Current Events > Waitress upset over an 8% tip. Is she in the right?

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pazzy posted...

Businesses like it, because on bad nights, they know that they can pay people less than minimum wage.

Not really. The employees still have to make at least minimum wage per hour, and if thats not happening then they send the employee home. Which does save labor money but it has nothing to do with what you said. Which is false.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Not really. The employees still have to make at least minimum wage per hour, and if thats not happening then they send the employee home. Which does save labor money but it has nothing to do with what you said. Which is false.

Incorrect. Minimum wage for waiters is not the same as standard minimum wage. Yes, they can send them home, but they still pay less.

Lmao

I wish all American restaurants would just add an automatic 20% gratuity to every ticket. It would solve all of this bullshit.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Yes it did.

Okay, I bite.

Why do you think that me paying a 9% tip last saturday makes me an asshole?

Karovorak posted...

Okay, I bite.

Why do you think that me paying a 9% tip last saturday makes me an asshole?

It is very important to make sure the person you tipped has a nice salary. Nevermind if their take home salary is higher than yours. Nevermind your personal finances. Nevermind that same courtesy wouldnt be provided to you if your finances are less fortunate than the person you tipped either by the same people you just tipped.
It's that option or you should take a vow of not treating yourself to anything because you are too poor to make sure to provide a charitable donation to someone more important than you. Even if it's their take home salary is higher than your own salary.

Tou apparently still matter, but you are less important than the people you tipped 9% and how dare you didnt voluntarily tip more that they are entitled to because their employer needs to save on payroll! That's not even getting into the hard push to displace responsibility away from the employer, when 100% its the employer.

Omega posted...

I wish all American restaurants would just add an automatic 20% gratuity to every ticket. It would solve all of this bullshit.

Probably not. Waiters would still basically demand more tips. And if you didnt leave extra tips on top of gratuity, youd probably still be an asshole since you only left the mandatory amount

Hypnospace posted...

Every single time I see these screenshots or stories of waiters complaining about low tips they're always involving gargantuan orders

Quite honestly if you're going to spend that much on takeout you should definitely tip more. Clearly you can afford it

Not always. It mostly depends on a lot of stuff. Like, when I went out with my cousin, it was to this somewhat more fancy place. The rest of us didnt know much about it, but he did. Some of the stuff was expensive. Because he was there on business, he paid for all the appetizers and his meal, and the rest of us paid for our meal I had even made sure to have enough for the place. I made sure to have enough for the tip based on what I paid for (Especially since the waiter was awesome), but I wouldnt have had enough if the check was split 4 exactly 4 ways, so

Plus, some people dont have a lot of extra. For some people, going out is a treat. And they saved up enough for the food. But dont much left over afterwards for a tip. Just depends on the situation they are in The problem is these days, having enough money for the food isnt an option. You have to have enough to pay for the food, and then have enough extra money to pay the waiter/waitress so you arent an asshole So, that kind of sucks.

LightningThief posted...

You are less important than them. That's not even getting into the hard push to displace responsibility away from the employer, when 100% its the employer.

While I agree that its 100% on the employer, the employees still want to keep tips, since they can make bank on good nights Even though its kind of shitty to try to live when you never know if youll make enough to pay bills and shit Its worse that loving paycheck to paycheck, tbh

she sort of is but the character in the image makes me want to say she isn't

Karovorak posted...

Okay, I bite.

Why do you think that me paying a 9% tip last saturday makes me an asshole?

IIRC, you're not from the US.

The person you tipped is making a living wage, and 9% is condidered perfectly acceptable where you live.

So, not an asshole.

I ate in a restaurant on Saturday. I didn't tip anything, as the bill came with an itemised service charge included in the total price.

LinkPizza posted...

While I agree that its 100% on the employer, the employees still want to keep tips, since they can make bank on good nights Even though its kind of shitty to try to live when you never know if youll make enough to pay bills and shit Its worse that loving paycheck to paycheck, tbh

Hence why they fight tooth and nail to keep tipping culture. A lot of them make more than retail/janitorial/7.25 an hour.

