Board 8 > What four games are on the Mario Games Mount Rushmore?

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LiquidOshawott
03/10/24 10:09:37 PM
#201:


Are all you NSMB Wii voters clamoring for a switch port

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notdave
03/10/24 10:11:51 PM
#202:


SMB
SMB3
SMW
Super Mario 64

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PunishedJeezy
03/10/24 10:21:14 PM
#203:


Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Super Mario Galaxy


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Hbthebattle
03/10/24 11:14:41 PM
#204:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Are all you NSMB Wii voters clamoring for a switch port
Alright if the answer is "things people want to be ported" I want to see your Galaxy 2 vote

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MacArrowny
03/10/24 11:17:13 PM
#205:


Hbthebattle posted...
Alright if the answer is "things people want to be ported" I want to see your Galaxy 2 vote
Most of the other picks are on Switch!

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Mythiot
03/10/24 11:21:22 PM
#206:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Galaxy
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Yesmar_
03/10/24 11:41:25 PM
#207:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64

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LiquidOshawott
03/10/24 11:43:12 PM
#208:


Hbthebattle posted...
Alright if the answer is "things people want to be ported" I want to see your Galaxy 2 vote

well its more if you think it had such a strong footprint you should yearn for the opportunity to replay it

if we just went off of sales, then Lion King 2019 would make a Disney Rushmore and Lion King 1994 wouldnt, but nobody would think that way because the former doesnt have the same footprint the latter did.

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skulltrumpets
03/11/24 12:15:01 AM
#209:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8

Kind of wish there would be a second Rushmore for spinoffs only. It hurts not to include TTYD even though I can't justify including it.

I do not get the NSMB love especially compared to the Galaxy games. And yet that was the one that got discussions lol if I didn't feel like MK had to be represented I would put Galaxy 1 in its place.

I asked my girlfriend her opinion on the poll, partially because I feel like weddings should be planned by both parties and partially because she's a big Sonic fan. The Drowning music option made her laugh a lot, but she ended up going with Live and Learn. LaL was my second choice initially, but I voted for it because it's an option we are both happy with ^^; Bring on more scenarios like this, it made me laugh.
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WhiteLens
03/11/24 12:52:53 AM
#210:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Are all you NSMB Wii voters clamoring for a switch port

I would gladly have a port/remake of NSMB1, 2, and Wii if it means having them on not dead systems.

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Nanis23
03/11/24 1:02:06 AM
#211:


Leonhart4 posted...
Mario 1
Mario 3
Mario World
Mario 64

Easy


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Wanglicious
03/11/24 3:14:09 AM
#212:


NSMB2 is on the Switch, with full YEAR OF LUIGI edition. the DS and Wii ones haven't been ported yet but that seems like an obvious triple pack for the successor which should totally happen.

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KanzarisKelshen
03/11/24 3:28:14 AM
#213:


Yeah I feel like 'why didn't you ask for a port' doesn't apply when a successor game exists and is recent

Or in this case, multiple ones!

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Leonhart4
03/11/24 3:40:05 AM
#214:


Because nobody cares, Sean

Nobody cares

And nobody has to ask for ports of the big four because they get ported to every Nintendo thing now

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LightningStrikes
03/11/24 7:00:44 AM
#215:


Leonhart4 posted...
Yeah, 2-D Mario wasn't "dead."

If it was actually dead, NSMB wouldn't have revived it because it wasn't good enough to do that.

This is an absolutely wild take. Are we just pretending that the first two NSMB games werent widely acclaimed by critics and the general audience now.

Leonhart4 posted...
Because nobody cares, Sean

Nobody cares

And nobody has to ask for ports of the big four because they get ported to every Nintendo thing now

I mean the massive success of U Deluxe would disprove this. A Wii remaster would do extremely well on Switch. There is a lot of love for New Super Mario Bros Wii out there.

As for Final Fantasy, its a very different situation for that series but one that does highlight the value of breakout games like New Super Mario Bros Wii. The fact is FF is a series that has heavily declined. Its been hard carried by the MMOs for years. Even 7R only (partially) turned the series fortunes around critically, the broader brand picture is still one of decline. I dont know if its bern discussed in the Rebirth topic because Im not going in there until I finish it, but the early Rebirth sales data is not good. The series simply failed to stay in the public consciousness when the gaming audience was expanding and got lost in the shuffle (and the Playstation exclusivity isnt helping).

