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Shiki is cool, just below the level of all time great status for me.
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the pacing in kaiji absolutely kills me

I got all the way through it but I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as others.
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at home alone, either sleeping or working on some personal project. depending on how tired I feel around midnight specifically, I guess. I don't care that much about arbitrary time passing on an ancient calendar system. so uh... like four of these answers apply to me at minimum.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

oh dear i did not see that umbreon's left hind leg correctly at first

epic..
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original Trundle is significantly uglier, yeah
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Eerieka posted...

All along the coasts, mothers tucking their children in for the night warn that unless they behave, the terrible DONKEY KONG, scourge of the seas, will come ashore with his undead warriors and eat them.

lol this

also snorri sounds amazing

best doctor
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Dels posted...

I don't like even the smallest spoilers or implications of any kind (you know the type "oh man can't wait for you to get to X" "Y character becomes really awesome later", etc), so if there are any, I'll just stop posting!

*looks at Umineko fans*

RIP topic
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so he put himself into the game

epic...
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Tryndamere


First of all fuck whoever came up with this guy's name. Secondly, this wannabe beowulf has a really grating voice that just sounds way too forced and poorly acted. The fact that I started listening to voice lines in the later half is definitely gonna unfairly affect some characters rankings based on who sounds like a badly acted cartoon character and who sounds like a real person.

I could barely even find any options for art on this guy aside from his ingame art, because apparently he sucks enough that no one else has bothered to draw or cosplay him. Okay he's not THAT bad but he's honestly worse than all of the other generic badass dudes and they have ranked fairly low as a whole.

Anyway, lastly, his name should be around 9 letters shorter which is something you should never have to say in a character review. Oh and also I'd love to see beowulf kick this guy's ass.

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Syndra
Morgana
Evelynn
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Elise
Pyke
Miss Fortune
LeBlanc
Riven
Sejuani
Shyvana
Kha'Zix
Nunu & Willump
Kai'sa
Leona
Quinn
Ornn
Nautilus
Kindred
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Lissandra
Karma
Caitlyn
Aatrox
Tahm Kench
Rammus
Mordekaiser
Nocturne
Malzahar
Janna
Nidalee
Kayle
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Renekton
Neeko
Kassadin
Hecarim
Gnar
Maokai
Kalista
Trundle
Rengar
Rek'Sai
Master Yi
Nasus
Jax
Jayce
Katarina
Rumble
Swain
Rakan
Fiora
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Lulu
Karthus
Diana
Jhin
Kayn
Malphite
Fizz
Akali
Thresh
Shen
Poppy
Ashe
Azir
Ekko
Ezreal
Camille
Taliyah
Tristana
Soraka
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Lee Sin
Jinx
Kled
Irelia
Sona
Jarven IV
Ivern
Ahri
Orianna
Lux
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Nami
Olaf
Illaoi
Kog'Maw
Fiddlesticks
Cho'Gath
Annie
Garen
Lucian
Darius
Sivir
Talon
Singed
Kennen
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Blitzcrank
Pantheon
Ryze
Graves
Bard
Anivia
Alistar
Cassiopeia
Taric
Braum
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Sion
Tryndamere
Skarner
Gangplank
Draven
Brand
Galio
Teemo
Corki
Heimerdinger
Aurelion Sol
Amumu
Shaco
Dr. Mundo
Gragas
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that's an exceptionally bold prediction given the pace I've been going.

Teemo


So the space behind where I live is bordered by this chain link fence that goes all the way around the property. The fence isn't maintained particularly well and there's a small section of wooded grounds on the other side. There's a bunch of squirrels that live in and around here, and since the bottom of the fence is ripped open in many spots they are known for slipping under the fence to get back and forth. Actually, I don't know why they don't just climb over it, but whatever.

Anyway yesterday I was running around the back side of this area and there was a squirrel in my path. I guess because he saw me running toward him he got scared and panicked. He ran toward one of the gaps in the fence. He missed. He slammed headfirst right into the chain fence... flopped around on the ground, and then crawled underneath through the hole.

It's so hard for me to imagine Teemo as being remotely effective in combat.

