Board 8 > I finally got around to playing the retranslated FFT on the PSP

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It's mostly as good or better, despite the fun silliness of the original, but what the hell is Argath. "Algus" is a much better name, and that's not nostalgia or anything.

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Yeah some of the names are a bit sketchy. They got a major league obsession with cramming the letter "R" into everything.

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The PSP translation is much better, from what I've seen. They did make the names sound weird though. And the game is slow.

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Translation is a hell of a lot better. Argath and Barbanath are terrible though.

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FFT PSP disgusting abomination that disgraces the original

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Seriously, there's no possible excuse other than nostalgia for thinking that's not an improvement on "Blame yourself or God"

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Thats actually one of the best examples of the new dialogue being awful compared to the original.

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^ hahahah this exchange made me laugh

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new translation is leagues better than the original. lag sucks, though!

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LTM is a nostalgia whore, confirmed

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Don't be hatin' on ARGATH.

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I've played through FFT 2-3 times a year for 11 years, it's hardly nostalgia!

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The lag was overstated. I barely noticed it

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KimPilgrim posted...
FFT PSP disgusting abomination that disgraces the original

"Wiegraf, no! Don't open that!"
"This was the darkened items won't appear."
"I got a good feeling!"
Lune Knights
"Defeat Dycedarg's elder brother!"
Cellar of Sand Mouse
"Life is short... bury!"
Mogri
"This is actually a Magi-orb. It's called the Minu Orb because it contains the soul of the first Magician, Minu. It's also known as the Soul of Minu."
Wyuvle
Morbol
Longibunne Spear
Tree Yugodoracil
"Thing at Bed Desert"
"Douing Salvage"
"Friend of you."
Cloud: "Phirosoth"
Bart: "A man Bart"
High Priest Funeral
"The power of evil!"
"Whooooah...! They're just humans...!"
Ramza: "I didn't think the God made holy stones but...more evil... Well... Lucavi made them to hand in this world..."
Malak: "I guess it means whoever uses it will have to deal with the 'problem'..."

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the original is better for sure. wherever the old script is bad it's also hilarious, where the new one is just unpleasant to read!

That. I actually didn't like the Ye Olde English all that much either, but man, the original translation was a mess. It was a big time improvement over that

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The new translation is far from perfect, I agree. But it's never flat-out wrong in nigh-unfathomable ways even by the standards of that era.

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I'm kind of curious what the justification of the PSX purists is for why such drivel as I gathered from it is considered so utterly acceptable by comparison.

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ARGATH was misunderstood he was a great guy

everyone hated him but i wonder why

think about it for a moment and you will see

why ARGATH overcame catastrophe

he stood up for justice and nobility true

but then he was slain in his fertility

they say you can't hold a great man down

and so ARAGTH rose from the ground

a dark knight he would become

saying the words "i am come"

lucavi try to possess this great one

but he only responds "i ain't your hun"

look at this man this manly of men

and you will see the one made of win

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Groovy. I like the ARGATH part.

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I'm kind of curious what the justification of the PSX purists is for why such drivel as I gathered from it is considered so utterly acceptable by comparison.

because half of it is hilarious and the other half doesn't hurt to read!

OmarsComin posted...
I'm kind of curious what the justification of the PSX purists is for why such drivel as I gathered from it is considered so utterly acceptable by comparison.

because half of it is hilarious and the other half doesn't hurt to read!

Never hurt me! Now if you're going to tell that the bolded part of what I listed as examples (largely off of the top of my head) for the PSX translation doesn't hurt your head then I'm going to have to bow down and admit you're on a higher plane than anyone else on Board 8, because I'll be damned if that one doesn't strain my brain every time!

Unfortunately, as a side effect of your increased brainwaves you've lost the ability to read War of the Lions properly! Sad face! :(

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the bolded part hurt my brain back in the day. now it just makes me smile!

my issue with the PSP translation is that it seems like it was purposefully obscured to better mesh with the FFXII release. a lot of times I have to re-read it just to figure out what they're trying to say. it's wordy and bothersome.

the PSX translation is of course famously bad but at least it wasn't on purpose! and I'm willing to forgive a lot when you have such great lines as "rebels plotting rebellion" and "Then I guess we must fight! Eyaaaaargh!!" to your credit.

BlackMageJawa posted...
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Seriously, there's no possible excuse other than nostalgia for thinking that's not an improvement on "Blame yourself or God"

This is not an improvement at all. The original line is just fine. I don't think you could have picked a worse example for your argument.