Which is really what New Super Mario Bros Wii achieved. The fact is, Sunshine did not do what it was supposed to and it looked like Super Mario (ie the main series) was falling behind other Nintendo top dogs like Smash and Pokmon. The GBA ports also sold well but didnt do top flight numbers. Galaxy did better, but the attach rate wasnt great (I believe the worst for a first entry). It was New Super Mario Bros Wii that turned it around at a really pivotal moment in gaming history. And if you dont get that moment you wind up where FF is now, making some great games but clearly fallen from where you used to be.

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LiquidOshawott
03/11/24 7:04:47 AM
#216:


Wanglicious posted...
NSMB2 is on the Switch, with full YEAR OF LUIGI edition. the DS and Wii ones haven't been ported yet but that seems like an obvious triple pack for the successor which should totally happen.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Yeah I feel like 'why didn't you ask for a port' doesn't apply when a successor game exists and is recent

Or in this case, multiple ones!

if there is a successor game that you all think outclasses it then why arent you voting for the successor game

especially if you are voting for MK8 Deluxe I dont know if the logic works other than Sales!

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LightningStrikes
03/11/24 7:08:47 AM
#217:


I mean for me I would make the same argument against World. I think Wii was the breakout and although U is the better game it wasnt as notable because it was just polishing and iterating on Wii.

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LiquidOshawott
03/11/24 7:14:22 AM
#218:


LightningStrikes posted...
I mean for me I would make the same argument against World. I think Wii was the breakout and although U is the better game it wasnt as notable because it was just polishing and iterating on Wii.

I just dont see any of the games having as much of a carbon footprint in the gaming industry as the big 4

If we did a Nintendo Mount Rushmore you would have to at least consider any of them. Especially with their respective consoles. Would NSMB Wii make the Wii Mount Rushmore? I actually dont think so.

actually lets nominate Wii games (system) lets find out

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LightningStrikes
03/11/24 7:25:21 AM
#219:


I dont even agree that thats a big 4. Maybe its a big 3 but I really dont see the case for both Bros 3 and World for the same reason you said. And yeah I agree, lets do it.

Nominate Games for the Wii.

Personally I would put New Super Mario Bros Wii at #3 on that list. The fourth spot is up for grabs but I would lean towards Super Smash Bros Brawl.

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LiquidOshawott
03/11/24 7:33:06 AM
#220:


I dont think there is a clear consensus that World > 3. Its like asking if Brawl is better than Melee.

In fact I am one of the 3 > World people!

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Leonhart4
03/11/24 7:35:03 AM
#221:


Galaxy 1 is still one of the highest rated games ever so it gets to be the Mario rep

Sorry NSMBWii you might be on the Mario Rushmore but you aren't on the Wii Rushmore. Tough break.

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LightningStrikes
03/11/24 7:39:14 AM
#222:


I mean at the risk of litigating the Wii Rushmore too early Im not sure about Galaxy given that 2 was as acclaimed and it just didnt make the splash you would think it would given the reception. I genuinely think this is a part of why Galaxy isnt as strong as other big contemporary Nintendo games or Odyssey in contests. It didnt actually feel as impactful as you would think. Truly excellent game btw, but surprisingly oft forgotten.

Edit: Though just to say, not downplaying Galaxy, it did a tremendous job at repairing the brand damage Sunshine did and re-established the series at the top level of critical reception. Its in contention!

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Bitto
03/11/24 7:47:23 AM
#223:


All you Mario Kart 8 voters better be voting for Just Dance when we do Wii Rushmore

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Leonhart4
03/11/24 7:57:28 AM
#224:


All right fine, we can have two Mario entries

Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2

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MacArrowny
03/11/24 8:59:12 AM
#225:


LightningStrikes posted...
Are we just pretending that the first two NSMB games werent widely acclaimed by critics
Their reviews were substantially worse than Sunshine's.

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LightningStrikes
03/11/24 9:08:36 AM
#226:


True (well, not really substantially) but so were review scores in general. In 2002 9s were handed out like candy because tech was valued so highly. You had Jeff Gerstmann giving Sunshine an 8 when he straight up didnt like the game because thats how the mathematical formula they used at the time worked out.

