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Now all that being said, for as high and mighty as I'm getting about that, I'm sorta the same way. I probably couldn't really take Alexa seriously either if she's doing a full power moveset-- but I can enough to let her have some small bursts of power. I do think it's smart of her to not generally do that kinda stuff even if she's strong enough to do it in any case.

Also compared to her peers I kinda can, because none of em are looking exactly huge in comparison aside from like, Nia and maybe Charlotte. Like compared to Sasha I DEFINITELY can, cause yeah, Sasha has no definition at all and she really needs to hit that gym, especially when I'm supposed to believe she's applying the Bank Statement to Nia Jax I mean really that's way the hell more ridiculous by miles than anything Alexa has ever done.
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Like, I'm not saying you're being sexist either. I'm just saying that inherently you might actually have more sexist tendencies than the guy who is taking her more credibly while making statements about women being hot or not.

Sometimes it's not about what you say but what you're afraid to say. Like it kinda feels like overcorrecting, I guess, due to some sorta male guilt.

I feel like anyone who is watching WWE and seriously discussing the women's division isn't sexist to any significant amount at all, in any case. I'm just saying "she can't be strong because she's smaller, despite being in better shape" vs "she's less hot because she's overdoing it with makeup and hairdye lately" the former feels like the more sexist statement because I feel like you wouldn't say the first thing about a man in a similar situation, but you'd say similar things about a man in the second as it applies. Like I've totally acknowledged some of Jeff Hardy's dye jobs have looked hideous, for example.
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Yeah but like, she's actually in better shape than a lot of them, which to me implies you're probably using a different measuring stick for women strength than you are for men. Like did you ever say that for Tazz throwing dudes around? Oh he can't possibly do it he's a foot shorter than them.
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I do think it's ironic that I'd probably call the "Alexa can't be strong look at her" statement more sexist than "at least she was hot." Keep in mind I don't think either one is to the point where it needs to be mentioned but if we're splitting hairs.
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I thought I was vaccinated but I just drove with a friend about 15 miles to get out of the path of a big ass cloud to view it.

It was kinda cool I guess with the temperature drop but I was nowhere near the totality-- maybe in 2024 I'll actually go to the center of one.
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It's not 66% because I've gotten two wrong doors on the same set before on INT

But yeah I guess the higher minimum rewards do end up mattering.
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So basically if you want burst pots INT is better otherwise BGN is better

And really I honestly don't think the energy exchange for burst pots is likely worth it anyway. I'm still going to do it to get the special reward once but that's it.
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INT enchanted maze is balls. I almost think the math says that BGN is going to give better rewards on average (Assuming I'm right that the scheme on BGN 2/3 doors are right but you only get one miss vs 1/3 doors being right with two) but I don't know what the special area in INT actually gives you or how the later scale up.
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Joe and Roman were both basically just annoying distractions from Braun vs Brock.

Which is why I feel Brock winning was the better booking, as it gives them a point to be there and lets us have Braun vs Brock again. If you wanted Braun to win you should've just had Braun vs Brock straight up 1v1.
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Board is wolf fanboy central this is not new
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I've literally only ever done it once just to say I did. I was absent mindedly going a bit over 90mph at like 2am on a highway (I usually only modestly speed) and decided that hell if I was already going this fast by accident I might as well just go a bit faster just to see if my car can break 100. And then I basically went back down to 80 right after.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I think the issue is that Roman just overuses the Superman Punch, and it's not even impressive to begin with. And how many times did he do his how spot before a Spear attempt last night? The dude could stand to get a real moveset by now.

This is seriously it though.

If Roman would stop superman punching so much it would be fine.

The problem is he overuses it in singles matches, and then in multimatches he uses it that many times per opponent and it's like "dude do like a samoan drop or something I'm beggin ya"

Cesaro was starting to overuse the uppercut for a while there, and then he got a clue and now it's great again.
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Just throwing heavy things is way more awesome than just punching (or any of that other stuff) is the problem.
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Well, it's either you admitting it's off memory, or memory assisted by a youtube clip you looked up where you got the one in four where it looks like that-- but the latter doesn't have quite the ring to it so I'd believe either one was the case.

