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PunishedBen posted...

Before you get pissed, consider this.

My plan was to position myself as a mislynch that scum needs and use it as close to end game as possible, preferably before final 4 or 3 even, and hopefully secure victory. I WISH I had saved Kirby, but I did not know that his role was as important as it was on night 1. Since that failure to commit night 1, I've been so embarrassed I've just been not using it until the moment is right.

Y'all are too busy trying to make a legendary play that you fail to make a GOOD one and we're worse off for it.

I would say death today and Sbell tomorrow. Hopefully you die at night, if not Ulti's confirmed self becomes awkward for scum to deal with. Scum can't block you (to kill Ulti) and Knightz so even if death isn't RBer, something would happen.

Knightz: Do NOT reveal who you will target tonight. Make it harder for scum to make good decisions.

Obellisk posted...

FDs Campaign of Principal this game continues i see.

Getting angry over game mechanics alot this time around FD, are you masking something with that?

I'm not masking anything. I am completely open about how upset it makes me when people do objectively awful things.

PunishedBen posted...

And no I did not attempt to bodyguard anyone each night so far. Very selfish of me I know. Was always planning to claim vanilla and hold my ability unless i was in the mislynch pool, then id have used it at the last possible night to take myself out and help town solve the game. I will use it tonight and die if no one believes me.

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You deserve to be lynched in this is true

I don't care how much you value being alive at end game. Ulti has been 100% confirmed town Mason since day 2 began and Corrik has been 99.92% confirmed town vig since he shot godfather and we found out about SK.

It is your fucking duty to put a block on confirmed town that scum NEEDS to kill so your unconfirmed ass dies instead.

BUT if you are telling the truth then it theoretically means Ulti should survive tonight, but I'm legitimately pissed off

PunishedBen posted...

I'm actually BODYGUARD

Actions, gogo

Obellisk posted...

well this is awkward.

Little Green Men, Town Bulletproof Bodyguard

Really?

Attack dog, with built in forcefield!

This quote is why I had trouble buying Slink as vanilla. I would have guessed bodyguard, tbh, so bp is not my favorite way for that to play out. I would have preferred you committing to it before waiting for all the other claims to come forward.

Hmm...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Who is the scum then?

Death or Sbell is my best guess at the moment. And then to a lesser degree Lea

UltimaterializerX posted...

He has claimed roleblocked every single night this entire game. I have more faith in B8s scum play than to make a play that bad, especially on a team with Red checking night actions.

Who were they supposed to block night 1?

They committed their strong-arm to Lopen, so who gets a block?

And then AFTER night 1, who were they supposed to block? Two scanning roles had been either killed or neutralized and the SK was both found and killed.

Ulti, you are Buzz so I know you can't actively be trying to cause a mislynch, but please trust that you are wrong about this. That or I've been hoodwinked by an elaborately crafted knightz persona.

Part of me wants to live in a world where knightz is a Chris ult and we've been getting manipulated since before the signups even went up.

How is knightz anything other than compete clueless town who is being kept alive to increase the chances of late game mislynch?

If all the vanilla claims are to be believed then we don't even have a single piece of protection outside of something possibly related to the clothes.

That plus the absurdly awkward post 1 claim? I would sooner lose the game to a god tier scum knightz than lynch him at this point.

Lopen should never have been forced to claim on day 1 so he wouldn't have been roleblocked OR strong-arm killed if y'all didn't screw that shit up.

Bringing up the day 1 misplay is not how you will endear yourself to be.

Yeah you said before and I missed it the first time

Hope you see that claiming immediately on day 1 was a bad thing now in hindsight. Your clothes with of have likely provided some useful effects otherwise.

Obellisk posted...

FD would my clIm change anything for anyone at this point?

let's say I claimed power, how does that evolve your reads?

Doesn't matter. If you are town then you were given a flavor and a role. It's time to put all the info out there

His role flip specified that HE would get even night kills if he outlasted scum. No such confirmation from the scum flips.

Missed that!

Spreadsheet updated

Knightz, you still haven't officially confirmed that you were roleblocked last night. It stands to reason that you were, but just the same I'd like you to confirm/deny.

PunishedBen posted...

