Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 21 - "Die first, then we'll talk."

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Biolizard28 posted...
Chinese art in general master race.

Hello my name is Karthas do you like my blob face?

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No, that's why I don't put your art in the pack, you silly skull head.

Also, is the proper way to build Teemo just AS, AS, and more AS?

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I've known people to play Teemo very successfully AP. *shrug*



So, Rammus.

Is it better to start off with a HoG or Aegis of the Legion?

Assuming you'll be building Atma's next.

The HoG would eventually become Randuin's omen. With Aegis, you would build a sunfire cape later. But I can't see getting both Sunfire and Randuin's.

Either way, you'd end up with about 250 total AD at level 18, while in defense curl. Worth it?

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Zhonya's is 200 gold cheaper?

Yesssssss.

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Rammus farms really poorly. You need the early HoG from personal experience.

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How can I best estimate my ELO?

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I finally got to try Leona.

Aside from really horrible AP ratios, I don't think she's that bad.

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From: HanOfTheNekos | #206
How can I best estimate my ELO?

Well, in ranked, 1200 + (wins - losses)*13 gives you a decent estimate. Though this gets pretty significantly offset based on whether you went on winning/losing streaks early.

Then again unranked probably starts somewhere different because players are presumably less experienced there? I dunno.

I guess I'd be interested too.

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Please change my (Adrian Midnite) champions to:

Ezreal, Lux, Galio, Teemo.

I build wriggle's (you need it to jungle) > boots > HoG OR HoG > boots on jungle rammus as a starter

The wriggle's is vital for controlling dragon and late game wards.

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Wukong's in the shop, costs 6300 IP, to absolutely no one's surprise.

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IhatethisCPU posted...
Wukong's in the shop, costs 6300 IP, to absolutely no one's surprise.

Haha

I honestly thought it might be 4800 since he has no new mechanics, but okay.

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I would not be surprised if there is never another champion below 975/6300.

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975/4800 still happens fairly often. Jarvan IV, Orianna, Rumble were all fairly recent.

3150 is once in a blue moon. Last one was Karma which was months ago, and the last before that I don't even remember. Leblanc, maybe?

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Lopen posted...
975/4800 still happens fairly often. Jarvan IV, Orianna, Rumble were all fairly recent.

3150 is once in a blue moon. Last one was Karma which was months ago, and the last before that I don't even remember. Leblanc, maybe?

They want people to get used to only 6300s. They don't even respond to threads about it on their forums.

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I've played a few matches as Olaf now.

Can anyone offer a few tips?

So I'm really digging Malzahar. Like, all of his spells are just so silly.

And I know full AP Leona is a terrible idea, but is it a good idea to grab Zhonya's/Abyssal Scepter anyway?

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they made tryndamere so boring to play. The crit damage was an aspect of the champion. now he's just a generic melee dps
ugh

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I was about to say that Wukong was priced that much to take advantage of the Chinese market then I remembered that QQ has entire control of Riot's stuff in China.

Also I was disappointed there was no giant stick smash but then his dance (?) has it growing so I'm happy

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Leona's fun. Her satellite death beam is awesome.

Too bad she's 6300. Not worth that.

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excellent I remain as board 8's butt monkey

I mean tank

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does anyone think wukong can jungle

My ELO must've taken a huge drop lately.

I solo queue'd and got put with a team full of people who couldn't do anything, against a team of people who were mostly terrible, except they had a Brand who could carry.

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Justin_Crossing posted...


We're doing this.

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OK, so after playing some Wukong, I've reached a conclusion: it's all on his W. To succeed at him you absolutely, POSITIVELY have to W at the right times, because it amplifies your tanking capabilities so much it might as well be Alistar's R you got there. I get the feeling his best build, when played perfectly, is super glassy pure AD with maybe a banshee's to block CC, but I'm afraid to try it out until I get really good at cloaking at the right times. I get the feeling this makes Wukong basically impossible to use in a high-tier game, but if Westrice can make Akali work Wukong is probably viable. Regardless, other things I noticed:

