Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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pazzy posted...

So are you. As it stands, it's not a bad tip. It's especially dumb, because I'm general it's not a low amount of money, so being a bitch about it is way worse.

And it's still a reasonable tip. The tipping culture demanding progressively more is the exact reason I refuse to bother with these places.

The customer is not the villain here, and anyone that would paint them out to be is the reason tipping culture won't die.

No, by all metrics, it's a cheap-ass tip. She could have made the same or more on a table that spent half as much. Arguing what you think a fair tip would be in a more ideal world isn't the same as arguing about the reality of what they did tip in relation to the normal expected industry standard that most people agree to pay.

Whilst I never did eat out much, I have long since stopped eating out altogether - even a little sandwich or coffee shop have those machines that always ask for tips so I progressively just been patroning less and less. Which is actually working out well for my finances here all things considered.

I don't like a system that pits me against servers whilst the big mice make bank, or where I have to do some mental social calculation of worth just to pay for something and get on with my damn day, but I still tipped because the mice are so large and the servers so small tipping is just how it works for them to survive.

The only winning move I could end up justifying to myself was just not playing.

Why do people even tip anyway? It's a scam.

I think this topic will make it to 500

None of you are going to change anyone's minds, that is like a unicorn here. You're all just fussing at each other and being snide

Including me

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

One can acknowledge the reality of the system while voicing strong ideas about how it should change, you know. It sounds like you're for keeping quiet about how things should be while they're not that way, but that's not how change happens.

No, I'm saying not tipping or getting angry at an employee is not the way to go. Scream all you want at the right people, while continuing to play the hand you're currently dealt until the change happens.

Deutschenlied posted...

Everyone should love each other and healthcare should be free. See? We can all wish really hard for things to be different, but there is still a current reality we have to deal with until a time when things change.

Nothing will change with people like you vehemently defending the status quo like this.

Darkraiomb posted...

Why do people even tip anyway? It's a scam.

"Mr. Pink is so cool!"

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

"Mr. Pink is so cool!"

I have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

Deutschenlied posted...

No, I'm saying not tipping or getting angry at an employee is not the way to go. Scream all you want at the right people, while continuing to play the hand you're currently dealt until the change happens.

Ah, gotcha. Agreed.

Darkraiomb posted...

I have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

That's ok, it doesn't matter.

Canadians don't tip. Europeans don't tip.

jesus never left a server a tip and neither do i.

Erika_Redmark posted...

Whilst I never did eat out much, I have long since stopped eating out altogether - even a little sandwich or coffee shop have those machines that always ask for tips so I progressively just been patroning less and less. Which is actually working out well for my finances here all things considered.

I don't like a system that pits me against servers whilst the big mice make bank, or where I have to do some mental social calculation of worth just to pay for something and get on with my damn day, but I still tipped because the mice are so large and the servers so small tipping is just how it works for them to survive.

The only winning move I could end up justifying to myself was just not playing.

Great war games reference

% based tipping has and always will be an idiotic system and needs to go.

A lot of times I eat out by myself and the bill comes to around $60 or so. The amount of work the waitress -might- do for me is..

Take order
Fill up a drink from the fountain
Drop food off
Slowly take ages taking my payment so I can go

To think they believe that little amount of "service" is worth $10-$20 is delusional.

Darkraiomb posted...

I have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

*plays the world's smallest violin for people too cheap to tip their server appropriately*

Deutschenlied posted...

Everyone should love each other and healthcare should be free. See? We can all wish really hard for things to be different, but there is still a current reality we have to deal with until a time when things change.

Going by this logic servers should just deal with getting no tips and be happy with what little they do get, since that is the current reality of optional tips.

Garreyn posted...

% based tipping has and always will be an idiotic system and needs to go.

A lot of times I eat out by myself and the bill comes to around $60 or so. The amount of work the waitress -might- do for me is..

Take order
Fill up a drink from the fountain
Drop food off
Slowly take ages taking my payment so I can go

To think they believe that little amount of "service" is worth $10-$20 is delusional.

