Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 20 - "Do you wanna play? It'll be fun."

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 3:48:00 AM
#151:


voltch posted...
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I need to shop a version of that for my national soccer shirt. Would totally buy it if that were the case!

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 3:50:00 AM
#152:


Also, Leona core:

-Lucidity Boots
-Miracle or Flairblade
-Visage or FH based on enemy team
-Atmogs times thirty.

Feelin' pretty good about this build - maybe it ain't perfect, but it's close enough.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 9:00:00 AM
#153:


Oh hey, so the trick to doublecasting got found. If you smartcast conespells really fast, you can deal double damage with them reliably. Time to deal 500 damage with Morde with a singe E tap! :D

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Biolizard28
07/14/11 9:13:00 AM
#154:


Time to cheat until it gets patched, you mean.

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Gwindor
07/14/11 9:33:00 AM
#155:


I'm not a super big fan Lucidity boots. It's the most expensive CDR in the game by a long shot.

Any reason to get them over glacial shroud or kindlegem?

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Biolizard28
07/14/11 9:33:00 AM
#156:


Also

Justin_Crossing posted...
Anyways, I feel Leona is a really great champion in concept, but even though it feels like she should, she has literally no burst and cannot do anything on her own. She has to rely on other people to kill for her. You are not going to be winning any 1v1s as Leona any time soon, and that's a huge issue. I think sunlight has to be retooled to be more useful to Leona herself, and not just her team. She's a teamfight monster but definitely not good in any kind of brawl.

Um, you really can't ask more from a tank other than to be a teamfight monster and an amazing support. Even if Leona can't last on her own, she's not supposed to be on her own in the first place.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 9:33:00 AM
#157:


Biolizard28 posted...
Time to cheat until it gets patched, you mean.

I'm still waiting for Siphon to have values that are better than an autoattack. I consider this compensation for the Morde nerfs, and damn right I'm gonna abuse it. What do you think happened with the Double Tempest glitch? Or the super-old Double Rockets?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 9:35:00 AM
#158:


Gwindor posted...
I'm not a super big fan Lucidity boots. It's the most expensive CDR in the game by a long shot.

Any reason to get them over glacial shroud or kindlegem?


Slot efficiency basically. Assuming you start with 9/0/21 and the 6% CDR blue setup, Visage + Reverie or Shroud plus Visage is perfectly workable, I just don't want to waste a slot on even more armor when I could be using it for another warmogs or a triforce.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 9:35:00 AM
#159:


Also, JC needs to build Triforce and stop crying about Leona having no kill power.

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07/14/11 9:35:00 AM
#160:


People are saying that Warmogs on Leona is a bad decision because it's so expensive and she has no ability to farm. Is that true?

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 10:52:00 AM
#161:


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People are saying that Warmogs on Leona is a bad decision because it's so expensive and she has no ability to farm. Is that true?

People are dumb and forget she an explodey PBAOE and a line AoE. She has no problem farming creeps at all.

PS: Also, that she farms champions like a boss if your teammate isn't really stupid.

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Achromatic
07/14/11 10:54:00 AM
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I do not like Leona's farm very much btw. Only played her once but early on she can be harassed. bot by a good ad carry. The problem with Leona is she doesn't fit the meta game very well right now, in the early game at least. Her passive makes her so good in a duo but meta suggests going top.

Anyway need to play her more, but warmogs might be viable on her with all of that armor/mr she gets.

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/11 10:55:00 AM
#163:


kan do you level Q last

because her spells still aren't great for farming anyways. sure you can work around it (i've been getting a lot better at it), but her W still leaves you needing two hits to kill the minion, and E only hits 220 at max rank so you're still having to blow two spells to have any semblance of farm other than well-timed last hits early.

but yeah i usually go w > q >e for max out order

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HeroicGammaRay
07/14/11 11:01:00 AM
#164:


yeah what chris said she wants a partner but she's not doing much to a support/carry lane. granted i've only seen bad leonas so far but
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Silverliner182V
07/14/11 11:02:00 AM
#165:


i have lost the past two or three ranked games because someone had to pick leona

stop playing her in ranked. even tank malzahar or tank annie are better initiators than leona. and they would still have more damage/cc

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/11 11:02:00 AM
#166:


That reminds me. Using W to farm in a duo lane bot just makes your teammate farm easier, since ideally you're with an AD carry or something, but then they just steal your farm because of the passive and how their last hits become that much easier to get.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 11:02:00 AM
#167:


No, I actually level Q first! I just max W second and make sure to nail the caster creeps with it. This means I get three nearly guaranteed lasthits.

