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Biolizard28
07/18/11 8:19:00 PM
#401:


I bought Anivia with my free RP while she was on sale.

Don't take her difficulty ranking lightly. She takes TALENT.

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Phase
07/18/11 8:38:00 PM
#402:


LB vs. Veigar:

LB Advs:
Your burst works on anything.
You are slippery as hell.
Your poke is much safer and more damaging.
You're much easier to use and it's much harder for things to go wrong as LB (I dunno wtf the difficulty bar is all the way on the right, LB is moderate at most)

Veigar Advs:
You burst slightly better on casters that are carrying.
You deal much, much better AoE damage w/ Dark Matter.
Dat Event Horizon.
You're slightly less useless after your burst.

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voltch
07/18/11 8:40:00 PM
#403:


sadly everyone here lacks the talent to properly use anivia save for one person :/

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Silverliner182V
07/18/11 8:43:00 PM
#404:


Yeah, it's tough being the best Anivia player. At least she wins me games.

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Achromatic
07/18/11 9:09:00 PM
#405:


From: Silverliner182V | #404
Yeah, it's tough being the best Anivia player. At least she wins me games.


<_<?

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Vengeful_KBM
07/18/11 9:33:00 PM
#406:


Goal for this week:

Learn to use Anivia.
Dominate frequently with Anivia.
???
Profit.

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TheConductorSix
07/18/11 9:34:00 PM
#407:


i saw red dick around with anivia for 20 minutes in a random solo queue game

he got first blood, proceeded to go 6 and 0, and legitimately ended the game before it even started.

scary.

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Biolizard28
07/18/11 9:35:00 PM
#408:


Goal for this week:

Play a bit of Rumble and Poppy because they're BRAND SPANKIN NEW to me
Enjoy old favorites Morgana and Mordekaiser
Try not to strangle bad TFs and Anivias
???
Deficit.

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HanOfTheNekos
07/18/11 10:03:00 PM
#409:


I miss playing LoL with all you guys.

Having a job sucks.

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Anagram
07/18/11 10:45:00 PM
#410:


So how do you deal with a competent Annie who's reached level 6? I just fought one, and it was a huge problem. She could burst anyone on our team from 100% except Alistar.

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Anagram
07/18/11 11:12:00 PM
#411:


Dat feel when you call mid, but Karthas insists on going mid and turns out be incredibly, ridiculously good and dominates the entire game.

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Justin_Crossing
07/18/11 11:17:00 PM
#412:


From: Anagram | #410
So how do you deal with a competent Annie who's reached level 6? I just fought one, and it was a huge problem. She could burst anyone on our team from 100% except Alistar.


you hope to god you have a good caitlyn on your team (or any AD carry who's good with a range over 600, really)

or just stun her

stun lock her into oblivion

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Anagram
07/18/11 11:19:00 PM
#413:


Justin_Crossing posted...
From: Anagram | #410
So how do you deal with a competent Annie who's reached level 6? I just fought one, and it was a huge problem. She could burst anyone on our team from 100% except Alistar.
you hope to god you have a good caitlyn on your team


Well that's kind of horrible.

Annie was solo laning against Orianna and Jax (me). We ruined her until she reached level 6, whereupon she destroyed us so thoroughly that Gangplank insisted Orianna switch lanes with him. She then killed Gangplank just as easily as she killed us.

The entire game, we got close to killing her once, but our idiot Alistar headbutt her into her own turret and got killed by turret aggro while Warwick killed me (I was already damaged from an earlier fight).

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 1:38:00 AM
#414:


well there's a reason annie is now one of the "default bans" in ranked at my elo

who were your other 2 teammates

because your only hard CC between the 3 of you would have been counterstrike and orianna's ult, neither of which are relatively low CD/reliable

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 2:15:00 AM
#415:


http://www.rog.clgaming.net/blogs/reign-of-elementz/2623-monkey-king-animation-show-case-video

why does china do everything better

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Lopen
07/19/11 2:18:00 AM
#416:


From: Anagram | #411
Dat feel when you call mid, but Karthas insists on going mid and turns out be incredibly, ridiculously good and dominates the entire game.


Don't be that guy who calls mid.

Don't do it.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 2:40:00 AM
#417:


Yeah, just ask for it, don't make a demand of "mid" and be the carry instalock guy.

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TheConductorSix
07/19/11 3:19:00 AM
#418:


that's the funniest part about Annie:

You have 5 levels of harassing* her, but then she hits 6 and you know the Flash+Spell Rotation+Ignite is coming.

You either have your finger on Flash at all times or get zoned out.


*And the list of champs that can successfully harass Annie is rather low.