Thresh


Overall cool, although I'm not really a giant fan of the whole flaming skull thing. It seems really impractical. Like where is the fuel for that fire coming from? What does his nervous system look like, exactly, that it's constantly wreathed in flame and doesn't seem to be impeded at all? Do the flames go out when he sleeps? But his skull is just floating inside a bunch of fire. So if the fire goes out does his head still float? Or does he have to set it down somewhere nearby and hope he doesn't lose it. If he takes his head off how does he find it at again? Can he see without it? His alt skins seem pretty lazy. All of them look very similar to his base design with the most minor cosmetic changes (usually just minor adjustments of colors)

Tristana


Too many Yordles. I feel like I've ranked this character 10 times already. I don't have anything else to say about it. I will say I went to listen to her quotes and they sound nothing like her appearance. Or, rather, I guess I expected her to have a high pitched annoying as fuck cartoon voice... was surprised that she has a normal, decent sounding voice. Guns are also cool if you're wondering why she's above some of the other yordle trash.

Also oh god I can't believe I'm gonna say this but I think the design on her ears is pretty cool.

Trundle


King of the trolls has a fairly good design. Trolls are awesome, although he is a particularly ugly one. He has some cool and funny skins. Honestly, looking over this topic, I haven't liked most of Riot's designs to make skins that broke flavor too much, but stuff like Trundle with a baseball uniform and bat is actually great to me, so he does manage to escape that potentially negative pitfall. He's not really great or terrible so I don't have much else to say about him. His good alternate splash arts will likely help his ranking a bit, but there's only so far it can take him.

At the end of the day he's just a blue caveman with a red nose.
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I have no opinion on any of those things

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what happens when you get 1000 achievements
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the show should have been called Elaine

#EndSexism
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maybe we could talk to allen about implementing some kind of woke af app to prevent any dogs from posting on the board or at least filter their whistling out of topics
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

sure, it keeps the Jews away from the whites. Super convenient.

woke
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

What is this universal anti-Globalist translation guide and where can I buy one?

just imagine the worst thing you want the other person to say, and then translate whatever they are saying as a "dog whistle" for whatever you want to hear
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most interesting thing about this topic is that board 8 has become more conservative or someone is stuffing the poll
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the dude is 93 years old and is feeling too tired to get out of bed

what exactly are you expecting to do, cast cure light wounds on him and give him the energy to get up
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I love how he eats allies as a rescue action

this sounds good
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eh, I think it's just a product of the list being so massive. if you remember my high praise for Aatrox at the beginning of the topic you can kinda see there's really not that much of a gap between Tahm and Pyke.
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Talon


Talon, THE BLADE'S SHADOW. Speaking of walking right off of another set this guy legitimately is directly taken from some Assassin's Creed fanfiction. No idea honestly how far back the 'guy in dark hooded clothes with hand blades' trope goes but I'll lazily attribute it to that because research is hard.

Honestly this is the kind of design I would have thought was awesome when I was fifteen. I am not fifteen anymore. None of this means that he's bad per se, and he'll probably rank better than some of the actively bad designs, but I certainly don't think he's any good. Generic/mediocre at best. The funniest thing to me is that a number of his splash arts are just variations of him drawn as different edgelord archetypes.

Taric


Something about this guy's face really annoys me, so let's get that out of the way first. Earlier on I talked about how a lot of male character designs tend to make them look unrealistically buff to the point where it looks bad; the shield of valoran is a good example of a fit looking dude with wide shoulders that actually looks normal and realistic, so good job on that aspect of his design. Still, his face pisses me off.

I can't put this dollar store romance novel character any higher than like, maybe the top end of the bottom section of the rankings. Though, granted, with the fact that we're over 100 characters now, that section has gotten pretty large by its own rights.