I do not like Leona's farm very much btw. Only played her once but early on she can be harassed. bot by a good ad carry. The problem with Leona is she doesn't fit the meta game very well right now, in the early game at least. Her passive makes her so good in a duo but meta suggests going top.

Anyway need to play her more, but warmogs might be viable on her with all of that armor/mr she gets.


Good thing this means she precipitates a metagame change! It's unused champions that cause strategies to change, so just screw the metagame, find a way to turn it on its head (AKA bully the crap out of that carry and feed your own kills while your jungler watches over the botlane in the pre-oracles phase like a botlane Urgot), and dominate with her. Always fun to blindside people with a new trick!

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Achromatic
07/14/11 11:03:00 AM
#168:


No JC that's called pushing the lane stupidly and getting ganked while your carry is overextended without a healer.

That's just a bad thought, JC.

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Achromatic
07/14/11 11:05:00 AM
#169:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #167
No, I actually level Q first! I just max W second and make sure to nail the caster creeps with it. This means I get three nearly guaranteed lasthits.

I do not like Leona's farm very much btw. Only played her once but early on she can be harassed. bot by a good ad carry. The problem with Leona is she doesn't fit the meta game very well right now, in the early game at least. Her passive makes her so good in a duo but meta suggests going top.

Anyway need to play her more, but warmogs might be viable on her with all of that armor/mr she gets.


Good thing this means she precipitates a metagame change! It's unused champions that cause strategies to change, so just screw the metagame, find a way to turn it on its head (AKA bully the crap out of that carry and feed your own kills while your jungler watches over the botlane in the pre-oracles phase like a botlane Urgot), and dominate with her. Always fun to blindside people with a new trick!


She's not strong enough early to take on, say, corki/soraka. She can be paired with other champions to be that strong but there are only a few out there (Garen as an example is a sweet anti soraka usually) but part of the problem is she can't go ad carry/herself vs support/ad. She won't win. So this sends your ad carry vs an ap carry which is not a good matchup usually.

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/11 11:07:00 AM
#170:


From: Achromatic | #168
No JC that's called pushing the lane stupidly and getting ganked while your carry is overextended without a healer.

That's just a bad thought, JC.


pfffft i'm talking about after i've gotten first blood off the enemy ashe (this happened) also there was a ward

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07/14/11 11:09:00 AM
#171:


I'm far from the best player around, but doesn't Leona have absolutely no damage? I mean, we're talking Shen-like damage. Sure, she's a huge pain to kill, but after she uses her spells, which all have fairly beefy CDs, she's about as dangerous as a minion wave.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 11:10:00 AM
#172:


I disagree there. Lux + Lona = "outta my lane *****" because your opposition is so massively outranged AND easy to burst down. Similarly, Leona + Kayle is seriously scary because they combine to pin an enemy down, strike him for massive damage, and remain nigh-unharrassable at any reasonable range. it just requires a little creativity and a jungler willing to babysit bot, which is the hardest part of it.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 11:12:00 AM
#173:


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I'm far from the best player around, but doesn't Leona have absolutely no damage? I mean, we're talking Shen-like damage. Sure, she's a huge pain to kill, but after she uses her spells, which all have fairly beefy CDs, she's about as dangerous as a minion wave.

Problem is that she also has completely gross amounts of CC. She just combos almost too well with anybody with a single decent CC because you will pin the enemy down for like four second if you time stuff properly. With Sheen as her first item she also deals really nasty damage with that staggered combo, to add insult to injury. She's a force multiplier and has to be played as such, thinking of her as a Sion or whatever is just plain wrong.

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HanOfTheNekos
07/14/11 11:28:00 AM
#174:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
I disagree there. Lux + Lona = "outta my lane *****" because your opposition is so massively outranged AND easy to burst down. Similarly, Leona + Kayle is seriously scary because they combine to pin an enemy down, strike him for massive damage, and remain nigh-unharrassable at any reasonable range. it just requires a little creativity and a jungler willing to babysit bot, which is the hardest part of it.

Sunlight + Luxlight hell yeah!

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TheConductorSix
07/14/11 11:48:00 AM
#175:


Anagram I've been wanting to try a Leona+Kayle lane for 24 hours now.

Let's do this. The second you mark someone I'm coming with the Q for SPLOSION TIME

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07/14/11 11:58:00 AM
#176:


TheConductorSix posted...
Anagram I've been wanting to try a Leona+Kayle lane for 24 hours now.

