D. Schneider [MPFC]

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DeathChicken 10/19/11 1:46:00 PM #101:	Also, I notice you left off the scans directly before that, where TTP monologues at them for like three pages before he finally bothers with his TK attack. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455207] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Also, I notice you left off the scans directly before that, where TTP monologues at them for like three pages before he finally bothers with his TK attack. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 10/19/11 1:48:00 PM #102:	To be fair my Monologues soloed people in Mercs. -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying <cite>Achromatic posted [p:455208] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> To be fair my Monologues soloed people in Mercs. -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LlednarTwem 10/19/11 1:48:00 PM #103:	The problem is, the debate about Prime at the moment just brings it back to a stalemate. There still hasn't been an argument as to how Darsh is going to hurt Prime. -- Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega! <cite>LlednarTwem posted [p:455209] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> The problem is, the debate about Prime at the moment just brings it back to a stalemate. There still hasn't been an argument as to how Darsh is going to hurt Prime. -- Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 1:48:00 PM #104:	From: Achromatic \| #100 That's the very definition of TK and rocks. Also Darsh has a shield for everything I do believe. He's kind of a dick like that. Yes...which does nothing because Prime can't be hurt anyway and in fact Darsh might end up empowering him so much he'll be able to take his Kryptonian Muscle to the next level. This match is the very definition of 'draw match'. None of the two contestants can hurt the other, but Prime has a bigger toolbox. I don't see any possible way to argue in favor of Darsh when: A) Most of his better spells can empower Prime (imagine a Dragonmech-boosted Black Sabbath hitting Prime. Can you say 'magnaversal threat'?). B) He doesn't have any tools to actually do anything to get around Prime's tankiness, far as I can tell...while Prime might be able to do something with timehax. So yeah, Prime. There aren't any credible arguments in Darsh's favor so far. He just can't hurt his enemy and can't do anything but beat him up while he gets his smugface on. Prime at least has options. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455210] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: Achromatic \| #100That's the very definition of TK and rocks. Also Darsh has a shield for everything I do believe. He's kind of a dick like that.Yes...which does nothing because Prime can't be hurt anyway and in fact Darsh might end up empowering him so much he'll be able to take his Kryptonian Muscle to the next level. This match is the very definition of 'draw match'. None of the two contestants can hurt the other, but Prime has a bigger toolbox. I don't see any possible way to argue in favor of Darsh when:A) Most of his better spells can empower Prime (imagine a Dragonmech-boosted Black Sabbath hitting Prime. Can you say 'magnaversal threat'?).B) He doesn't have any tools to actually do anything to get around Prime's tankiness, far as I can tell...while Prime might be able to do something with timehax.So yeah, Prime. There aren't any credible arguments in Darsh's favor so far. He just can't hurt his enemy and can't do anything but beat him up while he gets his smugface on. Prime at least has options. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 1:49:00 PM #105:	From: DeathChicken \| #101 Also, I notice you left off the scans directly before that, where TTP monologues at them for like three pages before he finally bothers with his TK attack. Which matters...how? This isn't about Prime's personality, purely his access to his Time Trapper powers. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455211] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: DeathChicken \| #101Also, I notice you left off the scans directly before that, where TTP monologues at them for like three pages before he finally bothers with his TK attack.Which matters...how? This isn't about Prime's personality, purely his access to his Time Trapper powers. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 10/19/11 1:50:00 PM #106:	You keep saying "Prime might be able to do something with timehax" but Darsh is literally protected against Timehax. Why do you keep saying that? -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying <cite>Achromatic posted [p:455212] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> You keep saying "Prime might be able to do something with timehax" but Darsh is literally protected against Timehax. Why do you keep saying that? -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/19/11 1:50:00 PM #107:	Of which a big energy blast thing isn't quite 'Timehax' -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455213] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Of which a big energy blast thing isn't quite 'Timehax' -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 1:52:00 PM #108:	From: Achromatic \| #106 You keep saying "Prime might be able to do something with timehax" but Darsh is literally protected against Timehax. Why do you keep saying that? Because Darsh's immunity is local. It isn't a perfect immunity unless I missed something (in which case, I want scans refuting this point please). It protects him and maybe those directly linked to him, not his reality. