but even more ridiculous durability Prime seems like he has more tricks to break a stalemate. Prime
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