True. For me in the UK I will tip either 10% or a fixed amount Ive decided in my head.

Whatever is higher.

On the flip side the people saying they need to increase the % due to inflation ticks me off as well. If the food prices have gone up due to inflation then obviously the tip will as well if its a % of the cost of the food.

If you tip 8% I dont respect you as a human being.

Paragon21XX posted...

*plays the world's smallest violin for people too cheap to tip their server appropriately*

You could do that too for waiters that don't feel like their tip was big enough
MarcoRubio posted...

Canadians don't tip. Europeans don't tip.

They probably don't fuck their employees as bad either tho right

MarcoRubio posted...

Canadians don't tip. Europeans don't tip.

Also, Asians as well.

I bet those fuckers who paid such a low tip also made that server's life a living hell during their entire time. American's are too entitled, too demanding when they go out to eat. If you don't want to pay a 15-20% tip, go get your slop at McDonalds.

Omega posted...

I bet those fuckers who paid such a low tip also made that server's life a living hell during their entire time. American's are too entitled, too demanding when they go out to eat. If you don't want to pay a 15-20% tip, go get your slop at McDonalds.

Yes peasants don't go out to eat if you don't want to pay 20% extra for an already expensive meal

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SaikyoStyle posted...

If you tip 8% I dont respect you as a human being.

What % do you tip?

What a major bitch. I hope she loses her job and she's humiliated at school.

MarcoRubio posted...

Canadians don't tip.

Yes, we do. Tipping culture is almost just as bad here as it is in the States.

SHRlKE posted...

What % do you tip?

15-20

Smackems posted...

Yes peasants don't go out to eat if you don't want to pay 20% extra for an already expensive meal

Go to the grocery store and learn to cook for yourself. Or get your slop from a fast-food restaurant.

Omega posted...

Go to the grocery store and learn to cook for yourself. Or get your slop from a fast-food restaurant.

Any of these, but don't take your frustrations about tip culture out on the server.

MarcoRubio posted...

Canadians don't tip. Europeans don't tip.

Do they have a lobby that constantly fights back against fair wages for servers? Another NRA is against helping society.

https://restaurant.org/issues-and-advocacy/policy-agenda/tipping/

"The tip credit and tipping system provide tipped employees with greater earning potential and restaurant owners the ability to invest in their non-tipped employees and businesses.

Eliminating the option of the tip credit and tipping system would force restaurant operators to switch to an hourly wage system, reducing earnings, hours, and jobs for employees.

Restaurant employees, operators and customers nationwide support the existing tip credit and tipping system. The existing system provides strong worker protections and helps tipped workers earn a median of $27 an hour, with some tipped workers making $41.50 an hour in take-home pay. Eliminating the tip credit would not be a pay raise for tipped workers.

The restaurant industry urges Congress to protect prosperity for restaurant workers and operators by preserving the tip credit and tipping system."

Paragon21XX posted...

Any of these, but don't take your frustrations about tip culture out on the server.

But it's OK for servers to take them out on the customer?

The answer is no in both cases.

Don't fight each other for the benefit of the wealthy.

Omega posted...

Go to the grocery store and learn to cook for yourself. Or get your slop from a fast-food restaurant.

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Deutschenlied posted...

Customers and employers can both be wrong. Why can't you guys just follow societal norms and fight to change them in the meantime?

Normally I don't even bother starting to read 150+ post topics, but this is quite an interesting one.

I have a simple solution: If your employer doesn't pay you enough to live, find another job.

If your employer starts raising their prices to 'be able' to pay a living wage, then the customers should en masse not go back to that establishment, forcing the owner to lower their prices making less profit or shut down entirely.

Problem with this is people will need to start taking responsibility for their own lives instead of making exuses so they can point to others.

That said, the country I live in doesn't have any % based system. If I eat in a restaurant and the service is good, the waitress gets 10 euros, if not, she gets nothing.

