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Biolizard28
07/25/11 6:07:00 PM
#151:


no ranged AD carry

I know he's not exactly a carry, but Urgot is close enough.

I've been meaning to try Malz and Teemo, especially the latter since I skimped on his last free week. Kat and Shen are always fun, and I always make time for the newer guys.

Also, Janna is also getting a new model this patch, but no gameplay changes. Hell, we don't even have the full patch notes, so even if she did, I couldn't tell you what.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 6:12:00 PM
#152:


Urgot is a reverse carry, he doesn't really count. He is AD and does damage, but that's about it.

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 6:13:00 PM
#153:


Maybe they're just thinking "Hey, the second best AD carry in the game is ****ing 450 IP, we don't need one every rotation"

and so they didn't this time

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Justin_Crossing
07/25/11 6:16:00 PM
#154:


Well I think it's more that Teemo and Urgot both are auto-attack based dps. Also Urgot can totally carry if he's played by someone good enough. He has such an insane laning phase.

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07/25/11 6:19:00 PM
#155:


Is there any good way to play Katarina? I remember liking her the last time she was on rotation. Anything to keep in mind? A good item and skill build? Luckily, I already have a ton of CDR runes, so that works out well.

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Justin_Crossing
07/25/11 6:20:00 PM
#156:


"Don't do anything when the enemy team has any CC off recharge"

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07/25/11 6:20:00 PM
#157:


Biolizard28 posted...
no ranged AD carry

I know he's not exactly a carry, but Urgot is close enough.


I'm just saying that AD ranged carries are ubiquitous in these rotations. Ashe and Sivir show up constantly, and when they don't, MF and Tristana do.

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Aecioo
07/25/11 6:21:00 PM
#158:


"Wait in bushes for team fight to start, once cooldowns are blown jump in and R. Hope people die so you can R again"

is how you play kata

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 6:54:00 PM
#159:


Or, more appropriately, "don't pick this champ" is how you katarina.

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 6:55:00 PM
#160:


Says the Mordekaiser player...

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07/25/11 7:19:00 PM
#161:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Or, more appropriately, "don't pick this champ" is how you katarina.

Man, I like Katarina and I love her skins. She's got some freaking amazing skins.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:08:00 PM
#162:


Yes, but unless it's ranked and the enemy team consists of Yi, Trynd, Mundo, Nunu and somebody else, she's so bad you might as well be fighting a 4v5. I consider it common courtesy. Would YOU like to fight a 4v5? No? Exavtly.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:10:00 PM
#163:


Biolizard28 posted...
Says the Mordekaiser player...

Little known secret: Morde has one of the highest win percentages at top elos. We're talking about something like 70% wins or so. He's way more powerful than you think he is. Don't fall into the trap of calling him bad like your average 900 elo scrublet who gets stomped by him does.

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 8:15:00 PM
#164:


Annie got a love tap, Trynd got a group hug, Udyr brought back down to earth a little, Yorick got spanked, can't tell about GP/Galio.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:18:00 PM
#165:


And lastly...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1016900

Harsh. Corki got crushed by that nerf. 50% AD damage lost for gatling.

EDIT: Harsher still: Kayle got roflnerfed. 10% penetration, so scary! At least Righteous Fury is properly rapey now.

EDIT EDIT: Rofl at "Tryndamere has been working out and is now approximately 20% bigger".

EDIT EDIT EDIT: God DAMN that Yorick nerf. 25% damage lopped off the Revenant? Christ. And eliminating the scaling on Omen of Pestilence? What the hell?!

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07/25/11 8:20:00 PM
#166:


Jax
Leap Strike
Attack damage ratio increased to 1.0 from 0.7
Base damage reduced to 35/60/85/110/135 from 50/75/100/125/150


Uh... were people calling for nerfs to Jax's base damage or something?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:23:00 PM
#167:


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Jax
Leap Strike
Attack damage ratio increased to 1.0 from 0.7
Base damage reduced to 35/60/85/110/135 from 50/75/100/125/150

Uh... were people calling for nerfs to Jax's base damage or something?