-He loves CDR. With two low-CD boosts at his disposal, particularly the Q that can be abused to keep a target PERMANENTLY debuffed of 30% of his armor, it makes him super scary and gives him some big damage.
-If you're building mana on him you're doing it wrong. You have to be spamming every single skill just as they go off-CD for two straight minutes to oom on Wukong, so manamune, while it looks tempting, is actually a super terrible buy. Sheen is probably also terrible in spite of his high base AD and the fact that he benefits from every Triforce bit - just way too much money spent on stuff that doesn't make Cyclone rock, and everything it does Ghostblade does better (speed? Yep. Chasing? Yep. Roids? Yep. Extra damage? Not quite, but close through ArPen).
-Speaking of which, Cyclone is your main damage. The rest is pretty much just atrezzo, really, the bigger brother of Judgement is what gets kills because at max level it's like tacking two bloodthirsters to your basic attacks and getting one free knockup per enemy. I'm undecided on whether it's best to just trust the bonus damage or complement it with some AD, but it really feels like 200 AD is the magic number before stacking more becomes questionable - at that point, you're pumping out a meaty 1.6k damage pre-mitigation, which is more or less a squishy's total base HP. Once the bug on shreds gets fixed, a combo of Q + brut + cyclone should hit the carry for basically true damage.
-Atma's feels "luxury core" on him. Wukong doesn't need THAT many resists, but a little defense goes a long way and Atma's ensures you can get some beef in case your W doesn't work out while still gaining damage. It also combines wonderfully with ghostblade to get you close to the magic number and give you a ton of extra damage through crits. I probably wouldn't build it as my first core item, but once I pin his core down, I know for sure what I'm rushing next unless the enemy team is all magic.

I'm still fumbling around looking for his core though - any ideas on what the best item to rush on him would be? Brut seems tempting, but I feel like it doesn't provide enough bang for the buck as the first item. Maybe it's just that it's not that flashy but remains a great choice, though.

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i take back the tryndamere comment earlier. he's pretty troll and hilarious to roll with solo top.

AP quints. amp tome and potion at start. Spam Q whenever you need health. have fun being nidalee 2.0. (that scales into mid/late game)

I tried this against a cho'gath and I had a 15 minute IE. He would devote all his time to autoattacking/harassing me but he couldn't outdamage my heals.

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why wouldn't standard tanky-dps work on him?

Tri-force/Mercs

Atmas/sunfire/Randuin
Spirit visage/banshees/FoN

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Silver, when I saw that amp tome I just went "wat".
But it was hilarious how after a teamfight you could heal yourself and I'd heal you too and you'd be up to over half your HP again in no time.

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Gwindor posted...
why wouldn't standard tanky-dps work on him?

Tri-force/Mercs

Atmas/sunfire/Randuin
Spirit visage/banshees/FoN

Because building standard tanky DPS on him is like building standard tanky DPS on Jax. Yes, you could do it, but why WOULD you do it when you've got such hax scaling and something that turns your defenses a value of infinity? Triforce doesn't benefit him as much as Ghostblade, Sunfire and Randuin's provide way too much armor and you could nab a mallet in their place for extra Atma's fun, etc. etc. etc. Some of those items are good, but not because of why you think they're good.

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So what's the verdict on Wukong? How powerful is he compared to others?

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building...him is like building...Jax.

Uh oh.

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you should build him like you should build the best olaf build imo

move 3 boots
atma's impaler
warmog's
warmog's
warmog's
warmog's

ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED

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So what's the verdict on Wukong? How powerful is he compared to others?

Seen him in about 10 games.

He hasn't been terribly useful in any of them.

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Gwindor posted...
building...him is like building...Jax.

Uh oh.

No, you don't build him exactly like Jax, you silly. What I mean is that you build far less resist-y than most other tanky deeps.

But yeah, Wukong is really damn solid - he just requires knowing when to go in, and, above all, when to W so you get a free Cyclone.

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so

d blade
boots
brutalizer
phage
w/e damage item you prefer
finish ghostblade
finish mallet
atmas

??

Heroic_CactObo posted...
so

d blade
boots
brutalizer
phage
w/e damage item you prefer
finish ghostblade
finish mallet
atmas

??

