Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 20 - "Do you wanna play? It'll be fun."

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 2:07:00 AM
#351:


talking and BSing during games helps keep things interesting.

again, i guess i just don't take the game as serious as most people.

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Achromatic
07/18/11 2:08:00 AM
#352:


The game usually keeps me busy enough not to have to provide my own entertainment.

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Lopen
07/18/11 2:14:00 AM
#353:


Basically you fall into two camps when you're using vent or skype or whatnot:

1. You're using it because it's better for team communication and that can help you win
2. You're using it because you want to be social.

I don't care enough about playing the game to absolute peak form for the slight communication upgrade to be worth firing the thing up. I also think it's actually a hindrance when you've got pubs on your team.
I don't care enough about "being social" that I need to hear voices and yack about everything-- I don't generally get too much more out of that than I do from just playing the game with friends and using the chat interface. If someone was literally in the same room with me it'd be different but yeah. Never been much of a phone guy, for what that's worth, I suppose. I mean I can carry a conversation on a phone but I was always the type to just go visit someone if they wanted to have a long social phone call.

So yeah the thing's existence basically vexes me. Maybe someday I'll shake off my bitterness towards it and actually enjoy it.

Whoo vent discussion how fascinating.

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Achromatic
07/18/11 2:17:00 AM
#354:


I would say its much more than a slight upgrade, really. Being able to coordinate and give thoughts at a moment's notice without having to type it out is pretty important. But I mean if you don't care for that, fair enough.

and if you don't want to be social at all or chit-chat with people in games then... fair enough.

Basically fair enough I guess.

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Lopen
07/18/11 2:26:00 AM
#355:


I can actually type almost as fast as I can speak. Like I could see it being a big upgrade if you were bad at typing, I guess. If you're typing like 80 WPM though you're not getting a huge upgrade there. I think the average person talks a little over 100 WPM so yeah. There of course is the added reading time vs listening time but I don't really think that adds all that much either, especially when most urgent thoughts can probably be conveyed through using the map ping without elaboration.

But I'd probably really need to use Vent more often to have a good idea of how big a difference it has-- but then again, as I said, don't really care enough to bother aside from research purposes.

Next time I get wrangled into that I'll claim I'm doing research. It'll make me feel less power gamey and better about myself.

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 2:31:00 AM
#356:


For team communication purposes Vent is better. There's no distractions and you only talk to coordinate ganks/dragon/baron/etc.

It's actually quite useful to be honest.

p.s annie is op

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Achromatic
07/18/11 2:34:00 AM
#357:


From: Lopen | #355
I can actually type almost as fast as I can speak. Like I could see it being a big upgrade if you were bad at typing, I guess. If you're typing like 80 WPM though you're not getting a huge upgrade there. I think the average person talks a little over 100 WPM so yeah. There of course is the added reading time vs listening time but I don't really think that adds all that much either, especially when most urgent thoughts can probably be conveyed through using the map ping without elaboration.

But I'd probably really need to use Vent more often to have a good idea of how big a difference it has-- but then again, as I said, don't really care enough to bother aside from research purposes.

Next time I get wrangled into that I'll claim I'm doing research. It'll make me feel less power gamey and better about myself.


Uh, I type at closer to 100-110 WPM and I am just saying that's not true at all. Being able to actually play the game while talking and conveying stuff is very important. It has nothing to do with how fast you are.

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Lopen
07/18/11 2:38:00 AM
#358:


WPM dick waving contest time to get FD in here!

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red13n
07/18/11 2:42:00 AM
#359:


its physically impossible to play the game and type at the same time.

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red13n
07/18/11 2:47:00 AM
#360:


its the in-combat messages that you lose. critical things like "hey fiddle is ulting behind those trees" that you cant really type in the moment. Not to mention kill targets, dps switches, when to be(As fast as it is to type b, you cant type it while continuing to micro.

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Lopen
07/18/11 2:47:00 AM
#361:


Yeah I got his point there. Doesn't mean I can't poke fun at him and FD a bit.

I still think you might be overestimating by just a bit how much needs to be said and can't be resolved by map pings (or taking the two seconds to type it) and stuff but yeah, I do see the point and the use even if you can type reasonably fast.

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Lopen
07/18/11 2:50:00 AM
#362:


Okay I'll agree with you on most of that but let's not get ridiculous, you can definitely type b while microing. That's scarcely more effort than is required to hold the talk key down.

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voltch
07/18/11 7:32:00 AM
#363:


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I am sad, our TF had rally for some reason.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/18/11 7:39:00 AM
#364:


It isn't just about being able to coordinate with voices while still controlling your character.

Granted that reason alone would be reason enough, but it just makes the entire gaming experience also a social one.


We've been playing games together for years now and it wouldn't be half as enjoyable if we didn't actually talk to each other at the same time. Dara is a reasonably new addition to our vent community, maybe he can tell you why it's so good.