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Seanchan
03/11/24 9:09:13 AM
#227:


Maybe it's just my age and not growing up with and playing them over and over (like I did with 3 and World), but I have no recollection of any stages/worlds from the "New" games. I generally enjoyed them at the time, but it's really only the general look of the games that stuck with me.

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ctesjbuvf
03/11/24 9:23:00 AM
#228:


The fact that Galaxy 2 was as critically acclaimed as it was is super impressive considering it just polished level design.

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HaRRicH
03/11/24 10:27:15 AM
#229:


LiquidOshawott posted...
If we did a Nintendo Mount Rushmore you would have to at least consider any of them. Especially with their respective consoles. Would NSMB Wii make the Wii Mount Rushmore? I actually dont think so.

actually lets nominate Wii games (system) lets find out

Agreeing with this. Maybe NSMBW makes it on in a Rushmore-setting, but as far as Mario-favorites go I would predict it to be the third-favorite Mario game on the Wii. That's largely why I'm cynical about it being on a Mario-Rushmore if it's #3 among Mario games on just the Wii.

Open to the case I guess -- Summoning Salt did cover the game before, so it's got some sense of community. We'll see.

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hylianknight3
03/11/24 10:43:40 AM
#230:


Nominate Wii games

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KommunistKoala
03/11/24 11:36:11 AM
#231:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Galaxy

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Dancedreamer
03/11/24 11:36:32 AM
#232:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario 64

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Hbthebattle
03/11/24 11:47:47 AM
#233:


I dont think its a contradiction for someone to vote NSMB here but not on a Wii poll. Any NSMB vote is here to represent that era of Mario, which for a lot of people is THE default Mario. Its a lot more important for Mario than it is for the Wii.

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pjbasis
03/11/24 12:12:15 PM
#234:


Wanglicious posted...
NSMB2 is on the Switch, with full YEAR OF LUIGI edition.

You mean NSMBU right

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Raka_Putra
03/11/24 12:17:27 PM
#235:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario 64

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ZenOfThunder
03/11/24 12:46:52 PM
#236:


I started my new job and this guy has a bunch of Mario figures on his desk. It took every ounce of my willpower not to ask him what 4 games he thinks should be on the Mario Rushmore

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Waluigi1
03/11/24 12:47:41 PM
#237:


Do it!!

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Leonhart4
03/11/24 12:51:08 PM
#238:


ZenOfThunder posted...
I started my new job and this guy has a bunch of Mario figures on his desk. It took every ounce of my willpower not to ask him what 4 games he thinks should be on the Mario Rushmore

Willpower is overrated

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WhiteLens
03/11/24 12:54:28 PM
#239:


Wanglicious posted...
NSMB2 is on the Switch, with full YEAR OF LUIGI edition. the DS and Wii ones haven't been ported yet but that seems like an obvious triple pack for the successor which should totally happen.

Listen, I know that NSMB2 is considered the worst of the NSMB games, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/667819-new-super-mario-bros-2

ZenOfThunder posted...
I started my new job and this guy has a bunch of Mario figures on his desk. It took every ounce of my willpower not to ask him what 4 games he thinks should be on the Mario Rushmore

Ask him as an icebreaker question. Good way to get familiar with a fellow colleague.

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ZenOfThunder
03/11/24 12:56:02 PM
#240:


Just a heads up this topic is probably gonna take much longer to tally because of how big it is. I might make the next topic when I get home then tally later tonight when I wind down and post the results in the discussion topic

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Wanglicious
03/11/24 12:58:55 PM
#241:


i legit forgot it had a 3ds sequel.


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HaRRicH
03/11/24 1:15:21 PM
#242:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
SMB1
SM64

First two are easy. Last two, not so much. SMB1 saved gaming, and it should really be an unanimous inclusion as a simple measure of respect for the most important game of all time. SM64 changed gaming, and while it's ok if not everyone has it in their lists, it just makes sense in the same way the first iconic coloured film should prolly be on a movies Rushmore. After that it gets difficult. SMB3 was huge, SMW was huge, but like...all Mario games are huge. The two SMB2 combined sold over 10 million copies without ever being pack-in games (which unambiguously helped SMB3 sell 18m). Sales, I think, are not enough when evaluating which Marios deserve to get the nod over others. I feel like, more than any other videogame series, Mario games have to be evaluated by their impact on other games, and not just their own franchise. Given that, I kinda lean away from SMB3 and SMW. Can anyone say that they really changed the course of platformers in a way SMB1 didn't? So the question is...what Mario games had the most outsized impact? My gut says there should be one rep for 'casual' or 'party' gaming, which means either a Mario Kart or a Mario Party game, but the last slot is difficult to settle on. What do you guys think is the third most game-changing Mario game after 1 and 64?

