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Obellisk posted...

why is the smartest play for scum to Kill 1 confirmed Town and Create another? Seems like a pretty stupid thing for scum to do.

Because they actually have no choice? Also because, for all his earnestness, Knightz is NOT a good mafia player (yet) and he is someone who scum would WANT to allow deeper into the game so he can follow them onto a game ending mislynch like a puppy who doesn't know any better.

Call it mean if you want, but at the moment at least it's true. And I'd love to see him improve and keep playing and progress in his journey as a mafia player. But right now? That's where he's at so it's another reason why I don't think scum would just target Knightz and allow the Claimed Bodyguard + Confirmed Mason Cop to both proceed.

Obellisk posted...

kill ulti, confirm knightz, leave ben as a mystery
kill ben, leave confirmed ulti, leave knightz as a mystery
kill knightz, leave ulti confirmed, leave ben a mystery.

All literally the same thing, you dolt.

not the same thing because it gives us TWO chances to lynch the roleblocker rather than 1 and a dead roleblocker means Ulti CAN NOT be killed the following night because the scum would either have to KILL BEN FIRST thus confirming him for us or shoot someone else and allow CONFIRMED Ulti into the final 3.

Scum wants to remove hard confirmed roles, and putting them in a scenario where they have to choose NOT to shoot ulti to keep Ben ambiguous is a good thing.

Granted I have no confidence in Ulti's ability to solve if he is allowed into the final 3, but hopefully we just lynch scum correctly BEFORE that point, which is something we might do regardless of the night action decision trees. Considering the possible night events is just a way to give us better odds in situations where we don't lynch scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Just lynch the blocker today with me.

IM TRYING TO FFS

Obellisk posted...

not a single scenario where they just kill Knightz.

That allows both the Mason Cop *AND* the claimed Bodyguard to survive an extra night? Yes please!

Because then they would be confirming knightz FOR us and allowing the confirmed Ulti through to the next day while simultaneously removing the guy that ulti keeps trying to mislynch.

I guess we could call that scenario 3 and title it "if the scum are idiots they might do this incredibly stupid thing".

ItzKnightz posted...

I like this scenario.

so do I, but we have to assume that the roleblocker survives and plan accordingly. But it would be great for us if they did not.

Oh, and there is an unlisted scenario 0 which we hope for but cannot count on in which the person we lynch (Death or Sbell) is the roleblocker. In which case not only do you survive a night but Knightz gets to distribute his swanky threads.

Do you need me to explain why YOU are a bad lynch as well? Or can you figure that one out?

Because he might be bodyguard.

And if he IS bodyguard then he is the only one who will allow our confirmed Mason Cop (YOU) to survive an extra day.

But whether he IS or IS NOT bodyguard the fact that he MIGHT be means that him being alive tonight will have a side effect of allowing Knightz effect to NOT be roleblocked so someone can actually CONFIRM THAT ITS A THING THAT EXISTS.

I already EXPLAINED THIS.

1a) Ben is bodyguard. Scum either has to kill him or allow him to protect you, and you survive. Knightz gets roleblocked again so we learn nothing about him, but you live an extra day making the day of 5 easier to solve.

1b) Ben is bodyguard. Scum ROLEBLOCKS Ben so they can kill you. Knightz is NOT roleblocked, this will allow someone to receive his damn clothes and push Knightz from the "probably town" to "definitely" town pile.

2) Ben is NOT bodyguard, he's scum. See 1b. Scum has to PRETEND to roleblock him so they can kill you. In this scenario Knightz is not roleblocked so again someone will be able to confirm to have received his groovy duds.

I already SAID all this and it is the logical truth of the situation.

The other thing to consider is Ben's play with Lea. We know scum has at MOST 2 people alive. If Ben is scum then Lea is 100% town. There is a chance that both are town, but there is a 0% chance that we don't have a bodyguard OR a bulletproof. So does a SCUM ben pull the "bulletproof counter" card to trade 1 for 1 with town BP Lea? I'd say probably not, which is something today that makes him more likely to be town.

And YEAH, that would mean he's also an idiot who decided not to use his bodyguard ability at any point, but there's been a lot of "idiot" going around so that's something I have to assume is possible.

Ulti if you get me mislynched today you will forever cement yourself as a player who cannot get it done at the end of a game.

I told you to stop telling power who to target because that makes it painfully easy for scum to make decisions. Notice how I didn't tell knightz who to target, only that he logically shouldn't target you tonight?