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455214] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: Achromatic \| #106You keep saying "Prime might be able to do something with timehax" but Darsh is literally protected against Timehax. Why do you keep saying that?Because Darsh's immunity is local. It isn't a perfect immunity unless I missed something (in which case, I want scans refuting this point please). It protects him and maybe those directly linked to him, not his reality. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 1:53:00 PM #109:	From: DeathChicken \| #107 Of which a big energy blast thing isn't quite 'Timehax' Oh, so you want to argue that was a basic ability of his Prime toolkit? Cool beans. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455215] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: DeathChicken \| #107Of which a big energy blast thing isn't quite 'Timehax'Oh, so you want to argue that was a basic ability of his Prime toolkit? Cool beans. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 10/19/11 1:54:00 PM #110:	From: KanzarisKelshen \| #108 Because Darsh's immunity is local. It isn't a perfect immunity unless I missed something (in which case, I want scans refuting this point please). It protects him and maybe those directly linked to him, not his reality. Uh, I know he literally has immunity from being taken out of existence, Kanz. There's really no loophole there. -- http://img.imgcake.com/Chris2pngas.png <cite>Achromatic posted [p:455216] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: KanzarisKelshen \| #108Because Darsh's immunity is local. It isn't a perfect immunity unless I missed something (in which case, I want scans refuting this point please). It protects him and maybe those directly linked to him, not his reality.Uh, I know he literally has immunity from being taken out of existence, Kanz. There's really no loophole there. -- http://img.imgcake.com/Chris2pngas.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/19/11 1:56:00 PM #111:	It's TK and rocks. Whichever toolkit it's in is irrelevant, since he isn't hurting Darsh with that crap in a million years. It's also the only power of note he displays in that entire fight. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455217] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> It's TK and rocks. Whichever toolkit it's in is irrelevant, since he isn't hurting Darsh with that crap in a million years.It's also the only power of note he displays in that entire fight. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 1:56:00 PM #112:	From: Achromatic \| #110 Uh, I know he literally has immunity from being taken out of existence, Kanz. There's really no loophole there. How did he get pulled into the pocket world then? -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455218] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: Achromatic \| #110Uh, I know he literally has immunity from being taken out of existence, Kanz. There's really no loophole there.How did he get pulled into the pocket world then? -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 10/19/11 1:58:00 PM #113:	...I think we have two different definitions of existence. -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying <cite>Achromatic posted [p:455219] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> ...I think we have two different definitions of existence. -- "intention doesn't matter? clearly your cashier degree did not require a law course." - ND to Joyrock on the legality of drinking a soda before paying </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LlednarTwem 10/19/11 2:00:00 PM #114:	Could you post a scan? For those of us who haven't read either source material and are relying on this topic. It sounds to me like Kan is saying Darsh has protection from someone trying to reality warp him directly, but hasn't been shown to have the same protection from say, someone ignoring him and messing with his ancestors. I'm also still wondering how Darsh is going to actually win. I can see where everyone is coming from when they say he can block most or all of what Prime has, but I don't think anyone has mentioned how he'd hurt prime back? -- Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega! <cite>LlednarTwem posted [p:455220] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Could you post a scan? For those of us who haven't read either source material and are relying on this topic. It sounds to me like Kan is saying Darsh has protection from someone trying to reality warp him directly, but hasn't been shown to have the same protection from say, someone ignoring him and messing with his ancestors.I'm also still wondering how Darsh is going to actually win. I can see where everyone is coming from when they say he can block most or all of what Prime has, but I don't think anyone has mentioned how he'd hurt prime back? -- Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:00:00 PM #115:	From: Achromatic \| #113 ...I think we have two different definitions of existence. Two different definitions of immunity, rather. Time Trapper Prime's got the ability to relocate people through time and space. The very first set of scans I posted shows you how he pulls Superboy Prime one timeline to another, at a different era and spot. Darsh has been sucked into a different dimension before. So, what stops Prime from chucking Darsh into a different dimension? hat would take him out of existence for the purpose of this fight - if you can't return to the fight you're rung out and Darsh doesn't have a teleport that goes that far. