Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 20 - "Do you wanna play? It'll be fun."

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TheConductorSix
07/19/11 12:47:00 PM
#451:


lol.

anyways, Peaf I wanna try out Rumble today so you best be on.

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Peace___Frog
07/19/11 1:17:00 PM
#452:


I should be on, later

gotta go out and do some errands soon, but I should be on tonight!

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 1:17:00 PM
#453:


Gwindor posted...
I have no idea what some of you are talking about sometimes. I've always felt like I had no laning presence with Annie.

Here's a list of champions I can think of that can always win a solo lane against Annie.
Anivia
Ashe
Brand
Caitlyn
Ezreal
Fiddlesticks
Gangplank
Heimerdinger
Miss Fortune
Vayne
Vladimir

These are the ones you just plain can't do anything about. With most other champions, your odds are more fair, but it's never even remotely easy.

You will always lose a 2v1 as Annie. Any two champions in the game can kill you while you're at full health. You can stop this from happening by not walking past your lane's halfway point. But if your opponents have some form of CC, then you're not safe even that far out. You have to play the entire lane inside flash range of your turret.

Same thing applies to 2v2. There have been plenty of times where my two opponents have ignored my ally completely to run in and kill me from full health. If you're ally can't get people off of you, it's the same situation as a 2v1.

The only saving grace I have is that most people don't realize how fast they can make Annie's health drop by playing aggressively. Or they're intimidated by a laning partner they don't really need to worry about.

Sure, you can disintigrate them for gobs off their health, but it doesn't matter when they can immediately kill you afterward. I'm not saying Annie is a terrible laner, but some of you people make it sound like she's god mode.


That list is really bad. Tackling it point by point:

-Anivia wins if she's better. Fire vs. Ice is a tossup.
-Ashe wins if, and it's a big if, she can manage her mana very efficiently and poke annie down enough that an ECA+Volley+Crit Auto chain can down her or leave her close enough that she can tank her opening burst before tibbers kills her. The matchup is probably 6-4 in Annie's favor because she punishes ashe much harder for much smaller mistakes.
-Brand is...ehhhhhh, iffy. Brand has to be on the ball to win it and HAS to stun annie, but not impossible. I'd say this matchup is 55-45 Annie because she can stun brand more easily.
-Caitlyn is like Ashe but easier. She can beat Annie. 50-50 mathcup.
-Ezreal is like Ashe, but WAY easier. He has an advantageous matchup against Annie due to creep-bypassing. 60-40 in his favor IMO.
-Fiddles loses against annie unless she's super dumb and gets silenced thrice. No way around it, the combo bursts stix down. 70-30 Annie if I had to put a value to it, maybe 80-20.
-Gangplank CAN win against annie, but he can also lose. They will most likely ignore each other, really. 50-50 odds I'd say.
-Heimer gets punked by annie if she plays safe pre-6. Sorry, but it's the truth when you're a squishy dude like heimerloler! 65-35 Annie, since Heimer DOES have lots of safeish harass.
-MF is at a disadvantage against annie up to a point, but it's nothing major. A skilled MF could win it. 55-45 Annie.
-lol vayne. A character with no range doesn't cut it. 80-20 Annie, Vayne WILL lose trades.
-Vlad is weird. If I had to guess, he wins against Annie, but it's a very drawn-out battle and he has to be smart about the pools. Something like 65-35 in his favor maybe?


But yeah, list is bad. Annie is beaten by tanky men, not squishy dudes. Send a Yorick to face her and she dies horribly for instance.

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Peace___Frog
07/19/11 2:38:00 PM
#454:


mathcup

My favorite kind of cup!

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 5:09:00 PM
#455:


Internal testing for a jungle remake.

Faster neutral camp respawn times. Red buff hastes you instead of slowing your victim.

Last change seems completely unnecessary.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 5:15:00 PM
#456:


No, it makes perfect sense. We already have something like it to draw from. It's a really stupid idea anyway because it means Udyr, Trundle, Nunu, et al are completely broken while Lee Sin, Wick, and the like get chucked to the wayside, but it's a change that reduces the ability of your lane buddies to gangrape the target, in certain cases. By the way, link to the post where this is discussed?

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 5:21:00 PM
#457:


Guinsoo said it, but I can't find where.

And yeah, I guess it makes it harder for the rest of your team to gang up on the guy and destroy him, but dudes like Gangplank can still slow with no issue. ****, his passive is basically red buff lite.