You're calling my "off" but I'm literally the only person who is ON.

And for the record I STILL think death is more likely to be scum than you are and would prefer to lynch him, but you aren't making a great case for yourself at the moment.

(Edit: swipe correction)

You wouldn't, but it's a weird thing to bring up now?

"Oh yeah? You want to vote me? Well I could have killed someone yesterday!"

Meanwhile I explained why my preference is to vote death first multiple times, but that PoE puts you second. That's not me being tilted, that's me reaching a conclusion after actually trying to extract information today.

And yeah, I spent a bit of time this game explaining the ways other people screwed up, that's something RED attacked me heavily for as well so I guess you're in good company? I think it's safe to say I would have done it much less if y'all hadn't made such egregious mistakes.

(Edit: swipe correction)

Then maybe you should have? That doesn't make ME scum though, weird vote

Don't mistake my position. Even though I personally believe death is the more likely scum, I have no way to be certain. I'll switch to Sbell if that is the collective decision.

I think the claw nonsense is not standard scum play from him, but I've been wrong before.

ItzKnightz posted...

Ulti, why do you want me lynched?
Don't give me a "why would red block him three times" excuse.

-_-

There are 7 alive so it takes 4 votes to end the day early with a lynch.

Ulti, we can all agree that you are confirmed town, right? And that scum will want to remove you from the equation so there can be less confirmed alive and they can play to their outs.

So then Ben is either bodyguard, or scum.

If he's bodyguard, he can draw the roleblock, so that scum can kill you.

If he's scum, scum can just kill you, but then they CAN'T roleblock Knightz tonight or else he will have to explain how you died on his watch.

With that in mind, even if you think there is a chance Knightz is scum, we are approaching a night where his role is going to have to do something. It stands to reason that he is a bad lynch today. Just like Ben is a bad lynch because his claimed role requires that he should either eat the RB or die protecting you.

So can you please give me a reason for wants to lynch Knightz that isn't simply "red would never block a clothing vendor 3 times". You still haven't explained who scum should have been trying to block after the Tracker and Cop both died.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80754007

The new topic

MOVE:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80754007

ItzKnightz posted...

Why is it that you keep trying to lynch me who is a confirmed town?

You are considered town by many for reason that I believe are "very good".

But you are not "confirmed" town. That has a completely different burden of proof required.

But the fact that you probably won't be roleblocked tonight (so Ben can be) should be reason enough for Ulti to look elsewhere today.

So just to be clear you are maintaining that super-busy red would "never allow" scum to roleblock the noob clothing vendor 3 nights in a row?

That they would either roleblock in the dark trying to hit something else?

Or that they don't have a roleblocker at all?

Or that they do have one and just never used it so scum Knightz could pretend to be roleblocked every night even though he probably doesn't even know what a roleblock is, and in fact didn't seem to understand why it was weird day 2 when ben claimed to receive clothes even though Knightz allegedly targeted Kirby?

Make it make sense, Ulti.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If he's really BP

BG*

But I digress.

I would need to hear something very compelling to put sbell before Death today, but I have to believe it should be one of them and then the other unless something wildly unexpected happens overnight.

If he's really BP then if it were up to me, Ben would be on time out for a few games and only allowed to roll vanilla. Dude can't be trusted to even use his own power.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bb66541c.png

at home PC finally! Regular color spreadsheet!

Thoughts:

Currently Knightz and Lea both have claims that don't use by-the-book mafia role names. Doesn't mean a whole lot but it's worth mentioning. Ken is also the only town toy introduced in Toy Story 3. Duke Caboom was Toy Story 4 along with only Forky, and the rest of the town roles were introduced in Toy Story 1. Hard to guess what would have been on the scum safelist, but there are a few notable toys missing. Rex, RC and Potato Head come to mind, also Bo Peep.

Does scum bypass those safelist options in favor of the nothingness that is Duke Caboom? Maybe. Or does scum choose a high profile safelist claim like Slink?

Lea did you give any hidden indication prior to today that you were slink and/or BP?

Without knowing if the clothes do anything it's difficult to say of Knightz role is redundant when compared to Town Messenger. If the clothes are really just "you received groovy clothes last night" then it would hard confirm Knightz, but it would be a second role that effectively only self-confirms.

