From: KanzarisKelshen | #298 Lopen posted... From: KanzarisKelshen | #285 Oh, right, I forgot to mention this! Lopen, if you see this, Eve's ult heal got restored to its previous values! Rejoice! Magnificent!
Where's the source, though? It wasn't in the patch notes, and the post up there said they wanted to keep her extra nerfed till the remake.
Or are you talking about when she gets her remake they'll go back to that?
No, something glitched and she got her old heal back. It's unmarked because it was unintended. :P
Oh boo :(
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Pretty much the right response HGR. HoN is dying, and IIRC has less TOTAL users than LoL has active users during peak hours. This is just S2 desperately trying to keep it alive, and likely failing.
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HeroicGammaRay posted... oh okay i thought you were proclaiming lol dead i was like 'what'
Nah, LoL is on track to become the most played hardcore game (where hardcore is "more gamery than farmville") ever, possibly surpassing WoW if RIOT plays its cards right. The growth it's experienced is incredible, it would take super moronic management to topple it. No way is HoN's dying breath going to do much!
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The sad thing is that their monkey king is actually LESS interesting than ours, relatively speaking. Compared to their current roster he's a super vanilla ganker, while our Wukong is a blinktank, something we previously had none of. His mechanics look more interesting, but then you remember HoN follows the MvC3 balance approach and he looks much less impressive, like Hsien Ko or Ryu would.
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I probably exaggerated a bit, but yeah. Some heroes are just ridic OP and make prenerf Xin Zhao look like Twitch!
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That video showing off their Monkey King just doesn't look pretty. The in-game animations don't look very smooth or crisp at all, and honestly was rather ugly.
To offer another opinion on HoN: It's a fine game; you should give it a try now that it's F2P. I completely disagree with your suggestion that it follows the MVC3 balance approach, because even in my limited LoL experience I've found that to be the opposite. In my very first game of LoL, I played as a hero who could cast her nuke any and every time it was off of cool down without any regard for mana, and thought this was completely absurd. Then there's my personal favorite LoL hero Kennen, who has infinite mana regen and can do essentially everything you'd want a non-tank to do (nuke, stun, escape, aoe nuke).
I'm willing to walk anyone through the game who wants to give it a try and offer some advice while playing. It could be fun!
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MajinZidane posted... To offer another opinion on HoN: It's a fine game; you should give it a try now that it's F2P. I completely disagree with your suggestion that it follows the MVC3 balance approach, because even in my limited LoL experience I've found that to be the opposite. In my very first game of LoL, I played as a hero who could cast her nuke any and every time it was off of cool down without any regard for mana, and thought this was completely absurd. Then there's my personal favorite LoL hero Kennen, who has infinite mana regen and can do essentially everything you'd want a non-tank to do (nuke, stun, escape, aoe nuke).
I'm willing to walk anyone through the game who wants to give it a try and offer some advice while playing. It could be fun!
I'll walk anyone willing to try the game better
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MajinZidane posted... To offer another opinion on HoN: It's a fine game; you should give it a try now that it's F2P. I completely disagree with your suggestion that it follows the MVC3 balance approach, because even in my limited LoL experience I've found that to be the opposite. In my very first game of LoL, I played as a hero who could cast her nuke any and every time it was off of cool down without any regard for mana, and thought this was completely absurd. Then there's my personal favorite LoL hero Kennen, who has infinite mana regen and can do essentially everything you'd want a non-tank to do (nuke, stun, escape, aoe nuke).
I'm willing to walk anyone through the game who wants to give it a try and offer some advice while playing. It could be fun!
Nobody can kill you at level 1 on league solo with no counterplay unless you're ********, Boko, neither can you end up chainstunned by one guy (not even kennen, he can stun for 2 seconds if he's lucky unless you stand there and he stacks AS hard), and now that Tryndamere's been changed nobody can foil your highly superior teamwork and tactics by farming for 40 minutes straight and then 1v5ing you unless he's god. HoN has a ton of seriously, SERIOUSLY unfair stuff that has precisely 0 counterplay available to you, while LoL's only uncounterable strat is carry+support bot. You're thinking of LoL's stuff in HoN terms and it doesn't work because in HoN spells are precious resources, while in LoL they're part of your common arsenal. I'm curious as to what you think is balanced MvC3 style in League compared to permastuns and total CC immunity. There's often something to gleam from an outside perspective.
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KanzarisKelshen posted... MajinZidane posted... To offer another opinion on HoN: It's a fine game; you should give it a try now that it's F2P. I completely disagree with your suggestion that it follows the MVC3 balance approach, because even in my limited LoL experience I've found that to be the opposite. In my very first game of LoL, I played as a hero who could cast her nuke any and every time it was off of cool down without any regard for mana, and thought this was completely absurd. Then there's my personal favorite LoL hero Kennen, who has infinite mana regen and can do essentially everything you'd want a non-tank to do (nuke, stun, escape, aoe nuke).
I'm willing to walk anyone through the game who wants to give it a try and offer some advice while playing. It could be fun!
