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How hard is it to learn to speak Korean?

What are some easy ways to get along immediately with a Korean person, considering the culture? (I guess you could change this to a what should you never say or do instead.)
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clearaflagrantj posted...

He is divorced with four kids across three moms.

Just zero fucking self awareness it blows my fucking mind. Maybe you should fix your own shitty life before judging others.

Wait, you just judged him, though. Answer fast: how's your life working out for you? I want to know if we should judge you, too. But then we will be judged. Damn, you've created a dilemma.
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tennisdude818 posted...

CoinBoxBaller posted...

Imagine being an ancap.

You can try to make the case that taxes are necessary. You can't make the case that they aren't theft.

Agreed. The posters here made a fair point that taxes do help your neighbor (i.e. the common good). It does help other people when the money is used properly. Unfortunately, they have not explained how it is not basically a racket, as in similar to the extortion that a gang would force on a shopkeeper for "his own protection." You either pay it or men with guns come to your house and you could end up in a cage, or you flee by leaving town, which is what many here have said is a legitimate option.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I'm saying it's silly to think you have the moral authority to tell your neighbor to not beat his wife when you routinely put your wife through a table like the Dudley Boyz. don't even put your neighbor's name in your mouth until you get your own household straight.

You sure you want to go down that road? Lots of people have argued that a specific group should not be rioting about violence against them, when you consider that statistically the members of that group are the ones committing far more violence against other members of their own group. You do know it's a very unpopular thing to point out, right?
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I liked the book, but it might be my bias because I understood all the references. It would not have had the same impact or made much sense, if I wasn't familiar with them. Other than that, the basic plot was predictable, though it was cool to imagine a virtual world that could easily become reality for us one day.
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ZMythos posted...

Your property and self are protected by law and enforced by policemen and the judicial system.

The air you breathe is kept (sort of) clean because of government regulations enforced and paid for by taxes

The food you eat was probably transported on public roads and kept (mostly) edible thanks to regulations above

You benefit indirectly and directly from taxation, therefore it is not theft.

Are you really sure the benefits angle is one you want to take, regarding whether or not something is justified? I can think of at least dozen ways I could take what's yours away from you, but still give you something in return for your troubles. I believe you will still try to stop me from doing it, though.
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nativengine posted...

Yeah, a lot of tribes fought for the land that they had survived off of for thousands of years. However, they were a very important part of development for the early settlers who were having a very rough time surviving in the new world. They also played key roles in fighting off the nations enemies, though some did fight with for the crown too. But we can't ignore how crucial they were to the survival of the early settlers only to be destroyed decades later. I know my people, the Oneida, were big playes in the fur trade.

Yes, there is a lot of nuance in regards to this topic. The native tribes and US citizens followed a long and bloody path together, but there were forks in that road and there is also a history of cooperation, assistance and peace in some cases. To be clear, native people suffered greatly as a whole, and my comments are not meant to downplay their experiences.
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Asherlee10 posted...

The Admiral posted...

g7g7g7g7 posted...

The Natives aren't traitors they weren't American citizens to start with, pretty lame effort at false equivalency if you ask me.

They were enemies of the Unites States and killed American citizens.

Are you being serious? The United States wasn't formed when colonists arrived.

To be fair, the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776. Natives and US citizens still engaged in armed conflict through the 1800's and up until the early 1900's.
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Funkydog posted...

You aren't forced to live in America and can move elsewhere if you dislike the laws of the country. You could also go live out in the country away from any public services and live off the land so you don't need to pay taxes. No one is stopping you do either.

That is true, but people have used the if you don't like it then get the fuck out argument for many other issues, and they usually get told that it's immoral, unrealistic or some variation of that.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Also before the dragonriders of Pern in Drangleic castle, there clearly is a woman sitting on a throne, but I couldn't get across to her. Is this supposed to be true or should I head back and find a way towards her?

She shows up later at a lower level of the castle, iirc. She wasn't too happy with me, so I had to lay the smack down.

I haven't used any of my boss souls, are there any particularly good things to do with them for someone who is mainly melee but dabbles in pyromancy?