This idea that most make less is not true and paints a false story. Many of the people who eat at resteraunt do indeed take home less pay than the waitress who brought food to the table.

But the waiter or waitress likes the idea that they can make much more than a fpr example, cashier at CVS. Which is perfectly fine. Tipping in itself is fine, and getting tips in itself is fine. Whats hypocritical and bad is when some of then start shaming that CVS employee into making sure they tip all so they can continue to make more than that CVS employee. As if to say, they are more important. Which is also usually followed by elitism when they also tell that CVS employee you shouldn't enjoy anything if you can't afford to make sure I make more than you.

You should refrain from speaking forever.

SaikyoStyle posted...

If you tip 8% I dont respect you as a human being.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Yes it did.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Are we pretending that pazzy is a serious person with valid opinions?

SaikyoStyle posted...

Im only asking because you are not a serious person with a valid point of view and nobody should treat you as such. Im serving the public discourse.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Lmao

SaikyoStyle posted...

You should refrain from speaking forever.

Can you post something except one liners, insults and flat provocations and attacks without even reading the postings you quote?

Or, simply answer questions if you are asked one.

Karovorak posted...

Can you post something except one liners, insults and flat provocations and attacks without even reading the postings you quote?

Or, simply answer questions if you are asked one.

Every Gfaqs poster agreeing to put Saikostyle on ignore and never engaging with his mindless nonsense should be considered a public good. Like helping an old lady cross the street, or not littering or something. Let's all just ignore his clown world bullshit and let him scream into the void, shall we?

Finis-XII posted...

Every Gfaqs poster agreeing to put Saikostyle on ignore and never engaging with his mindless nonsense should be considered a public good. Like helping an old lady cross the street, or not littering or something. Let's all just ignore his clown world bullshit and let him scream into the void, shall we?

Sounds fair enough

Omega posted...

I wish all American restaurants would just add an automatic 20% gratuity to every ticket. It would solve all of this bullshit.

Would it? Now they'd be actually obligating customers to pay their staff.

Deutschenlied posted...

Would it? Now they'd be actually obligating customers to pay their staff. Non-tippers would hate that more.

Do non-tippers complain about part of the prices they pay at Walmart (or any other retailer) going towards staff wages? Don't see many threads about it.

It's the tipping culture itself that is toxic. Working people yelling 'go fuck yourself!' at each other while fighting over the crumbs the owners let fall from the table.

SHRlKE posted...

For the people who say eliminate tipping. What do you think of the UK where serving staff are paid full wage I.e. arent expected to top it up with tips?

Last week my boss took the department out for a dinner. Total was 700 ($900). No tip.

SHRlKE posted...

I still tip for good service. Once we had crap meal but good service. I told the waitress for every pound she got removed off the bill from her manager wed give it to her as a tip.

Lol, that's quite cool.

Deutschenlied posted...

Uh I said not tipping isn't what will eliminate tipping. We should eliminate tipping, but that won't happen without legal and economical changes. Businesses need to be legally compelled to change.

It's not compulsory. Stop tipping and see what happens.

Rika_Furude posted...

there is the third option of outright banning the practice of tipping. Thats not going to happen

False. In the UK McDonald's bans tipping.

pazzy posted...

The response is just don't eat out and let the businesses die for it.

In the UK, after COVID, a lot of bars, cafes and restaurants were struggling to re-hire staff. There were literally adverts for staff up everywhere. Basically, bar staff were able to take their pick, so they went to the ones with better paym as a result, the places paying less found it harder to recruit. In the end, a lot of places went under. I guess it drove up both wages and quality.

Nemu posted...

There's no legal mandate for it, but it makes you look like an absolute asshole. I'd imagine a restaurant could probably ban you for it as well, right to withhold service and all that.

Wtf. Based on anything real that you've seen?

SAlYAN posted...

