Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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"I will not let big business trick me into paying their workers. Now excuse me while I happily pay through the nose for their products and fund their executive bonuses. I'm standing up to them!"

*To have control over their own money that they worked for.

If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be eating out in the first place.

People keep saying this, and don't realize it's a terrible argument. It's hypocrisy and elitism at best.

People keep saying this, and don't realize it's a terrible argument. It's hypocrisy and elitism at best.

If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be eating out in the first place.

Eating out is an expensive luxury, even without tipping. If someone cannot afford an extra 10-20%, they should be conserving their funds by eating economically. Tipping should be abolished, but please don't act like people are trying to conserve money by paying 5 times as much for something they could cook at home, get as a TV dinner, or get from a cheaper fast food place.

Eating out is an expensive luxury, even without tipping. If someone cannot afford an extra 10-20%, they should be conserving their funds by eating economically. Tipping should be abolished, but please don't act like people are trying to conserve money by paying 5 times as much for something they could cook at home, get as a TV dinner, or get from a cheaper fast food place.

Earing out is a luxury that if a poor person wants to spend they can legally spend their their money however they legally want to.

Your argument is hypocrisy and elitism at best.

Not to mention not even grasping the irony of talking about a luxury. Tips are a luxury as well, that no one is entitled to.

There's no legal mandate for it, but it makes you look like an absolute asshole. I'd imagine a restaurant could probably ban you for it as well, right to withhold service and all that.

The only assholes are the ones that hold waitress/server/waiter on a mile high pedestal, and not giving a damn those same waiters likely.... do not tip the many essential workers they get service from who make less than they do.

The waitress isn't any more special than the person who does janitorial work, pushes carts all day, bags your groceries, stock the shelves you get your essentials for, and so much more..... and yet take home less pay than tipped workers.

Apples and oranges. One service literally gets by on tips. The rest don't. Whataboutism has no place in this discussion. If you eat out, abide by the social contract. If you don't want to, don't eat out. If you want change, then work towards it in small or big ways. It's extraordinarily simple. Stiffing the staff just makes you an asshole.

Thanks for proving my point.

You have no point. You're just trying to justify the behavior of assholes who don't tip. It would be one thing if this was a discussion of people who want tipping culture vs people who don't, but I'm pretty sure nearly everyone here is against it. They're also against assholes who don't tip for arbitrary reasons.

They're also against assholes who don't tip for arbitrary reasons.

social contract herp a derp

Says the guy justifying his own asshole behavior and logic.

If you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't be eating out in the first place.

Yes, continue with your strawman about unrelated jobs or whatever point you think you have.

Indeed. The same social contract that precludes you from going up to a random woman on the street and unprovoked calling her a c****y, std-ridden megabitch.

You CAN do that. Theres no law saying you cant. Youre free to say whatever you want. Youre just an asshole for doing so.

Just like how not tipping makes one an asshole.

It's not a strawman just because it makes you uncomfortable to recognize the waitress making more than a lot of essential non tipped hard workers, yet demand those who make less than they do, to tip the waiter or take of vow of suffering.

But again, fuck those non tipped workers making less than the waitress right? You don't want to talk about them because it's inconvenient to acknowledge many of these tipped workers demand people less unfortunate than them to still tip them.

Your irrelevant soapboxing means nothing. You're just rambling for the sake of rambling at this point.

Thanks for proving my point again in the irony of you calling anyone an asshole. Your entire argument boils down to ignoring tipped workers demanding the less unfortunate to tip them or take a vow of suffering.

Keep up with the strawman. It's a really strong argument without any flaws.

Keep up with the strawman. It's a really strong argument without any flaws.

Anytime someone uses the term strawman people know you can be taken less seriously. Its a buzzword for people with limited arguments. We all know it at this point.

umm actually its an ad hominem sea lion fallacy
maybe you should consider the facts before starting a monroe transfer

He's literally trying to reframe the argument from some sappy "think about these irrelevant people" angle that has nothing to do with anything and claim some nonsense that my lack of engagement with it means XYZ. If that's not strawmanning, then it's some "appeal to X" nonsense.

Demanding everyone to pay you a voluntary tip you feel entitled to regardless of the person's salary being less than yours very much has everything to do with this discussion.

You just find it uncomfortable to talk about or recognize.

You're basically just arguing against tips existing at this point, which is like near universal in this thread. Nothing about that justifies being a non-tipping asshole. So, while I abhor the whole "they'll spit in your food" nonsense some people spout, I hope you get horrible service befitting your refusal, if you practice what you preach.

You're basically just arguing against tips existing at this point, which is like near universal in this thread. Nothing about that justifies being a non-tipping asshole. So, while I abhor the whole "they'll spit in your food" nonsense some people spout, I hope you get horrible service befitting your refusal, if you practice what you preach.

if i got a $15 tip on anything id be hyped. this bitch is just a toxic ass worker with an over privileged attitude.

not their fault erica cant pay her tuition. maybe she should start an onlyfans.

Just add a flat rate service charge to the bill.

Now the restaurant can pay its serving staff, and those terrible poor scum who insist on eating above their station will no longer be an issue.

You're basically just arguing against tips existing at this point, which is like near universal in this thread. Nothing about that justifies being a non-tipping asshole. So, while I abhor the whole "they'll spit in your food" nonsense some people spout, I hope you get horrible service befitting your refusal, if you practice what you preach.

"Nothing about that justifies being a non-tipping asshole".

That's the issue.

First of all, it's not even about "non-tipping = asshole", it's already about "15$ tip = asshole".

Last weekend I went out and paid a 9% tip. For some magical reason, this didn't made me an asshole at all.

People like her are one of the many reasons I don't eat out anymore.

I think we have lost sight of this.

The people getting the 'go fuck yourself' from the waitress aren't armchair anti-tipping activists. They gave a tip, it just wasn't as much as she thought she should get. Not because she did more work, but because of the cost of the meal.

If everyone tipped a flat rate of $15, how much would a server make per hour on an average day?

Not tipping at all is an asshole move, and demanding a specific percentage for all circumstances is also an asshole stance.

Someone donating any amount of money they didn't have to is not an asshole.

Westernwolf4 is the only serious person with valid opinions on this site.

Westernwolf4 is the only serious person with valid opinions on this site.

Are we pretending that pazzy is a serious person with valid opinions?

Im only asking because you are not a serious person with a valid point of view and nobody should treat you as such. Im serving the public discourse.