Nobody can kill you at level 1 on league solo with no counterplay unless you're ********, Boko, neither can you end up chainstunned by one guy (not even kennen, he can stun for 2 seconds if he's lucky unless you stand there and he stacks AS hard), and now that Tryndamere's been changed nobody can foil your highly superior teamwork and tactics by farming for 40 minutes straight and then 1v5ing you unless he's god. HoN has a ton of seriously, SERIOUSLY unfair stuff that has precisely 0 counterplay available to you, while LoL's only uncounterable strat is carry+support bot. You're thinking of LoL's stuff in HoN terms and it doesn't work because in HoN spells are precious resources, while in LoL they're part of your common arsenal. I'm curious as to what you think is balanced MvC3 style in League compared to permastuns and total CC immunity. There's often something to gleam from an outside perspective.
Really? Name a situation in HoN where a decent team will allow the opponent's carry to farm for that long.
And what kind of unfair stuff is there? Seriously, if you provide examples, thats fine, but if you just spew off crap, then no one with a brain will listen to you.
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Really, I wouldn't have played HoN anyway, due to horror stories about the community, buyers shutting themselves off from F2Pers, and the hero designs seeming exceedingly bland.
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Revenus posted... KanzarisKelshen posted... MajinZidane posted... To offer another opinion on HoN: It's a fine game; you should give it a try now that it's F2P. I completely disagree with your suggestion that it follows the MVC3 balance approach, because even in my limited LoL experience I've found that to be the opposite. In my very first game of LoL, I played as a hero who could cast her nuke any and every time it was off of cool down without any regard for mana, and thought this was completely absurd. Then there's my personal favorite LoL hero Kennen, who has infinite mana regen and can do essentially everything you'd want a non-tank to do (nuke, stun, escape, aoe nuke).
I'm willing to walk anyone through the game who wants to give it a try and offer some advice while playing. It could be fun!
Nobody can kill you at level 1 on league solo with no counterplay unless you're ********, Boko, neither can you end up chainstunned by one guy (not even kennen, he can stun for 2 seconds if he's lucky unless you stand there and he stacks AS hard), and now that Tryndamere's been changed nobody can foil your highly superior teamwork and tactics by farming for 40 minutes straight and then 1v5ing you unless he's god. HoN has a ton of seriously, SERIOUSLY unfair stuff that has precisely 0 counterplay available to you, while LoL's only uncounterable strat is carry+support bot. You're thinking of LoL's stuff in HoN terms and it doesn't work because in HoN spells are precious resources, while in LoL they're part of your common arsenal. I'm curious as to what you think is balanced MvC3 style in League compared to permastuns and total CC immunity. There's often something to gleam from an outside perspective.
Really? Name a situation in HoN where a decent team will allow the opponent's carry to farm for that long.
And what kind of unfair stuff is there? Seriously, if you provide examples, thats fine, but if you just spew off crap, then no one with a brain will listen to you.
Read above. I listed three different things about HoN that provide very little room for counterplaying. I invite you to do the same for LoL.
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Biolizard28 posted... Really, I wouldn't have played HoN anyway, due to horror stories about the community, buyers shutting themselves off from F2Pers, and the hero designs seeming exceedingly bland.
you have a point with the community
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Gwindor posted... I ask because a friend of mine really likes her design, but hasn't had much success with her.
So far he's been going meki-> RoA -> sorc shoes -> fiendish codex -> lich bane
then usually a deathcap, but sometimes finishes evil tome.
Philo or Tear>Deathcap>Voidstaff or Soulstealer>Rylai's or the other item>etc. etc. Orianna should only autoattack to kill the last remaining enemy champion before pushing or to kill towers. Lich is only if you're absolutely godly at positioning, don't get it otherwise.
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Nobody can kill you at level 1 on league solo with no counterplay unless you're ********, Boko, neither can you end up chainstunned by one guy (not even kennen, he can stun for 2 seconds if he's lucky unless you stand there and he stacks AS hard), and now that Tryndamere's been changed nobody can foil your highly superior teamwork and tactics by farming for 40 minutes straight and then 1v5ing you unless he's god. HoN has a ton of seriously, SERIOUSLY unfair stuff that has precisely 0 counterplay available to you, while LoL's only uncounterable strat is carry+support bot. You're thinking of LoL's stuff in HoN terms and it doesn't work because in HoN spells are precious resources, while in LoL they're part of your common arsenal. I'm curious as to what you think is balanced MvC3 style in League compared to permastuns and total CC immunity. There's often something to gleam from an outside perspective.
This is wrong on so many levels.
I would go hero by hero, but I doubt you know what almost any of them do, so I'll just say it's wrong.
HoN and LoL are fine, HoN is more hardcore and LoL is 'easier', but to act like HoN has a terrible metagame because any of the above is true (which it's not, other than the fact that carries scale harder at endgame, but if you let anyone farm for 40 minutes you deserve to lose, especially since it's easier to push in HoN...) is stupid. And you are stupid for thinking this.
please tell me who permastuns, or how you have total CC immunity (unless you mean shrunken head/bkb in which case there are tons of disables that go through that)
The two that can are basically Annie in that they are big burst casters and play exactly like Annie in that the stun combo does a ton of damage to a single champion, and then they are out of the fight. You can stun chain among your team, but you can also do that in LoL. And finally, saying that these things don't have counters is kind of lol. The first two things don't exist, and the third, about one champion farming for 40 minutes then rolling you, assumes that 1. You also don't have a carry farming. 2. You allowed them to farm for that long, which is harder in HoN because of the increased mobility of champions, and 3. Pushing is easier.