Indeed. The same social contract that precludes you from going up to a random woman on the street and unprovoked calling her a c****y, std-ridden megabitch.

You CAN do that. Theres no law saying you cant. Youre free to say whatever you want. Youre just an asshole for doing so.

Um...

Deutschenlied posted...

raise no prices

I think it would be fine to raise prices as long as its not crazy, and they pay their workers a normal amount

Incorporating the service charge into the bill would guarantee wages, get rid of the awkwardness, social pressure, and antagonism around tipping, and keep the undeserving poor out of restaurants (which some seem very keen to do).

Don't see a downside.

DarkDoc posted...

It's not compulsory. Stop tipping and see what happens.

They usually just remember you, and no one wants to be your waiter, and youll probably get shit service Assuming you return to that place after not tipping, it they know you

DarkDoc posted...

False. In the UK McDonald's bans tipping.

I thinking certain places can ban tipping. But I think they mean banning it nationwide like that for everywhere wouldnt happen

In the UK, after COVID, a lot of bars, cafes and restaurants were struggling to re-hire staff. There were literally adverts for staff up everywhere. Basically, bar staff were able to take their pick, so they went to the ones with better paym as a result, the places paying less found it harder to recruit. In the end, a lot of places went under. I guess it drove up both wages and quality.

Quick question because I honestly don't know the answer: how has tipping in the USA changed with contactless card/phone payments? In the UK we only had a very small tipping culture to start with, but in the last 2 years, as people have stopped using cash, tipping has been virtually eliminated.

LinkPizza posted...

Dumb argument. I can afford the food just fine.

I never understand this. Why do people have such trouble distinguishing between affording something and free will? What's so confusing? Just because you have enough money for something doesn't mean you want to buy it, lol. The reason I don't own a Taylor Swift CD is simply because I don't want to own a Taylor Swift CD. It's got nothing to do with whether $10 is too expensive for me, ffs.

LightningThief posted...

You quite literally care more about waitresses than non tipped essential workers who make less

Why do you keep calling them essential workers? That word has a specific meaning. The whole restaurant sector is literally defined as "consumer discretionary".

ai123 posted...

Do non-tippers complain about part of the prices they pay at Walmart (or any other retailer) going towards staff wages? Don't see many threads about it.

Good point. One of the reasons I use a manned checkout in supermarkets is because I wanna support the staff. Conversely, the reason I don't use self service is because the store doesn't subtract anything off my bill that would normally have paid somebody's wages.

LinkPizza posted...

They usually just remember you, and no one wants to be your waiter, and youll probably get shit service Assuming you return to that place after not tipping, it they know you.

I doubt people working in a restaurant can remember thousands of customers and whether they tip or not, lol. Plus staff turnover at these places is immense. Also, I've never been in a restaurant where somebody didn't get served because nobody wanted to be their waiter, lol.

And like, if you're going to the same restaurant every night there's a problem...

I went to Olive Garden the other day and tipped the waiter 33%.

Kindness goes a long way.

ai123 posted...

Incorporating the service charge into the bill would guarantee wages, get rid of the awkwardness, social pressure, and antagonism around tipping, and keep the undeserving poor out of restaurants (which some seem very keen to do).

Don't see a downside.

Gotta make sure those poor people stay in their lane, you know.

Unknown5uspect posted...

Gotta make sure those poor people stay in their lane, you know.

Nothing worse than someone eating above their station in life, who can't make up the waiter's wages to more than they earn themselves.

A 15 dollar tip is kind of a crazy amount to tip. It's why I never understood the whole, "percentage of the bill" style of tipping. The waitress ain't cooking it. What's it matter to them if they're carrying a $10 steak or a $20 steak, they're still just carrying a plate and handing it to me.

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Shouldn't be.

400 posts in, and nobody has convinced anybody of anything.

Truth is, we all have our own thoughts on tipping. And our opinions are not easily changed.

Some people gonna tip more than others, some people less. In the end, dont worry about what others are tipping. Its not something you have any control over.

ai123 posted...