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Sejuani
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Leona
Quinn
Ornn
Nautilus
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Karma
Caitlyn
Aatrox
Tahm Kench
Rammus
Mordekaiser
Nocturne
Malzahar
Janna
Nidalee
Kayle
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Neeko
Kassadin
Hecarim
Gnar
Maokai
Kalista
Rengar
Rek'Sai
Master Yi
Nasus
Jax
Jayce
Katarina
Rumble
Swain
Rakan
Fiora
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Karthus
Diana
Jhin
Kayn
Malphite
Fizz
Akali
Shen
Poppy
Ashe
Azir
Ekko
Ezreal
Camille
Taliyah
Soraka
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Lee Sin
Jinx
Kled
Irelia
Sona
Jarven IV
Ivern
Ahri
Orianna
Lux
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Nami
Olaf
Illaoi
Kog'Maw
Fiddlesticks
Cho'Gath
Annie
Garen
Lucian
Darius
Sivir
Talon
Singed
Kennen
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Blitzcrank
Pantheon
Ryze
Graves
Bard
Anivia
Alistar
Cassiopeia
Taric
Braum
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Skarner
Gangplank
Draven
Brand
Galio
Corki
Heimerdinger
Aurelion Sol
Amumu
Shaco
Dr. Mundo
Gragas

still have 30 more to go after this, but we're getting so close to the end!
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Tahm Kench


The River King is apparently a demon with no particular design base, which I think actually puts him into a fairly unique and cool category. His face almost looks like that of a shark, but his body is more like that of a frog, although even to say like a frog isn't very close. Maybe some kind of catfish with arms and legs. I'm generally not a huge fan of such big-boned characters but overall I think his design has the potential to be cool. I read a little bit about him to see what he's about and I listened to a few of his quotes -- he has literally the exact voice that I would expect him to have.

Eh, throw another high ranking Demon into the pile.

Taliyah


For some reason this character reminds me of that vaguely similar art style that a bunch of cartoons all started using after Steven Universe became popular. Although she is roughly drawn in the same style as other League of Legends characters, her big round nose and generally soft featureless face really give that impression that she walked off the set of some cartoon network show and was hastily redrawn in a new style.

She's like an earthbender or something which only furthers my theory. Her design is overall on the good side more than the bad side, although I don't feel like it's too strongly great or anything either. Plus the fact that she looks a bit young makes me like her less. Young characters are pretty 'whatever' to me normally in stuff like this where the majority of my feelings toward them are based purely on design... and I don't particularly like young-looking characters.
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haha I didn't forget about the topic but I did basically give up on it.

I think having bots posting stuff constantly without anyone posting any real drawings or anything makes the topic feel pretty dead and pointless. like I've drawn some things in the meantime but I don't want to post them just to have bots replying and, likewise, people probably wouldn't even click on the topic to see my drawings because they would just think it was bots posting in here and nothing else.
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pick whoever you like the most

I always end up with Penny because I feel bad for her and think her life would be pretty miserable if she doesn't marry the farmer, while everyone else seems like they'll probably be fine.
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Nanis23 posted...

Fates vs Shadow Dragon who ya got

Shadow Dragon was good enough for me to beat it 4 times (Normal, H1, H3, H4) and I still try H5 from time to time but I generally get stuck on one map and give up. my last attempt actually got further than any of my previous runs, but I ended up burning myself out and putting the game down. good thing is that with the story being almost nonexistant I can pick it up and continue that run whenever I feel inspired.

Fates I had to force my way through to the end. I tried playing it again on harder difficulties to see if that would get me into the game but so far I haven't had much luck. it just doesn't hold my interest at all.
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Sacred Stones is my overall favorite

I'm always surprised when I remember it's actually overall pretty well liked. my strongest memories more relate to the game having many vocal haters. especially around the time it came out. I guess it just goes to show how the loudest voices in the room can easily shape the narrative.
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I can't land skillshots or aim really in any game, so that sounds great
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Syndra


Alright, I'm gonna admit, I doubted you guys. Update before last, I thought maybe you were talking about Shyvana. Shy is pretty good but not exactly there, she can't really take it to the limit. Then, as I was writing this, I'm thinking, surely they couldn't have meant Soraka. Yes, sure, Soraka is a nonhuman character with purple skin, but at the same time she is way too cute looking. They would know that I wouldn't like such a cute character. I thought, maybe, after all this time, after hundreds of posts, maybe you guys didn't really know me at all.