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455221] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: Achromatic \| #113...I think we have two different definitions of existence.Two different definitions of immunity, rather. Time Trapper Prime's got the ability to relocate people through time and space. The very first set of scans I posted shows you how he pulls Superboy Prime one timeline to another, at a different era and spot. Darsh has been sucked into a different dimension before. So, what stops Prime from chucking Darsh into a different dimension? hat would take him out of existence for the purpose of this fight - if you can't return to the fight you're rung out and Darsh doesn't have a teleport that goes that far. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:01:00 PM #116:	From: LlednarTwem \| #114 Could you post a scan? For those of us who haven't read either source material and are relying on this topic. It sounds to me like Kan is saying Darsh has protection from someone trying to reality warp him directly, but hasn't been shown to have the same protection from say, someone ignoring him and messing with his ancestors. I'm also still wondering how Darsh is going to actually win. I can see where everyone is coming from when they say he can block most or all of what Prime has, but I don't think anyone has mentioned how he'd hurt prime back? I was actually thinking about simply nuking the universe so that life can't prosper within it! That might work too, though. So that makes for three potential ways for Prime to take Darsh out, pending Chris' rebuttal. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455222] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: LlednarTwem \| #114Could you post a scan? For those of us who haven't read either source material and are relying on this topic. It sounds to me like Kan is saying Darsh has protection from someone trying to reality warp him directly, but hasn't been shown to have the same protection from say, someone ignoring him and messing with his ancestors.I'm also still wondering how Darsh is going to actually win. I can see where everyone is coming from when they say he can block most or all of what Prime has, but I don't think anyone has mentioned how he'd hurt prime back?I was actually thinking about simply nuking the universe so that life can't prosper within it! That might work too, though. So that makes for three potential ways for Prime to take Darsh out, pending Chris' rebuttal. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 10/19/11 2:01:00 PM #117:	Darsh -- http://img.imgcake.com/KommunistKoala/koalajpgehsa.jpg http://img.imgcake.com/KKpngat.png <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:455223] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Darsh -- http://img.imgcake.com/KommunistKoala/koalajpgehsa.jpghttp://img.imgcake.com/KKpngat.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/19/11 2:03:00 PM #118:	Probably the fact that he never does his time chucking bit unless he's already safely on another plane of time from his victim. Any other fight he was in where he had the opportunity, he didn't. Could have done it against Supes. Nope. Could have done it against the Legion (which would have made sense, if he wanted Supes to himself in order to hurt him). Nope. Could have done it to Prime, when Prime was yelling about how he was going to punch his face off. Nope. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455224] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Probably the fact that he never does his time chucking bit unless he's already safely on another plane of time from his victim. Any other fight he was in where he had the opportunity, he didn't. Could have done it against Supes. Nope. Could have done it against the Legion (which would have made sense, if he wanted Supes to himself in order to hurt him). Nope. Could have done it to Prime, when Prime was yelling about how he was going to punch his face off. Nope. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:05:00 PM #119:	From: DeathChicken \| #118 Probably the fact that he never does his time chucking bit unless he's already safely on another plane of time from his victim. Any other fight he was in where he had the opportunity, he didn't. Could have done it against Supes. Nope. Could have done it against the Legion (which would have made sense, if he wanted Supes to himself in order to hurt him). Nope. Could have done it to Prime, when Prime was yelling about how he was going to punch his face off. Nope. He could have also exterminated the Legion since before its inception but never did. Care to guess why? (Hint, it's called Bad Writing!) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455225] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: DeathChicken \| #118Probably the fact that he never does his time chucking bit unless he's already safely on another plane of time from his victim. Any other fight he was in where he had the opportunity, he didn't. Could have done it against Supes. Nope. Could have done it against the Legion (which would have made sense, if he wanted Supes to himself in order to hurt him). Nope. Could have done it to Prime, when Prime was yelling about how he was going to punch his face off. Nope.He could have also exterminated the Legion since before its inception but never did. Care to guess why?(Hint, it's called Bad Writing!) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/19/11 2:06:00 PM #120:	Regardless, you're still trying to attribute powers and tactics to TTP that he never shows during this story. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455226] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Regardless, you're still trying to attribute powers and tactics to TTP that he never shows during this story. