Board 8 > What four games are on the Mario Games Mount Rushmore?

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 3:41:00 PM
#151:


Waluigi1 posted...
They're bad Mario games though. That should definitely be a factor.
nsmb1 is not a bad game by any metric and the others are extremely fun if you have friends with you
Multiplayer absolutely changes these games for the better

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TomNook
03/10/24 3:41:34 PM
#152:


Ifrit posted...
Super Mario Brothers
Super Mario Brothers 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64


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ZenOfThunder
03/10/24 3:42:16 PM
#153:


oh baby we are racing to a record post count

thank you mario

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Waluigi1
03/10/24 3:42:40 PM
#154:


Bad Mario games.

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VengefulKaelee
03/10/24 3:45:32 PM
#155:


Donkey Kong
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8
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Zylothewolf
03/10/24 3:45:43 PM
#156:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8

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Kenri
03/10/24 3:54:14 PM
#157:


Donkey Kong Country 2
Dr. Mario
Mario Galaxy
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out

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hylianknight3
03/10/24 3:57:56 PM
#158:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario

Gotta give Paper Mario a vote as the game that made me create my first GameFAQs account.

Putting any NSMB game anywhere near this Rushmore is the maddeningly absurd opinion since calling extra cheese a pizza topping.


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ZenOfThunder
03/10/24 4:00:55 PM
#159:


Kenri posted...
Donkey Kong Country 2

when I said "DK counts" I meant literally the game "Donkey Kong" and not the franchise

I'll allow Punch-Out though just because I don't think anyone else will vote for it

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pezzicle
03/10/24 4:00:57 PM
#160:


World
3
64
galaxy

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MrSmartGuy
03/10/24 4:08:42 PM
#161:


SMB
SM64
Paper Mario
Mario Golf

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Venixon
03/10/24 4:09:51 PM
#162:


Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario Bros 2
Super Mario World
Super Mario Odyssey

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LightningStrikes
03/10/24 4:15:09 PM
#163:


I think Mario Kart 8 is pretty inescapable, whenever I talk to anybody who doesnt play that many games but gets a Switch, they always go to Mario Kart 8. And having played both SSBU and MK8 in party settings, MK8 definitely goes down better with the more casual crowd. Also getting an attach rate of over 40% on what is likely to become the highest selling system of all time is just absurd.

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junk_funk
03/10/24 4:20:55 PM
#164:


  • Super Mario Brothers
  • Super Mario 64
  • Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
  • Super Mario Galaxy

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ZenOfThunder
03/10/24 4:20:57 PM
#165:


Theres very limited occasions where I interact with kids but the only three times ever I let a kid use my switch all three IMMEDIATELY freaked out that I didnt have MK8. Like they could not comprehend me not having it


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lordjers
03/10/24 4:23:37 PM
#166:


ZenOfThunder posted...
Theres very limited occasions where I interact with kids but the only three times ever I let a kid use my switch all three IMMEDIATELY freaked out that I didnt have MK8. Like they could not comprehend me not having it

That also happened with Mario Kart 64.

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LightningStrikes
03/10/24 4:33:27 PM
#167:


Theres also the fact that, even adjusting for the size of the gaming audience at the time, not that many people had an N64. 8 is much more prevalent, not just looking at raw numbers.

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Ifrit
03/10/24 4:40:54 PM
#168:


ZenOfThunder posted...
thank you mario

But our princess is in another castle

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Lopen
03/10/24 4:41:07 PM
#169:


lordjers posted...
That also happened with Mario Kart 64.

Speaking as someone who lived through that era as a kid with many gaming friends

No it did not (though Mario Kart 64 was a popular party game there were a ton of them back then)

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Lopen
03/10/24 4:42:56 PM
#170:


Although as an adult who has people bring kids to my house sometimes they play Smash more than MK8 so not sure I vouch for either

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lordjers
03/10/24 4:43:30 PM
#171:


Lopen posted...
Speaking as someone who lived through that era as a kid with many gaming friends

No it did not (though Mario Kart 64 was a popular party game there were a ton of them back then)

It was Mario Kart 64 and GoldenEye. Everything else varied.

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Mega_Mana
03/10/24 5:22:32 PM
#172:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
New Super Mario Bros. Wii

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HaRRicH
03/10/24 5:38:47 PM
#173:


SMB1
SMW
SM64
MK8D

SM64 is the only one you can't go without. I can see subbing out...

