Lurker > Tyranthraxus

Always redirecting me to some shit like iphone-lucky.club

There's nothing to report because the only thing I can do is close my browser when it happens. The redirect happens basically as soon as the page loads or some shit.
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thanks-gohan posted...

Because you're comparing two totally different social climates. I'd like to think we grew smarter and morally since then.

We did and then people elected Trump so now we're back to square 1.
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thanks-gohan posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

thanks-gohan posted...

one of the issues with debating nazis live is that it gives them an opportunity to frame the debate on their own terms.

Please find me a nazi who can convince rationally minded people killing jews is a good idea. No amount of framing would ever get that point across as a win.

Hitler wasn't elected on a "kill the Jews" platform. That didn't come into swing until he was already in office for several years.

At first the only thing you had to do was put a sign outside your business to let people know it was Jewish-owned.

Are you really comparing 1930s Germany to 2010s America?

Yes.

Why wouldn't I?
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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thanks-gohan posted...

one of the issues with debating nazis live is that it gives them an opportunity to frame the debate on their own terms.

Please find me a nazi who can convince rationally minded people killing jews is a good idea. No amount of framing would ever get that point across as a win.

Hitler wasn't elected on a "kill the Jews" platform. That didn't come into swing until he was already in office for several years.

At first the only thing you had to do was put a sign outside your business to let people know it was Jewish-owned.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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DarkRoast posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

If you take a 1mm cube of that shit out of the star it will fall apart harmlessly.

And by harmlessly you mean exploding into billions of tons of radioactive gas

Nah. Neutronium only gets the way it does because it's part of a massive celestial object. If you take a tiny chunk out it disintegrates because the new gravity conditions can't sustain it's existence.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Machete posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

If you take a 1mm cube of that shit out of the star it will fall apart harmlessly.

What would happen if you smack it with your penis?

Nothing because by the time you reach for your penis the cube will have already disintegrated harmlessly.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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If you take a 1mm cube of that shit out of the star it will fall apart harmlessly.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

If a YouTube rep came out and said "Fuck you" I would respect YouTube so much right now tbh

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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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tullock posted...

Sorry guys. Been in a bit of a rough patch lately. Are you having that issue on phone or computer uploads?

It's only a phone issue. If you turn the phone sideways it replaces the box ad with a smaller banner one and then you can use the rest of the site normally.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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MwarriorHiei posted...

Veggeta X posted...

So gachas on mobile will still be a thing. FML.

gacha units/equipments are typically stronger than free-to-play alternatives so that should count as pay-to-win, which means gacha games are fucked.

Gacha is fucked because it's gacha. You're not allowed to have random game content purchases so even if they were worse than the free units it would still be illegal under this bill.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-saudi-arabia-deal-bombs-uae-arms-trade-congress-yemen-a8929741.html

Ok
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Sorry, you didn't post any pictures and I can't shake the mental image of a woman with Shaq's face.

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Dark_SilverX posted...

boxington posted...

hasn't prostitution been observed in monkey and other ape societies?

Yup. Female apes used to bend over for banannas back in the early 1200s.

Not really sure where the banana thing came from but most apes have very little access to bananas in the wild.

Most apes that eat them are being fed them by humans.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Mizznox posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I'm afraid to click it

To directly quote Mr Giuliani:

ivesssapology for a video which is allegedly is a caricature of an otherwise halting speech pattern, she should first stop, and apologize for, saying the President needs an intervention. Are

This is like some cross between Jar Jar and Yoda was tweeting some shit while having a stroke
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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It's just goats saying it

You tell me
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

There's a chance

No. There isn't. That's literally the fucking point of this bill is to get rid of "chance"

A game having an absurd cost is fine, having an unknown cost left up to chance is not.

Lol how literal. A game having an absurd price is not fine, and games having an absurd price becoming the norm is worse for the consumer than microtransactions. Microtransactions, while bad, are completely optional. Increasing the price or putting base game content behind paywalls remove the option.

Nah. Absurd price games are a clear advantage because all games with a fixed price eventually go down in price. You can buy Skyrim + all dlc today for less than vanilla cost in 2011.