Alternatively, since they lost IGCD immediately, if there is just one scum remaining and it has been just them + Red on a team all game, what could they really do. :/

They had no choice but to join in to the majority opinion and go for Red. It's why I like FD's position a bit actually going against what makes sense. And dislike Lea's for holding so fast to killing Red over the SK on day 2

I would easily agree with this if scum didn't get their odd kill powers back. A small scum team on the ropes would absolutely want to leash SK and just pray that the SK shots helped them out.

Though I find it odd that neither igcd or red flips give any mention about getting the odd kill back for any reason. Maybe the remaining scum specifically mentions getting an odd kill if they outlast the SK? But then scum would have been aware of SK from day 1.

A scum team that strong armed the tracker n1 and got lucky the cop was killed by SK?

Who were they supposed to block n1? Completely at random or the guy who claimed gift giver without any prompting?

And after two information roles die who were they supposed to block the remaining nights?

I've been trying to keep an open mind about knightz and consider him a possible scum, but I'm having trouble seeing it.

It just feels like he's the guy who gets kept alive so if scum ever reached mylo they can say "I know! X is scum, vote for them!" And he'll do it immediately without thinking it through.

@Obellisk what the hell is post 251?

Claim

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD

Your vibes pass the check, but I would like to know why you tried saving Red yesterday. My excuse is easy I suck at the end of games. You dont really have that excuse <_<

I didn't "try to save him". I put my vote on him and kept it there despite my reservations about how the day had played out.

I put red on my list of 3 day 2 because he felt off, but I found it strange that even as off as he seemed he was getting votes day 2 over the literally claimed SK.

And then found it strange that not only did that happen, but there was no effort to present an alternative day 3 until the very end of the day, long after red had become the presumptive lynch. And the splinters were only created by the two people who absolutely could not be scum.

I would not have pegged red as the kind of scum who would be cut loose without any attempt at counterplay.

Now that could speak to how comfortable the remaining scum(s) felt in terms of being perceived as town, but I'm really not sure.

Hell it was only me and Lea and knightz holding the red lynch down at the end. What was your excuse Death, Sbell and Ben?

:shrug:

I didn't know red was scum with 100% certainly so I did consider it.

Also thanks to Ulti and Corrik both starting splinter votes I had the option yesterday to swap to either Lea or Sbell and potentially save red, but I did not.

Here are the posts where I considered it:

Forceful_Dragon posted...

As 99.9% confirmed town you would support a Lea lynch before a Red lynch?

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

The fact that it's both Ulti and Corrik in Lea's direction is intriguing. Two voices that are more or less confirmed beyond reproach.

I don't especially have a good reason to lynch her outside of PoE though so staying the course on red seems fine.

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I could have just as easily said "screw it, something about the red train hasn't felt right, and I know you're and Corrik most be town so I'm going to throw in with them." But I did not.

htaeD posted...

Hm, Slink as a nilla I dont think is impossible (if thats what you are getting at FD)

I don't know that I would say "impossible", but atm I'm pressing X to doubt.

So you're saying that you're claim was 100% truthful? And if you change any aspect of it we should lynch you?

Enchantress posted...

Sbell first. He was last to claim, so probably scum.

Or you are waiting for his claim before adjusting your fake claim?

But you could just same time

Whether there are 1 or 2 scum left (and I tend to agree that it feels like 1 when you consider the early hammer and EK) it's time to put it all on the table.

Also I haven't been home in a few days so I'm still stuck updating my spreadsheet on mobile until tomorrow evening.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a2bc10f5.png

Still need sbells claim unless I missed it.

ItzKnightz posted...

I targeted Ulti

Were you roleblocked again?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Howdy howdy howdy

I gave my flavor hint in my first post (t1p76)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/976ae350.jpg

I am Mr. Shark, Town Vanilla

I also find Lea's vanilla claim to be questionable, but in a way that makes her more likely to be town? Lea, you should really claim for real if you aren't vanilla.

Leaving Sbell, or Death? Possibly Ben, but his solving the past couple days has felt good and not just because he feels better about me as a result of it.

KingButz posted...

That's some pig

That's Wilbur, not Babe!

Enchantress posted...

