Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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Deutschenlied posted...

Customers and employers can both be wrong. Why can't you guys just follow societal norms and fight to change them in the meantime?

America is a shithole, but that's no excuse to not tip when tips are currently necessary.

Why can't we follow societal norms. I guess people that saw whites only signs should have just followed societal norms and not eaten there.

Nemu posted...

Oh yes, the whole thing is dumb, but anyone who chooses to participate and stiffs the servers is just an asshole. Not participating is the correct answer for anyone vehemently against it.

Oh yes, stiffs them by giving them more money than probably anyone else she served that night.

8% is an insult.

Doesn't even seem like a bad tip, and the customer wrote a thank you note at the bottom too. It's kinda messed up the waitress put it on blast up in social media

pazzy posted...

Oh yes, stiffs them by giving them more money than probably anyone else she served that night.

What? The server would make more money on a standard tip from a $100 invoice.

SaikyoStyle posted...

8% is an insult.

No, what's insulting is that you expect people to pay a percentage higher because they order more expensive food. The service didn't change because they bought something more expensive.

What's insulting is that the person got a good tip, but was expected to receive more just because. It's not like a hair salon where getting more expensive treatment ACTUALLY requires more work.

Nemu posted...

What? The server would make more money on a standard tip from a $100 invoice.

That makes literally no sense with what I said.

Oh God, America and your issue with tipping.

Insane how countries in Europe, Japan ect can pay their staff an actual wage. Whilst in America you literally have to gamble on tips.

Makes absolutely no sense as well. Wouldn't I be tipping the fucking chef for the delicious food, rather than a waitress who just brings it to me?

pazzy posted...

That makes literally no sense with what I said.

You said that $15.86 is likely the largest tip the server received. If the server served even one single $100 table and was paid a standard 20%, the server would have gotten more. It depends on the restaurant, but that could easily be one of the smaller tips given.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Oh God, America and your issue with tipping.

Insane how countries in Europe, Japan ect can pay their staff an actual wage. Whilst in America you literally have to gamble on tips.

Makes absolutely no sense as well. Wouldn't I be tipping the fucking chef for the delicious food, rather than a waitress who just brings it to me?

Yeah, you'd think that'd be the case, but nope. You have to give a percentage to people for bringing you food. Doesn't matter if they ignore you after that point, you better give them at least 20% of the cost of the food or you're the dick.

Nemu posted...

You said that $15.86 is likely the largest tip the server received. If the server served even one single $100 table and was paid a standard 20%, the server would have gotten more. It depends on the restaurant, but that could easily be one of the smaller tips given.

Yes. It probably would be because people don't typically order $100 meals.

On that bill, if the service was fine, I would have tipped $40 but thats just me

Deutschenlied posted...

Customers and employers can both be wrong. Why can't you guys just follow societal norms and fight to change them in the meantime?

hate this. Why cant you just do what youre supposed to?! Why cant you do what people say you should?!

Because I dont have to. I dont have to follow societal norms I can do what I want. Dont like it? Too bad.

pazzy posted...

No, what's insulting is that you expect people to pay a percentage higher because they order more expensive food. The service didn't change because they bought something more expensive.

What's insulting is that the person got a good tip, but was expected to receive more just because. It's not like a hair salon where getting more expensive treatment ACTUALLY requires more work.

You've never worked in food service have you?

Cynyn posted...

You've never worked in food service have you?

Oh, I have, and I stayed there about 3 months before I bounced. I got tired of stupid waiters and waitresses not clearing the tables and I had to go out there and clean them my damn self while keeping the dishes and the area around me clean.

iceman9820 posted...

There's definitely an argument to be made that there's a certain threshold where tips shouldn't be based on percentage of the bill anymore. I'm not going to begin to argue where the line is, but they're definitely has to be one. If I go to outback steakhouse and get a $20 ribeye or go to some fancy restaurant paying $2-300 for an A5 wagyu both waiters potentially provide the same level of service but only one should get tipped $4 and the other should get tipped $60? Doesn't make sense. The waitress from the op could have served 3 tables in a roughly 60-90 minute window, regardless of the total for each bill if those three tables tipped $15 each then the worst case scenario is $30/hr on top of her regular wage. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. But at the end of the day I'm sure almost everyone agrees that tips should be complementary to their salary, not supplementary.

You're tipping for the *experience* of getting ripped off.

pazzy posted...

Yes. It probably would be because people don't typically order $100 meals.