Also without voice programs we wouldn't get an hour of people trying and failing to pronounce "canonically inedible" in the middle of the night. So there's that too. ^_^

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Forceful_Dragon
07/18/11 7:39:00 AM
#365:


Also I'm just about to take off for camp so I'll see ya'll in around 2 weeks unless we magically have internet up there this year. (we wont)


Someone please get on top of the new topic early and fix all my fail mistakes ^_^

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Peace___Frog
07/18/11 8:51:00 AM
#366:


Have fun, FD!

The thing with vent is that my press-to-talk key is left shift. Left control was awful for TF2, because crouching at inopportune times is bad and stupid. So now if I were to ever change it from left shift, I would take forever to adjust. But hitting left shift (while clicking) in LoL makes me attack the nearest minion or whatever, so that's frustrating too. >_>

As for #353, I'd say I fall into both camps.

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voltch
07/18/11 9:12:00 AM
#367:


oh hey, Sona with the highest CS in the game and kinda stomped all over, that felt good.

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07/18/11 11:41:00 AM
#368:


How important are runes to Jax? I know he's dodge-based, but can he get away with no using them? I just bought him, but full dodge runes would run me over 12000 IP. Like, I know some characters don't REALLY need their runes to work, but will Jax be noticeably less effective?

Also: is it me, or is Sivir's passive completely useless?

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 11:58:00 AM
#369:


There are worse passives.

It's certainly bad, though. Doesn't really help her since she's already a wobbly AD carry.

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 12:00:00 PM
#370:


Sivir is an AD carry with

A.No escapes or steroid outside of her ultimate
B.An absolutely useless passive. One of the game's worst.
C.No proc effects on any of her moves.

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07/18/11 12:18:00 PM
#371:


Well, I've been using Jax for a few games, and I love him. He's the only melee champion I've actually really enjoyed using. Of course, I have no proper build for him yet beyond "cloth armor and potions x4 then ninja tabis, but he's a blast to play because of how common squishy carries and mages are.

My problem is, as I mentioned, it's 12000 IP for dodge runes. I really wish I had a way to get a ton of runes.

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 12:29:00 PM
#372:


I just wouldn't buy dodge runes period.

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SpeedYoshi
07/18/11 12:33:00 PM
#373:


tilde is the best press to talk key

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 12:43:00 PM
#374:


Also, BOLD PREDICTION

This week is Jarvan week. I can feel it.

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07/18/11 1:10:00 PM
#375:


Biolizard28 posted...
I just wouldn't buy dodge runes period.

Well is Jax the only champion who can use them or something?

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Justin_Crossing
07/18/11 1:11:00 PM
#376:


From: Anagram | #375
Well is Jax the only champion who can use them or something?


he's the only champion where they're really useful because dodge chance is something purely RNG-related so you're trusting your survival to randomness instead of a % damage reduction with armor

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HeroicGammaRay
07/18/11 1:14:00 PM
#377:


typing, like, always gets me killed

the difference is that the enter key is all the way on the right side of the keyboard, away from the rest of your hotkeys, and ctrl isn't
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Biolizard28
07/18/11 1:19:00 PM
#378:


Justin_Crossing posted...
From: Anagram | #375
Well is Jax the only champion who can use them or something?
he's the only champion where they're really useful because dodge chance is something purely RNG-related so you're trusting your survival to randomness instead of a % damage reduction with armor


Some solo mid guides (Which I usually consult when I'm clueless) suggest dodge runes for a couple of junglers, but I think that's about it. I'd still rather have solid armor runes, and they're much cheaper.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 1:57:00 PM
#379:


Don't buy dodge on Jax. If you do your build is outdated by a year and a half and you should feel bad.

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voltch
07/18/11 2:00:00 PM
#380:


So i bought leona...wooo.

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 2:09:00 PM
#381:


Alright, I got my laptop back.

Imma play some DECENT FPS GAMES with Cass while I still can.

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07/18/11 2:27:00 PM
#382:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy dodge on Jax. If you do your build is outdated by a year and a half and you should feel bad.

Well uh what do you buy for him then? His stun is based entirely on how much dodge he has, and the only way to get dodge other than masteries and runes is ninja tabi.

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Justin_Crossing
07/18/11 2:31:00 PM
#383:


well you shouldn't be relying on dodge to survive you should be killing your opponents first. i don't know what runes to get but yeah you shouldn't be relying on dodging

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 2:31:00 PM
#384:


Anagram posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy dodge on Jax. If you do your build is outdated by a year and a half and you should feel bad.

Well uh what do you buy for him then? His stun is based entirely on how much dodge he has, and the only way to get dodge other than masteries and runes is ninja tabi.