In any case it's pretty minor part of the overall blend, no matter which one she's doing more often. It's not like she's AJ Lee where 90% of her offense is strikes she looks hideous doing or anything.
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I mean there is that one, which I feel like you googled and saw it and then picked apart what was specifically wrong with that one-- and then there are three others on youtube that I saw where she doesn't do that, but if you wanna say that's typical then I guess that's your prerogative. I'm certainly not going to claim I pay so much attention to that specific move that I know for sure which execution is the more normal one, but there are 4 in other 5 second clips where she's not doing that so *shrug
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Sounds like you watched and picked out something to complain about. Course you could look at some other ones and see that it's not usually like that.

Anyway even if she did it that way every time it's a pretty minor part of her offense IIRC. The grand scheme of things she's generally using moves that fit-- and I'm pretty sure most of the time she's doing that move it's basically a trip not a POWERHOUSE ALEXA SHOVED EM DOWN.
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Meh everyone agrees the four way was awesome there's not a lot to talk about.

Only real talking point is whether you think Strowman should've won or not. I personally think he shouldn't have because I want him to face Lesnar in a 1v1 and win there since that seems like the correct setting for it. But on the other hand there is the risk that they won't be able to outdo what they did tonight in a 1v1 and as such Strowman should've just won here-- to some extent I can see where that's coming from-- you can just have a return match down the line and have Strowman win there.

On the whole I'm okay with either one as long as we get Strowman vs Brock though. Brock retaining is only an issue if you have him pin Strowman. Strowman winning but NOT pinning Brock would be almost as bad, on that note. Reigns or Samoa Joe winning here would be terrible. Brock winning by killing Roman though? It's fine.
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Hurricane actually lifts a dude though. It's a comically out of place power move.

If Alexa like, actually lifted people I would agree with you. The move she does though-- you can do that at any size. It's very easy to push someone down if you put a leg behind their leg. It's a finesse move.

Also I don't believe Sasha is still "massively over"-- she's not getting booed but I think a lot of people are kinda eh on her moreso than they used to be. That's not all her fault or anything though.
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Well the chokehold is the spin that makes it Alexalike

An STO, the way she does it, is not really something you need a lot of power to do because you're basically just tripping them.
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I'm still mad we never got that Mickie vs Alexa feud :(
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Seriously man like Alicia's tilt a whirl back breaker and northern lights suplex both look really nice. I can't remember anything else she does because I've never seen her in a match where she got any other offense in, buy if those look that good she's probably more than decent in the ring.

Don't confuse not having good matches with not being a good worker. Alicia if she ever got time or feuds would be great I think

Alexa is better than Naomi though no argument here.
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I just spent 15 posts defending Alexa

Alicia Fox is a better worker

However I will say that Alicia Fox isn't really bad she just never gets any time or feuds
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StealThisSheen posted...

I apologize for arguing over something tiny, but I felt the need to defend myself a little bit when it's like "You're sexist" over something that's being misrepresented/misunderstood to begin with.

No I understand your side of the argument completely. I certainly wouldn't want to be called sexist for saying something similar.

Anyway, to continue rambling about Alexa, some examples of what I mean, just from tonight.

She stepped on Sasha to get to the corner to do her stupid flip move.
She steps on Sasha's hair to do a hair pulling thing.
Insult to Injury is like, the best trademark move ever.
When she gets slammed she like flops around like a fish every time because she's small and that's what she should do.

Point is Alexa is good-- it feels weird to be a guy who's really defending her since I initially hated her because well she doesn't look like a wrestler and her actual in ring work isn't that good at face value (ALSO BECAUSE SHE ISN'T HOT COME AT ME ROCK)-- but she's very good at playing to what she can credibly do and playing it in character. It's like the opposite of AJ Lee, who looked similarly harmless and proceeded to have the worst moveset possible considering her persona (which was also a terrible fit even in promos) and stature.