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mmg86 10/19/11 2:09:00 PM #121:	Uuuhhh... i read trough this topic and saw people saying that Dark Schneider does not have anything that can hurt Time Trapper Prime... granted, i have never read Bastard, but i did read the description of his powerset in the first page, so... Bloodstone. Thats all. Im not sure how it works, but if it bounces attacks, it will harm TTP if he is capable of hurting himself. And if it replicates any damage he suffers on the attacker, then it grants him the victory if he uses it while in bad shape (assuming TTP does not have regeneration, i mean...) -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- <cite>mmg86 posted [p:455227] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Uuuhhh... i read trough this topic and saw people saying that Dark Schneider does not have anything that can hurt Time Trapper Prime... granted, i have never read Bastard, but i did read the description of his powerset in the first page, so...Bloodstone. Thats all. Im not sure how it works, but if it bounces attacks, it will harm TTP if he is capable of hurting himself. And if it replicates any damage he suffers on the attacker, then it grants him the victory if he uses it while in bad shape (assuming TTP does not have regeneration, i mean...) -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:09:00 PM #122:	From: DeathChicken \| #120 Regardless, you're still trying to attribute powers and tactics to TTP that he never shows during this story. Certainly can't be worse than the arguments for Darsh! I've tried to substantiate my vote with arguments (and I sincerely believe Prime can do this crap - he might have popped up in the pre-crisis Threeboot and done some of his time mojo, I don't know), and so far I've yet to hear a single one from Darsh supporters that isn't gobbledygook! -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455228] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: DeathChicken \| #120Regardless, you're still trying to attribute powers and tactics to TTP that he never shows during this story.Certainly can't be worse than the arguments for Darsh! I've tried to substantiate my vote with arguments (and I sincerely believe Prime can do this crap - he might have popped up in the pre-crisis Threeboot and done some of his time mojo, I don't know), and so far I've yet to hear a single one from Darsh supporters that isn't gobbledygook! -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:10:00 PM #123:	From: mmg86 \| #121 Uuuhhh... i read trough this topic and saw people saying that Dark Schneider does not have anything that can hurt Time Trapper Prime... granted, i have never read Bastard, but i did read the description of his powerset in the first page, so... Bloodstone. Thats all. Im not sure how it works, but if it bounces attacks, it will harm TTP if he is capable of hurting himself. And if it replicates any damage he suffers on the attacker, then it grants him the victory if he uses it while in bad shape (assuming TTP does not have regeneration, i mean...) Which...assumes TTP can hurt Darsh. Which he can't. So bloodstone is, you guessed it, worth jack **! (basically, if TTP can hurt Darsh, he's boned and will never get a chance to Bloodstone because it means he can rip through Eternal Atoms. If he can't...well, it never comes into play.) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455229] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: mmg86 \| #121Uuuhhh... i read trough this topic and saw people saying that Dark Schneider does not have anything that can hurt Time Trapper Prime... granted, i have never read Bastard, but i did read the description of his powerset in the first page, so...Bloodstone. Thats all. Im not sure how it works, but if it bounces attacks, it will harm TTP if he is capable of hurting himself. And if it replicates any damage he suffers on the attacker, then it grants him the victory if he uses it while in bad shape (assuming TTP does not have regeneration, i mean...)Which...assumes TTP can hurt Darsh. Which he can't. So bloodstone is, you guessed it, worth jack **!(basically, if TTP can hurt Darsh, he's boned and will never get a chance to Bloodstone because it means he can rip through Eternal Atoms. If he can't...well, it never comes into play.) -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mmg86 10/19/11 2:17:00 PM #124:	Im probably misinformed, but from what i have heard of Dark Schneider in several vs topics, i thought the Eternal Atoms are simply the core of his existence. Meaning that you can hurt him just fine in a number of ways. But if you cant destroy the Eternal Atoms, he does not die. Is my understanding of it completely wrong? -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- <cite>mmg86 posted [p:455230] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Im probably misinformed, but from what i have heard of Dark Schneider in several vs topics, i thought the Eternal Atoms are simply the core of his existence. Meaning that you can hurt him just fine in a number of ways. But if you cant destroy the Eternal Atoms, he does not die. Is my understanding of it completely wrong? -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:21:00 PM #125:	From: mmg86 \| #124 Im probably misinformed, but from what i have heard of Dark Schneider in several vs topics, i thought the Eternal Atoms are simply the core of his existence. Meaning that you can hurt him just fine in a number of ways. But if you cant destroy the Eternal Atoms, he does not die. Is my understanding of it completely wrong? Additionally, Dark Schneider possesses Eternal Atoms, which allow him to recover from all attacks, unless the wards that protect them are completely dismantled. Each of these wards is said to be able to absorb the brunt of a concentrated discharge of atomic energy for one hour before dissipating, and always cancels the attack which broke it, preventing any leftover force from affecting other wards. Bolded