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Achromatic
07/19/11 3:23:00 AM
#419:


having MR runes makes annie's combo less fierce.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 3:27:00 AM
#420:


Add: Irelia

Roles covered:
AD Carry - Caitlyn
Solo Top Melee - Irelia
AP Carry - Orianna (or annie if for some reason she's not banned/taken)
Jungler - Trundle

Roles I need to get better at:
Tank - I just hate tanking. I'm an alright Jarvan (but he's just so easymode), a decent Galio (although Galio's relegated to the "not actually a tank" section), and a decent Maokai, but yeah I just hate tanking. I would really enjoy playing Leona, but I like being able to do SOME damage, and if I'm going for someone with high cooldowns, I enjoy Maokai just as much, and Maokai can actually farm.
Support - Sona is easymode and that's about it. I played Sona with red and Chris one game and other than forgetting bunchloads of wards a time or too they said I was fine so I guess I may add her. Learning Taric I guess but I need to realize that I'm actually a support and not a poker like Sion >_>.

I think part of the issue is that I don't trust people to deal damage and not be morons >__>

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 3:27:00 AM
#421:


From: TheConductorSix | #418
that's the funniest part about Annie:

You have 5 levels of harassing* her, but then she hits 6 and you know the Flash+Spell Rotation+Ignite is coming.

You either have your finger on Flash at all times or get zoned out.


*And the list of champs that can successfully harass Annie is rather low.


caitlyn is totally on that list aw yeah

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HanOfTheNekos
07/19/11 6:02:00 AM
#422:


Anagram posted...
Justin_Crossing posted...
From: Anagram | #410
So how do you deal with a competent Annie who's reached level 6? I just fought one, and it was a huge problem. She could burst anyone on our team from 100% except Alistar.
you hope to god you have a good caitlyn on your team

Well that's kind of horrible.

Annie was solo laning against Orianna and Jax (me). We ruined her until she reached level 6, whereupon she destroyed us so thoroughly that Gangplank insisted Orianna switch lanes with him. She then killed Gangplank just as easily as she killed us.

The entire game, we got close to killing her once, but our idiot Alistar headbutt her into her own turret and got killed by turret aggro while Warwick killed me (I was already damaged from an earlier fight).




The way to beat Annie solo lane is easy.

Never hit a creep, and deny her experience.

Unless she's smart, she'll try to pick up experience by moving away from her tower.

Then Jax jumps on her and Orianna throws her ball at her, and level 1 Annie dies in seconds.

Then destroy her tower at 4:00.

That's how you beat Annie.

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 7:04:00 AM
#423:


Oh my goodness Poppy will EXPLODE YOU

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IhatethisCPU
07/19/11 9:08:00 AM
#424:


Aye, that's kinda Poppy's thing. The proper term is "anti-carry".

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Aecioo
07/19/11 9:15:00 AM
#425:


If you have 2v1 with annie, especially with an orianna, you should win it.

You just have to zone her out of experience lane for as long as possible, and continually harass her, which orianna can do easily enough early on. Remember that if you have to just simply auto attack battle her so you both have to go back, it's worth it - she is not getting experience, your jax is, and pretty soon jax can two shot her.

You're going to lose against almost any annie if you let her get experience, that's just how it is. Sacrifice your early game to kill her early game, and eventually you'll have the advantage where you can just jax jump + orianna ball her whenever she gets close and win.

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Aecioo
07/19/11 9:18:00 AM
#426:


voltch posted...
sadly everyone here lacks the talent to properly use anivia save for one person :/

lol this is probably about me somehow

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Anagram
07/19/11 9:25:00 AM
#427:


Lopen posted...
From: Anagram | #411
Dat feel when you call mid, but Karthas insists on going mid and turns out be incredibly, ridiculously good and dominates the entire game.
Don't be that guy who calls mid.

Don't do it.


I didn't demand mid, I just said I'll go mid since most teams want MF on mid. Bad choice of words.


The way to beat Annie solo lane is easy.

Never hit a creep, and deny her experience.

Unless she's smart, she'll try to pick up experience by moving away from her tower.

Then Jax jumps on her and Orianna throws her ball at her, and level 1 Annie dies in seconds.

Then destroy her tower at 4:00.

That's how you beat Annie.</

Honestly? She still would have reached 6 eventually, and that was more-or-less when the game was over for us, because the only person who could take her burst (Alistar) was an idiot. I could take it with my ult, but that was it.

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Peace___Frog
07/19/11 10:01:00 AM
#428:


Who cares if she hits 6 when 2/5 of your team is level 9 or higher

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 10:06:00 AM
#429:


From: Anagram | #427
I didn't demand mid, I just said I'll go mid since most teams want MF on mid. Bad choice of words.


The way to beat Annie solo lane is easy.

Never hit a creep, and deny her experience.

Unless she's smart, she'll try to pick up experience by moving away from her tower.

Then Jax jumps on her and Orianna throws her ball at her, and level 1 Annie dies in seconds.

Then destroy her tower at 4:00.

That's how you beat Annie.</

Honestly? She still would have reached 6 eventually, and that was more-or-less when the game was over for us, because the only person who could take her burst (Alistar) was an idiot. I could take it with my ult, but that was it.


buy MR?

