Lurker > colliding

LurkerFAQs, Active Database ( 12.31.2018-present ), DB1, DB2, DB3, DB4, Clear
Board List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 6
TopicUlti's NFL Predix! Guaranteed half wrong or your money back!
colliding
09/16/19 1:36:13 PM
#9
it wasn't a terrible guess. the ravens are mad overrated right now and I do foresee the browns imploding. but yeah, now that ben's out the ravens can stumble into the postseason and do just fine
TopicWhat is your most recent regretted vg purchase?
colliding
09/16/19 1:32:47 PM
#62
oh yeah, the one before bloodstained was definitely vesperia de
TopicWhat is your most recent regretted vg purchase?
colliding
09/16/19 1:18:55 PM
#56
probably bloodstained (ps4)

I mean it's decently fun but the load times are atrocious and honestly I'd rather just replay sotn or the soma cruz games on ds
TopicNFL Discussion Topic Week 2
colliding
09/16/19 1:12:00 PM
#130
i'll never forgive roethlisberger for being a rapist
TopicRadiohead
colliding
09/15/19 8:50:16 PM
#15
the bends > ok computer > kid a > a moon shaped pool > amnesiac > in rainbows > httt > kol > pablo honey
TopicNew Tales of Arise trailer
colliding
09/15/19 5:21:36 PM
#6
I still got a bad feeling about this battle system
TopicWhat is your favorite movie of the Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy?
colliding
09/15/19 5:19:27 PM
#2
The World's End is by far the worst

There are arguments for either Shaun or Hot Fuzz, but I prefer the latter
TopicPlaying a lot of Grandia
colliding
09/15/19 5:18:17 PM
#2
Yeah, I enjoyed both when they came out but I never thought they were anything special

can't imagine playing them today
Topic3-3 is the fucking worst
colliding
09/14/19 12:30:10 PM
#108
I kind of like 6-DLC. It felt exactly like a 1-X case. I mean, yes, it was dumb as hell and the animations were too long but I still found it charming. Plus it's like the only case since the OT to have Maya back as an assistant, and I'm a sucker for Larry. So yeah, nostalgia, but it's good nostalgia.
TopicFinal Fantasy VII Remake to have a Classic Mode with turn based combat
colliding
09/14/19 11:37:14 AM
#6
Heroic Bigpun posted...

I'm picturing the same set up as we've seen but slower


basically. imagine crono trigger except instead of standing around while the gauge fills they're walking around and doing low-damage regular attacks
Topic3-3 is the fucking worst
colliding
09/14/19 11:34:57 AM
#104
5-3 is really good. play it again.

you're right about 5-2 though.

6-4 is an interesting case to think about in terms of "worst cases." It's the most obviously filler case in the series and just doesn't translate to the west. but I still don't think it's as bad as 4-3 or 2-3. I think I might actually like it more than 5-2 because it has some decent gimmicks and at least it has the decency to be over with relatively quickly
TopicFinal Fantasy VII Remake to have a Classic Mode with turn based combat
colliding
09/14/19 11:23:54 AM
#3
So it's basically "auto-battle" until your ATB fills, and then it automatically brings up the tactical mode window
Topic3-3 is the fucking worst
colliding
09/14/19 9:56:32 AM
#100
Lamiroir is so bad, Daryan is bad, Machi is the literal WORST

3-3 is decent! Kudo kind of sucks but his theme makes up for it. Like every case in the original trilogy it's better with text skip.
TopicJustin Wong just got called out by the Looney Tunes.
colliding
09/09/19 10:39:42 AM
#13
switch yosemite sam with porky and you cracked it
TopicSo I'm working on my backlog, but I got a lot of big RPGs
colliding
09/09/19 10:37:37 AM
#20
DQ 8 is far and away the best game on the list. My personal vote goes to Octopath, because I'm destined to defend that game until I die.

Disgaea is whatever. Never played Golden Sun.