for emphasis. Until the wards are all popped nothing happens. And whaddya know...Darsh can repower those wards at will. THIS is why this battle is a total stalemate: Dark Schneider is nigh-impossible to kill because he has to be blitzed with thousands, if not millions of attacks before he can react, or he will re-lift the wards and the process will begin anew. Now, why is this a problem? Simple. Normally this ability is pretty spiffy, but Darsh can't hurt Time Trapper Prime. Like, at all. TTP has tanked universe-busting attacks, and the best Darsh has ever done is rip pieces of the universe apart. This is why neither can hurt each other...which means no Bloodstone. So it comes down to one of the characters winning without KOing the other one. Darsh doesn't have anything he can use to pull that off, according to the scan topic I posted before. Prime might be able to timewarp Darsh to a different dimension, however, which would ring him out. So, one of them has an improbable shot at victory. The other one has no hope of victory. Who's the better choice? -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455231] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: mmg86 \| #124Im probably misinformed, but from what i have heard of Dark Schneider in several vs topics, i thought the Eternal Atoms are simply the core of his existence. Meaning that you can hurt him just fine in a number of ways. But if you cant destroy the Eternal Atoms, he does not die. Is my understanding of it completely wrong?Additionally, Dark Schneider possesses Eternal Atoms, which allow him to recover from all attacks, unless the wards that protect them are completely dismantled. Each of these wards is said to be able to absorb the brunt of a concentrated discharge of atomic energy for one hour before dissipating, and always cancels the attack which broke it, preventing any leftover force from affecting other wards.Bolded for emphasis. Until the wards are all popped nothing happens. And whaddya know...Darsh can repower those wards at will. THIS is why this battle is a total stalemate: Dark Schneider is nigh-impossible to kill because he has to be blitzed with thousands, if not millions of attacks before he can react, or he will re-lift the wards and the process will begin anew. Now, why is this a problem? Simple. Normally this ability is pretty spiffy, but Darsh can't hurt Time Trapper Prime. Like, at all. TTP has tanked universe-busting attacks, and the best Darsh has ever done is rip pieces of the universe apart. This is why neither can hurt each other...which means no Bloodstone. So it comes down to one of the characters winning without KOing the other one. Darsh doesn't have anything he can use to pull that off, according to the scan topic I posted before. Prime might be able to timewarp Darsh to a different dimension, however, which would ring him out. So, one of them has an improbable shot at victory. The other one has no hope of victory. Who's the better choice? -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 10/19/11 2:31:00 PM #126:	Too bad TTP still never shows any ability to timewarp anyone in the same temporal zipcode as him. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:455232] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Too bad TTP still never shows any ability to timewarp anyone in the same temporal zipcode as him. -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mmg86 10/19/11 2:31:00 PM #127:	I see, thanks for the replies. You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Dark Schneider. One more question, arent the Eternal Atoms supposed to be hidden in other dimensions, rather than on his body or whatever? Thats something i have heard numerous times, but i have learned to not always trust that info (people on vs topics often make things up...) Oh, and just so you know, im not siding with either character. I just cant. As i said, i have never read Bastard!. And my knowledge of Time Trapper is scant, since i have only read two stories with him (one of them being Zero Hour... where he did nothing but get his ass kicked) -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- <cite>mmg86 posted [p:455233] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> I see, thanks for the replies. You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Dark Schneider. One more question, arent the Eternal Atoms supposed to be hidden in other dimensions, rather than on his body or whatever? Thats something i have heard numerous times, but i have learned to not always trust that info (people on vs topics often make things up...)Oh, and just so you know, im not siding with either character. I just cant. As i said, i have never read Bastard!. And my knowledge of Time Trapper is scant, since i have only read two stories with him (one of them being Zero Hour... where he did nothing but get his ass kicked) -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:34:00 PM #128:	From: mmg86 \| #127 I see, thanks for the replies. You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Dark Schneider. One more question, arent the Eternal Atoms supposed to be hidden in other dimensions, rather than on his body or whatever? Thats something i have heard numerous times, but i have learned to not always trust that info (people on vs topics often make things up...) Oh, and just so you know, im not siding with either character. I just cant. As i said, i have never read Bastard!. And my knowledge of Time Trapper is scant, since i have only read two stories with him (one of them being Zero Hour... where he did nothing but get his ass kicked) I wouldn't know. All my knowledge of Darsh comes from researching. As a matter of fact, I've been doing nothing but catching up on both characters all day, since nobody was interested