Loot boxes is just a non-stop money sink.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

There's a chance

No. There isn't. That's literally the fucking point of this bill is to get rid of "chance"

A game having an absurd cost is fine, having an unknown cost left up to chance is not.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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A_A_Battery posted...

It really probably isnt. If merely getting things for partnering up is prostitution then tons of marriages are just that. No one will tell you thats prostitution and it does not work conceptually or as per peoples usage of the word.

Prostitution is a woman getting something, providing the service, then no commitment. Whos to say the hunter gatherer of old did not simply partner up with the woman in some fashion?

This given, there is no end of things that could have come first. Most notably selling more mundane, necessary things.

There's no real evidence to support bartering until the rise of specialization which didn't happen until after the transition to an agrarian society.

I don't really count hunting / gathering that was just shit you had to do to live. The real jobs back then would be medicine, fighting, and primitive tribal politics. Prostitution would have been a way for women to get things from men to help care for their children but it's impossible to say what came first.

Just that it definitely wasn't agriculture.
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Agriculture is the science and art of cultivating plants and livestock. Agriculture was the key development in the rise of sedentary human civilization, whereby farming of domesticated species created food surpluses that enabled people to live in cities.

Grats. Most modern historians agree that it took humans around 10,000 years to figure out how to farm crops.

So explain how agriculture was the first profession.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

But it's not

Every species is born to breed, that's the driving force every EVERYTHING. Who breeds with the female? The best male, the one the provides

Best male is typically determined by males killing all the other males.
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

The world's oldest profession was probably war. I imagine the idea that you had to bargain with a woman for her vagina came after.

Still though, 2nd oldest is still pretty damn old.

Mercenarism is sometimes called the world's second oldest profession. Prostitution gets to be #1.

Agriculture is number one.

Agriculture definitely did not come first

Oh so people magically were sated back then? You need to eat to survive. Hunting and gathering came first.

Do you understand what agriculture is?
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Grindcorp9000 posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

The world's oldest profession was probably war. I imagine the idea that you had to bargain with a woman for her vagina came after.

Still though, 2nd oldest is still pretty damn old.

Mercenarism is sometimes called the world's second oldest profession. Prostitution gets to be #1.

Agriculture is number one.

Agriculture definitely did not come first
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

There's also tons of successful games that do have lootboxes, and now they're going to find a different way to monetize those games which will effect people that don't partake in microtransactions.

So the EA, 2K, Activision, Ubisoft, whatever F2P companies, Bethesda, etc companies that have products that a lot of people enjoy will most likely find another way to monetize their games. This is the reality of this going through. How do you think they will monetize them?

That pretty much doesn't fucking matter. If they're monetized in a way that's not random, it'll still be an improvement. If I have to pay $500 to unlock everything I want, that's good information that I can use to decide if I want to spend that kind of money or not.

If I have to spend a random amount between $0 and $10,000 and won't know how much until after I make the purchase, that's bullshit.

And when that doesn't bring in the money expected what happens? Actual content behind paywalls, increased retail prices, plenty of ways they could be more egregious than lootboxes.

They fundamentally can't be. The appeal of loot boxes is that there's a chance you can get what you want for free.

Once pricing becomes deterministic, it is no longer a gamble but just a decision if the content you're trying to purchase is worth it or not.

It takes around $7,000 to buy all train simulator content. But it's a fixed price. Maybe I don't want all the content and only buy $300 worth. Maybe I do want all the content and if that's worth a $7,000 purchase then that's still my decision.

When it's random, it's no longer my decision. The random algorithm decides how much I have to spend and doesn't tell me. I can only choose to spend or not spend. I can't decide if it's worth the money I have to spend. I can only decide that I've lost enough money not getting what I wanted.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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The world's oldest profession was probably war. I imagine the idea that you had to bargain with a woman for her vagina came after.

Still though, 2nd oldest is still pretty damn old.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

There's also tons of successful games that do have lootboxes, and now they're going to find a different way to monetize those games which will effect people that don't partake in microtransactions.