I swear there was so much wrong with that post I keep thinking of things to reply to it with.
It's like saying "LoL is a bad game because there is no counterstrategy to a team pushing multiple lanes at once!"
that is what bad players say and I think you know that
Nothing quite as aggravating as having 8 wins out of your last 10 games (and I believe 16 out of the last 20) and then going on a 4-game losing streak on the solo queue in which there was no hope of survival in any of them. Goddamn you, solo queue. >_>
I wonder what a taric orianna lane would look like.
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1.New Kayle is awful. My early game isn't as high risk/high reward as it used to be with flat AP runes giving me High AP and High Damage. My late game is paltry and I don't even get a boosted early game to make up for it.
The Passive was a good idea except you have to hit one enemy 5 times for it to be useful. That's absolutely retarded for 10% reduction. What the hell was riot thinking? By the time you get 5 hits on something you're dead or blowing your ult.
2.Wukong seems rather balanced. His ultimate is absolutely hilarious late game if people don't CC him. And if you do CC him and he's not the main carry(as he shouldn't be) then you're boned because the carry is burying you.
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TheConductorSix posted... 1.New Kayle is awful. My early game isn't as high risk/high reward as it used to be with flat AP runes giving me High AP and High Damage. My late game is paltry and I don't even get a boosted early game to make up for it.
The Passive was a good idea except you have to hit one enemy 5 times for it to be useful. That's absolutely retarded for 10% reduction. What the hell was riot thinking? By the time you get 5 hits on something you're dead or blowing your ult.
If you hate her, at least you only spent 450 IP.
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It's not really fair to argue against us considering we've both actually played both of these games, and simply recognize that they each have their own different set of pros and cons. =)
The community is pretty s***ty, though, so that's a totally reasonable point. I've never once played in a solo queue before (in HoN or LoL), so this isn't as much of an issue for me.
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I played HoN some, I have a legacy account and all. My main issue is that I just don't seem to "get" the champions and it's metagame. I'm a lot better at LoL with it's last hitting/neutral control/map awareness, but this seems to fall apart in HoN.
Tryn is so much more fun now that you aren't saddled down by RNG HAET MUST GET FULL CRIT PAGE AND I STILL RAAAGE early game anymore. Crit damage nerf is indeed sadface however. Regarding that, I feel as if there is some non-crit focused build for Tryn now (cuz high crit doesn't exactly bring you anything other than faster rage but that's not hard now either), but I can't figure out what. Rush IE is still obvious b/c of the passive synergy, but I feel as if Tryn MUST have some sort of slow or haste other than his W or he just gets kited hard, which means get zeal which means get PD b/c trinity doesn't work on him. Then you need a life leech item and lo and behold the game's almost certainly over.
My issue with HoN was that the graphics style was somehow worse than the original dota and you literally can't tell what's going on. Also the HUD takes up SO MUCH SPACE
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throw some ap at the start (15 from quints and 20 from amp tome) and trynd isn't leaving that solo lane anytime soon. he's a really good solo laner now
I think Leona is the best tank in the game right now. I say that as someone who has played tanks for nearly 325 games. I know that is a small amount of games compared to some of the people here but I only state the number to show that I have a good grasp of how tanking works in League of Legends with a variety of tanks.
Leona is just better than all of them at what tanks are supposed to do: Keep enemies off the important people. She can get to enemy squishies unlike anyone else because her E hits the last person and not the first. The second she latches on to that person they are effectively stunned for 2.5-4 seconds depending on how good you are with the ultimate.
I know she's got some problems: Unable to farm well, unable to do any damage once mid-late game hits, but she makes up for both of them by being able to do so much damage early game and get easy kills. She's also able to utilize 3 of the Gold/5 items.
And once she gets Frozen Heart/Banshees(or Force of Nature) she's effectively unkillable with the W up.
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The problem is the current metagame hates pure tanks. Leona is also easily ignored once her CDs are blown. There's also the issue that the other team will have CC in all circumstances so her teammates can't always capitalize. She also can't protect carries from say, xin effectively because it means she has to make a tradeoff between saving her ranged or CCing the enemy ranged because zenith blade's cooldown is so high (her stun is also really short). But w/e
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CDR Runes/Boots of Lucidity/Frozen Heart are core in my opinion for just that reason.
I get the Tenacity from what Philo Stone turns into.
If the team has someone with a leap like Xin/Akali/Katarina/etc., I always inform the team that that's who I'm diving first.
The problem I see with most Leona's is blowing the ult for one guy. If you get off the E/Q on someone they should die no questions asked. That's 1 second of immobility and 1.5 seconds of stun. It's when the enemy team panics and rushes in to save that person that the ult goes off and team fights are swung.
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