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Net feelings from end of day 2. This is not exactly a scum list yet (however I feel pretty damn good about the towns here). But I'm posting this for my reference.

Town+
Death, Tony, Benjamin, Menu

Death, don't see Kanzaris identifying two scum in his 2/3. Probably expects the one "good read" on his scumbuddy in peril will be sufficient. Odds of 3 scum lynch is low.
Tony, don't see Kanzaris correctly identifying two scum. Also defends his points well. Actively pursues JB. The reaction to a scum being lynched over other scum does not seem like something that would be easy to fake.
Benjamin, actively pursues Kanzaris even before he's dead. Shows too much faith in the possibility that John is town, much like Corrik-- scum would've escaped at this point I think.
Menu, pushes Kanzaris for details when he doesn't make sense. Generally feels town. Never actually votes Kanzaris, but commits hard enough to JB, but without full conviction, that I like. Like his reaction to Kanzaris's last second lead take like Tony.

Neutral
MZero

MZero. Despite making sense, I feel like he'd be more likely to see the arguments against Johnbobb having pointed out so many similarities unless he had a lot of distrust of the ones putting em forward. Possibly just stubborn. Feel like a choice of Kanz/JB would've been something he'd do as town when Death appeared dead in the water.

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Scare, IGCD, Oddity, eaed

Scare, disappears completely, not really mentioned. Does not explain he will be gone. Vote is idled on Death.
IGCD, Vote movements seem poorly justified and the majority of the time he's on Death. Jumps to Kanz at a high leverage point, which is points in his favor, but this still could be scum damage control, doubly so if Scare is scum.
Oddity, Kanz's defense of him is shaky, yet passive enough that it doesn't seem like he's drawing attention to himself. CLaims he has to be somewhere. Vote idles on Johnbobb which is a minor positive.
eaed, refuses to commit anywhere despite being present. This does not seem like town behavior.
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Going to start at Topic 5, Page 8, as I feel like that's around where the pleasantries for Day 2 end. This is kinda stream of consciousness-- possibly not useful but no reason not to post what I was noting down.

(Topic 5, page 8)

Kanzaris is "torn" between a vote on Death/Johnbobb. Says Tony's vote on Oddity is meaningless. Says jaded/johnbobb/death has "one has to be town." Also doesn't like Tony as town.
Scare hasn't liked Oddity but is very vague.
IGCD "might have found something significant on Oddity" but has no time to explore. Points out Oddity has not been consistent with what reads he "likes"

(topic 5, page 9)

Oddity "thinks Jaded is overwhelmed town" but won't commit. Leaves.
MZero tunnels Death. Leo and Menu don't think the "why would someone ask if their fakeclaim fits" argument makes sense. Menu thinks fakeclaim "makes some sense as town"
Johnbobb thinks Oddity needs to be harassed because "nothing has convinced him to get off Johnbobb"
Kanz thinks one of Tony and Death is "likely to be scum." Less strong wording than the set of 3 in the previous page post. Light slip gives indication both are town imo.
Benjamin thinks Kanz is scummy, decides to leave vote, thinks Death is town. Both reasons are kinda vague. Doesn't like eaed or jaded, is okay with Johnbobb.

(topic 6, page 1)

Leo and Menu don't like that JOhn didn't vote Ulti.
Kanz half defends JB.
Benjamin calls BS on Universal Backup. Menu half agrees. Has no issues with JB but can't definitively read him as town either.
Tony calls Kanz a "faker." Tony thinks ben counterclaimed JB for some reason,
Menu backs John off of hammer and grills him for details. Also questions why Corrik went back to Kanz. Thinks one of JB/Kanz are lying.

(Topic 6, page 2)

Benjamin calls Kanz on weirdly worded post.
IGCD thinks a Death or Kanz lynch will give the most information for some reason-- doesn't explain why this is. Votes Death. Says he'll swap to Kanz if he gets votes. Unvotes Death quickly after after Jaded_Eye vote. Questions if JB was around when Ulti claimed.
MZero points out Death did with flavor what people are on JB for doing with role.
Kanz is 100% that JB or Death is scum, and no matter what we get scum in next two days. Benjamin doesn't like this. Then shifts to one of JB, Death, Jaded.
IGCD thinks JB's defense of not counterclaiming Bulletproof is "fair." Goes back to Death for "information"

(Topic 6, page 3)

Menu goes after me for JB defense.
eaed thinks we can have bulletproof when the untargetable is a survivor-- why is this relevant at this point? Half reading or half defending.
Tony goes on JB-- solid logic of him stalling on the claim and not attempting to draw shots. Death vs JB still debatable at this point.
Menu encourages Corrik to pick Death or JB cause Kanz ain't happening.
MZero says Death->Kanz is a good lynch route.
JB says "Death, Oddity, Kanz, and Tony all scum, Menu and Leo weakass town."
IGCD upset that "Death can't be lynched" with my shift to Kanz. eaed doubts the power of Kanz lynch train. Menu only likes Scare on Death's lynch.
Ben doesn't like how sure he is that one of Death or JB are scum, thinks Kanz is possibly setting up a two town in a row lynch.