I've returned back to this post a few times and respect the framing.

If no other 2D game's impacted 2D platformers like SMB1, and if no other 3D game's impacted 3D platformers like SM64, in this framing, does it even make sense to get other reps like them? Ranging from SMB3 to Wonder, from Galaxy to Odyssey...in that framing, do you need another rep? I get that argument and am riffing from here for the other two.

Mario Kart an undeniably influenced kart racers so I think a rep is appropriate in this context. We can argue about which one, but whatever. So far this lines up with my votes anyway so cool.

That fourth spot...I voted World, right, but also if the ideas's about how other games were impacted by Mario...shew.

it might be Mario Party -- huge series of its own, plus other party games like Fusion Frenzy and Fall Guys fit this vein from after the original Party-trilogy. Did these kinds of multiplayer minigame-collections exist much before 1999? Even other Nintendo variations like Remix and WarioWare.

Have we seen an influx of game creators since Mario Maker? Mega Man Maker comes to mind, but that's a fan project. Little Big Planet beat Mario Maker to the punch here too but it seems to have faded off.

No particular Mario Sports game stands out to me in this framing. Like...maybe Golf on the NES? Think that had Mario in it, but eeeeeeeeh.

SMRPG was huge but I don't think it's influence on the likes of South Park: the Stick of Truth is enough. Maybe this is bigger than I'm realizing though.

I think Smash would be the answer if it counted, but it doesn't and I don't think it should count.

I guess I'm stuck wondering now if you get away from platformers and kart-racers if Mario Party is the most influential Mario game on the industry.

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lordjers
03/11/24 1:32:53 PM
#243:


Mario 3 and World are in because those are the games the rest of 2D Mario are measured against. When 3 came out it was as if kids forgot 1 (the monumental original) even existed. Games that keep the franchise super strong are just as important as comeback games. If they belong roughly to the same era well tough luck, that Mario era was just super strong.

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KanzarisKelshen
03/11/24 1:35:00 PM
#244:


it might be Mario Party -- huge series of its own, plus other party games like Fusion Frenzy and Fall Guys fit this vein from after the original Party-trilogy. Did these kinds of multiplayer minigame-collections exist much before 1999? Even other Nintendo variations like Remix and WarioWare.

This is actually a really good question and I have no answer to it. Mario Party 1 might honestly be the game that proved 'hey, minigames!' was a real gaming genre. If so, it would be the really obvious inclusion for the fourth slot, but I'm not sure the genre wasn't established before it. Likewise, SMRPG is credited as 'the first RPG that actually sold in the west' but the existence of Final Fantasy 4 (and 1, even) makes me wonder if that was actually true. Mario history is gaming history to such a degree that I would kill for a gaming historian's takes on this, actually.

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Hbthebattle
03/11/24 1:37:58 PM
#245:


lordjers posted...
Mario 3 and World are in because those are the games the rest of 2D Mario are measured against. When 3 came out it was as if kids forgot 1 (the monumental original) even existed. Games that keep the franchise super strong are just as important as comeback games. If they belong roughly to the same era well tough luck, that Mario era was just super strong.
why do we need 2 2D Mario games to measure others against if you guys argue 2D Mario post-World is irrelevant
3D Mario is more popular now, so shouldn't we have a 3D rep that functions as a yardstick like Galaxy?
but it didnt exist when people here were kids so it won't get votes, same as it ever was

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Leonhart4
03/11/24 1:44:46 PM
#246:


I mean we do

Mario 64 is the most popular Mario game now

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Omniscientless
03/11/24 5:53:36 PM
#247:


Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

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ZenOfThunder
03/11/24 6:20:37 PM
#248:


I am currently tallying, I tallied just Page 1 and we have a tie for 1st and a tie for 4th so I won't be closing this and posting the next day in case I need to make a tiebreaker poll. This is the last like 15 min to vote if you havent already

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ZenOfThunder
03/11/24 6:39:44 PM
#249:


SeabassDebeste posted...
also congrats on the job @ZenOfThunder!

<3 thank you!

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