Even a mid-level restaurant can be looking at $25-$50 a head when factoring in everything, especially if alcohol is involved. Though again, it depends on the restaurant. A cheap breakfast diner is probably going to be closer to $8-$15 a head.

1337toothbrush posted...

You're tipping for the *experience* of getting ripped off.

But getting ripped off on the rest of the bill is apparently cool with people.

Nemu posted...

Even a mid-level restaurant can be looking at $25-$50 a head when factoring in everything, especially if alcohol is involved. Though again, it depends on the restaurant. A cheap breakfast diner is probably going to be closer to $8-$15 a head.

Which doesn't change anything that's said.

pazzy posted...

Which doesn't change anything that's said.

If the server works in a standard chain restaurant, they're probably seeing $100 tabs frequently, is the point. You only need a four person party ordering appetizers and a few drinks to reach that.

pazzy posted...

Why can't we follow societal norms. I guess people that saw whites only signs should have just followed societal norms and not eaten there.

Your human rights aren't being attacked because you have to pay a tip. I sure hope you get suspended.

People who use those bitmoji characters don't deserve happiness.

https://youtu.be/M4sTSIYzDIk?si=y_AFgi-LBWy8i7SQ

Nemu posted...

If the server works in a standard chain restaurant, they're probably seeing $100 tabs frequently, is the point. You only need a four person party ordering appetizers and a few drinks to reach that.

Doubtful. What we saw on there was presumably an order that could have been by one person. And if it was multiple people, for all you know one could have tipped with a card and the others with cash. They got a tip, it wasn't bad in general. And they were still unsatisfied that it wasn't enough. This showcases the entire problem here.

Deutschenlied posted...

Your human rights aren't being attacked because you have to pay a tip. I sure hope you get suspended.

Get suspended for what? Making you understand how shitty your logic is? You literally were saying people that don't tip as well deserve to have obscene things happen to them. As far as I'm concerned, you're a terrible person.

meralonne posted...

https://youtu.be/M4sTSIYzDIk?si=y_AFgi-LBWy8i7SQ

Another in a long line of fictional assholes with bad ideas who get held up as wise men by real world assholes with no ideas.

Hockey got warned from a melty about tipping lmao.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Another in a long line of fictional assholes with bad ideas who get held up as wise men by real world assholes with no ideas.

Speaking of assholes...

meralonne posted...

Speaking of assholes...

Go on

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

Go on

I was waiting for you.

spriga posted...

Hockey got warned from a melty about tipping lmao.

Fandom is a joke

meralonne posted...

I was waiting for you.

I don't have any ideas, though. I'm an asshole

Deutschenlied posted...

Fandom is a joke

So is hockey.

pazzy posted...

Get suspended for what? Making you understand how shitty your logic is? You literally were saying people that don't tip as well deserve to have obscene things happen to them. As far as I'm concerned, you're a terrible person.

How dare you compare it to racism and human rights abuses. If you don't like tipping or another store policy, either shut up and deal with it, or don't patronize the business. Taking it out on an employee is not the answer. Either change the world or withdraw from it if you find that unacceptable.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

I don't have any ideas, though. I'm an asshole

Honestly, I think the idea that the patrons of restaurants should pay the bulk of a server's wages is absolute bullshit. It's also a bullshit excuse that better servers will get paid for better service, because the initial post disproves that.
However, as a patron, if you know the deal going in, you tell the server that they provided excellent service and you still give them a shit tip, you are the asshole.
Don't even get me started on what it would take to get a certain party to actually go along with giving restaurant workers a living wage that's not absolutely dependent upon tips...

pazzy posted...

Doubtful. What we saw on there was presumably an order that could have been by one person. And if it was multiple people, for all you know one could have tipped with a card and the others with cash. They got a tip, it wasn't bad in general. And they were still unsatisfied that it wasn't enough. This showcases the entire problem here.

You're making several leaps in logic that don't go with the situation as presented. I don't put it past attention hogs on social media to make shit up, but, as presented, the tip for the service was way too low, based on normal industry standards. Any server would be completely justified in being miffed by that. I don't agree with shaming on the internet for it. It's just something you bitch about with coworkers and move on with your day.

Hating tipping culture is fine. Tipping culture sucks. Until tipping culture is hopefully eradicated, servers should be given fair tips, unless the service is absolute garbage.

meralonne posted...

Honestly, I think the idea that the patrons of restaurants should pay the bulk of a server's wages is absolute bullshit. It's also a bullshit excuse that better servers will get paid for better service, because the initial post disproves that.
However, as a patron, if you know the deal going in, you tell the server that they provided excellent service and you still give them a shit tip, you are the asshole.
Don't even get me started on what it would take to get a certain party to actually go along with giving restaurant workers a living wage that's not absolutely dependent upon tips...