Despite being a merely magically altered human, I think Syndra might be my favorite on the list so far. She's definitely top tier material and I'm thinking more about her exact placement. I love her aesthetics, her personality, her concept. I wouldn't say her design is perfect by any means but I haven't seen any so far that were PERFECT. What I can say is that it was at least striking enough to make me immediately take notice, and I actually read more of the details on her biography and checked more of her voice lines than I do for the average character on this list.



I guess, more than monsters, more than demons of any kind, it turns out, my favorite types of characters are just insane and evil bad girls that look obviously dark and menacing. Oh, also, her Star Guardian splash is BY FAR the best one of the Star Guardians.



Of her legacy skins one looks like a persona character and the other is, as far as I'm aware, one of the few instances where a normal human lady was transformed into a hot monster lady. Good job, riot. Finally giving the fans what we've been asking for all this time... (Well, however long ago that legacy skin was added...)

Looks like we've got a new champion, and the difference almost solely comes down to just the Star Guardian skin being so great. Damn she looks so cool, evil, and sexy. Enough said.

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Miss Fortune
LeBlanc
Riven
Sejuani
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Kha'Zix
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Kai'sa
Leona
Quinn
Ornn
Nautilus
Kindred
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Karma
Caitlyn
Aatrox
Rammus
Mordekaiser
Nocturne
Malzahar
Janna
Nidalee
Kayle
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Renekton
Neeko
Kassadin
Hecarim
Gnar
Maokai
Kalista
Rengar
Rek'Sai
Master Yi
Nasus
Jax
Jayce
Katarina
Rumble
Swain
Rakan
Fiora
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Lulu
Karthus
Diana
Jhin
Kayn
Malphite
Fizz
Akali
Shen
Poppy
Ashe
Azir
Ekko
Ezreal
Camille
Soraka
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Lee Sin
Jinx
Kled
Irelia
Sona
Jarven IV
Ivern
Ahri
Orianna
Lux
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Nami
Olaf
Illaoi
Kog'Maw
Fiddlesticks
Cho'Gath
Annie
Garen
Lucian
Darius
Sivir
Singed
Kennen
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Blitzcrank
Pantheon
Ryze
Graves
Bard
Anivia
Alistar
Cassiopeia
Braum
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Sion
Skarner
Gangplank
Draven
Brand
Galio
Corki
Heimerdinger
Aurelion Sol
Amumu
Shaco
Dr. Mundo
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thanks for the kind words. I'm glad there are still people enjoying it!

crazy to think how close I am to being finished now but at the same time there are a TON of champs in the letter S and T so it's been pretty demotivating.. plus I usually have a harder time updating on weekends anyway...

Soraka


The Starchild is a nonhuman lady with a cool, unique skin color who... unfortunately has a way too cute-sy looking face that makes her look just a bit weird to me. I guess it's pretty well established at this point that I don't like "cute" things very much but really she has like those huge anime eyes and very child like facial features. Her design is fairly interesting and not as generic as many of the others, which helps a lot, and her nonhuman bonus is still worth something, but overall what it comes down to is that I don't particularly "like" her very much. Which counts a lot for a topic where I'm ranking them based solely on my first impressions!

Also her ingame model has really skinny legs and arms so I have to at least make fun of her twig body.

Swain


His face literally reminds me of Frollo from the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Ignoring his alternate splash arts, which look quite a bit different, this guy is basically if Frollo was actually a badass warrior general instead of a simpering coward. I don't particularly love old characters, and I generally prefer the aesthetics of young characters that I can relate to more, but I like most of everything else about his design aside from that. Cool armor set, interesting fire hand with pointy fingers, I think these will be enough to give him a fair ranking despite his oldness.
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where are the damn holiday updates
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saturdays
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yeah the anime is pretty controversial with many people hating it and very few loving it. I'm also among those who loved it. I think I do like the manga more, but that's only because of it being a more complete story.
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if you're against some really bad things that are universally recognized as bad that's not exactly a good measurement for who is good and who isn't. now if we're talking about allowing evil practices to take place as long as you benefit from them? that's something MOST people are guilty of. because, deep down, they aren't really opposed to evil all that much. they aren't all that good. most people are just not that good.

that's reality. and yeah, it's sad.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

These are all bad things. I'd take it most of the people who recognize them as bad are against them as well.