Let's do this. The second you mark someone I'm coming with the Q for SPLOSION TIME


I could do that, but I'm not 100% certain on this hotel's internet being perfect. I've only risked one non-bot game so far at this hotel. Are you willing to risk it?



By the way, guys, how is Soraka compared to Sona? I always get annoyed at fighting her because her heals are so powerful and her annoying starcall damage, but I haven't actually tried her.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 12:07:00 PM
#177:


TheConductorSix posted...
Anagram I've been wanting to try a Leona+Kayle lane for 24 hours now.

Let's do this. The second you mark someone I'm coming with the Q for SPLOSION TIME



I'm cheering for you guys here. If that lane doesn't knock it out of the park (assuming you ain't up against Xin + Alistar or something lulzy like that), I'll be very surprised. Lemme know how it goes!

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 12:09:00 PM
#178:


Anagram posted...
TheConductorSix posted...
Anagram I've been wanting to try a Leona+Kayle lane for 24 hours now.

Let's do this. The second you mark someone I'm coming with the Q for SPLOSION TIME

I could do that, but I'm not 100% certain on this hotel's internet being perfect. I've only risked one non-bot game so far at this hotel. Are you willing to risk it?



By the way, guys, how is Soraka compared to Sona? I always get annoyed at fighting her because her heals are so powerful and her annoying starcall damage, but I haven't actually tried her.


Way more boring and about as effective. Soraka is very very reactive, but easy to play.

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Lopen
07/14/11 12:14:00 PM
#179:


Sona's a lot easier to get in range of her Hymn of Valor and Power Chord than Soraka is to get in range of Starcall, so it's easier to play Sona as not strict support and actually contribute some offense. That makes her a lot more fun for me.

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Biolizard28
07/14/11 1:40:00 PM
#180:


Wait, LoL is compatible with Windows XP?

I have a desktop that will never run the game in a million years, but at least would allow me to open the client and buy MF while she's on sale.

I can rest easy.

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 1:42:00 PM
#181:


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Why the eff would it not be? I've been running it on XP forever. :-/

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red13n
07/14/11 1:47:00 PM
#182:


Sona's a lot easier to get in range of her Hymn of Valor and Power Chord than Soraka is to get in range of Starcall, so it's easier to play Sona as not strict support and actually contribute some offense.

If you are taking Starcall on Soraka you are doing it wrong.

Also you harass with her excellent autoattack animation and her E.

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Biolizard28
07/14/11 1:49:00 PM
#183:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
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Why the eff would it not be? I've been running it on XP forever. :-/


Poorly equipped. I do have a graphics card that I bought to be able to play TF2 at absolute minimum settings, so maybe I can do it. I'll definitely try... for Cassiopeia.

Not touching PvP, though. Just in case.

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TheConductorSix
07/14/11 4:34:00 PM
#184:


Nothing is more frightening then seeing Soraka+Corki bottom lane and knowing you aren't going to be able to do anything about it.

He never goes back. She never goes back. The second he hits 6 you get poked to hell.

I hate Soraka. I hate her so much.

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07/14/11 5:09:00 PM
#185:


Is Vayne worth considering for me? I like her and I like her playstyle, but I already own multiple ranged AD carries.

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HeroicGammaRay
07/14/11 5:14:00 PM
#186:


my 2004 desktop with xp runs the game just fine
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Biolizard28
07/14/11 6:26:00 PM
#187:


And so does mine, apparently. Strange, TF2 just crashed on it. I'll try a bot game tomorrow, and it's a little slow in custom, but it's good enough for now. At least I can buy Miss Fortune.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/14/11 6:30:00 PM
#188:


Achromatic posted...
I do not like Leona's farm very much btw. Only played her once but early on she can be harassed. bot by a good ad carry. The problem with Leona is she doesn't fit the meta game very well right now, in the early game at least. Her passive makes her so good in a duo but meta suggests going top.



This sounds right to me. It is difficult to work anything but a healer down bottom with the AD carry right now because how do you stand up against THEIR healer/AD when you try? Janna works because she can shield the damage as a sort of preemptive heal, the other "supporty" champs with no heals tend to not measure up down there.

But to me it begs the question I've been dying to know, how fast is Leona's jungle? How long does it take her to clear the first wave and how safely can she do it?

Her skill set sounds like it would make for some amazing ganks out of the jungle, especially if she can keep relatively pace with some of the other big junglers.



Also if you are going to send her top in a "real" team line up, I would suggest packing teleport.