  • SMB1 for SMB3 or DK
  • SMW for SMB3 or SMG
  • MK8D for several different games really


...but SM64 is safe.

Also, New Mario-anything we've seen from that side-series so far ain't ever getting in. They just aren't good enough yet for this conversation and Mario fans sniffed that out a long time ago. Even the Wii-game came out well after Brawl and Mario Kart Wii came out nearly back-to-back -- that was the turning point for the Wii, and NSMBW was on the wrong side of those release dates.

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tazzyboyishere
03/10/24 5:42:23 PM
#174:


Lopen posted...
I'd probably sooner call Smash games Kirby spinoff games than Mario spinoff games (I wouldn't call them that either)
Mario Bros. is a spinoff of Donkey Kong

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03/10/24 6:00:19 PM
#190:


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firefdr
03/10/24 6:07:22 PM
#175:


Mario 3
Mario Galaxy
Mario Odyssey
Mario RPG
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KanzarisKelshen
03/10/24 6:09:42 PM
#176:


SMB1
SM64

First two are easy. Last two, not so much. SMB1 saved gaming, and it should really be an unanimous inclusion as a simple measure of respect for the most important game of all time. SM64 changed gaming, and while it's ok if not everyone has it in their lists, it just makes sense in the same way the first iconic coloured film should prolly be on a movies Rushmore. After that it gets difficult. SMB3 was huge, SMW was huge, but like...all Mario games are huge. The two SMB2 combined sold over 10 million copies without ever being pack-in games (which unambiguously helped SMB3 sell 18m). Sales, I think, are not enough when evaluating which Marios deserve to get the nod over others. I feel like, more than any other videogame series, Mario games have to be evaluated by their impact on other games, and not just their own franchise. Given that, I kinda lean away from SMB3 and SMW. Can anyone say that they really changed the course of platformers in a way SMB1 didn't? So the question is...what Mario games had the most outsized impact? My gut says there should be one rep for 'casual' or 'party' gaming, which means either a Mario Kart or a Mario Party game, but the last slot is difficult to settle on. What do you guys think is the third most game-changing Mario game after 1 and 64?

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 6:16:23 PM
#177:


Mario 3 and World's influence on platformers is so pervasive that you probably don't even think about it or you consider it "standard Mario stuff" because those games standardized it.

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LightningStrikes
03/10/24 6:34:57 PM
#178:


LightningStrikes posted...
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Odyssey
Mario Kart 8

Bros and 64 are self-explanatory. Odyssey should be on there both as a recent representative and the way it dominated the cultural consciousness in a way Super Mario hadnt since 64. Its also the highest selling 3D game by a lot. Mario Kart 8, well

Mario Kart 8 is Marios best selling game. Has sold 69 million copies and is still one of the highest selling games each year.

Change Odyssey to New Super Mario Bros Wii. May as well commit!

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StifledSilence
03/10/24 7:08:33 PM
#179:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario RPG
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 7:36:23 PM
#180:


ok fine swap Donkey Kong to New Super Mario Bros Wii

KanzarisKelshen posted...
What do you guys think is the third most game-changing Mario game after 1 and 64?
I think under the logic like this, it's NSMB Wii for adding simultaneous multiplayer, which drastically changes how Mario games afterward would be made and played.

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Paratroopa1
03/10/24 7:36:59 PM
#181:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
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colliding
03/10/24 7:40:16 PM
#182:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64


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Bostich2
03/10/24 7:56:08 PM
#183:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64

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Joelypoely
03/10/24 7:57:14 PM
#184:


Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Mario Party DS
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Mario Odyssey

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BlueCrystalTear
03/10/24 8:16:11 PM
#185:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario Bros 3
Super Mario World
Mario Kart 64

The first three firmly established Mario as Nintendo's mascot, so I really don't see a reason to exclude any of them. Then it was a matter of picking the spinoff game that most cemented Mario's versatility. I am not as high on 64 as most people - I feel like Banjo-Kazooie did a lot of things better than it just a short time later - and while it's a lot of people's favorite, I don't see a reason to put it above any of the four I included.

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Seanchan
03/10/24 8:50:30 PM
#186:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I am not as high on 64 as most people - I feel like Banjo-Kazooie did a lot of things better than it just a short time later - and while it's a lot of people's favorite, I don't see a reason to put it above any of the four I included.

While I agree B-K > 64, the impact of 64 cannot be denied, which is why it should make a Mt Rushmore.