I only used two or three of the boss souls, and always to upgrade my weapons to the elite ones. My only suggestion is to really think about which upgrade you want because you don't want to waste it on a weapon you end up not really using.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

consent to not be kicked out of the country, thrown in jail or killed by their military

That really is the truth of it. When you pay your taxes, you are consenting to not getting your ass kicked by the government.
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Darkman124 posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Podrick

ser? my lady?
ser? my lady?
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Podrick is brave, dilligent, kind hearted, and a woman "slayer", at least in the show. I'm not familiar with his appearances in the books. Anyway, he's not playing the game, but he's likable.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Are you really from Canada? Your government has its own issues with First Nations tribes, from what I've read. How is that working out? Are they getting their country back any time soon?

Yes. Yes. What does that have to do with this topic or anything I said in it?

I see a lot of virtue signalling in this thread. A lot of people huffing and puffing about injustices, but no one would actually be willing to remedy the situation. The situation in the US is similar to that in Canada, Australia and a few other places where natives have been marginalized or even removed. Many want to get on top of their moral high horse, but they're not actually doing shit about anything. Aside from that, they're also cherry picking what parts of their arguments they want to be consistent with. You know what I heard and read a lot of, regarding the Civil War statues? Take them down, those guys lost. Take them down, they fought against the Union. Take them down, we can just read about history in a book. Notice how they all apply to the native statues as well? But, like I said, I don't want to take any of these monuments down anyway. But if they are taken down, don't destroy them. Keep them in a museum for people to learn from.
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Likable characters?
Tyrion
Varys
Bronn
Podrick
Olenna
Tormund
Edit: Davos
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Chicken posted...

Lol, I've always loved that vid. The look on Mike Myers face still makes me laugh, as he realizes Kanye's brain has melted but his mouth is still working.
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It's fine. No one really knows what he looked like, assuming he actually existed.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

Native American situation: Europeans (generations later, Americans) invade and progressively genocide and stomp out native population: Native population fought back where they could, violently so.

Civil War: Confederacy attempted to save its economically lucrative slave trade by splitting from the U.S., caused entire conflict over their perceived right to own people.

not comparable at all

I admire the native people's efforts in trying to keep migrating settlers out of their lands. It doesn't change the fact that those settlers and their descendents established a new government and new nation. Honoring the native leaders and other warriors through statues and other monuments is honoring enemy combatants of that new nation, which is now the US. That is a fact. Does that mean their statues should be taken down? I personally don't think so. I prefer to keep history publicly visible, even though there are a bunch of people (even here on CE) who basically said that statues don't mean much since you can just learn history from a book. I guess they changed their mind.

Wow.

That's almost unbelievably stupid. Even for ce.

Are you really from Canada? Your government has its own issues with First Nations tribes, from what I've read. How is that working out? Are they getting their country back any time soon?
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Native American situation: Europeans (generations later, Americans) invade and progressively genocide and stomp out native population: Native population fought back where they could, violently so.

Civil War: Confederacy attempted to save its economically lucrative slave trade by splitting from the U.S., caused entire conflict over their perceived right to own people.

not comparable at all

I admire the native people's efforts in trying to keep migrating settlers out of their lands. It doesn't change the fact that those settlers and their descendents established a new government and new nation. Honoring the native leaders and other warriors through statues and other monuments is honoring enemy combatants of that new nation, which is now the US. That is a fact. Does that mean their statues should be taken down? I personally don't think so. I prefer to keep history publicly visible, even though there are a bunch of people (even here on CE) who basically said that statues don't mean much since you can just learn history from a book. I guess they changed their mind.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

ImmortalHogRide posted...

Glass_Phantom posted...

Side note, Iraq cannot execute everyone who was affiliated with ISIS. There are lots of people who were coerced into joining, or who only joined because they were trapped in ISIS-held territory and there was no other way to make money and feed their families.

This is not like this. She went there to join them.

She is a child... Children should be shown mercy.

Yes, send her to Canada instead. They will give her millions of dollars and maple syrup.
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scar the 1 posted...

Why are people bending over backwards to try and make Robert E. Lee comparable to "any historical figure"? He literally was a leader of a secession that fought to be able to keep owning slaves. That's why he's famous. The Founding Fathers were most likely all horrible people in some way, yes, people acknowledge that. Raising a statue of the founder of your country is not the same as raising a statue of the symbol for the fight slave ownership to spite minorities.

@scar_the_1
You are answering your own question. Here, I'll copy and paste it for you:

"The Founding Fathers were most likely all horrible people in some way, yes, people acknowledge that."