Becky... does a bunch of suplexes, and an armbar. Okay? Cool. They look cool. Why doesn't she have very much offense that actually goes after the arm though? What about her character makes suplexes something she should excel at? I can't recall a single thing about her matches that draws me into her character. Yelling FIYAHHHH before that one move she does isn't good enough.

Alright I'm done with this time to go watch that NXT show and tell you why Ember Moon is better than Becky Lynch.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Glad to know what is and isn't allowed for discussion in the All Purpose Wrestling Topic.

You're free to discuss what you want-- but as the king of talking about minor points, if something was "a tiny bit" important to me I'd probably gloss over it.
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TheRock1525 posted...

It's not. I literally said it's a tiny bit.
You agreed it's a tiny bit.

If it's a tiny bit I probably wouldn't be posting it to begin with.

I definitely wouldn't be arguing about it for 20 posts.

But that's just me.
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Maybe. I haven't watched NXT in almost a year so. I might watch this NXT show that happened recently in a bit though I think she has a match there with Asuka or something so maybe I can report.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Lopen posted...

I didn't see a lot of Bayley in NXT beyond a few matches here and there-- was she wrestling more like that there? Cause if she was they should've totally reverted to that, cause screw continuity.

NXT Bayley was a journey from a starstruck naive character to one who was still optimistic but learned how to stick up for herself and overcome. It was a really great story

Yes but like I feel like we're talking about different things here.

I'm saying Alexa is good because she's good at letting her weasel jackass heel persona flow into matches with the style she puts on her moves, jawing with the fans/ref, etc etc.

You guys are saying "Bayley didn't get her story told" and "Becky can cut good promos if given time"

Which is fine but it has nothing to do with how they wrestle

Like I've never seen Bayley wrestle with a twinge of clumsiness or the feeling of someone who doesn't have a plan or whatever, nor does she often feel super sympathetic with the way she sells and whatnot.

Becky like, if we're gonna play off the Irishness then she should have a bit of a meanstreak in her matches. If we're gonna play off her PURE HEART then she should be better at like, hope spots or something. It's hard to describe but like, I've seen it done well before. Mayumi Ozaki was awesome at this kinda stuff. I'm having trouble thinking of a good WWE analogue-- Trish maybe was better at this, at least.
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I didn't see a lot of Bayley in NXT beyond a few matches here and there-- was she wrestling more like that there? Cause if she was they should've totally reverted to that. Let her revert to clumsy Bayley due to main roster jitters.

Also on Becky keep in mind I'm mostly talking about in the ring. Like I do agree she's good at showing emotion in promos and stuff but she really hasn't figured out how to convey that in matches other than FIYAHHHH
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It's winning because of Orange/Red SFF tbh
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Like, I know this is weird but... am I the only one who thinks Bayley would be a much better wrestler if she like, had more "sloppy" looking moves in her repertoire? Like she's supposed to be this scrappy underdog who's just happy to be here and she's doing all these suplexes and moving really gracefully and stuff. Her whole "whoooaaaaa" spin -> corner attack is like the only time she seems like Bayley in there. But that's a manufactured spot more than her feeling like she's just improvising something.

This is actually why I think girls like Maryse and Daffney were really underrated wrestlers. Yeah they weren't the best workers, but man the mannerisms and style they put on their moves, it was great and leagues ahead of anything on the main roster women nowadays on that front.

I need to watch the Mae Young Classic.
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The big problem with Charlotte is Charlotte's character is basically heel Triple H. She'd be in just as bad a place if she was a heel at this point, quite frankly, because well the character stops working once you've lost as many times as she has.

