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SomeLikeItHoth
02/06/24 2:33:21 AM
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Rika_Furude
02/06/24 2:33:33 AM
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No
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Baha05
02/06/24 2:34:49 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
No


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BlueKat
02/06/24 2:35:44 AM
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She's mad at the wrong person. It's not the customer's fault she isn't being paid a livable wage

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Revisited
02/06/24 2:37:40 AM
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BlueKat posted...
She's mad at the wrong person. It's not the customer's fault she isn't being paid a livable wage
How did an entire society get brainwashed to think that its up to the customer directly to pay the employee livable wage, not the employer?
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BloodMoon7
02/06/24 2:38:33 AM
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She lucky she got a money tip and not the tip of my middle finger

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008Zulu
02/06/24 2:46:17 AM
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Form a union, and fight for a liveable wage, Erica.

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pazzy
02/06/24 2:49:00 AM
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People like her are one of the many reasons I don't eat out anymore.
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TendoDRM
02/06/24 2:50:35 AM
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Yes, she's right.

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OriginalPlain2
02/06/24 2:51:40 AM
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This tipping debate has been going on for a while now

is it really that crucial

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Mistere_Man
02/06/24 2:51:52 AM
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I feel I have seen this before.

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Rika_Furude
02/06/24 3:00:14 AM
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Revisited posted...
How did an entire society get brainwashed to think that its up to the customer directly to pay the employee livable wage, not the employer?
If you cant afford to tip, your an asshole poor person whos evil because their poor and an asshole who shouldnt eat out

that mindset is prevalent even on this board amongst Americans
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ai123
02/06/24 3:04:55 AM
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Her anger is misdirected.

The tipping system makes working people fight each other, while the owner class laughs and counts the profits.

Instead of being rude about a customer not paying her tuition, ask why her employer won't pay a living wage, and why she has to pay so much for an education in the first place.

I went to a restaurant at the weekend. When we got the bill it included an itemised amount for the service. That should be the standard.

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Karovorak
02/06/24 3:16:15 AM
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OriginalPlain2 posted...
This tipping debate has been going on for a while now

is it really that crucial

Many people work as waiters.
Many people enjoy eating out.

So, somewhat yes.

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DnDer
02/06/24 3:17:19 AM
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Revisited posted...
How did an entire society get brainwashed to think that its up to the customer directly to pay the employee livable wage, not the employer?

The actual answer is post-slavery conditions and racism in general.

Here's one of the easiest to consume articles on the topic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/


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Lairen
02/06/24 3:24:03 AM
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Why is it a % of the total? Like she served drinks and brought the food. How does more expensive food make her job any different or mean she deserves more?

I avoid any place that wants a tip besides getting a hair cut.

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SHRlKE
02/06/24 3:26:13 AM
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In the US do those tips also go to the kitchen staff and cleaners etc?


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Joelypoely
02/06/24 4:04:27 AM
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It's pretty crazy, in most other countries they'd be grateful that they even received a tip.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/06/24 4:07:44 AM
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Here we go again...

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Anony1125
02/06/24 4:18:22 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
In the US do those tips also go to the kitchen staff and cleaners etc?
Depends on the establishment. Some mandate tip outs, some do not. Either way Erica is for sure making more overall than those peons, though.

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Ricemills
02/06/24 4:50:45 AM
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pazzy posted...
People like her are one of the many reasons I don't eat out anymore.

And everyone should.
Stop eating out when the tipping culture us out of control. Let those who encourage tipping support it, not you.

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Prismsblade
02/06/24 4:56:01 AM
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I dont ever tip more than $3. Regardless of the cost of the meal.

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Mew
02/06/24 5:40:27 AM
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Is she angry at her boss?

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mustachedmystic
02/06/24 6:05:02 AM
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Yall dat dont like tipping and think dat dey should get a living wage? I agree wit you. However if you dont tip 20%, you are denying dem a living wage, and are no better den da restaurant . Keep in mind dat if dey were to get a living wage, da cost of your food would increase by at least 20%

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Ricemills
02/06/24 6:06:54 AM
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Is US the only nation in the world that waitress can't earn living wage without tip?

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DnDer
02/06/24 6:16:21 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Keep in mind dat if dey were to get a living wage, da cost of your food would increase by at least 20%

It shouldn't. That math doesn't square.

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Kim_Seong-a
02/06/24 6:23:58 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Keep in mind dat if dey were to get a living wage, da cost of your food would increase by at least 20%

And?


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TheSuperSilver
02/06/24 6:24:06 AM
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I don't tip less than 15% as a practice but since this waiter seems to be a terrible peron, I would give them that 15%.

My scale is 15% means you were terrible, 18% is average, 20% is a rock star.

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mustachedmystic
02/06/24 6:26:50 AM
#30:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
And?
Tip your server for good service!

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DuneMan
02/06/24 6:30:31 AM
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BlueKat posted...
She's mad at the wrong person. It's not the customer's fault she isn't being paid a livable wage
Yeah.

Plus, even if her wage was the $4/hr wait staff was/is paid in the past that tip alone would bring it up to about $20 for that hour, and she definitely didn't spend the entire hour focused on that one table(so even if she splits tips there would be other tips in that hour).

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Hornezz
02/06/24 6:32:18 AM
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Weirdest part of tipping culture is how it comes with public shaming. Either shaming customers for being stingy, or shaming servers for demanding more.

This wouldn't be necessary if the expectations of payment were all clear and transparent upfront instead of implied. You know, like on the price menu.