in stepping up to the plate with decent arguments and seeing gut votes with not even a single argument (not even a good one...just an argument. ANYTHING.) ticked me off. So sorry if I sounded ticked off. :-/ -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455234] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: mmg86 \| #127I see, thanks for the replies. You seem to be quite knowledgeable on Dark Schneider. One more question, arent the Eternal Atoms supposed to be hidden in other dimensions, rather than on his body or whatever? Thats something i have heard numerous times, but i have learned to not always trust that info (people on vs topics often make things up...)Oh, and just so you know, im not siding with either character. I just cant. As i said, i have never read Bastard!. And my knowledge of Time Trapper is scant, since i have only read two stories with him (one of them being Zero Hour... where he did nothing but get his ass kicked)I wouldn't know. All my knowledge of Darsh comes from researching. As a matter of fact, I've been doing nothing but catching up on both characters all day, since nobody was interested in stepping up to the plate with decent arguments and seeing gut votes with not even a single argument (not even a good one...just an argument. ANYTHING.) ticked me off. So sorry if I sounded ticked off. :-/ -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mmg86 10/19/11 2:44:00 PM #129:	No problem. Unrelated question: are you enjoying Chrono Cross? I... hated it. The whole game felt like pure hate towards Chrono Trigger, and of the forty-something characters, you can count the ones with any relevance in one hand... -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- <cite>mmg86 posted [p:455235] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> No problem. Unrelated question: are you enjoying Chrono Cross? I... hated it. The whole game felt like pure hate towards Chrono Trigger, and of the forty-something characters, you can count the ones with any relevance in one hand... -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 10/19/11 2:48:00 PM #130:	From: mmg86 \| #129 No problem. Unrelated question: are you enjoying Chrono Cross? I... hated it. The whole game felt like pure hate towards Chrono Trigger, and of the forty-something characters, you can count the ones with any relevance in one hand... This is probably my third playthrough over the years. I really enjoy it - partly because I don't consider it an insult to Chrono Trigger, considering it finishes the story and provides it with a happy ending that doesn't leave any plot threads hanging. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross. Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:455236] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> From: mmg86 \| #129No problem. Unrelated question: are you enjoying Chrono Cross? I... hated it. The whole game felt like pure hate towards Chrono Trigger, and of the forty-something characters, you can count the ones with any relevance in one hand...This is probably my third playthrough over the years. I really enjoy it - partly because I don't consider it an insult to Chrono Trigger, considering it finishes the story and provides it with a happy ending that doesn't leave any plot threads hanging. -- Currently playing: League of Legends, Chrono Cross.Current Projects: Fool's Overture, CYOA: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60143513 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mmg86 10/19/11 3:05:00 PM #131:	The thing that felt like an insult to Chrono Trigger was what happened to the whole cast... and the fact that time traveling was replaced with an alternate dimension... i guess i wanted more of the same. But well, even if i was unable to, others do enjoy CC... guess i just wasnt in the target audience for it or something. But there was something i liked about CC... the bonus boss. Give me Criosphinx any day rather than Level 99 Spekkio. Thanks for the conversation! -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- <cite>mmg86 posted [p:455237] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> The thing that felt like an insult to Chrono Trigger was what happened to the whole cast... and the fact that time traveling was replaced with an alternate dimension... i guess i wanted more of the same.But well, even if i was unable to, others do enjoy CC... guess i just wasnt in the target audience for it or something. But there was something i liked about CC... the bonus boss. Give me Criosphinx any day rather than Level 99 Spekkio.Thanks for the conversation! -- ---Behold the power of Egyptian technologyyy!!! Cold-seeking missiles! Said by Abdul while fighting Dio--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 10/19/11 4:25:00 PM #132:	here's a couple from the earlier issue there. outright told he made the multiple universes, that he attacked 'em head on before, but this kinda goes with the whole arc in general. all 3 universes of legion are creations of Prime, all to take out Supes. but really, by the way he says it there, probably are more that just... kinda died off. >_>; "some kind of virus", 'cept prime doesn't kill by a virus. time trapper however does know how to make blood like oil and eat your organs away. ergo, yes, he's used that power as well. effectively the main issue comes down to you just can't wipe supes out. you can't wipe his influence out, it's impossible set by the ultimate being in the multiverse in the first place (or rather, set by the incarnation of dc comics itself). so yes. he's going to do anything he can to mess with supes there. like say, time travel a pair of people he killed with his powers as time trapper, each from a different universe, then bring them to the past to dick with