I agree with all of that.

hockeybabe89 posted...

If you don't tip, you are gutter tier trash and you should fuck off from society. You don't actually give a rat's ass about changing anything or doing what's best for society

By that logic neither do the employees, as they'd bother to actually fight for better wages instead of telling people to fuck off.

General rule to live by: be willing to meet someone halfway, but if they demand you do everything for them, they can go fuck themselves, with a hammer.

Deutschenlied posted...

They are fleecing you for those products and you happily pay them

I can afford it because I don't rely on tips. You wanna hear the truth though? I don't work. I own houses now and people pay me rent. My wife died last year and I retired early to spend more time with her beforehand. I had been sitting around sad and widowed and get paid for it for the past six months. Now I'm travelling again to get away from it.
That's what I do: I be heartbroken alongside whatever the fuck I want. That's my life.

Should be 15%

Cocytus posted...

Should be 15%

Should be your employer's money.

Nemu posted...

You're making several leaps in logic that don't go with the situation as presented. I don't put it past attention hogs on social media to make shit up, but, as presented, the tip for the service was way too low, based on normal industry standards. Any server would be completely justified in being miffed by that. I don't agree with shaming on the internet for it. It's just something you bitch about with coworkers and move on with your day.

Hating tipping culture is fine. Tipping culture sucks. Until tipping culture is hopefully eradicated, servers should be given fair tips, unless the service is absolute garbage.

So are you. As it stands, it's not a bad tip. It's especially dumb, because I'm general it's not a low amount of money, so being a bitch about it is way worse.

And it's still a reasonable tip. The tipping culture demanding progressively more is the exact reason I refuse to bother with these places.

The customer is not the villain here, and anyone that would paint them out to be is the reason tipping culture won't die.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

I agree with all of that.

And I should've been clear about that in the first place.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

teenager's job

You might have a point if these places opened after 4pm monday-friday.

They don't. Who the hell is supposed to work them if not grown ass adults with grown ass lives?

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Should be your employer's money.

Everyone should love each other and healthcare should be free. See? We can all wish really hard for things to be different, but there is still a current reality we have to deal with until a time when things change.

pazzy posted...

The customer is not the villain here, and anyone that would paint them out to be is the reason tipping culture won't die.

Customer isn't the only villain here. A bad customer is awful whether or not the employer is also rotten.

Tipping culture won't die because we aren't using the government to force employers to heel, and the employers have polticians in their pockets. Not because not enough people are refusing to tip.

"I will not let big business trick me into paying their workers. Now excuse me while I happily pay through the nose for their products and fund their executive bonuses. I'm standing up to them!"

Imagine the shock and horror if the standard switched from a percentage to, say, $1 per item brought to the table. If a chain restaurant brings food, a drink, and a refill, then $3/head for the tip, $4 if they had an appetizer first. If the wait staff actually showed initiative and displayed a convincing attempt at caring, you can tip more.

If that $200 bill was for 3 people then the $15 tip is right in the fair range, instead of the "Erica wants you to go fuck yourself" range.

Deutschenlied posted...

Customer isn't the only villain here. A bad customer is awful whether or not the employer is also rotten.

Tipping culture won't die because we aren't using the government to force employers to heel, and the employers have polticians in their pockets. Not because not enough people are refusing to tip.

Nothing known makes the customer out to be the villain here.

Deutschenlied posted...

Everyone should love each other and healthcare should be free. See? We can all wish really hard for things to be different, but there is still a current reality we have to deal with until a time when things change.

One can acknowledge the reality of the system while voicing strong ideas about how it should change, you know. It sounds like you're for keeping quiet about how things should be while they're not that way, but that's not how change happens.

Shes a bitch. Ive had jobs working for tips and waiting. She spends maybe 5 minutes on that table, 10 is by far the tops. Plus $15 for a few minutes of untaxed money is good.

unless the place was dead she had numerous tables to serve that hour so she most likely made way over $20 that hour mostly with no taxes taken out.
You go up, say hi and your name, take the order and bring it out. Then ask if everything was ok, ask if they want dessert and thats mostly it, minutes tops. Yes she could bring drinks and do refills, but busboys do them often at many places now. She most likely never even needed to pick up the dirty dishes, again thats the bus boy job.
Waiting isnt that hard. It can get hard say at busy times or if tons of guests are there, but then those are the times you easily make $40 or way way beyond that an hour