Unless they plan on nerfing him, which is totally fine by me.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 5:31:00 PM
#458:


Doubt it because the nerfs would have to be system-wide. You couldn't allow Nunu, Trundle, Plank, Xin and Udyr to keep their CC because they're limited by speed and a speed buff solves that issue. This idea is almost certainly getting scrapped.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 5:34:00 PM
#459:


Found it. Kanzaris "Great Internet Detective" Kelshen returns!

http://t.qq.com/RiotGuinsoo

Pretty neat stuff if you axe me.

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red13n
07/19/11 5:50:00 PM
#460:


i do not know what chris is talking about with Annie. A good annie can crush 3/4 of the people he listed.

As long as Annie knows how to protect herself and punish with her stun, she is incredibly difficult to stop.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 6:02:00 PM
#461:


Pretty much, yeah. Annie's edge is that with flash, her effective spell range is something like 1.1k or so, which means you have to either stand REALLY far back or dismantle her thoroughly in the very early laning phase to win.


On another note, I should probably set up a new topic soonish. Any ideas for the name? I'm thinking of going with Yorick's profile quote, "Die first, then we'll talk", but I'm open to suggestions.

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 6:16:00 PM
#462:


"You think I'm a freak? Let me get on your level."

or

"Let me demonstrate Hammer Diplomacy."

or

"I hear soft things."

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Lopen
07/19/11 6:19:00 PM
#463:


Yorick's > Soft > Hammer > Freak

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Lopen
07/19/11 6:19:00 PM
#464:


Although as always my vote goes to WHO NEEDS A MAP!?

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 6:48:00 PM
#465:


"Watch your mouth kid, or you'll find yourself respawning at home!"

still support that one

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Biolizard28
07/19/11 6:50:00 PM
#466:


Let's try something simple, yet effective.

... "Bang!"

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Lopen
07/19/11 7:00:00 PM
#467:


Crossing's is the winner

But it's too big.

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Gwindor
07/19/11 8:09:00 PM
#468:


"Time tick ticks, away"

Best Orianna quote

Also: Remove my entire list of champions played. I don't feel it's meaningful anymore.

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 9:26:00 PM
#469:


"Next time, try to leave a dent."

Leona has some decent quotes.

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red13n
07/19/11 9:38:00 PM
#470:


Add Akali to my list.

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Peace___Frog
07/19/11 10:12:00 PM
#471:


"EXTERMINATE. EXTERMINATE."

gets my vote

(Blitzcrank doesn't have many, tbqh)

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Anagram
07/19/11 10:29:00 PM
#472:


Just imagine if I was using a REAL weapon

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IngmarBirdman
07/19/11 11:03:00 PM
#473:


For the new topic.

IngmarBirdman ~ ImaJunkyoBell
[ Dr. Mundo, Lee Sin, Ryze, Tristana ]


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Articuno2001
07/19/11 11:12:00 PM
#474:


add me in next topic
Articuno2001 ~ Arctic Cress
[Annie, Master Yi]

still trying out the new rotation right now

edit: copying format of the post after mine

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KanzarisKelshen
07/19/11 11:32:00 PM
#475:


That'd be "Imagine if I had a REAL weapon", actually. But eh, whatever works. Anyway, topic going up soonish. I wanted to use JC's quote, but it was too long. :(

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Justin_Crossing
07/19/11 11:35:00 PM
#476:


just do League of Legends 21

who needs "topic" when you can have a boss quote

nvm still too long lol

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red13n
07/20/11 1:38:00 AM
#477:


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/59782767

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Peace___Frog
07/20/11 12:40:00 PM
#478:


has J_C beaten OoT yet?

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SpeedYoshi
07/20/11 4:50:00 PM
#479:


hm, been slacking on this topic

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Peace___Frog
07/21/11 10:54:00 AM
#480:


so uh

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SpeedYoshi
07/22/11 2:55:00 PM
#481:


ww best character

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SpeedYoshi
07/22/11 2:55:00 PM
#482:


yep

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Peace___Frog
07/22/11 7:47:00 PM
#483:


keep 'er goin'

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Peace___Frog
07/24/11 10:02:00 PM
#484:


and going

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 7:12:00 AM
#485:


Y'know, I guess it's really not that important to get this to 500. If I'd just let the purge eat this, no one wouldve cared!

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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 7:20:00 AM
#486:


that's a lie

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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 7:21:00 AM
#487:


ok maybe not a lie

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 7:34:00 AM
#488:


:D

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 9:40:00 AM
#489:


nothing is imba

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Peace___Frog
07/25/11 11:04:00 AM
#490:


so close

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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 6:50:00 PM
#491:


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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 6:51:00 PM
#492:


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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 6:52:00 PM
#493:


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SpeedYoshi
07/25/11 6:52:00 PM
#494:


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