Nothing worse than someone eating above their station in life, who can't make up the waiter's wages to more than they earn themselves.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, and rightly mocking your dumb, elitist troll take.

DarkDoc posted...

It's not compulsory. Stop tipping and see what happens.

I didn't say it was compulsory. I said not tipping will not compel employers to pay their employees more. They'll just fire waiters that don't make enough in tips. Not tipping exclusively hurts the workers and does nothing to force the employer to change.

Employers need to be forced by law to change.

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That's not really that much for a small gathering of 6+ people at a decent restaurant. Get an entree ~$20 a piece, a drink for like $3 a piece, maybe a couple of appetizers or desserts, and $188 is easy to rack up.

Finis-XII posted...

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, and rightly mocking your dumb, elitist troll take.

Your ability to detect sarcasm is evidently very limited.

Hush.

DarkDoc posted...

Quick question because I honestly don't know the answer: how has tipping in the USA changed with contactless card/phone payments? In the UK we only had a very small tipping culture to start with, but in the last 2 years, as people have stopped using cash, tipping has been virtually eliminated.

Not much. You either add the tip on the card when paying, or write it on the receipt afterward depending on the place

DarkDoc posted...

I never understand this. Why do people have such trouble distinguishing between affording something and free will? What's so confusing? Just because you have enough money for something doesn't mean you want to buy it, lol. The reason I don't own a Taylor Swift CD is simply because I don't want to own a Taylor Swift CD. It's got nothing to do with whether $10 is too expensive for me, ffs.

If Im at the restaurant, the chance is high that I want to buy the food there So, I no my sure what point youre trying to make

DarkDoc posted...

I doubt people working in a restaurant can remember thousands of customers and whether they tip or not, lol. Plus staff turnover at these places is immense. Also, I've never been in a restaurant where somebody didn't get served because nobody wanted to be their waiter, lol.

And like, if you're going to the same restaurant every night there's a problem...

You dont need to remember everyone. But servers will usually remember regulars, good tippers, bad tippers, and problem causers While I havent been a waiter, I have (and still sort of) worked customer service. You remember certain people very well And I never said they wouldnt get served. But they probably wont get the best service And no one said every night. Even once a week, people remember you

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Guilty as charged.

Im from England too. I believe that the price you see should be the lowest accepted price the establishment will take as payment.

They say it costs 5 and you give them 5 then they complain that they wanted 7 then they should have had said 7 in the first place. Dont say it costs 5 if youre not going to accept 5.

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They might visit the table a couple of times within an hour to clear plates and refill drinks, but how much work is that really? $15 is a whole hourly wage for a lot of jobs, jobs that involve a lot more than occasionally moving dishes around or wiping off a table with a rag.

I'd understand your defense if the waiter literally lived at your table and met your every need for an hour straight, but that's not what's happening at all.

DarkDoc posted...

In the UK, after COVID, a lot of bars, cafes and restaurants were struggling to re-hire staff. There were literally adverts for staff up everywhere. Basically, bar staff were able to take their pick, so they went to the ones with better paym as a result, the places paying less found it harder to recruit. In the end, a lot of places went under. I guess it drove up both wages and quality.

LinkPizza posted...

In the UK, after COVID, a lot of bars, cafes and restaurants were struggling to re-hire staff. There were literally adverts for staff up everywhere. Basically, bar staff were able to take their pick, so they went to the ones with better paym as a result, the places paying less found it harder to recruit. In the end, a lot of places went under. I guess it drove up both wages and quality.

Am I missing something or did you really plagarize them, including their typo, while responding to them?

spriga posted...

Am I missing something or did you really plagarize them, including their typo, while responding to them?

Looks like they forgot to delete a part of the post they weren't replying to.

ai123 posted...

Looks like they forgot to delete a part of the post they weren't replying to.

This. I must have missed that last part I delete parts Im not responding to, and just accidentally left that part in

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And in a lot of places it isn't as well, so this just really lends more to simply making the food cost more at base and then paying everyone more.