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 11:40:00 AM
#430:


yeah so everything just says "loading"

ingmar i'm gonna actually go see a movie with my friend so yeah i guess we can't play that game right now anyways

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 11:46:00 AM
#431:


I couldn't even exit my client in a timely manner.

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IngmarBirdman
07/19/11 11:46:00 AM
#432:


Same thing happened to me.

#1 riot.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:11:00 PM
#433:


Annie beats MF, Vlad, Ashe, Vayne, GP,and Ezreal imo. Fid is weird because of the nature of his things and his CC.

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Gwindor
07/19/11 12:12:00 PM
#434:


I have no idea what some of you are talking about sometimes. I've always felt like I had no laning presence with Annie.

Here's a list of champions I can think of that can always win a solo lane against Annie.
Anivia
Ashe
Brand
Caitlyn
Ezreal
Fiddlesticks
Gangplank
Heimerdinger
Miss Fortune
Vayne
Vladimir

These are the ones you just plain can't do anything about. With most other champions, your odds are more fair, but it's never even remotely easy.

You will always lose a 2v1 as Annie. Any two champions in the game can kill you while you're at full health. You can stop this from happening by not walking past your lane's halfway point. But if your opponents have some form of CC, then you're not safe even that far out. You have to play the entire lane inside flash range of your turret.

Same thing applies to 2v2. There have been plenty of times where my two opponents have ignored my ally completely to run in and kill me from full health. If you're ally can't get people off of you, it's the same situation as a 2v1.

The only saving grace I have is that most people don't realize how fast they can make Annie's health drop by playing aggressively. Or they're intimidated by a laning partner they don't really need to worry about.

Sure, you can disintigrate them for gobs off their health, but it doesn't matter when they can immediately kill you afterward. I'm not saying Annie is a terrible laner, but some of you people make it sound like she's god mode.

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Achromatic
07/19/11 12:13:00 PM
#435:


Vayne absolutely destroys Annie, to name one.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:14:00 PM
#436:


okay well a good vayne beats a good annie, but most people who play vayne aren't good vaynes

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Achromatic
07/19/11 12:16:00 PM
#437:


and annie has no way to deal with a good ez.

Good ashe that is packing MR will be fine cause she cant be combo'd and is great at last hitting.

GP can shrug off annie better than most

basically jc that was just a wrong post.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:18:00 PM
#438:


chris you forget that i play with baddies 100% of the time and i never actually see anybody do anything and thus have a totally twisted perception

but i'm working my way out. up to 1245 now

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Gwindor
07/19/11 12:19:00 PM
#439:


Vlad's transfusion has the same range as any of Annie's abilities. If you trade blows with him he will win on health every time.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:20:00 PM
#440:


transfusion's early cooldown is too high and if he's using it to poke then he's losing farm and is losing gold anyways

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 12:22:00 PM
#441:


I took Sivir for a spin for the first time in a long time, btw

There's a good champion somewhere in there, but it's not showing.

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Achromatic
07/19/11 12:24:00 PM
#442:


From: Justin_Crossing | #438
chris you forget that i play with baddies 100% of the time and i never actually see anybody do anything and thus have a totally twisted perception

but i'm working my way out. up to 1245 now


All the more reason for you to not post opinions tbh.

From: Justin_Crossing | #440
transfusion's early cooldown is too high and if he's using it to poke then he's losing farm and is losing gold anyways


Annie has mana, Vlad doesn't. I think Annie can take a vlad but vlad wins the mana battle.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:26:00 PM
#443:


i never said annie would win the mana battle anywhere now you're just trying to make me sound wrong even when you agree with me

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 12:27:00 PM
#444:


Achromatic posted...
Annie has mana, Vlad doesn't. I think Annie can take a vlad but vlad wins the mana battle.

We're talking about harassment, right?

Because in terms of sustainability, Annie may as well not have mana.

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Achromatic
07/19/11 12:28:00 PM
#445:


From: Justin_Crossing | #443
i never said annie would win the mana battle anywhere now you're just trying to make me sound wrong even when you agree with me


Well level 1-5 part of harassment is being able to sustain that harassment. Annie can't long term vlad can.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 12:30:00 PM
#446:


I literally never said anything to contradict that. I don't get your point.

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TheConductorSix
07/19/11 12:39:00 PM
#447:


dear justin how dare you have an opinion on a game you enjoy playing with such low elo

buffoon. imbecile. ingrate.

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 12:40:00 PM
#448:


TheConductorSix posted...
dear justin how dare you have an opinion on a game you enjoy playing with such low elo

buffoon. imbecile. ingrate.


I'd normally agree with you, but Justin literally said that he plays bads all the time and has no idea what he's talking about.

He talks about it anyway.

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Peace___Frog
07/19/11 12:42:00 PM
#449:


Compared to Ermine/FD/red/Chris we all play baddies

do you want everyone to never state an opinion?

J_C justified himself by saying "at my elo, people don't know what you guys do, so this works"

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Achromatic
07/19/11 12:46:00 PM
#450:


Well he said it after the fact. It is important to put opinions into context. Say whatever you like.

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