I know for a fact that there are at least 2 Vanilla. If only 1 of Sbell/Death is scum then there are 3, and if neither are scum that would make 4/15 vanilla. That doesn't feel like a crazy high ratio either, but 3/15 also feels fine.

And those are the thoughts for now >_>

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



What??

Enchantress posted...

This is a joke.

Enchantress posted...

The humour comes from the dissonance between such an outlandish claim and the confirmed town mason reality.

Enchantress posted...

This is merely an attempt at levity based on a humourous flavour observation.

Enchantress posted...

I think over the course of this joke post

Some excerpts.

ItzKnightz posted...

she was trying to get Ulti lynched.

Did you READ her post? She was not.

Incidentally Knightz, as I mentioned earlier you should not reveal who you will target tonight, but I would say that it should not be Ulti.

If Ben is bodyguard then the only way Ulti dies tonight is with Ben getting roleblocked (or pretending to be roleblocked). Either way that means if your action is NOT roleblocked then there is a good chance Ulti was killed. So if you target him he won't be alive to confirm he received groovy clothes.

So don't say who, but also don't target Ulti.

ItzKnightz posted...

I was talking to this post and forgot to quote it

Why does that post make you want to vote for Lea?

She told a joke that she called a joke.

..equals burn her?

Lea and Ben are in a weird spot. One claimed bulletproof one claimed bodyguard. Both fulfill the role of somewhat weak protection or kill prevention. Personally I think they can both keep for today. There is no way they are BOTH lying so we know at least one of them must be town. The roles are also weak enough that it's POSSIBLE both are telling the truth. That is harder to determine.

But by the nature of his role Ben should either die at night or at least make it more difficult for confirmed-town Ulti to die.

Either way we stand to gain access to new information between them simply by waiting, which leaves me with death and Sbell. Sbell's "claw" routine is imo a departure from his typical scum play so I'd personally go with lynching death first between them, but I won't be sad if either of them is our lynch today.

But it cannot under any circumstances be Ulti and imo it shouldn't be either of Lea/Ben.

ItzKnightz posted...

##unvote
##vote: Lea
You raise good points.

ItzKnightz posted...

(as i said talking to Fd's last post)

What?

Enchantress posted...

Now this is a groovy tinfoil hat I can get behind. Knightz and his perplexing comments is one thing, but even Ulti ate the onion. After I'm mislynched y'all should consider finding the part in that giant wall where I scum case Sbell not truly trying to figure out the game tbh.

I saw it.

Pretty sure I'll be the only one.

I still say death before Sbell but I'd be flabbergasted if both were town.

ItzKnightz posted...

Or Ulti could be some other role but to role cops he pops up mason and town.

Masons do not exist by themselves.

We know Kirby was a mason.

Not a NEIGHBOR
a MASON

this guarantees that there is at least one other Mason in this game.

Not a NEIGHBOR
a MASON

a neighbor MIGHT be town
a mason IS WITHOUT A DOUBT town

Also Lea's message said it was a joke like five separate times. I'm starting to feel like the entire game is an exercise in lunacy to troll me specifically

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If the host contacted the sanctity

violated*
Dang swipe

ItzKnightz posted...

That is a lot to take in, but I trust you.
##unvote
##vote: Ulti

Do not vote Ulti.

He is a mason. If the host contacted the sanctity of Mason = Town then he does down in history as an all time worst host. Which is to say that for all his faults Ulti MUST be town. This is not debatable and Lea was making a joke.

Please stop changing your vote any time anyone says anything.

It's Ulti. I still wouldn't be surprised to learn that the ctes scan was a lie

Ostensibly it's for things like 'trespassing' or creating rule violating 'encampmemts'.

It also depends on if the Minecraft college servers are publicly or privately owned.

A privately owned Minecraft server doesn't have the same first amendment protections.

Columbia and NYU operate private servers, for example.

Sbell do you know off hand what your most recent scum games were?

I was salty that at the end of day 1 Ulti said I went afk to save myself. Nevermind that it was a busy work day, but the point when I left for my dentist appointment (which in fairness I didn't announce, but didn't think I needed to) I want even particularly in danger.

I was glad he had a guilty scan to report and was prepared to lunch whoever it was on because I knew it couldn't be me.

As explanations go I like it better than courage the cowardly bodyguard

Obellisk posted...

I didn't fuck up shit, so tone it down there buddy boy.

It was a collective "you all", which does include you, yes.