and yet look at my previous post where I explain that most people are lawful neutral. they seem perfectly fine benefiting from an evil system as long as it makes them feel safe. if you think those people are good you are nuts.
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doing a few good things doesn't automatically make you a good person. a neutral person can do good things. an evil person can do good things.

to qualify for good alignment you have to have the opposition to evil as one of your defining traits. something most people don't recognize or have the conviction for.
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I've heard people saying they liked it. pretty annoying since I don't want to have to watch it, but if it's good I will have to watch it...
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TommyVercetti posted...

fyi trump just signed legislation requiring work to receive it iirc.

this is actually not true, by the way. the final version of the bill did not contain the food stamp cuts.
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I don't know about anyone else, but my favorite skins are always the 80s arcade ones.

they're pretty cool, though I wouldn't say I love them or anything.
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also your alignment is as much about your potential as what you've actually done. I'd actually say I'm somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil. I've actually done plenty of evil things before, and there's many others I'd do if the conditions were appropriate.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

But similarly, I'd say you're actually neutral and not chaotic, given how you still subscribe to society and operate within it, despite your objections to how things are.

1. I don't think you know me well enough to make that judgement call

2. you literally just said that a person can be chaotic good just by being a hippie... but you don't think me, who literally hates lawful society that I was born into (against my choice) and forced to live within (under threat of JAIL) doesn't qualify as chaotic

okay then
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Lawful good most common

you believe that because you are lawful neutral, and you desperately want to think of yourself as good
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neutral good: this person tries to be kind and help others, is generally self sacrificing, and tries not to harm others intentionally. doesn't have particularly strong thoughts about the law one way or the other; they'll follow the rules as much as possible but they will prioritize doing the right thing. the main difference between neutral good and true neutral is that the neutral good person has an inclination do help others rather than pure self interest and, most importantly, you can observe their actions from an objective point of view and see that they have created good in the world. one of a kind individuals who are very rare and often recognized as good people by those from all walks of life.

chaotic evil: a radicalized chaotic neutral who no longer tolerates the flaws of society and, in seeking to create a more free (and thus "good") society they accidentally commit a litany of evil acts in order to try and achieve their lofty ideals. not as dangerous as the organized military complex of lawful evils, and probably not quite as annoying if only because it's less likely to get a bunch of them organizing into one group to shame you. the scariest thing about chaotic evil is their total disregard for the comfort and wellbeing of other humans as long as they can create a world where everyone is free to make their own decisions. even if the 'free market' causes a billion people to die it's totally cool because the overall amount of freedom will increase for the survivors.

(another gap)

chaotic good: to be honest I'm not entirely sure what a chaotic good person looks like but I doubt you'll find them very commonly. I guess it's like a chaotic neutral but more altruistic. they'd be similar to the neutral good paragon I described above but with more firmly established and consistent political thoughts on what makes society as a whole a good place (rather than just their own personal version of being good and helping others). and, the society they imagine, gives as little power to the government as possible.

lawful good: requires a rare combination of three traits. first, the absolute desire to do good in all things. secondly, the strict belief that the only way to achieve good is by using law and order to keep humans under control. third, somehow, despite those two conflicting hypocritical beliefs, they are also somehow this perfect person who is able to keep their lawful impulses in check and not force their grand ideals of lawful society upon others who disagree with them (because forcing your version of morality on others is not good). as you can imagine, this happens very rarely. in fact, they basically don't exist.
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alignment from most frequent to least frequent

lawful neutral: your average person who doesn't think very much about anything, but sincerely believes that laws are the only way to make everyone behave and cooperate. doesn't particularly give a shit about all of the evil stuff their government does (like drone striking the fuck out of the middle east for a decade) because 'that many deaths is only a statistic...' While they aren't truly evil they are perfectly fine allowing evil to exist (hello sweatshop slaves in third world countries!) as long as the system of law keeps them feeling safe and protected against their evil neighbor who would surely turn into a serial murdering rapist if there was no law against it

true neutral: doesn't strongly enough support one system of belief over any other to classify them as anything really. unlike the lawful neutral person, this guy doesn't seem to know or care whether the law is really the only true and correct way to make people behave. rather, they're fine just following the rules because they don't want to get punished. doesn't think much about good or evil and just does whatever suits them to get by day to day.