So the EA, 2K, Activision, Ubisoft, whatever F2P companies, Bethesda, etc companies that have products that a lot of people enjoy will most likely find another way to monetize their games. This is the reality of this going through. How do you think they will monetize them?

That pretty much doesn't fucking matter. If they're monetized in a way that's not random, it'll still be an improvement. If I have to pay $500 to unlock everything I want, that's good information that I can use to decide if I want to spend that kind of money or not.

If I have to spend a random amount between $0 and $10,000 and won't know how much until after I make the purchase, that's bullshit.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

So how else can companies monetize their games at this point if this goes through?

There's literally tons of successful games that don't have lootboxes.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Manocheese posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Manocheese posted...

We don't need the government deciding what can and can't be in video games.

Yeah apparently we do because the problem has only gotten worse over time.

What problem? Companies making games you don't like? If you don't like them, don't play them.

Ok Veggeta X
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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TreyFlowers posted...

Tariffs are never good, they don't help your economy, they just reduce spending which *gasp* slows your economy!

Tariffs are bad for the economy. They're not "never good"

They've been used in the past to financially cripple people who were trading with some other people that we didn't like.
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No.

Relativistically speaking from your perspective you appear to be the center of the universe. There's some complicated math that makes it work somehow but I forget what it is.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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thanks-gohan posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

thanks-gohan posted...

PC wins again

All PC components manufactured in China

False

Okay. There's like some cases, fans, water cooling, maybe some speakers and monitors not manufactured in China.

Everything that matters, GPU, RAM, motherboards, and CPUs all come from foxconn which is a Taiwanese factory in China. Trump boasted that foxconn was going to open a factory here but I'll give you 3 guesses as to what happened and the first two don't count
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Prestoff posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

No. I'm pretty sure that it's intended and some games are going to successfully argue they're not for minors, such as Mortal Kombat.

That's an extreme example though. Something more in the gray area like CoD is technically for "mature and older audience", but it also has a massive "younger audience" as well that has some form of loot box esque system. This is why I think the age gating thing will lead to alot more gaming companies to use it as a loophole, which I will say to get rid entirely.

Like I said there's no exemption for age gating. You don't get to make Disney Princesses the game and then claim all of your players are over 18 because of a checkbox.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Does CoD really fit the bill here? It's not really aimed towards minors yet they're the core demo.

Yeah CoD is probably going to be in scope as there look to be several clauses designed specifically with CoD in mind.

How are they going to categorize it as being targeted to minors though? Might be a fairly funny revelation to American society as a whole lol

They're going to argue the publishers know that they have many players under 18

But doesn't it only apply to games that are targeted towards minors? They could very well play those games and be the majority of the demo yet they're still not the target audience, or at least that could be argued.

If you know your game has a minor audience then it's considered targeted towards minors for the purposes of this bill.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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r25 posted...

Power scaling is a problem only because Akira Toriyama likes to give massive strength boosts. If the power ups were smaller, then everything would be fine.

This is one of the things I like about Saint Seiya.

The characters have a very gradual power creep over time and it often isn't enough. Most foes are defeated by a creative use of one of their abilities. The only major power spike is God Cloths.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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s0nicfan posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Does CoD really fit the bill here? It's not really aimed towards minors yet they're the core demo.

Yeah CoD is probably going to be in scope as there look to be several clauses designed specifically with CoD in mind.

How are they going to categorize it as being targeted to minors though? Might be a fairly funny revelation to American society as a whole lol

Coming in the next CoD: on starting the game each time a warning comes up saying you must be over 18 to play this game, and to press X to continue.

There is no exemption for doing this.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

Does CoD really fit the bill here? It's not really aimed towards minors yet they're the core demo.

Yeah CoD is probably going to be in scope as there look to be several clauses designed specifically with CoD in mind.

How are they going to categorize it as being targeted to minors though? Might be a fairly funny revelation to American society as a whole lol

They're going to argue the publishers know that they have many players under 18
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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thanks-gohan posted...