Plan B, secretly give me something totally tubular and use Death not being roleblocked as proof, but without actually giving him groovy duds

Secret anything would be an improvement over a fully announced plan.

You've already revealed what you believe the plan means. Unless red is exactly the roleblocker scum will have the option to block or to not block you.

I'm just saying you should not put stock in the results since you are not in control of what scum does at night. (Unless you are on the scum team)

I don't think that's what's happening at all.
Also scum can choose to not block you even if you said that you are targeting a member of town simply to create a false positive.

Once again revealing in advance what you plan to do at night is bad an easily manipulated by scum.

The fact that it's both Ulti and Corrik in Lea's direction is intriguing. Two voices that are more or less confirmed beyond reproach.

I don't especially have a good reason to lynch her outside of PoE though so staying the course on red seems fine.

Whoever has the most votes at deadline gets lynched even if it's less than 5. Barring a change of some kind red will get lynched anyways.

Corrik7 posted...

##unvote:
##vote: lea

As 99.9% confirmed town you would support a Lea lynch before a Red lynch?

Obellisk posted...

Well you guys can go about lynching red.

cheers.

If that's how you feel you may as well end it

I KNOW that I'm town so that's different.

It's odd to ME that no one suggested an alternative at any point until just recently, and I still haven't stood in the way of reds lynch in any meaningful way.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It's ONE vote. Relax.

.....I just unvoted?

Are you reading the game, bro?

Yeah, and yet you think the only person who was vocalizing why it felt off must be scum.

Also it feeling off doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong or that we don't stand to learn from the flip regardless.

But I would go along with a Ben lynch before a Lea lynch today.

But seriously Ulti, I'm the only one talking about how the red lynch feels off. It remind me of bloodborne when Lopen was the defacto lynch and I was the only one questioning it and explaining that aspects of it didn't feel right.

Somehow you take that to mean that if red flips town I must be scum?

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD needs to be lynched tomorrow and I can promise I'm targeting no one else. MZero's point on day one was correct in that FD is asking town to commit to a bad strategy, then doubling down on it. No thanks.

You are wrong

I was right

And except for Kirby I was the ONLY person who was right day 1.

We squandered a golden opportunity afforded to us by Corrik's shot and that's bottom line.

But hey keep sussing me, that only means scum is less likely to target me at night unless they think I'm the prot.

Scum so needs to kill extra confirmed Ulti as well.

That's why Chang was such an odd choice last night.

I guess they are still looking for the protection first

Leafeon13N posted...

There was a doublekill follow up. Hes confirmed.

I agree, but if the scum team didn't get the ability to kill on odd nights when the SK died then I could see a world where they are given 2 eks. Especially if town has a shot somewhere else (clothes?)

But that's really scraping the barrel, I'm fine leaving Corrik in the confirmed pile.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik had one shot. He is NOT confirmed town.

It would be nice if we knew what the clothes did. If there was a shot there it could be telling. But we know scum spent an EK (probably unlockable) on night 1 to kill Lopen, would they have that AND as day vig? I'd wager not and just give Corrik the credit for a great shot.

ItzKnightz posted...

why dont you at least claim alignment?

If he's town he's going to say town

If he's scum he's going to say town

What is the point? How will him saying the word "town" affect how you feel about him?

Anyways church is starting and I'm not sure how long before someone hammers. I think this is accurate to what we know.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/64e22569.png

Leafeon13N posted...

Not vibes was first town read. Still trust.

That will actually be helpful if you flip town.

PunishedBen posted...

We probably shouldn't have Sbell as so confirmed,

No, we shouldn't.

Ulti I agree with
Corrik I guess I agree with
Knightz I agree with, reluctantly

But to me that leaves red, you, Lea, sbell, death. If there really is no kill tonight then we have some time, but I'm not relying on that to be the case.

ItzKnightz posted...

If i am roleblocked, no one else can get roleblocked.

So?

Cop is dead
Tracker is dead

We might have a doctor or protecting role lurking somewhere, but a third scanning role seems unlikely. Maybe one of your clothing gifts is a single use scan of some kind? We'll probably never know. Other than the guilty cop scan on the SK, we got next to no town information this game.