Radiant Historia, Symphonia, and the Xenoblade games deserve antivotes. Monster Hunter World is probably the most overrated game in recent memory.
TopicJustin Wong just got called out by the Looney Tunes.
colliding
09/08/19 1:34:29 PM
#9
Marvin should definitely be in S tier with Bugs and Daffy
TopicLord Zedd died.
colliding
09/08/19 1:28:32 PM
#5
Zedd's dead, baby
TopicAntonio Brown got released. LMFAO.
colliding
09/07/19 5:50:10 PM
#4
lol Pats do it again
TopicLeak -- Gamestop is being Toys R Us'd soon.
colliding
09/07/19 4:46:28 PM
#55
honestly the reasons I never shopped at gamestop are mostly due to them pushing preorders. I also didn't like how I felt like I was walking around in a toy store. bring back electronics boutique!
TopicBox Office Topic II
colliding
09/07/19 4:43:31 PM
#20
maybe people who don't know the story are turned off that they're adults now?
TopicBox Office Topic II
colliding
09/07/19 4:26:12 PM
#16
Did I say 120 million? I meant to say, ah who cares. I'm terrible at box office guessing
TopicLife Imitates Ace Attorney Again
colliding
09/07/19 4:16:06 PM
#2
I thought you were going to say someone got killed with dough
TopicXenoblade Chronicles remaster????????
colliding
09/07/19 4:15:09 PM
#69
I only played this for the 3DS. I liked it a lot but I don't know if I have the time or energy to re-invest in this
TopicAntonio Brown got released. LMFAO.
colliding
09/07/19 4:13:53 PM
#3
Is there some unwritten rule that there always has to be a clown wide receiver at all times during the NFL
TopicDamn, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island STILL Looks Ridiculously Good
colliding
09/07/19 4:11:12 PM
#16
LadyVyxx posted...
colliding posted...
I don't even count it as a Mario, tbh

it's the first game in the Yoshi (platforming) series


Get out


I didn't realize this was a hot take

To me Mario is about powerups and dying if you get hit if you're small. Yoshi is about retrieving baby mario, flutter jumping and ricocheting eggs.
TopicDamn, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island STILL Looks Ridiculously Good
colliding
09/06/19 9:27:09 PM
#11
I don't even count it as a Mario, tbh

it's the first game in the Yoshi (platforming) series
TopicSuper Nintendo NSO is up.
colliding
09/05/19 10:26:16 PM
#13
VintageGin posted...
Tried Puyo Puyo 2 and promptly got destroyed like 5 times by the second round opponent. That ramped up quick


yeah, it's so fun but I lose a lot.

I ended up getting to level 3 though (when it starts getting faster) and then I had to head on outta there
TopicBox Office Topic II
colliding
09/05/19 10:11:25 PM
#4
It's gonna do more like 120
TopicChapelle's Sticks and Stones is the best comedy special of this generation.
colliding
09/05/19 9:58:12 PM
#38
I watched it, finally. Didn't think it was all that funny but I wasn't offended either. I think I just don't like stand up in general because whenever someone recommends me one I watch it and I either don't laugh or cringe. I liked Chapelle's Show back in the day and I like sketch comedy in general, just standup doesn't do it for me.
TopicSuper Nintendo NSO is up.
colliding
09/05/19 9:52:57 PM
#10
Man the first Breath of Fire is rougher than I remember

Died in my very first random battle, lol. Didn't even get a chance to grind.
TopicDamn, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island STILL Looks Ridiculously Good
colliding
09/05/19 9:51:34 PM
#1
Fired this up on the Switch first thing and it's even better looking and sounding than I remembered

Talk about a timeless game
TopicGrandia 3 and Xtreme remasters, new Grandia in consideration
colliding
09/04/19 3:13:19 PM
#4
i'd rather have lunar 3 than a new grandia game
TopicAstral Chain Review Zone
colliding
09/03/19 7:46:39 PM
#67
yeah it's good
TopicFavorite Final Fantasy VIII character
colliding
09/03/19 7:45:05 PM
#20
It's obviously laguna
TopicTim Rogers: Final Fantasy VIII Remastered is the best way to play FFVIII
colliding
09/02/19 12:46:30 PM
#5
...whatever.
TopicWhat's your favorite character voice/voice acting in any game?
colliding
09/02/19 12:43:52 PM
#28
9S from Nier: Automata
Tales of Berseria in general but particularly Magilou
Dragon Quest VIII
MGS1-4
TopicAstral Chain Review Zone
colliding
08/26/19 12:47:35 PM
#4
this game looks like goty material for sure