(Topic 6, page 4)

IGCD jumps to Kanz no explanation given, this ends the 5-5-5 lock, making it 6-5-4. Keep in mind Kanzaris could've easily jumped to Death at this point to kill him, but it would be very suspicious.
MZero very upset that Death is allowed to get away with a slip that JB made.
Menu upset about JB escaping for Kanz.
Tony thinks JB scummed a lynch out.
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Argh all the old topics purged I regret linking that archive already. So inconvenient.
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pjbasis posted...

Lopen posted...

Hell I'm probably among the least qualified on the board as I haven't really ever had a phase of my life where I was anything resembling a pickup artist either.

lmao I don't think that makes you the least qualified. That's the standard.

Well I meant like, I haven't really experienced option 1 OR option 2, so yeah in some ways I'm even less qualified to talk than say yoblazer who seems to be speaking about preferring option 1 from the perspective of a person who is in a long term relationship because he never wants to be alone moreso than the perspective of someone who is in a long term relationship because they've found someone who is a person they have a really deep connection with, (just based on what he's been saying, anyway-- maybe I'm interpreting it completely wrong) or any one of these other people who find a deep lasting life partner connection with like the third person they date.

I just think it's really hard to actually know which you prefer for most people, because most people have not attempted and/or been able to experience both (and may not even have interest in attempting to do so), but since I'm probably close to the worst of both worlds among people who aren't socially inept, the irony of being the one to make that judgment isn't lost on me. Then again maybe not having lived either lifestyle makes me better positioned to consider which one I'd like-- none of that pesky 'attachment' to get in the way of cold hard logic. Yeahhhh.
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I feel like most people probably aren't fit to answer this question. Like most people haven't actually tried both, having settled down with practically the first person they had any sort of relationship with, or the partner they tried the second option with wasn't like "the one" so to speak. And no I'm not claiming I'm exempt from this, as I've never had a long term relationship whatsoever. Hell I'm probably among the least qualified on the board as I haven't really ever had a phase of my life where I was anything resembling a pickup artist either. It's just not worth the bother to me-- I find dating to be an annoyance most of the time.

So that being said theoretically give me option 2. Though I haven't ever met a woman I'd be happy employing option 2 for and I get older by the day, so I'll probably die alone, especially considering as the longer you wait the higher percentage of appealing women either get saddled with children or other men, increasing the entry barrier.

I'm mostly okay with this at the moment. Probably won't be 30 years from now though, and I feel like I shouldn't be now, but what can ya do. I guess the answer is "force yourself to go on annoying dates more often."
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Senior Joe
The Revival
Evan Bourne
Dean Ambrose
John Cena

Distracting Bray Wyatt with music
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Strife2 posted...

I'm not sure why they stopped. The "curb stomp the knee -> Tequila Sunrise" thing was working with their new attitude.

Yes bring that back that was starting to grow on me. Splash no good.
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I'll let you guys digest that a bit and reach your own conclusions. The main thing I see just looking at the text is that IGCD instantly looks suspicious based on votes. He was the last holdout on Death and like Johnbobb hopped over late.

Scare as well, simply because you'd expect more than one scum on Death and if it wasn't IGCD then it'd have to be him. Or both, of course.

MZero pre-dated the rush so I kinda feel he's exempt from suspicion on a purely vote analysis basis. Mapping the votes with the vote swap and assignment logic should be where the real dirt is, but yeah I'm going to sleep now. I encourage everyone to reread the end of day 2 though, zooming in on all unconfirmed players and going from there.
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Here's day 1. Less useful methinks but maybe there's something in there.

End of Day 1 Votals
[9] Ulti: (IGCD), Corrik, Lopen, (IGCD), Chris, Leo, Leo2, Scare, Ben, Oddity, IGCD
[3] JOHNBOBB: (KANZ), Tony, Ulti, Death, (Oddity)
[1] Corrik: Shad, (VI), (Ulti)
[1] Oddity: (Lopen), (Scare), MZero
[1] Tony: (Death), JOHNBOBB
[0] Shaduln: (Ben), (MZero)
[0] MZero: (Oddity), (KANZ), (Oddity)
[0] Ben: (Ulti), (Scare), (Mzero), (Leo), (Leo2)
[0] KANZ: (MZero), (MZero)
[0] Death: (Chris), (Ben), (Chris), (VI), (Ulti)
[0] IGCD: (Ulti), (Oddity)
[0] Chris: (Corrik)
[0] Leo: (VI), (Ben), (Death), (Oddity), (chris)
[0] Lopen: (IGCD), (Oddity), (Ulti), (Chris)
[0] VI: (Ulti), (Ulti), (Oddity), (Oddity)
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So kind to let me live. Must mean my reads suck ha ha ha. (well one of em is dead and revealed as town so that certainly doesn't help confidence)