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OmarsComin posted...
the bolded part hurt my brain back in the day. now it just makes me smile!

my issue with the PSP translation is that it seems like it was purposefully obscured to better mesh with the FFXII release. a lot of times I have to re-read it just to figure out what they're trying to say. it's wordy and bothersome.

the PSX translation is of course famously bad but at least it wasn't on purpose! and I'm willing to forgive a lot when you have such great lines as "rebels plotting rebellion" and "Then I guess we must fight! Eyaaaaargh!!" to your credit.

I guess I can see your point even if I wind up on the opposite end of the spectrum. And I've never meant to insinuate that I think Smith chose a fantastic style for the PSP version; it was obviously meant as a tie-in with FFXII but suffered from being about twice as pretentious as FFXII.

I honestly believe Smith got it just right with FFXII, come to think of it. There wasn't a single line in the game that made me groan but for a small handful of over-the-tops from a Judge or two.

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never would've guessed he was so talented

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Haha, amazing.

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Just posting to say that while the PSP translation is better on the whole, BlackMageJawa chose an awful example. "Blame yourself or God" is more direct, more powerful, and streamlines that painful "Olde Englishe" out of the dialogue, which is always nice.

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I hate Ye Olde English

I get pissed off just seeing the word "Tis"

War of the Lions is flat out intolerable to me. I couldn't even finish it!

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Anyone who thinks the original translation is better than the PSP one has got some serious nostalgia blinders on them. The original FFT probably had the worst translation in a popular game ever.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

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Well Argath is a pretty bad name compared to Algus

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

it was obviously meant as a tie-in with FFXII but suffered from being about twice as pretentious as FFXII.

yeah that pretty much. if they had just done a straight retranslation with the goal of being more accurate or readable I probably would've liked it!

Anyone who thinks the original translation is better than the PSP one has got some serious nostalgia blinders on them.

or hates fake old english? or likes humorously bad dialogue? or thinks that purposefully obscuring the language is a bad choice? or...

Humorously bad dialogue?

Are you trying to say translators should do that?

FFT PSP made plenty of sense, as far as its dialogue was concerned. Dunno how you'd have a harder time following it than the original. If you were more into FFT's story for the silly translation, though, I guess I can understand that!

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Humorously bad dialogue?

Are you trying to say translators should do that?

Nope. But given the results on the two attempts I'll take the first over the second.

FFT PSP made plenty of sense, as far as its dialogue was concerned. Dunno how you'd have a harder time following it than the original.

Most of the original translation made sense and was easy to follow. Awkward at times, but usually not difficult to understand. I guess the same is true for the PSP translation, but there's a fair amount of straight up grammatically incorrect stuff, and loads unnecessary flower to everything.

If you were more into FFT's story for the silly translation, though, I guess I can understand that!

whenever I play the game these days I usually skip through the dialogue as fast as it'll let me, so I guess it actually doesn't matter. but yeah I appreciate how silly the original is

for instance

Ramza: I am - forgive me. Your words do me far more honor than I have done you.
No doubt word has already reached you, but the marquis de Limberry's carriage
was waylaid, and the marquis taken. What have you a mind to do?

oh dear!

I see no problem with this!

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if that doesn't get you I suspect we shall never be one on this issue!

ARGATH

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I wouldn't guess so. I've always thought the original translation was pretty awful -- and not in an endearing way! FFT PSP translation isn't as well done as FFXII, which is probably the best overall localization of a game yet, but it was a big improvement in my mind.

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Outside of one or two of Dycedarg's Elder Brothers FFT's original translation is completely readable which is all a good translation needs really. It's mostly a matter of preference at that point-- whether you want some slightly awkward sounding lines or some ye olde English nonsense.

Lag is the killer, though. I noticed it at first and didn't think it was that bad. Then I swapped for the PS1 version and never went back, because yeah, it was.

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Nah, the original has some completely unreadable lines, and others that make no real sense. It's a poor effort all around, and by no real stretch could it ever been considered a 'good translation,' regardless of one's feelings about what they did with the PSP version. Lag is a killer, though - it was almost bad enough to make me want to avoid using skills. It's passable to some people, I guess, but the slowdown was brutal. Definitely the one bad mark on the PSP version. No reason they couldn't have spent some time working on that!

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I can't think of a single "unreadable" line

I can think of a few laughably bad ones but yeah

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they have a patch for the PSX version that changes it to the new translation if you're into that stuff

if not, aren't they supposed to release it on iphone some day? I assume that'll have the PSP translation and they can remove the slowdown

OmarsComin posted...
if that doesn't get you I suspect we shall never be one on this issue!

Is it just me or is this thread making everyone talk funny?

Wait, I mean: Methinks this mis-woven fiber hath asserted a strange influence over all that linger beneath the tapestry from whence it came.

I don't have a big problem with the lag and prefer the PSP's script, personally.

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