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mustachedmystic
02/06/24 6:35:18 AM
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And if you dont tip appropriately, you are, as Sheldon would say, breaking a social contract. You are no better den da employer.

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SoIidLegacy
02/06/24 6:42:07 AM
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Only in Murrica would someone get pissed at being tipped 'only' 8%.

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Damn_Underscore
02/06/24 6:50:28 AM
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Need to know what the order is.

Tipping based on price of food is really stupid. A McDonalds quality burger and a plate of Wagyu beef imported from Japan should theoretically receive the same tip.

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bfslick50
02/06/24 6:51:19 AM
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8% is low but its a high bill and Im not tipping to put you through college.

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ai123
02/06/24 6:52:39 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Yall dat dont like tipping and think dat dey should get a living wage? I agree wit you. However if you dont tip 20%, you are denying dem a living wage, and are no better den da restaurant . Keep in mind dat if dey were to get a living wage, da cost of your food would increase by at least 20%
Providing service is a cost. A cost that should be built in to the overall price.

The owner doesn't expect contributions to the rent of their premises, or the cost of paying their suppliers, at the customer's discretion. Why should staff wages be treated differently?

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ClayGuida
02/06/24 6:55:49 AM
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The bill would be far higher if she was paid accordingly.

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LSGW_Zephyra
02/06/24 6:55:56 AM
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Yes though she should be having her sights aimed at her job more

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ai123
02/06/24 6:57:48 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
The bill would be far higher if she was paid accordingly.
But we don't support businesses underpaying their workers in order to provide cheap goods, do we?

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Karovorak
02/06/24 6:58:30 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Yall dat dont like tipping and think dat dey should get a living wage? I agree wit you. However if you dont tip 20%, you are denying dem a living wage, and are no better den da restaurant . Keep in mind dat if dey were to get a living wage, da cost of your food would increase by at least 20%

And that's the issue.

How tf should I know if their restaurant is paying a living wage or not? If the low wages are the reason for this, than they should come out and show on the menu how bad they pay their employees.

Just going around and saying "well, the customer is supposed to voluntary pay a living wage" is just bs.

Why should the customer be responsible for a living wage? All the cost and profit calculation is done by the restaurant. I have no idea to know how much of my 100 total goes to, what was the calculated food for cost, infrastructure, wages and profits.

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AlBundy33
02/06/24 7:02:20 AM
#42:


008Zulu posted...
Form a union, and fight for a liveable wage, Erica.

I love how this is everybodys response, when unions dont always pay that well, and everybody Ive ever talked to in a union, hates it

I worked a union job, never again

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mustachedmystic
02/06/24 7:18:48 AM
#43:


ai123 posted...
Providing service is a cost. A cost that should be built in to the overall price.

The owner doesn't expect contributions to the rent of their premises, or the cost of paying their suppliers, at the customer's discretion. Why should staff wages be treated differently?
I completely agree, but if you dont tip, thinking dat you are raging against da machine, you arent. All you are doing is screwing over da server.

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ai123
02/06/24 7:23:04 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
I completely agree, but if you dont tip, thinking dat you are raging against da machine, you arent. All you are doing is screwing over da server.
If service is not included in the bill, I will tip the 10-15% that is customary where I live.

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mustachedmystic
02/06/24 7:23:56 AM
#45:


Karovorak posted...
And that's the issue.

How tf should I know if their restaurant is paying a living wage or not? If the low wages are the reason for this, than they should come out and show on the menu how bad they pay their employees.

Do you really think a business in America would, when dey dont have to. And any dat did would most likely brag about it, hoping to bring in more customers


Just going around and saying "well, the customer is supposed to voluntary pay a living wage" is just bs.
Yes it is BS. A lot of things are.
Why should the customer be responsible for a living wage? All the cost and profit calculation is done by the restaurant. I have no idea to know how much of my 100 total goes to, what was the calculated food for cost, infrastructure, wages and profits.
Look, as your parents and teachers most likely told you, being an adult is all about doing things you dont want to.
Jesus, just think of it as part of da cost of eating out, you fucking cheapskates!


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Sheiky-Baby
02/06/24 7:25:48 AM
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She's lucky. I would have just left a peppermint candy.

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lilORANG
02/06/24 7:28:17 AM
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$15 for one table and she probably had several other tables which tipped at 20% or she'd be complaining about those too. Probably averages to a pretty good hourly rate tbh.

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hockeybabe89
02/06/24 7:29:51 AM
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"She should take it up with her employer"

Cool, and while we're busy redoing American society, she and others will still be getting stiffed by assholes. Passing laws will remove tipping culture. Employers don't give a fuck about your civil disobedience. You aren't hurting them.

If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, employers would just wonder why their employees suck so bad at their jobs. It wouldn't fix anything.

Customers have no problem voluntarily overpaying for everything else and helping assholes make profit, but a tip that directly goes to a low-level employee? Well that's just a bridge too far! My money is not for paying other people!

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ai123
02/06/24 7:31:40 AM
#49:


mustachedmystic posted...
Jesus, just think of it as part of da cost of eating out, you fucking cheapskates!

This is the evil genius of the tipping system. Working people rage at customers for bring 'cheapskates', while customers (also working people), resent being guilted into paying more to make up the wages of the servers.

Meanwhile, the owners sit smiling on a big pile of money and say 'let them fight!'.


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radical_rhino
02/06/24 7:33:57 AM
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Gonna be even harder to pay tuition when shes fired for publicly shaming customers.

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