Read that again. It's a colossal buff. And if you're wondering, yes, they were. Riot nerfed his scaling in a moronic move, now they did the right thing and restored it.

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 8:24:00 PM
#168:


I think with Jax and other middle of the pack champions, they just try random **** and see what works.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:25:00 PM
#169:


Biolizard28 posted...
I think with Jax and other middle of the pack champions, they just try random **** and see what works.

Nah, this was an acknowledged derp move. Now that it's fixed Jax is usable again.

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 8:26:00 PM
#170:


So pop quiz: Should I buy Annie or Trynd next?

Annie nerfs don't look like much of anything to worry about, but Trynd always struck my fancy and now would be a good time to try him if he's secretly OP.

Plus, Malzahar is free this week, so he can easily satiate my hunger for mages.

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Colegreen_c12
07/25/11 8:27:00 PM
#171:


From: Biolizard28 | #170
So pop quiz: Should I buy Annie or Trynd next?

Annie nerfs don't look like much of anything to worry about, but Trynd always struck my fancy and now would be a good time to try him if he's secretly OP.

Plus, Malzahar is free this week, so he can easily satiate my hunger for mages.


There completely different chars.

But I hate trynd and enjoy annie.
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07/25/11 8:28:00 PM
#172:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Read that again. It's a colossal buff. And if you're wondering, yes, they were. Riot nerfed his scaling in a moronic move, now they did the right thing and restored it.

It's only a 0.1 ratio buff to what it used to be, and a nerf to his base damage. Isn't that basically what it used to be overall?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 8:29:00 PM
#173:


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KanzarisKelshen posted...
Read that again. It's a colossal buff. And if you're wondering, yes, they were. Riot nerfed his scaling in a moronic move, now they did the right thing and restored it.

It's only a 0.1 ratio buff to what it used to be, and a nerf to his base damage. Isn't that basically what it used to be overall?


0.1? Try 0.3.


More info on Kayle: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1014333

In other words? For the love of god DO NOT PLAY HER. She has no passive!

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Biolizard28
07/25/11 8:29:00 PM
#174:


Also, Idol of Durand damage reduction is nice, but it also ruins its actual damage. I was wondering why in the patch preview it did barely anything.

Not like an AoE taunt is this terrible thing, but come on.

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Articuno2001
07/25/11 8:32:00 PM
#175:


Drop Annie from my list and Add Morgana. Nothing to do with the nerf, I just can't get the hang of Annie anymore.

I really want to try Katarina during this week.

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07/25/11 8:52:00 PM
#176:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
Read that again. It's a colossal buff. And if you're wondering, yes, they were. Riot nerfed his scaling in a moronic move, now they did the right thing and restored it.

It's only a 0.1 ratio buff to what it used to be, and a nerf to his base damage. Isn't that basically what it used to be overall?

0.1? Try 0.3


What it used to be. Wasn't it nerfed to 0.7 from 0.9?

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 9:05:00 PM
#177:


That's definitely a lot of important buffs for Galio. Minor tweaks, mostly, but they'll help him out so much.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 9:38:00 PM
#178:


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KanzarisKelshen posted...
Read that again. It's a colossal buff. And if you're wondering, yes, they were. Riot nerfed his scaling in a moronic move, now they did the right thing and restored it.

It's only a 0.1 ratio buff to what it used to be, and a nerf to his base damage. Isn't that basically what it used to be overall?

0.1? Try 0.3

What it used to be. Wasn't it nerfed to 0.7 from 0.9?


No, it was 1.0 IIRC.

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Colegreen_c12
07/25/11 9:42:00 PM
#179:


it was 1.0 before.
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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 9:53:00 PM
#180:


Just ran the numbers really quick because Galio is my bro and all, and Galio's base armor growth evens out at level 8 from pre-patch to post-patch. That little bit of armor earlier on isn't gonna be huge, but it'll definitely be nice. It make make it affordable to get more manareg runes on him, even.

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 9:55:00 PM
#181:


Biolizard28 posted...
Also, Idol of Durand damage reduction is nice, but it also ruins its actual damage. I was wondering why in the patch preview it did barely anything.