got it preordered
TopicStar Wars Episode IX poster
colliding
08/25/19 7:33:13 PM
#26
bringing back palpatine is still such a dumb idea
TopicSpider-Man out of the MCU
colliding
08/24/19 5:02:30 PM
#296
(not so) hot take - I tune out whenever vision or scarlett witch are on screen. total snoozers. should've killed wanda off in endgame and not brought back vision.
TopicStar Wars Episode IX poster
colliding
08/24/19 5:00:54 PM
#10
the fanfiction is strong in this one
TopicSpider-Man out of the MCU
colliding
08/24/19 12:35:50 PM
#293
I'm not interested in Vision unless it's an adaptation of King's trippy weird domestica vision from the limited series
TopicSpider-Man out of the MCU
colliding
08/23/19 7:43:49 PM
#246
I just can't get into the idea of marvel tv shows on disney+

I just have serious doubts that they'll be good

in other news, apparently kit harrington is joining the mcu. wolverine? get rose leslie as jean?
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/23/19 1:01:48 PM
#42
I'm just saying it's "post final boss" stuff is almost more disappointing than octopath's considering that you're right, the game does provide a lot of really good party interactions up to that point
TopicSpider-Man out of the MCU
colliding
08/23/19 12:57:30 PM
#229
Garfield vs. Spider-Man: Dawn of Nermal
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/23/19 12:55:21 PM
#40
htaeD posted...
My only major disappointment was the lack of character reactions mostly with said final secret boss


doesn't stop people from loving final fantasy 7
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/22/19 2:16:30 PM
#28
Nelson_Mandela posted...
It wasn't the "story" per se that made me quit octopath 8 hours in. It was the absolutely embarrassing dialogue.

The story would have to be really unique and compelling for me to overlook what was a painfully written game.


whaten? you didn't liken the dialogue?
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/22/19 11:06:41 AM
#13
some pretty cynical responses here so far, as expected. oh well! I'm sorry the game wasn't satisfying for you. Also this:

TotallyNotMI posted...
"There's a lot of story, you just have to imagine it" is certainly not a take I've ever heard before.


isn't what I'm saying. I'm not saying "there's a lot of story." I'm saying that what is there inspires people to fill in the blanks and invites players to co-write the story. Again, if you want a story handed to you, like a film, then sure, it doesn't do that. you can argue that this inherently makes it bad or lacking, but that's not my approach.

this doesn't excuse any and all games with "bad stories." there are games that take this approach and fail (I'm thinking of Saga Frontier in particular).

finally, there are a lot of games that force feed players rigidly construed bad or boring stories - I'd rather have a spartan approach that encourages imagination than something like this.
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/22/19 7:16:08 AM
#5
Back to Octopath now.

The way FFVI and CT work is that they don't abandon narrative; rather they start out with a critical conflict and then give the player a handful of well-developed characters and a narrative skeleton on which to build. CT has Marle getting sucked into the past and the discovery of Lavos. FFVI has Terra on the run and the party reuniting to fight Kefka. Octopath admittedly doesn't have anything like this. Instead it has 8 separate, smaller, more personal crises that propel individual journeys. The game here expects players to provide their own motivations for the group traveling together. Here is where, I believe, most people begin to take issue with the story.

However, the game provides attentive players with plenty of motivations aside from the tried and true "you need more party members so you don't die" strategy. Players just have to swing the axe themselves.

Primrose wants to use Alfyn for her own ends, before ultimately becoming actual friends.
Therion similarly wants to steal whatever ultimate treasure Tressa finds
Alfyn comes across a wounded H'aanit in the town tavern and helps her for free

If you didn't absolutely relish coming up with these imaginary scenarios then I truly feel sorry for you. If all early JRPG's are essentially dungeons and dragons for people with no friends then Octopath is the platonic ideal of that model. You get out what you put in. This applies for critiques 1 and 2 in particular. The "additional scenes" of party banter aren't meant to be "Tales of" esque skits... they're meant to jumpstart your imagination so you can do more of this work on your own. It's not that the party members are silent/non-existent when Primrose is betrayed in her story...it's (fill in the blank). This is not a flaw or a plot hole. This is the game inviting you to be a co-author.