The biggest reason why people remove monuments, books and other reminders of the past is because they are offensive. All of these historic figures committed various crimes against humanity, and saying this guy is Ok but that guy is not is nothing more than temperamental cherry picking. I'm not saying to destroy these artifacts. I'm saying maybe it would be best to remove them all, keep them in a museum, and then let's all move on with our lives.
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At this point, I do wonder if it might be better to just take down all statues and other monuments and just keep things neutral. No matter what historic figure you look at, it's pretty much a lock that they were some variation of having been a slave owner, traitor, murderer, anti-gay, misogynist, racist, scoundrel or something considered offensive and problematic.
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I haven't had a good burger in a while. This thread is inspiring me to tell (AKA ask) my woman to make me one. Good on you for making money at home.
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DonaldClinton posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

How is Mulan about a minority princess when Han Chinese is the world's largest ethnic group

We all know that America is the only country in the world. Stop playing around lol

Change America to Western audiences. There ya go, Mulan is a minority "princess."
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Damn, it's like he's two separate people. Is that schizophrenia? What's the story behind such a 180 degree change?

Edit: oops, 180.
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Quorthon109 posted...

Why is it so hard for these guys to say "off the record"?

There's no such thing as off the record, at least not to a journalist. If you open your mouth to a reporter, they can do with it as they please, barring the discretion of their editor, of course.
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Turbam posted...

A PS4 isn't gonna help the man eat.

It could, if he practiced enough to actually win some tournaments or at least a really big one.
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It's a few tweets down, but Max Landis makes a joke about dogs and wolves. It's not a good comment, with regards to evolution, when you consider that dogs are the way they are (i.e. multiple breeds) because of our deliberate manipulation of them (i.e. wolves) as a species.
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Hasn't Season 8's major plot points already being leaked?
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FightingGames posted...

Why do we hate LTG again?

It's like with anyone else. You can do good things, maybe even a lot of good things, but if you do or even say a bad thing, well... you're going to get hate.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

PoopMcgee420 posted...

He can basically say what he wants. Literally America. Dont be a fascist

do you have the same opinion on Kaepernick?

Kaepernick should not get death threats. Anita Sarkeesian should not get death threats. This 18-year old student should not get death threats. I'm not a fan of any of these people, and can still say they should not be getting death threats.
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Samurontai posted...

Here, I'll use a legal scenario of someone not being a victim as a comparison

Guy sees a puma

Guy starts to chase puma

Puma mauls guy

There ya go.

What? Lol, Ok, that is a really funny and wacky comparison. Kudos, I guess.
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

PoopMcgee420 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

No, I mean he should have been forced to defend his titles in the UFC.

Which is even dumber...when would he have time to train for either fight

The UFC already stripped McGregor of one belt. They should take away his other title if he doesn't defend by at least the end of this year.

That's not what is in question...

Maybe I missed something? McGregor doesn't want to defend his UFC belts. The fighters know this, the fans know this, and the UFC knows this. They would strip any other champion of their belt in a similar situation. If he's off training and fighting for another sport, then the consequence is on him.
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

death threats are never ok

but conservatives are all about personal responsibility, and he's responsible for making himself a target

Oh victim blaming now are we?

Darkman is much smarter and more reasonable than that. I think this Charlottesville event and the current state of politics just has a lot of people on edge.
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

No, I mean he should have been forced to defend his titles in the UFC.

Which is even dumber...when would he have time to train for either fight

The UFC already stripped McGregor of one belt. They should take away his other title if he doesn't defend by at least the end of this year.
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Zikten posted...

That poor donkey. Fuck people

Yes, that is what happened. Against its will, I believe.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Would you still use the same argument if Martin Luther King/Rosa Parks statues were removed?

Checkmate Scientologists.

there is no justifiable reason to remove those statues though, unlike the statues in question which are of racist shitbags and traitors

Not trying to start an argument here, just want to say that what is considered justifiable changes over time. You just need enough people to feel offended by whichever historical person is honored, then down goes their statue.
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Edible posted...

ssj3vegeta_ posted...

Wouldn't dis favor mayweather

He doesn't throw punches so much as love taps designed to generate points, so not really.

I think you're vastly underestimating the damage Mayweather will inflict with these 8 oz gloves. He's going to hurt McGregor even more now.
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ThePrinceFish posted...

After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.