Unfortunately I'm too tired to really re-evaluate my life right now. I'll just have to do that tomorrow. However, I kinda feel like the day 2 vote totals might actually be pretty illuminating right now. Maybe not but I wanna see em better. Day 1 I'll also do next post though I think they're less useful. Maybe you could read something into the votes Johnbobb got.

SCUM
Town

End of Day 2 Votals
[7] KANZ: (Corrik), (Oddity), (MZero), (Scare), (Leo), (Leo2), (Tony), (Corrik), Corrik, Ben, Lopen, Leo, Leo2, IGCD, JOHNBOBB
[5] JOHNBOBB: Death, (Leo), (Leo2), Oddity, (Menu), KANZ, (IGCD), Menu, Tony
[3] Death: MZero, (Lopen), Scare, (Corrik), (Oddity), (JOHNBOBB), (Jaded), (IGCD), Jaded, (IGCD)
[1] Ben: Eaed, (Tony), (Leo), (Leo2), (IGCD)
[0] Oddity: (KANZ), (Jaded), (Tony)
[0] Jaded: (Menu)
[0] Corrik: (IGCD)
[0] Eaed: (KANZ), (Menu)
[0] Menu: (Corrik)
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I am so happy Braun posts in character
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It's not exactly the same thing. There are ways to present the situation when calling in the police, and United Airlines probably didn't really represent the situation accurately. I'm not saying it's all their fault the police were brutal but like, consider how Police Officers would react being called in for a reported shots fired vs a reported drunk and disorderly and you sorta get how United Airlines might be at fault to an extent too. It's not really possible to know how they presented it, but I would lean they probably dressed it up in an inaccurate way for the officers to be so on edge and act so rashly.
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I actually have my own dropbox that I could move pictures over to, since I'm (in theory) doing the meat of the pictures

Anyway I guess I should prioritize looking at the mod tonight and cosmeticing up the ones that are in it right now
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I haven't been following as closely as I could be but I think we're almost at a playable mod? Maybe?
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Okay. Attempt 3 to enter the picture mill, tonight. I have a good feeling about this one!
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G-Senjou no Maou

With the "lol VN isn't game" filter on it's more difficult. It's usually story or characters and not both. Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear Solid 2, to steal pj's answer, are both front runners, with FFX being weaker on the story end and MGS2 being weaker on the characters end, but both hitting each well enough. I guess I'd give FFX the nod of those two just because Spira is such a great world setting compared to... Earth with weird futuretech.
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RAW Week 1:
Bad Influence
Big E
Randy Orton
Tyler Breeze
Nikki Bella
The Miz
Roman Reigns

Bonus (2) What team/person was named RAW Team Capitan? Roman
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Jesus HM is slowwww. Not sure this will motivate me to spend stamina for the rewards it gives.
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Who needs escalation Braun's style is plenty fun enough for me as is. If I got tired of watching dudes beat up dudes I'd have stopped watching wrestling a long time ago. Wrestling needs MORE dudes just beating things up.
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Who needs to be a completionist I just want a 5* Serra+10 which will take approximately 8 billion feathers.
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You and your "my favorite characters are base 5*" and/or "I don't use my favorites I use good characters" people I swear
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I sure hope so. I haven't actually seen it yet.
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That being said Braun getting punked out a billion times in a row... they're sure doing their best to make me not care.
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How! Jeez. I only have 30k. Granted I've spent like 50k-- but surely you've advanced some 4* to 5*!
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Braun is awesome and I honestly think he's one of those guys that wouldn't be the same if he was left to stew in NXT. The things he gained, presence, intensity, confidence... you wouldn't get that working NXT shows. Guys in general should probably be called up sooner than they are.
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Tangent, I'm actually really annoyed masks aren't used more. It seems like it's exclusive for luchadores.

Like TJ Perkins as Suicide >> TJ Perkins for so many reasons. Like I'd argue even beyond just the fact that the costume is badass, his mannerisms as Suicide showed more charisma.

I think so many guys could be better if they just put a mask with an elaborate costume on. TM61 probably being a prime example.
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I thought TM61 were fine but yeah they were such vanilla midgets that it kinda killed their appeal for me.