supes. so no, he most definitely uses other powers as well. just not against supes since supes is who he wants to destroy entirely. just not himself because that would be incredibly dumb (which his younger version has no problem being) and can cause a time paradox. now personally i actually can totally see prime beat darsh down there. each dispel bound shield only has one property to it, he's got multiple ways to attack, and it's not like he'd simply stop attacking. the limit of each one is that it takes attacks up to a nuke level blast and takes the leftovers. fine, but nothin' really stopping prime from just dealing continuous attacks. each one takes the 'full' one but there wouldn't really be an end to 'em. time powers, mass alteration, tk, portals, heat beam eyes, whatever he did to those people's bodies, and punching the hell out of it would all be plenty strong. pretty much anything he does would be nuke level in the first place and he'd just continuously plow through 'em. it took the full attack, fine, the next one's right there anyway. the only thing you'd actually do is end up irritating him and pissing him off which tends to get him even crazier. which prob happens anyway since darsh'd likely end up supercharging him. likewise on that end, bloodstone really isn't the end all spell to use either. one thing all supermen have in common, prime especially, is that they can take their own attacks easily enough. prime doesn't punch hard enough to destroy the universe, but he sure as hell can (and did) tank a blast of that level point blank as superboy (meaning, weaker). of course nobody's actually seen how the spell works but considering prime's got workarounds to it anyway with portals and the like, not that big a deal. in terms of regen... prime doesn't have it in the traditional sense, but you do see him heal extremely quickly. he doesn't regenerate organs and the like, but you certainly see him and other kryptonians at times look like nothing happened to them at all in extremely short periods of time. prime being the biggest oone to this, especially in sinestro corps when he went from beating down people, getting in trouble due to his at the moment issues of too much red sunlight exposure (doesn't exist here or by the time legion went down) and got beat down, then the sun came out and poof, healed. healed enough to beat down the best green lantern possible that was a superman-clone with the full power of the corps, followed by flying through a universe eating being made of anti-matter to chucking said being to the end of the universe and not looking like anything happened to him -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:455238] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> here's a couple from the earlier issue there. outright told he made the multiple universes, that he attacked 'em head on before, but this kinda goes with the whole arc in general. all 3 universes of legion are creations of Prime, all to take out Supes. but really, by the way he says it there, probably are more that just... kinda died off. >_>;"some kind of virus", 'cept prime doesn't kill by a virus. time trapper however does know how to make blood like oil and eat your organs away. ergo, yes, he's used that power as well.effectively the main issue comes down to you just can't wipe supes out. you can't wipe his influence out, it's impossible set by the ultimate being in the multiverse in the first place (or rather, set by the incarnation of dc comics itself). so yes. he's going to do anything he can to mess with supes there. like say, time travel a pair of people he killed with his powers as time trapper, each from a different universe, then bring them to the past to dick with supes. so no, he most definitely uses other powers as well. just not against supes since supes is who he wants to destroy entirely. just not himself because that would be incredibly dumb (which his younger version has no problem being) and can cause a time paradox. now personally i actually can totally see prime beat darsh down there. each dispel bound shield only has one property to it, he's got multiple ways to attack, and it's not like he'd simply stop attacking. the limit of each one is that it takes attacks up to a nuke level blast and takes the leftovers. fine, but nothin' really stopping prime from just dealing continuous attacks. each one takes the 'full' one but there wouldn't really be an end to 'em. time powers, mass alteration, tk, portals, heat beam eyes, whatever he did to those people's bodies, and punching the hell out of it would all be plenty strong. pretty much anything he does would be nuke level in the first place and he'd just continuously plow through 'em. it took the full attack, fine, the next one's right there anyway. the only thing you'd actually do is end up irritating him and pissing him off which tends to get him even crazier. which prob happens anyway since darsh'd likely end up supercharging him. likewise on that end, bloodstone really isn't the end all spell to use either. one thing all supermen have in common, prime especially, is that they can take their own attacks easily enough. prime doesn't punch hard enough to destroy the universe, but he sure as hell can (and did) tank a blast of that level point blank as superboy (meaning, weaker). of course nobody's actually seen how the spell works but considering prime's got workarounds to it anyway with portals and the like, not that big a deal. in terms of regen... prime doesn't have it in the traditional sense, but you do see him heal extremely quickly. he doesn't regenerate organs and the like, but you certainly see him and other kryptonians at times look like nothing happened to them at all in extremely short periods of time. prime being the biggest oone to this, especially in sinestro corps when he went from beating down people, getting in trouble due to his at the moment issues of too much red sunlight exposure (doesn't exist here or by the time legion went down) and got beat down, then the sun came out and poof, healed. healed enough to beat down the best green lantern possible that was a superman-clone with the full power of the corps, followed by flying through a universe eating being made of anti-matter to chucking said being to the end of the universe and not looking like anything happened to him -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... 