We don't know what the clothing does, it wouldn't necessarily be redundant with BP.

Hell Ken could essentially be a renamed weak prosty in that he'll be confirmed if anyone can acknowledge they received "groovy clothes" at night, even if they don't DO anything

Obellisk posted...

all the while he's had this annoyed edge to him all Game, almost like his teammate got rocked day 1 hour 1.

I'm annoyed that you all FUCKED UP the advantage we had from scum being killed hour 1. We had an EASY way to chill and NOT get our tracker killed for no reason night 1.

Hell scum probably doesn't bother using their EK strong-arm on night 1 without a claimed scanner so it would have changed literally everything.

So yeah, I'm annoyed because y'all are being annoying in decidedly anti town ways.

Obellisk posted...

pretty sure is death or fd.

I don't care the orser we lynch them.

And I know it's not me. My only question about you is whether you would have been doing The Claw nonsense as game as theater.

It's possible you pulled green aliens off the dagger list and committed to it early, and if you did, kudos, that's a very strong play to make.

But if it isn't death then I know it's not me so you become next most logical.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I dont think its Death.

I think it's one of him or Sbell. I'm more threatened by Death so I'd just as soon take him off the board first.

ItzKnightz posted...

Hey, they will probably just roleblock me again during the next night phase.

They can't Roleblock you and Ben at the same time so if they block you then Ben gets to bodyguard successfully.

Also there is a non-0% chance that we kill the roleblocker with a lynch. And either the game ends or scum team is larger than we thought but you both get to act at night without being blocked.

In a scenario where town has both BG and BP I'd guess that 4+1 vs 10 becomes possible again, so we may still be looking for 2 scum.

wallmasterz posted...

With your strongman ability, once per game you may perform an extra kill in addition to the teams even night kills. You may use the kill on any night, odd or even, and no power exists in the game to stop you.

You would not have been able to bodyguard Lopen even if you had correctly done so n1 is how I read Red's flip.

But you still should have tried and you should have targeted Ulti or Corrik on 2/3.

These are not opinions, you objectively and factually should have been attempting to use your damn role.

Whatever I'm gonna put my vote down and get back to work.

##Vote: Death

Death > Sbell > Ben (if he's somehow still alive) > Lea

PunishedBen posted...

Before you get pissed, consider this.

My plan was to position myself as a mislynch that scum needs and use it as close to end game as possible, preferably before final 4 or 3 even, and hopefully secure victory. I WISH I had saved Kirby, but I did not know that his role was as important as it was on night 1. Since that failure to commit night 1, I've been so embarrassed I've just been not using it until the moment is right.

Y'all are too busy trying to make a legendary play that you fail to make a GOOD one and we're worse off for it.

I would say death today and Sbell tomorrow. Hopefully you die at night, if not Ulti's confirmed self becomes awkward for scum to deal with. Scum can't block you (to kill Ulti) and Knightz so even if death isn't RBer, something would happen.

Knightz: Do NOT reveal who you will target tonight. Make it harder for scum to make good decisions.

Obellisk posted...

FDs Campaign of Principal this game continues i see.

Getting angry over game mechanics alot this time around FD, are you masking something with that?

I'm not masking anything. I am completely open about how upset it makes me when people do objectively awful things.

PunishedBen posted...

And no I did not attempt to bodyguard anyone each night so far. Very selfish of me I know. Was always planning to claim vanilla and hold my ability unless i was in the mislynch pool, then id have used it at the last possible night to take myself out and help town solve the game. I will use it tonight and die if no one believes me.

.

You deserve to be lynched in this is true

I don't care how much you value being alive at end game. Ulti has been 100% confirmed town Mason since day 2 began and Corrik has been 99.92% confirmed town vig since he shot godfather and we found out about SK.

It is your fucking duty to put a block on confirmed town that scum NEEDS to kill so your unconfirmed ass dies instead.

BUT if you are telling the truth then it theoretically means Ulti should survive tonight, but I'm legitimately pissed off

PunishedBen posted...

I'm actually BODYGUARD

Actions, gogo

Obellisk posted...

well this is awkward.

Little Green Men, Town Bulletproof Bodyguard

Really?

Attack dog, with built in forcefield!

This quote is why I had trouble buying Slink as vanilla. I would have guessed bodyguard, tbh, so bp is not my favorite way for that to play out. I would have preferred you committing to it before waiting for all the other claims to come forward.

Hmm...