PC wins again

All PC components manufactured in China
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Does CoD really fit the bill here? It's not really aimed towards minors yet they're the core demo.

Yeah CoD is probably going to be in scope as there look to be several clauses designed specifically with CoD in mind.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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kirbymuncher posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Not sure why you think that's unrealistic. Lots of countries have made gambling completely illegal. Japan is one of them.

considering that there are still a ridiculous amount of pachinko machines in the country (gambling), governments themselves hold lotteries (gambling) and the laws against these prevent things like fighting game tournaments from awarding proper prize pools (not gambling) I don't think they did a very good job of it <_<

Saying you'll ban gambling is not unrealistic but actually managing to adequately follow through is. There are just way too many people with a stake in the matter, often including the government that would be doing the banning itself

Pachinko is granted a special exception because of cultural reasons. That's literally it.
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Shadowplay posted...

Will it have slopes?

It has 3 degrees of slopes
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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GallisOTK posted...

What consoles that aren't garbage would be imported from China anyways?

Well they're all imported from China.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Prestoff posted...

Yeah I think the "targeted towards minors" part is going to be the loophole a lot of gaming companies are gonna try to exploit. They should just make it so that you can't spend money on random items.

No. I'm pretty sure that it's intended and some games are going to successfully argue they're not for minors, such as Mortal Kombat.

It's going to be pretty tough to weasel around the celebrity requirements for sports games or wrestling games no matter how much foul language and violence they add.

Reading the bill looks like the guy who wrote it has very clear games in his mind that he's targeting.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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EverDownward posted...

This is too weak, it needs to go harder on the offensive. Legislating only pay-to-win lootboxes is a small part of the problem when it needs to attack lootbox/microtransaction save for purely cosmetic items. I really hope they add some legitimate teeth to this bill, because right now it feels like it's barely got any bite to it.

For the most part it makes anything that you can buy multiple times illegal unless it's cosmetic.

That's pretty solid.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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s0nicfan posted...

Couldn't they bypass this with a simple "M" rating? I don't think they need to go full AO.

ESRB rating has no legal enforcement and is non compulsory to either adhere or to participate in.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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kirbymuncher posted...

AlisLandale posted...

Really wish it would just flat ban any mechanic that allows real money to be spent on a random-chance item.

I'm not totally against this but at the same time I cannot personally justify supporting this while not supporting a blanket ban on gambling in general which I don't think is at all realistic

Not sure why you think that's unrealistic. Lots of countries have made gambling completely illegal. Japan is one of them.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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AlisLandale posted...

Really wish it would just flat ban any mechanic that allows real money to be spent on a random-chance item.

Go scorched earth on everything lol

This is honestly the simplest answer. No loop holes. No evaluation of bullshit. No minor bullshit.

Just "you cannot sell a random item of any type for real money"
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

- It does not change competitive advantage (new characters in a MOBA, so long as they are balanced with there rest of the roster)

Lol, we're going to end up with lawyers in court arguing the balance of video game characters like a bunch of nerds.

There's "reasonable" clauses in the bill. Someone who does like 10% extra DPS probably doesn't matter. Someone who instantly kills other players is not reasonable.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Blair White: "No you see this is reasonable because wharglebargle"
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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kirbymuncher posted...

Also re:drafts in card games amd similar stuff: I assume this only applies to actual real money, which means you can still charge ingame currency that has absolutely no ties to actual money?

Yes, this doesn't apply to fake money like Diablo shards or whatever. Only real money and virtual money purchased with real money.

kirbymuncher posted...

Well, age gate line aside, I don't see how any publisher can realistically and truthfully say there are no minors playing their game unless they are very watchful / strict about every single sale or registration

There is no age gate line in the bill. I'm explaining that because it doesn't say you can age gate, it's not likely that age gating mechanisms will be allowed to circumvent this bill.

Manocheese posted...

We don't need the government deciding what can and can't be in video games.

Yeah apparently we do because the problem has only gotten worse over time.

Obviously the government shouldn't be allowed to dictate the content of those video games but they should be allowed to dictate financial regulations like they already fucking do with every other product in the country.
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It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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