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Wanglicious 10/19/11 8:31:00 PM #133:	and... really, not sure why the obvious durability feat mentioned every time doesn't have scans. so here y'go. for reference on those attacking him on panel, not sure who the first is. colossal boy is roughly as strong as your kryptonian types, somewhat comparable to superboy. ultra boy also is a superman clone. supergirl herself is kryptonian. one of them blasting looks like andromeda, which is another superman-clone type (people from daxam are all superman-clones basically). other 4 on panel there are probably all by that same level really. and there's multiple versions of them as well as others, including at least 4 other superman esqued beings in the pic with a bunch of 'em. others there somewhere on the page that also attack him obviously, though since it opened to the entire multiverse you have multiple versions of everyone, and a lot of 'em. pretty much nobody else has taken that much damage save for possibly a multiversal threat here and there which is pretty much what he was in powers and parameters in the first place. and despite that the best they could do was just knock him out. but there's also the rather famous feat of his doing superboy prime ripped the suit off. universe went byebye. point blank. that's pretty much the scene that STARTS the arc with time trapper as it's as result of that attack that he got portal'd through time here. and... as soon as he lands it's like nothing happened. both ways, the level of output to beat him is way, way above darsh. and half the stuff - especially the stuff he's prone to use - will effectively be like a mini sundip. former's still the more impressive one, latter's the easier one to understand. -- The future must protect the clone's past. "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:455239] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> and... really, not sure why the obvious durability feat mentioned every time doesn't have scans. so here y'go.for reference on those attacking him on panel, not sure who the first is. colossal boy is roughly as strong as your kryptonian types, somewhat comparable to superboy. ultra boy also is a superman clone. supergirl herself is kryptonian. one of them blasting looks like andromeda, which is another superman-clone type (people from daxam are all superman-clones basically). other 4 on panel there are probably all by that same level really. and there's multiple versions of them as well as others, including at least 4 other superman esqued beings in the pic with a bunch of 'em. others there somewhere on the page that also attack him obviously, though since it opened to the entire multiverse you have multiple versions of everyone, and a lot of 'em. pretty much nobody else has taken that much damage save for possibly a multiversal threat here and there which is pretty much what he was in powers and parameters in the first place. and despite that the best they could do was just knock him out. but there's also the rather famous feat of his doing superboy prime ripped the suit off. universe went byebye. point blank. that's pretty much the scene that STARTS the arc with time trapper as it's as result of that attack that he got portal'd through time here. and... as soon as he lands it's like nothing happened. both ways, the level of output to beat him is way, way above darsh. and half the stuff - especially the stuff he's prone to use - will effectively be like a mini sundip. former's still the more impressive one, latter's the easier one to understand. -- The future must protect the clone's past."Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Silencer S 10/19/11 9:40:00 PM #134:	Next match? -- *"Give him a fair trial. Then shoot him."* - Napoleon Bonaparte after the capture of Andreas Hofer <cite>Silencer S posted [p:455240] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Next match? -- "Give him a fair trial. Then shoot him." - Napoleon Bonaparte after the capture of Andreas Hofer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pirateking2000 10/19/11 9:41:00 PM #135:	Next match could potentially be interesting or another stomp depending on how it goes. -- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make ** up to cover their ass." - Hazama <cite>Pirateking2000 posted [p:455241] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> Next match could potentially be interesting or another stomp depending on how it goes. -- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make ** up to cover their ass." - Hazama </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pirateking2000 10/19/11 10:07:00 PM #136:	guess match will be posted later -- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make ** up to cover their ass." - Hazama <cite>Pirateking2000 posted [p:455242] in Most Power... [t:60696784]...</cite> <quote> guess match will be posted later -- XBL GT: Demon Ninja X2 "There comes a time in every man's or woman's life where they have to make ** up to cover their ass." - Hazama </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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