Wait, that took you a while to figure out? Come on, bruh. Abortion has pretty much always been about convenience, barring the small percentage of pregnancies where a woman's life was legitimately threatened. There is a lengthy gestational period, labor pains, various birthing and child care expenses, and many other costs spread over the lifetime of a growing child, almost all of which can be conveniently sidestepped with an abortion. It is also more convenient for society because an abortion generally means you don't have to spend taxes on the kid. (Keep in mind that I'm not for or against abortion, and would just like to keep these discussions open and honest.)
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If you make up your own quote and then attribute it to another person, you are making a dishonest claim.

The New York Times is basing its article on information from an unnamed West Wing official. Maybe it's true, or maybe not.
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frozenshock posted...

I just don't get this. WTF are they doing? They travelled all the way north to... what kidnap a white walker and bring him back? How the heck is this supposed to even work?

And they actually think they can get Cersei to agree to anything at all? It makes no sense.

Cersei is the ruler and she is crazy enough to disregard even the best of proofs, but she could lose a lot of support if other lords and the public are convinced that the dead should be their real priority. At least I hope that's how they would look at it.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Isn't TC basically the most openly racist person on CE?

There are three or four members who are probably more, but they don't post as frequently.
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BLAKUboy posted...

You're coming off about as delusional as Woods. It's clear he's just upset that people are no longer going to be tolerant to the glorification of racism and bigotry. Which is all the Confederate statues are. So he's attempting to create a false equivalence because he has no idea what he's talking about.

But by all means, don't let facts get in the way of your trolling.

What facts? You've just been giving your opinion, like your opinion on what a statue of Gen. Lee represents. I also gave my opinion that I think he is not wrong that the World War II monument probably will be taken down some day. I disagree that it's a false equivalency. People are taking down these statues, censoring books like Tom Sawyer, petitioning to change the national anthem and so on because some people find them offensive. That's really all it's about, and there's your equivalency. Or do you think there aren't people right now thinking of ways they can alter even more of history, regardless if it's celebrated by lots of other people?

Edit: Btw, just because you don't agree with someone does not mean they are trolling.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't agree. The Japanese, at that time, were close allies to Germany and Nazi ideology. This statue represents a victory against that. A victory against Nazism.

The Confederate statues glorify the ideology of the south during the Civil War. Slavery.

These are not comparable instances.

The US flag and the national anthem represent all those virtuous things and more. Yet you and I both know that the flag gets literally shat on or burned and the anthem is laughed at and reviled by people who are themselves US citizens.
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kewldude475 posted...

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Woods is predicting that even a pro-US war monument that most people accept and some revere today will eventually be torn down or otherwise debased by people who will not not find it acceptable tomorrow.

[citation needed]

I meant that in the general, dictionary sense of the word accept, as in to accomodate, allow or regard as normal. To the best of my knowledge, there aren't really any significantly large, influential groups of Americans working hard to remove the Iwo Jima monument. This is different from the campaign to remove Confederate statues.
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BLAKUboy posted...

He's comparing the whitewashing of the Confederate legacy to fucking Iwo Jima. There is no sane logic that can support that correlation.

Woods is predicting that even a pro-US war monument that most people accept and some revere today will eventually be torn down or otherwise debased by people who will not not find it acceptable tomorrow.

I think that is very possible, maybe even inevitable, considering how narratives, agendas, political power, and culture gets manipulated, erased or rewritten over time.
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I think they should be kept for public view in a museum. Does that count as staying up or down?
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Kitt posted...

Virus731 posted...

wow you people have some kind of weird respect for stuntmen or something

it's like respecting a guy who got into a car crash on the way to work

Apocalyptic posted...

Stop saying stupid shit, people.

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I don't think Woods "rekt" anybody, but his point is not entirely without merit. I can see it being entirely possibly and maybe just a matter of time before the monuments and memorials we accept now are considered offensive and undesirable for public viewing later.

This is normal, I suppose. History is full of incidents where records were rewritten or libraries and books were burned to suit the needs of whichever group took control of them. I still feel some anger when I think about what great knowledge we might have lost when Roman troops burned down the Library of Alexandria. And consider that as recently as 2001, the Taliban destroyed those giant Buddhist statues that had stood for around 1,500 years, supposedly because they were offensive idols. It's not as if there aren't already a lot of Americans who are themselves anti-US and anti-US history, so all they would need is some politician to pander to them so they can start removing monuments such as the famous World War II one above.
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