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Wanglicious
03/10/24 8:51:34 PM
#187:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

game that started it.
game that moved it to 3D.
game that revived the series in 2D.
literally one of the best selling games year over year over the past almost decade and represents spinoffs better than anything.

really is impossible to deny NSMB as a success story. it's weird seeing as much fighting over it, fact is that's what redefined 2D Mario again and it has the numbers to prove it. hell you can even use time as the measurement - the list of new 2D Mario games goes from World in 1990 all the way to 2006 with the DS NSMB. Wii version comes out 3 years later and sets the standard. that is a 16 year gap. the DS didn't quite do what Miyamoto wanted it to do but the Wii one did and it's how the game is played now. 2D Mario was straight up dead until that series came up and the most influential entry is the Wii one. which is funny because 2D Mario proved, with that series, to outsell its 3D counterpart with ease.

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SeabassDebeste
03/10/24 8:52:12 PM
#188:


don't have enough experience to comment but very interested in this thread's discussion

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SeabassDebeste
03/10/24 8:53:11 PM
#189:


also congrats on the job @ZenOfThunder!

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ctesjbuvf
03/10/24 9:00:11 PM
#191:


Calling 2D Mario dead up until that point is super misleading. I mean, I see what you're trying to say but it makes it sound like it hadn't sold or been good for a while, they were still super beloved and played. Whole industry was working with 3D for that first decade of it where it evolved a lot. That was the focus, we probably don't get 2D Mario remakes on GBA otherwise but those also sold fine. It's not like it was super impressive to make 2D Mario appealing and honestly, slapping New on the title and calling a day shows how much they knew the strong foundation they had.

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 9:02:57 PM
#192:


Yeah, 2-D Mario wasn't "dead."

If it was actually dead, NSMB wouldn't have revived it because it wasn't good enough to do that.

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ctesjbuvf
03/10/24 9:06:17 PM
#193:


Change answer to

Mario 1
Mario 3
World
64

It just feels most right. The case is there for some other things, mostly those that draw on more recent casual appeal, but casual gamers are also many more than back then. SMB is self-explanatory and the others are the ones we still argue over which is the best one.

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jcgamer107
03/10/24 9:07:59 PM
#194:


Aw what. Fine I'll wait for SM64 stages.

Super Mario 64
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
Super Mario Bros. 3

Getting married to the drowning theme would be pretty perfect

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SeabassDebeste
03/10/24 9:50:24 PM
#195:


so my instinct was SMB1/3/world/64 and my biggest doubt there was whether to remove 3/world for another entry. fairly surprised to see that mario kart qualifies.

anyway pretty clear decision here

super smash bros melee
chrono trigger
super mario bros
donkey kong 64

i have no actual vote

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Wanglicious
03/10/24 9:56:41 PM
#196:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Calling 2D Mario dead up until that point is super misleading. I mean, I see what you're trying to say but it makes it sound like it hadn't sold or been good for a while, they were still super beloved and played.

there were literally no new games in that time period, everything was a port.
if it was any other series what else would we call that?

like if we had FF1-6, then no new FF games for 16 years but just a bunch of ports, would you not say it's dead? that's just the reality of how little there was in that category. it was all 3D, ports, and nothing more until NSMB.

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ctesjbuvf
03/10/24 9:59:01 PM
#197:


It just doesn't at that time make sense to talk about 2D Mario and 3D Mario as two different things. The franchise was very much alive (sure Sunshine wasn't the strongest but yeah). It just evolved with the industry which at one point included a transition to 3D.

That's at least how I see it.

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Leonhart4
03/10/24 9:59:54 PM
#198:


We didn't say FF was dead during the wait for FFXV

I'd only say something is dead if there's no hope for a new title, and 2-D Mario didn't fit that bill

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Great_Paul
03/10/24 10:00:26 PM
#199:


Super Mario Bros
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario Kart 8

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KanzarisKelshen
03/10/24 10:03:36 PM
#200:


Leonhart4 posted...
We didn't say FF was dead during the wait for FFXV

I'd only say something is dead if there's no hope for a new title, and 2-D Mario didn't fit that bill

The franchise was absolutely buried until 7R dropped tho, as a referential entity in the RPG world. It wasn't dead in terms of new games (a better comparison here would be megaman, tbqh), but it was completely destroyed critically by the one-two punch of FF13 and FF15 until XIV Shadowbringers and 7R dropped to prove that Final Fantasy had found its groove again.

Anyway, I'm convinced. Restating my previous two picks with the new ones for clarity...

SMB1
SMB64
New Super Mario Bros Wii
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

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