When Malz runs TP then enemy team knows whats going to happen at level 6, but with a TP on Leona you could arrange for level 3 TP ganks bottom that should be amazing.

Just some musings though. I probably wont have too much change to play before I take off on Monday (too much to do still) and then I'll be gone for 2 weeks. I hope the game doesn't change too much by the time I'm back ^_^

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KanzarisKelshen
07/14/11 6:42:00 PM
#189:


Her jungle is pathetic. 7 minutes to 6 and without a leash she has no speed. She's intended to be bot, period. Whether that fits the meta or not isn't really important because she doesn't work elsewhere.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/14/11 6:42:00 PM
#190:


obviously she should have a good leash.

And with a "strong" leash (such as the kind GP needs for golem) she could try items other than the generic armor+pots.

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07/14/11 8:04:00 PM
#191:


Stonewall's at 4:10 with a ridiculously strong leash. AND you have to build her runes/masteries as non-tank. In comparison, AD Xin with no leash finishes at 3:55 (though he does have to consume an extra pot). Leona's just a poor jungle, as I noted a topic or two ago.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/14/11 8:09:00 PM
#192:


A topic or two? she wasn't even released yet a topic or two ago <_<

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07/14/11 8:12:00 PM
#193:


We knew the stats a while ago and I clearly remember remarking "lol what? Good jungle because of Eclipse? It's worse than lvl 1 DBC at lvl 2!", except not in such a jerk-face way. And that was the first post I made in this topic, so it couldn't have been this topic.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/14/11 8:14:00 PM
#194:


eh, it's still something I'd like to toy around with. I certainly thing it suits her better than solo top or something.

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Lopen
07/14/11 8:36:00 PM
#195:


From: red13n | #182
Sona's a lot easier to get in range of her Hymn of Valor and Power Chord than Soraka is to get in range of Starcall, so it's easier to play Sona as not strict support and actually contribute some offense.

If you are taking Starcall on Soraka you are doing it wrong.

Also you harass with her excellent autoattack animation and her E.


Though I will fully admit I have no idea what I'm doing with Soraka, are you saying that it is in fact easy to get in range of Starcall or that I shouldn't be thinking about "contributing offense" as Soraka.

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HanOfTheNekos
07/14/11 9:10:00 PM
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red13n
07/14/11 9:12:00 PM
#197:


Your primary offense is your silence. Getting that in the right place at the right time(IE FD should silence fiddlesticks AFTER he starts his life drain cast, not before he starts the cast) is more important than anything offensively.

In the laning phase, you shouldnt even be learning starcall(You should probably not pick up the skill until both E and W are maxed, even). Your best harass is with autoattacks and E.

And most of the time, you shouldnt be thinking about getting in range to Starcall in a teamfight. Thats generally not safe.

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Lopen
07/14/11 9:22:00 PM
#198:


Okay. That's actually what I thought. I still get Starcall on her fairly early anyway (though not first) because it's more fun to play her like that, but on the other hand I never pick Soraka when I'm out to win either.

But yeah I wasn't saying what was good strategy I was just saying that's why I find Sona more fun. Since I can go blasty and not suck.

I also realize now I misread your post at first. I dunno what I thought you said but yeah it was pretty obvious what you meant after reading it again.

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07/14/11 9:32:00 PM
#199:


God, I just played a horrible game as MF. It didn't help that my constant lag caused me to run into enemies more than once and make it impossible to time Make It Rain without extremely good prediction (I managed it a few times, but squandered it several more times), but we would have lost anyway (1-10-3 Leona on our side).

This has also made me realize that I won almost every game as Waterloo Miss Fortune, but I've lost every single Secret Agent Miss Fortune game. I don't know what's up with that.

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Lopen
07/14/11 11:47:00 PM
#200:


So I tried another game as Vayne and won, actually building AD items instead of starting with Elisa's Miracle. I went 12/11/14 which was a marked improvement from the first time I tried her. To be fair, I was the second best score (amusingly, when we were losing early the whole team was blaming me because the other 4 were arranged) on our team-- pretty bad team except an Ez who carried us. We also had no tank which was fun.

Anyway, I think I built all the wrong crap, though. I went Ghostblade->Banshee's->Bloodthirster->Cleaver. Thinking the Ghostblade was a bad move there.

Any tips on builds/what to max first? I mean it probably won't matter since I probably won't buy her but she's kinda fun when I have any sort of idea what I'm doing.

Imagine if I had more than an idea!

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