She really needs more of a character than "I am great and I know it and the daughter of Ric Flair, whooo." This is most of what Becky's problem is too-- she needs more of a character than "I'm Irish" and "FIYAHHHH"

Bayley actually had a good character, but at some point she forgot to like, let it show in matches aside from in the repetitive manufactured spots. Probably some point after the 12th time she got made out to be a total loser on TV.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Sasha forgot how to put on good matches a long time ago. Now her matches consist of four overly contrived spots, one of which is needlessly dangerous and looks like shit, anyway, so why does she even do it.

That's sorta what I was getting at when I said "the four horsewomen have forgotten some of the basics of being good wrestlers in favor of having 'cool moves'" earlier today. They all kinda have overly contrived 'special moves' and all their matches are basically flowcharts of those moves with very limited interaction with the audience or making the matches feel unique in any way.

It's most glaring on Sasha but I feel like none of em really get how to have compelling matches or characters anymore. I'll take Alexa over any of them at this point, and she's far from flawless.

To some extent this is WWE's fault, both in the booking and the match styles, but I do think Alexa is better at connecting with the crowd and having a more natural seeming flowchart for the matches.
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And yeah I don't get the hate for Lesnar this time.

Dude has consistently been having the most exciting matches on these PPVs, and he's been on Raw enough to at least have a presence there (after his one month break after mania) which is all I ask.

But yeah I'm pretty impressed with that PPV particularly considering it was 4 hours. I mean don't get me wrong there was crap on it like Jinder's match, Corbin's match, Big Show/Cass, but considering they had 4 hours to fill and didn't put an absurd amount of hype packages and promos on it, that was definitely the best 4 hour PPV I've ever seen.

I'm totally getting Network the month we get a Strowman/Brock 1v1. I am so hype for that match.
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If you're putting an incomplete poll yellow shouldn't be there either I feel.

Pink > yellow >> orange > red
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Match was perfect. Even Lesnar winning. Yes I said it.

Just think how hype Lesnar vs Strowman is going to be now. You can't get that if Strowman just wins.

What a match though. I'm not gonna say single handedly saved the PPV because there was good stuff there, but definitely best WWE PPV of the year in large part due to it.
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This is the man who basically no sold the rolling AA from Cena

Khallas too strong
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Have you seen Jinder's title reign. Jinder vs Nakamura is going to be the cooldown match.
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That was really good. Unfortunate winner but awesome match.
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I'm pretty sour on all the horsewomen right now.

I kinda think at some point they lost sight of some of the basics of what makes a good wrestler and became about just doing ' cool moves ' or something. This is probably a lot due to the booking they've had but I kinda think Alexa gets it better than all of em.
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I was hoping for Balor to just jump into the spider walk and hit him with a coup de grace
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5 years of patience is how I have every 5* I've aimed for so far. Well that and luck. And some money.
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I haven't even played Nier I should be saving for Cloud dammit
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I just blew like 25 more pulls on this banner. Total is well over 50 now. Why did I do that.
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Oh okay

I don't know what my math was doing to have 10 hits x2 x2 give 55 hits anyway.
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Wait 55 hits-- you mean you're actually supposed to be using the AOE setup move instead of the single target one for more hits?

How degenerate. I'm sure you could make a better teamcomp and actually use the move with the higher multiplier. Kids and your damn hit counts.
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Even if it did (I'm not sure it does) you'd need to fuse 4 into one to get a better bonus. You don't improve the bonus until you limit breakthrough 4 times.
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I didn't realize the drain sword was so potent

You'd expect the thing with the one turn wind up would actually do a lot more damage but guess not.
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Pretty dumb, at least while the event is still going. You want as many of your party's craft essences to have dumpling bonuses as possible.
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Seems like you'd rather use A2 as a finisher anyway? Use 2B + A2 + ? obv.
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I mean I don't even know who A2 is I just think she's got a cute design and I like her TM. Already gave this banner too many draws considering that (to be fair most of them were to get two 9Ses)

That being said if this game knew what it was doing it'd give me one so I'd have an excuse to buy Nier.
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