lawful evil: similar to lawful neutral, this variation is FAR more scary because of their intense dogmatic belief and adherence to their own personal code of morality. the most ruthless and effective thing about the lawful evil person is that they truly believe their way of doing things is right. they will never leave anyone else alone or let you do your own thing; the lawful evil person must constantly project their own personal politics into every situation and tries to moralize all situations so that they can use the excuse of morality and law to control others. while they are less common than the lawful neutral and true neutrals, these guys are about 10,000 times more annoying... and extremely dangerous if left unchecked.

(huge gap between these three and, well, anything else really)

neutral evil: criminals, basically. they don't actually oppose the idea of law and order being used to achieve a good society... they just don't care. the neutral evil person takes whatever they want and does whatever they want, very often at the detriment of others, and doesn't see anything wrong with the idea of looking out for themselves ahead of all others. often gets confused with chaotic evil but, trust me, this person would never be caught dead trying to overhaul society. all they want is to steal your iphone so they don't have to work a 9-5 job.

chaotic neutral: unsurprisingly, since we live in an ordered and polite society, chaotic folks are pretty rare. if many of them existed we would likely have a different type of social order that doesn't place such a strong emphasis on the law being morally just and righteous. the chaotic neutral character sees the many flaws inherent in their society and culture and has strong feelings against this way of living. you'll generally find this person arguing on the internet but not actually bombing any government buildings or anything like that. generally against the evils of society but realizes they don't have any power to stop it so they just quietly play along. everyone should be free to make their own decisions, but you shouldn't be infringing on other people's freedom with those decisions. the complexity of living in such a way makes this alignment very unlikely for most people (because they simply lack the level of self awareness and reflection needed)
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lawful neutral for sure

lawful good lmao hell no
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the physical stats in D&D make no sense either considering in real life someone can go from like 8 strength to 12 strength pretty easily if they just start working out regularly for a while. but in D&D you have to go kill a bunch of dragons and gain hundreds of thousands of experience just to earn the stat points to increase your strength from 8 to 12, and most of the time that's not even a good idea for your build -- someone who starts with 8 strength is probably dumping Str because they don't need it.
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Sion


An undead giant fitting the classic concepts of being large, wide, and good at close combat while being difficult to stop. To me this is like a cooler version of Mundo. Although Mundo is pretty lame, so...

Basically if you HAVE to make an undead juggernaut it should at least be imposing and dark looking, not a goofball cartoon character.

Sivir


The mistress of battle is another regular old human fighter lady. Her pizza delivery skin is kinda funny but I don't have much to say about her beyond that. Honestly probably one of the less interesting generic females to appear on the list so far, and this is despite the fact that I think giant shuriken are awesome.

Skarner


A giant scorpion that is a playable character for some reason. Honestly this looks more like a random monster you'd encounter in the hallway between important rooms in the dungeon, and he's worth about 2 EXP, but hey... what do I know?

Guess you can't judge someone based entirely on their appearance. Actually, you can, because that's what this topic is all about. Probably the saddest thing here is that 'generic random monster' is still cooler than a bunch of characters at the bottom of the list.

Sona


Something I have to admit, which I'm sure will make some people not so happy... I've always thought bards were really, really corny. Like the idea of somehow playing music to impact battle is just so inherently wrong and impractical I really can't get behind it. I think some people have a part of their brain that is like 'oh that idea is so ridiculous and that's why it's cool.' That part of my brain is missing.

Anyway, harp lady has a nice design but the idea of her somehow affecting the battle with an instrument is just too goofy for me to take seriously. I'm not sure if it's better or worse in this instance since they are trying to play it straight with the whole magic instrument thing rather than her just being some goofball rogue who runs around playing a lute during combat to 'buff' his allies.

Some of her splash arts make her look very tall, and she gets some bonus points from that. But I know she's a regular human so she can't really be all that tall now can she?