Flat damage. 20% dodge is plenty, your focus should be on your RIDICULOUSLY good scalings with AP and AD to kick the other guy outta lane early on.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 2:32:00 PM
#385:


To clarify:

Reds: Flat Damage (yes, you read it right, no ArPen or MagPen)
Yellows: Manareg or Armor
Blues: MagRes, scaling
Quints: AD

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07/18/11 4:38:00 PM
#386:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
To clarify:

Reds: Flat Damage (yes, you read it right, no ArPen or MagPen)
Yellows: Manareg or Armor
Blues: MagRes, scaling
Quints: AD


What makes magic resistance better than CDR?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 4:41:00 PM
#387:


How much CDR do you think you're gonna need with a 5 second CD, another 5 second CD, and a 60 second ultimate? Conversely, how much MR can you skimp on when you can win a fight against more or less any melee 1v1?

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 5:10:00 PM
#388:


New rotation

Malphite
Anivia
Maokai
Master Yi
Ashe
morde es #1
Poppy
Morgana
Rumble
Twisted Fate


Last two make me want to scream into my freaking hands.

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07/18/11 6:11:00 PM
#389:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
How much CDR do you think you're gonna need with a 5 second CD, another 5 second CD, and a 60 second ultimate? Conversely, how much MR can you skimp on when you can win a fight against more or less any melee 1v1?

Well, fact is, I already have the following runes:
1 Magic Resist quint (I plan to replace this with HP)
1 HP quint
7 ArPen reds (I'm only 23)
7 ManaReg/level yellows
6 ManaReg/level blues
5 CDR flat blues

I need runes that work for the largest number of characters I play. I plan to finish maxing out CDR blues first for my carries and Leona, and only then might I start buying runes for Jax specifically... maybe. I still have Annie, Leona, and Sona to buy runes for. I was kind of hoping CDR runes would still work for Jax, after all, who doesn't want a shorter CD on their leap, but if not, I guess I'll just keep using him rune-less.

It just seems weird to me not to buy dodge runes for him, it's an 11% difference.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 6:18:00 PM
#390:


They will work. They're just not critical.

Also, the dodge runes do much less than you think. Dodge is multiplicative,so you have to subtract 18% from base, then 12% of what remains, THEN whatever rune dodge you have from what remains of the second subtraction.

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07/18/11 6:24:00 PM
#391:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
They will work. They're just not critical.

Also, the dodge runes do much less than you think. Dodge is multiplicative,so you have to subtract 18% from base, then 12% of what remains, THEN whatever rune dodge you have from what remains of the second subtraction.


But it's 18 from Counterstrike, 10 from boots, and 11 from runes. That's still an effective 8-9 difference on the base.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/18/11 6:40:00 PM
#392:


No, it's 8 from runes. If you're giving up your quint slot on dodge you're doing it 100% wrong. So it's about...5-6% actual dodge, tops.

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Vengeful_KBM
07/18/11 6:52:00 PM
#393:


Just got one thing to say about a game I just played with my cousin:

Veigar is glorious. I've never seen an enemy team rage so hard. Especially not at me. Our last game was an hour of pure glory. He's hilariously OP but nobody knows how to use him right so he doesn't get nerfed. (And two people on the enemy team announced that they are planning on raging on the Riot forums, which I find hilarious.)

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07/18/11 6:55:00 PM
#394:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
No, it's 8 from runes. If you're giving up your quint slot on dodge you're doing it 100% wrong. So it's about...5-6% actual dodge, tops.

Alright, that makes sense. I'm a long way away from buying runes for Jax anyway.

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Justin_Crossing
07/18/11 7:20:00 PM
#395:


From: Vengeful_KBM | #393
Just got one thing to say about a game I just played with my cousin:

Veigar is glorious. I've never seen an enemy team rage so hard. Especially not at me. Our last game was an hour of pure glory. He's hilariously OP but nobody knows how to use him right so he doesn't get nerfed. (And two people on the enemy team announced that they are planning on raging on the Riot forums, which I find hilarious.)


he's not really OP because all his damage is against one target and then he has stupid cooldowns on top of that. his q is his only really consistent source of damage. sure he can nuke an AP or brittle whenever he wants, but that's all he really brings other than event horizon. leblanc is a far better nuker because she can escape better, has better burst, and far lower cooldowns

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Silver_Ermine
07/18/11 7:24:00 PM
#396:


And Leblanc isn't even that good lol

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 7:55:00 PM
#397:


That's because Leblanc is **** in anything that isn't dueling.

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 8:09:00 PM
#398:


Any smart tank will initiate on Veigar and make him blow his stun or suffer a quick death.

But don't get me wrong he is a ton of fun to play with and bursting down enemy squishies is a ton of fun.

This free week is going to be VERY annoying. Mordekaisers in every game.

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 8:15:00 PM
#399:


Mordekaiser?

Try Rumble's QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

Or Twisted Fate in general.

At the very least, feeding Anivias all day.

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 8:18:00 PM
#400:


Anivia is one of the 2-3 characters I've never played. I'm gonna give her a shot since I seem to do quite well with AP Carrys.

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