The third major complaint - that all the stories are the same - is only true if you allow it to be true. How Alfyn hunts a mythical creature is bound to be different than how H'aanit would. Olberic's quest for revenge is different than Primrose's. Players are given the freedom to tackle chapters in whatever order they wish with whichever character they choose (side note: I DO think the game is flawed in that it won't allow you to change out your initial character). Now if you want to complain about the maps themselves being too similar... that's fine. That's not a story flaw, but a design one.

I think I'm done. I hope I've been convincing. Best case scenario is I get someone who wrote the game off to try it again. But if you still disagree with me that's fine too. People have different tastes and I respect that. I just wanted to speak my peace.
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/22/19 6:55:09 AM
#4
I'm going to diverge here for a second to talk about Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger. Critical consensus from fans and critics alike speak to these jrpg's being monumental games. If you dislike these games, then I completely understand why you don't like Octopath and you can quit reading now (if you ever started to begin with). However, many of the people who have criticized Octopath love FFVI and CT, even though they are similar. Now, I'm not saying that Octopath is better or even as good as these games, but again... they work the same way.

Here are some of my favorite parts about FFVI narrative:

- Sabin's one-sided crush on Celes
- The "old gang" (Sabin, Shadow, and Gau) going to rescue Cyan from his dream
- Cyan breaking down in the Underground Castle
- Relm going to confront Ultros at the coliseum
- Strago using Life 3 to figure out how to beat the Magic Master at the top of the Cult Tower

Attentive readers will notice that none of this stuff "actually" happened. But in my mind they absolutely did. And in many ways, these "head canon" scenes are much better left in my imagination than if they were actually put in the game's coding itself. The world of ruin gives players the freedom to basically craft the game's second half. You can head straight to Kefka's Tower after getting the airship. Or, if you're like me, you can imagine how you would adapt this game into an episodic tv show, thinking up side stories. FFVI''s story is able to become a different narrative in the minds of each individual player.

This same principle applies in CT. Ask yourself why you choose the characters you do. For example, why do I always choose Frog and Marle to come with me to Magus's castle, even though that's not an optimal party? Because they're the characters with the most emotional investment. Why do I take Ayla with me to Zeal? Because it makes sense that she would be there if we end up there directly after being in the prehistoric.

(to be concluded)
TopicIn Defense of Octopath Traveler's Story (spoilers for OT, CT, and FFVI)
colliding
08/22/19 6:38:01 AM
#2
The most common complaints leveled against the game are:

1. No over-arching narrative
2. Not enough party interaction
3. All the stories are the same

All of these criticisms can be addressed through a simple re-orientation of what one expects when it comes to video game narratives. I'll get to this later. First, I want to make it clear that the first critique is flat-out false. There is a subtle overarching narrative that is surprisingly emotional and epic. That being said, I will admit that Octopath's overarching narrative is technically relegated to the "post-game" and is so hard to activate that most players will not figure out how to activate the quest without consulting the internet. I will also admit that the extra dungeon is... well, not a dungeon really.

One more thing about the over-arching narrative; I believe many are unsatisfied due to their own expectations. While this game does have an overarching lore, Octopath isn't really about huge world-ending cataclysms in the way most jrpg's are. The developers are out to tell smaller, more personal stories that intertwine through their similarity. The story works by seeing how separate individuals respond to similar conflicts/choices (again, more on this later).

Now, when I said earlier that all of the criticisms can be addressed through a "re-orientation," here's what I mean. Octopath, and by extension the early Square Enix 16-bit rpg's it emulates, are more like comics/graphic novels than movies. Video game storytelling, as a genre, has by and large become more cinematic as graphics have improved, but Octopath stays true to its roots by cutting up the story into sections and allowing the player to "fill in" the gaps. Players here might initially complain - "a game I paid 60 dollars for shouldn't require me to tell my own story." I find this complaint banal and short-sighted, as the best stories are those that compel their viewers/listeners/readers to invest their imagination into.

In "Understanding Comics," Scott McCloud talks about panel transitions and "the gutter" - the space between panels, as places that compel readers to imagine what happens. In that way, the player/reader becomes co-author to the story. For example, if one panel features a person being chased by a second person with an axe, while the next panel features a shot of the moon and EEEYYAAAAAA in big spooky letters, readers imagine what has happened: "the reader is the one that swings the axe."

Octopath does the same sort of thing.

(continued)
Board List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 6