I'd say something like this:

Boots + pots
Brut
Visage
Finish Ionia Boots unless you really need mercs
Upgrade to Ghostblade when speedboost is necessary
Atmas/IE/Thirster/Cleaver
Mallet
Situational Item (built as the match develops, could be another one of the items I listed, a Banshee's, or whatever)

I still feel iffy about opening with Brut, but the rest seems solid to me. Visage is ALWAYS useful because it packages resists and CDR in a cheap package, even against a pure AD team, the big-ticket items let you hit the magic numbers and either rape with autos, hit TANKS for true damage, be infinitely sustainable, or scale with tank items, ghostblade is mega clutch, mallet lets you be 100% inescapable but is very much a luxury, and so on. Just need to find the perfect opener, really!

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I feel like Ionian boots are sub-optimal.

Ghostblade and SV are already giving you 25%, and Ionian boots are the most expensive CDR in the game. Meanwhile you're giving up the tenacity, which I assume a melee champ would want badly.

I understand that you want to hit that 40%, but I feel like you'd be better off switching out your MR/lvl blues for CDR/lvl. With sorcery, you'd get 36%.

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I'm also curious what you think about starting him off with wriggle's. Not exactly his cup of tea, but I don't have nearly enough IP yet to buy him and try things out myself =\

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Gwindor posted...
I feel like Ionian boots are sub-optimal.

Ghostblade and SV are already giving you 25%, and Ionian boots are the most expensive CDR in the game. Meanwhile you're giving up the tenacity, which I assume a melee champ would want badly.

I understand that you want to hit that 40%, but I feel like you'd be better off switching out your MR/lvl blues for CDR/lvl. With sorcery, you'd get 36%.

Tenacity is overrated. When you have a cloak that absorbs spells for you don't need it as much.

And no, the CDR on Ionia boots is not overpriced. That's like saying the CDR on brutalizer is overpriced, which is really moronic. Who cares if it costs more than Glacial Shroud's CDR? It's still bringing you closer and closer to that super nasty perma-armor debuff. The rest doesn't matter.

Also, I considered using CDR blues, but I feel like it's not worthwhile. 15+10+3+6 = 34% CDR (because mega lol at going into the utility tree on Wukong), which means there's still an appreciable lag between the CD and the debuff duration, and moreover it implies you're rushing ghostblade, which tends to gimp your output and/or defenses. Having a base 90 MR pre-items in a teamfight, meanwhile, is really damn good, as it frees you up to not get lots of defensive items just to avoid exploding. It just doesn't feel optimal to replace precious magres with CDR on a champion whose main fear is mages and AoE.

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Gwindor posted...
I'm also curious what you think about starting him off with wriggle's. Not exactly his cup of tea, but I don't have nearly enough IP yet to buy him and try things out myself =\

Wrigs is really weak on him. Sure, it makes you sustainable, but it just doesn't pay off to delay the ultra-powerful "and now I deal true damage to you until level 10, haha" effect of Brutalizer and that gorgeous CDR for some sustain and armor. If you need to replicate its effects I feel like an Atma's rush would be more effective, it's not like wukong folds hard to harass if you're playing him properly.

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clarity blues give 8%crd IIRC, and MR blues give 24, one less than mercs.

I guess I'm saying you could trade 7% CDR for the tenacity, all else being equal. And Mercs would get you the MR faster, if that's so important.

Also I never said anything was overpriced. What a strawman.

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You went on a tirade a while ago about Ionian Boots being overpriced. They're not because if an item has an 8k gold cost and an active whose effects is making you win, it's not overpriced. Same goes for the Lucid Boots, as the CDR is gloriously useful on a bunch of champs.

And yeah, CDR blues give 6% CDR. The usual 9/0/21 comes out to 15% CDR after all.

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ahh, I see. You were talking about flat CDR blue.

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New Monkey Build
Philo
HoG
Warmogs
Atmas
????
Profit

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That build is 100% ignorable until you're 7k in though. Open with Atma's then do the rest and it might work.

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Nah if they ignore me they all die lawl

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I think what Kan is going for is more of an early-game punch.

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Except that Monkey has an INSANE late game that if taken advantage of with 2 gold pers and high farm means you can pretty much just win the game outright.

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