I do feel like just giving them cooler wrestling attire could do wonders in that regard though. Like it's not hard to improve your vanilla midget status in WWE. Hell just put masks on em luchadores are cool
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Yeah I'm gonna have to look into the Hero Merit thing. Might give me a reason to actually spend stamina-- it's a big part of the reason I haven't scrapped Priscilla for her skills
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I think AJ Styles is a good candidate too but I feel like I like his promos more than a lot of people do

(Though Miz and Henry would still be better)
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Hoo-RAH
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Bischoff forever
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Triple H's promos, much like his matches, would generally be pretty good if they were about half the length

Promos are less forgivable though because they literally could be half the length if he could talk with a clear flow and didn't have to pause every few seconds
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Bray's promos are just to sound cool and build his character-- there's no substance there. I'd put him more in the style of Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker.
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Wanglicious posted...

and it's not like cena didn't have the final word in a later promo either too. cena style feuds tend to be the heel gets the last word in, week or two later cena does it with his usual passionate speech, then the match happens.

The difference is they get the last word because either Cena is not there or Cena is attacked or whatever else.

Punk is the only guy who gets the last word because Cena just doesn't have a way to respond
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If you want to put it in Jakyl terms: Selling himself.
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I am uhhhh... The Game uhhhh... I've beaten uhhh... them all uhhh...
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Yeah but the presentation of Punk getting the last word is important

What Punk is and isn't allowed to say to respond is important

I'm not saying Punk isn't good, but yeah, give Miz and Owens as much reign as he had to rip on Cena and they'd do just as well or better
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True story the first and last time I posted a botchspot was to post that after that damn promo
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They were definitely restricted

Compare the hell Miz was allowed to unleash on Daniel Bryan on talking Smack vs what he was allowed to use on Cena. Observe all the easy holes to poke in the canned nonsensical yelling tirade Cena gives, and that Cena gets the last word on these two and doesn't on CM Punk.

Like you must be really really down on Miz and Owens if you think they were allowed freedom there.
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I consider that promo you posted basically Punk being allowed to "shoot" too for the record.

No one gets away with calling Cena on his BS. Just last month Miz had to stand there gobsmacked as Cena shut him up with some canned promo.
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Btw Owens is in that second tier too though.

But Owens is probably better in the ring
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He's had some pretty good ones here and there even when he's not "shooting." But I hear him in the same kind of conversations as The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Jake Roberts, Dusty Rhodes, Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, etc.

He's really belonging more in that second tier to me. Guys like Bret Hart, Daniel Bryan, Austin Aries, Piper, Mr Perfect, etc etc. Guys who are generally entertaining or convincing or whatever else, don't ever stumble over their words, and have a few great interviews out there, but aren't the dudes who are killing it every week.
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I don't think Punk's in Foley's league for mic work.

Like to me Punk when he's "shooting" is night and day with Punk when he's doing stuff like Straight Edge Society or even when he's post-crisis Cult of Personality Punk. He's only as good as the freedom he's given. Normal run of the mill stuff he's just a standard good talker.
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Agree with Smartmuffin on Punk btw.

Double down by saying the only reason people think he has a place as the best mic worker is because he was given so much freedom to "shoot" and that you've got dozens of guys who could get huge reactions with that material.

Still think Punk is great, maybe about half as good as he and his big fans think he is, but yeah he's pretty overrated for those reasons.
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Wanglicious posted...

<_<; the crowd didn't go bonkers for tyler breeze.

That was also about a year and a half ago now. NXT had only begun to swell.
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Man I hope they call up TM61 and the audience goes absolutely bonkers

I would never even pretend to humor the idea that the audience reaction for NXT guys means anything at that point
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My current watch was like 60 bucks on a Black Friday sale. It's a decent enough imitation of an actual good watch that I've had people compliment my watch, and I think it looks nice, so I doubt I'd ever spend much more. I'd rather just get a bunch of 60 dollar watches to complement a bunch of outfits than something more than that. Granted the retail was like 150 but I wouldn't pay retail since I don't have a pressing need.
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Well NXT people are WWE people. It's not like they literally only like NXT.

They also like to chant things for the sake of chanting them.

But anyway who said anything about the wrestling.

The most realistic part about WWE nowadays is the wrestling.

Announcing, audiences, camerawork, and 'social media' are the problem. Also maybe multiman matches jury is still out on that one-- random three ways are still good but man the Rumble and the EC
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WWE Twitter reactions I don't know. With how much it's encouraged to "get involved" I wonder how many of tweets about WWE are legitimate and how many are pandering in an attempt to get on the tickertape.

You know I think I just think everything about WWE is fake at this point I should just stop watching entirely for a while.
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I feel like the Shining Stars didn't actually wrestle much on Raw. They mostly got punked out in interviews and crap. This isn't really a counterpoint I'm just saying I'd buy it more than Jinder being a threat.
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