Rankings

Morgana
Evelynn
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Elise
Pyke
Miss Fortune
LeBlanc
Riven
Sejuani
Shyvana
Kha'Zix
Nunu & Willump
Kai'sa
Leona
Quinn
Ornn
Nautilus
Kindred
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Lissandra
Karma
Caitlyn
Aatrox
Rammus
Mordekaiser
Nocturne
Malzahar
Janna
Nidalee
Kayle
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Renekton
Neeko
Kassadin
Hecarim
Gnar
Maokai
Kalista
Rengar
Rek'Sai
Master Yi
Nasus
Jax
Jayce
Katarina
Rumble
Rakan
Fiora
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Lulu
Karthus
Diana
Jhin
Kayn
Malphite
Fizz
Akali
Shen
Poppy
Ashe
Azir
Ekko
Ezreal
Camille
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Lee Sin
Jinx
Kled
Irelia
Sona
Jarven IV
Ivern
Ahri
Orianna
Lux
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Nami
Olaf
Illaoi
Kog'Maw
Fiddlesticks
Cho'Gath
Annie
Garen
Lucian
Darius
Sivir
Singed
Kennen
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Blitzcrank
Pantheon
Ryze
Graves
Bard
Anivia
Alistar
Cassiopeia
Braum
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Sion
Skarner
Gangplank
Draven
Brand
Galio
Corki
Heimerdinger
Aurelion Sol
Amumu
Shaco
Dr. Mundo
Gragas
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also unlike D&D your beliefs and ideals can change over time without a level penalty or something else weird. someone who is lawful when they are younger might become more chaotic as they mature. and, sure, the opposite is also possible.

it's just tough for me to buy that lawful or chaotic characters can ever truly be good. because you're always putting your ideals (order vs freedom) at the front of any conversation to determine what you believe to be good. your entire idea of servicing good is just reinforcing your service to order or freedom as the ultimate 'good.'

of course I think chaotic good seems more like a real thing than lawful good, but that's only because I'm chaotic and I like to view myself as potentially a good person.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

btw Maria I kind of see what you mean by the lawful good dilemma; if you have a choice where you need to break your principles or violate direct orders to do the right thing, then you either need to fail to do the right thing and therefore not be good, or you need to fail to follow orders and therefore not be lawful. I don't think it's strictly black and white and there are gray areas that exist here, and someone can still generally strive for being both lawful and good in cases there they DON'T create conflict, but there is a problem here

yeah I mean I give a singular example but it's more the idea that people are fairly static. for me it's not about that one choice in that one pivotal moment. it's about all of the other times they are forced to make similar choices.

anyway I think lawful and chaotic are very interesting because you can choose which one you are. good and evil... not so much. I honestly think good and evil are way more subjective and really come down to how others view your actions.

this is where the gap between roleplaying games and reality is important. if I create an evil character, he shouldn't KNOW that he's evil. the only reason evil is written on the sheet is because I have an omniscient point of view relating to this character.

the issue with people in real life is that we are basically characters with no players controlling us. we can't see what is written on our sheets, we don't know if we're actually good or evil; most of us think we're good. but we're not all. however, you CAN know whether you are in support of lawful ideals or chaotic ideals. that makes it a lot more interesting for me to discuss.
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Pirateking2000 posted...

Chaotic Good: Do good and what they think is right at any cost. Fuck the laws and red tape if they get in the way.

your definitions are overall a bit too simple but this is one that no one else has commented on so far. what you're describing here is honestly closer to neutral than chaotic. a neutral character might obey the laws or they might not. a chaotic character is actively opposed to the idea of the laws and will seek to circumvent them. that is a core component of chaotic characters that is often overlooked because people simplify it down to just being random.

in order to be chaotic you must be actively opposed to the rule of law and order. at the very least, mistrust and dislike of arbitrary rule and codes has to be a core component of your personality. it's not just "if the red tape gets in my way I won't follow it." the chaotic good character sees the red tape itself as a problem, and your idea of good would be to tear down the establishment that is putting up all this red tape everywhere. even if you're not always acting on it that should be your way of thinking.

although, end of the day, the main difference between chaotic good and chaotic evil is how far they go. both of them are going to think they are doing the right thing. but depending on how many people get hurt along the way you can very quickly become evil. to go back to thanos; if you genocide half of the population in order to further your ideals you are certainly evil.
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