Same with food delivery. If they charge delivery costs, no tip. If they don't and the food is on time 2-5 euros depending on what I have lying around in change. Be more than 5 minutes late, no tip

Paragon21XX posted...

*plays the world's smallest violin for people too cheap to tip their server appropriately*

Not cheap, just smart enough to not fall for a scam. Or are you saying I should give my payment info to my spam that pretends to be Netflix?

Yes, shes right.

Also, she probably only made 3%. Most servers tip support staff around 5% of their sales. Getting stiffed means they have to pay support staff out of their own pocket.

Dont go to a sit down restaurant if you cant tip.

It seems like a good tip to me. All she did was bring them their food and refill their drink occassionally.

MrMolinaro posted...

Yes, shes right.

Also, she probably only made 3%. Most servers tip support staff around 5% of their sales. Getting stiffed means they have to pay support staff out of their own pocket.

Dont go to a sit down restaurant if you cant tip.

Or maybe sit down restaurants should pay their wait staff a living wage.

Baha05 posted...

Or maybe sit down restaurants should pay their wait staff a living wage.

Maybe they should, but they dont, so leave a tip or stay home.

MrMolinaro posted...

Maybe they should, but they dont, so leave a tip or stay home.

People are being exploited at work?! Better support the system or just turn a blind eye to it!

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

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lmao

MrMolinaro posted...

Yes, shes right.

Also, she probably only made 3%. Most servers tip support staff around 5% of their sales. Getting stiffed means they have to pay support staff out of their own pocket.

Dont go to a sit down restaurant if you cant tip.

Okay, so now the customer has to pay the waitress generously, so they can pay their co-worker.

What is the employer supposed to do again?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

People are being exploited at work?! Better support the system or just turn a blind eye to it!

Change the laws that allow for tipped wages. Until then, pay people for the service they provide.

Karovorak posted...

Okay, so now the customer has to pay the waitress generously, so they can pay their co-worker.

What is the employer supposed to do again?

Ideally tipping wouldnt exist, but it does, so tip appropriately because the staff is not responsible for the system.

Rika_Furude posted...

No

This. Tip should never be tied to the total, rather to service and even then it's voluntary.

MrMolinaro posted...

Ideally tipping wouldnt exist, but it does, so tip appropriately because the staff is not responsible for the system.

No, but neither is the customer, nor the employer. People are responsible for their own lives. Don't get paid enough to live? Ask for a raise or get another job, it's that simple.

Only way things will ever change is by taking responsibilty for your own life and stop pointing at others or making up excuses

MrMolinaro posted...

Ideally tipping wouldnt exist, but it does, so tip appropriately because the staff is not responsible for the system.

The staff is responsible for the job they take.

If I complain about my shitty job and shitty pay (it's fine), my customers would not give a shit either, everyone would tell me to look for another job. Especially everyone here on CE.

Being part of a system that exploits them and then blaming the customers for it because they don't take the responsibility?

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

People are being exploited at work?! Better support the system or just turn a blind eye to it!

You prefer to punish the exploited worker who bears no fault in the system, making it harder for them to get by on their meager wages? Don't try to frame that as a stance against an exploitative system; be honest with yourself and admit that it's about justifying apathy.

I think a big part of the problem is that people have been conditioned to see going out to eat as just another meal choice to weigh against eating in. Dining out is meant to be something of a treat; something you do when you have the money to spend on the full experience/service, not something you do multiple times per week as an easy alternative to popping some chicken in the oven.

Karovorak posted...

The staff is responsible for the job they take.

If I complain about my shitty job and shitty pay (it's fine), my customers would not give a shit either, everyone would tell me to look for another job. Especially everyone here on CE.

Being part of a system that exploits them and then blaming the customers for it because they don't take the responsibility?

ITP it's easy for anybody anywhere to just hop jobs, and they should never have expectations based on what everyone knows those jobs entail.

Yeah, Im not interested in debating the issue. Im merely stating the reality of the situation. If you cant tip, dont go out to eat.