Not like an AoE taunt is this terrible thing, but come on.


You act as though you expect Galio to have some nice burst or something.

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07/25/11 11:09:00 PM
#182:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
No, it was 1.0 IIRC.

Well, that ultimately means a net nerf to Jax, doesn't it?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/25/11 11:55:00 PM
#183:


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No, it was 1.0 IIRC.

Well, that ultimately means a net nerf to Jax, doesn't it?


Yes, but it's a net buff from being unplayable as he was before, so nobody cares.

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Gwindor
07/26/11 8:12:00 AM
#184:


Okay, so I re-ran the numbers for Annie

In order to match her pre-change damage on her abilities, she needs this much AP.

Disintigrate :: 150
Incinterate :: 300
Tibbers :: 225

Before that, she's actually weaker than she was before.
Everyone whining about her being OP doesn't understand this game.

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Silverliner182V
07/26/11 8:19:00 AM
#185:


annie's absurd damage is only part of the reason why she's op and by far the best AP caster. It's a combination of her sublime damage output, her free armor/mr, her pushing ability, and her aoe CC.

It's like how Ashe is 'better' in general than Corki, even though Corki has more damage. Corki has better damage and repositioning, but Ashe's utility and her ultimate gives her the edge overall.

Brand and Anivia have more sustained damage, but Annie can drop the damage when it counts and kill/stun someone in an instant.

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Gwindor
07/26/11 8:29:00 AM
#186:


I'm saying she hasn't changed much from where she was months ago, except that she's good enough to be on a team late game. No one complains about her late game, where she actually improved.

People are only noticing her now because they are sheep.

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Biolizard28
07/26/11 8:38:00 AM
#187:


Bull****.

Any new guy who's played an AI game against ****ing Annie Bot could tell you there's something wrong with her.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 9:21:00 AM
#188:


Gwindor posted...
I'm saying she hasn't changed much from where she was months ago, except that she's good enough to be on a team late game. No one complains about her late game, where she actually improved.

People are only noticing her now because they are sheep.


You forgot Tibbers' ticks. They add up fast with a deathcap and voidstaff, which she's p. much guaranteed to have.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 9:50:00 AM
#189:


...So Morello didn't even realize Kayle's passive shreds up to 10% stats. "I thought it was 20%!". Really now?

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OctilIery
07/26/11 9:53:00 AM
#190:


Gotta love needless overnerfing of Corki. Removing his utility is retarded.

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Biolizard28
07/26/11 9:56:00 AM
#191:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
...So Morello didn't even realize Kayle's passive shreds up to 10% stats. "I thought it was 20%!". Really now?

PLAYTESTING

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 9:59:00 AM
#192:


Biolizard28 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
...So Morello didn't even realize Kayle's passive shreds up to 10% stats. "I thought it was 20%!". Really now?

PLAYTESTING


BEST ONLINE GAMING EXPERIENCE

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Biolizard28
07/26/11 10:04:00 AM
#193:


Patch is out.

People spy Magma Chamber files.

What the hell

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 10:07:00 AM
#194:


Biolizard28 posted...
Patch is out.

People spy Magma Chamber files.

What the hell


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=12002316#post12002316

Sneaky Tamat!

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 10:37:00 AM
#195:


Oh lawd

http://imgur.com/uRj4q

Take my money RIOT, this is beautiful!

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Justin_Crossing
07/26/11 10:38:00 AM
#196:


Resistance Cait still has the best splash.

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Biolizard28
07/26/11 10:39:00 AM
#197:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Oh lawd

http://imgur.com/uRj4q

Take my money RIOT, this is beautiful!


Dammit riot.

Take my points for trynd and then take my ****ing money.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/26/11 10:41:00 AM
#198:


Justin_Crossing posted...
Resistance Cait still has the best splash.

More like Gragas, Esq has the best splash, but then again few things compete with that beautiful fat thang.

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Achromatic
07/26/11 10:42:00 AM
#199:


Chinese Woad Ashe master race.

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Biolizard28
07/26/11 10:44:00 AM
#200:


Chinese art in general master race.

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